Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Meager1]

I wasn`t going to mention this, or talk about it at all, but at the moment I think I should, so I`m going to post this right now before I change my mind.

I had a "different" sort of experience after the prayer of the soul two nights ago too.

While saying it, I felt such a strong sensation of love/concern, for everything that is and to express this, I said in my mind, "a kiss for the universe" it was sincere, spontaneous and from the heart.

There was an intense whole body warmth and an instantaneous flowing of hot tears but I was not crying!

My eyes were flowing like a faucet, but I was NOT crying, and believe me I know crying and that wasn`t it, it was the strangest thing, but in a good way.

Afterward, when the flowing had stopped I felt more totally relaxed and refreshed then I have felt in years!

The next morning I went out to the duck pen to find both of my doves had been killed by a hawk.
The hawk had torn through the wire netting over the pen and got both doves, the ducks were cowering in their little house terrified, because they all had witnessed the attack.

I know I probably shouldn't`t feel this way, but it kinda seemed like retribution or punishment of some kind, for that intense connection I had felt to the universe the night before.

Jeez, the doves being killed just struck me as so symbolic and their death like some sick kind of warning to avoid those feelings I had the night before.

I am probably over reacting I know, but I am still upset about the doves, I have had them for almost 10 years I think, and we took such care to totally enclose the pen in wire so nothing could get in.
They loved being free to fly around out there and nothing had ever bothered them before this..

It just feels like something very "icky" was behind the killing of those doves, and the small ducks were all untouched..

 

[Seamus]

I wasn`t going to mention this, or talk about it at all, but at the moment I think I should, so I`m going to post this right now before I change my mind.

I had a "different" sort of experience after the prayer of the soul two nights ago too.

While saying it, I felt such a strong sensation of love/concern, for everything that is and to express this, I said in my mind, "a kiss for the universe" it was sincere, spontaneous and from the heart.

There was an intense whole body warmth and an instantaneous flowing of hot tears but I was not crying!

My eyes were flowing like a faucet, but I was NOT crying, and believe me I know crying and that wasn`t it, it was the strangest thing, but in a good way.

Afterward, when the flowing had stopped I felt more totally relaxed and refreshed then I have felt in years!

The next morning I went out to the duck pen to find both of my doves had been killed by a hawk.
The hawk had torn through the wire netting over the pen and got both doves, the ducks were cowering in their little house terrified, because they all had witnessed the attack.

I know I probably shouldn't`t feel this way, but it kinda seemed like retribution or punishment of some kind, for that intense connection I had felt to the universe the night before.

Jeez, the doves being killed just struck me as so symbolic and their death like some sick kind of warning to avoid those feelings I had the night before.

I am probably over reacting I know, but I am still upset about the doves, I have had them for almost 10 years I think, and we took such care to totally enclose the pen in wire so nothing could get in.
They loved being free to fly around out there and nothing had ever bothered them before this..

It just feels like something very "icky" was behind the killing of those doves, and the small ducks were all untouched..

Hi Meager1,

I'm so sorry to hear about your doves, it is difficult to lose friends. :( My thoughts go out to you and to them.

 

[Graalsword]

I have been noticing cycles in emotional release, as well as realizations. I've had cycles of a lot of weeping, anger release, and other feelings, and cycles that are more quiet, with less emotional intensity.

I have also noticed a change in the perception of time, did anybody feel anything similar? I mean, during POTS, I 've had a few occations when I felt the perception of change in speed of Laura's voice, even though the Prayer Of The Soul goes in the same speed from beginning to the end.

A couple of weeks ago, the happened something strange, I have no idea what was that, I felt the presence of a woman's voice saying "all the good for you" .. and then something that is very humorous: out of nothing came to mind the words "Kaluza Klein".. I laugh a lot when I remember this, because it has no sense at all, the only I know about the guy is from Ark's questions in old C's sessions, and nothing else-.

I wasn`t going to mention this, or talk about it at all, but at the moment I think I should, so I`m going to post this right now before I change my mind.

I had a "different" sort of experience after the prayer of the soul two nights ago too.

While saying it, I felt such a strong sensation of love/concern, for everything that is and to express this, I said in my mind, "a kiss for the universe" it was sincere, spontaneous and from the heart.

There was an intense whole body warmth and an instantaneous flowing of hot tears but I was not crying!

My eyes were flowing like a faucet, but I was NOT crying, and believe me I know crying and that wasn`t it, it was the strangest thing, but in a good way.

Afterward, when the flowing had stopped I felt more totally relaxed and refreshed then I have felt in years!

The next morning I went out to the duck pen to find both of my doves had been killed by a hawk.
The hawk had torn through the wire netting over the pen and got both doves, the ducks were cowering in their little house terrified, because they all had witnessed the attack.

I know I probably shouldn't`t feel this way, but it kinda seemed like retribution or punishment of some kind, for that intense connection I had felt to the universe the night before.

Jeez, the doves being killed just struck me as so symbolic and their death like some sick kind of warning to avoid those feelings I had the night before.

I am probably over reacting I know, but I am still upset about the doves, I have had them for almost 10 years I think, and we took such care to totally enclose the pen in wire so nothing could get in.
They loved being free to fly around out there and nothing had ever bothered them before this..

It just feels like something very "icky" was behind the killing of those doves, and the small ducks were all untouched..

I'm sorry for that. My hugs for you, I share your feelings, it is hard and painful to loose life companions like pets.

Regarding your interpretation of the fact, there could be some symbolism.

 

[Aiming]

I wasn`t going to mention this, or talk about it at all, but at the moment I think I should, so I`m going to post this right now before I change my mind.

I had a "different" sort of experience after the prayer of the soul two nights ago too.

While saying it, I felt such a strong sensation of love/concern, for everything that is and to express this, I said in my mind, "a kiss for the universe" it was sincere, spontaneous and from the heart.

There was an intense whole body warmth and an instantaneous flowing of hot tears but I was not crying!

My eyes were flowing like a faucet, but I was NOT crying, and believe me I know crying and that wasn`t it, it was the strangest thing, but in a good way.

Afterward, when the flowing had stopped I felt more totally relaxed and refreshed then I have felt in years!

The next morning I went out to the duck pen to find both of my doves had been killed by a hawk.
The hawk had torn through the wire netting over the pen and got both doves, the ducks were cowering in their little house terrified, because they all had witnessed the attack.

I know I probably shouldn't`t feel this way, but it kinda seemed like retribution or punishment of some kind, for that intense connection I had felt to the universe the night before.

Jeez, the doves being killed just struck me as so symbolic and their death like some sick kind of warning to avoid those feelings I had the night before.

I am probably over reacting I know, but I am still upset about the doves, I have had them for almost 10 years I think, and we took such care to totally enclose the pen in wire so nothing could get in.
They loved being free to fly around out there and nothing had ever bothered them before this..

It just feels like something very "icky" was behind the killing of those doves, and the small ducks were all untouched..

I'm sorry for that. My hugs for you, I share your feelings, it is hard and painful to loose life companions like pets.

Regarding your interpretation of the fact, there could be some symbolism.

I second that, Meager1, I'm really sorry for what has happened to your two dove companions. Just in case, taking it as symbolism to watch out for yourself and be attentive always, seems a wise move. Take care!

I have been noticing cycles in emotional release, as well as realizations. I've had cycles of a lot of weeping, anger release, and other feelings, and cycles that are more quiet, with less emotional intensity.

Sounds like a lot is happening with you, Graalsword! :)

I have also noticed a change in the perception of time, did anybody feel anything similar? I mean, during POTS, I 've had a few occations when I felt the perception of change in speed of Laura's voice, even though the Prayer Of The Soul goes in the same speed from beginning to the end.

I've felt a change in perception of time generally, but not in the way you describe it. The 'feel' time has to me now is as if it is (this is hard to explain) something floating, yet not really there... as if there wasn't time at all, but rather, that the whole time procession is a whole. Ok, I better stop, I'm not making much sense.

A couple of weeks ago, the happened something strange, I have no idea what was that, I felt the presence of a woman's voice saying "all the good for you" .. and then something that is very humorous: out of nothing came to mind the words "Kaluza Klein".. I laugh a lot when I remember this, because it has no sense at all, the only I know about the guy is from Ark's questions in old C's sessions, and nothing else-.

Maybe that's some call to deal with Kaluza Klein more closely, that is, learn about him/his work?

 

[Keit]

I know I probably shouldn't`t feel this way, but it kinda seemed like retribution or punishment of some kind, for that intense connection I had felt to the universe the night before.

Jeez, the doves being killed just struck me as so symbolic and their death like some sick kind of warning to avoid those feelings I had the night before.

Another possibility is, that what ever happened during your last session freed some energy to be manifested as a symbolic warning or a reminder from the Universe to pay attention to what is yet lurking in the background (and is potentially dangerous) and still has to be uncovered or dealt with. And maybe it's just a coincidence. Perhaps in such situations it is best to use what ever interpretation will assist you further in the path instead of hindering you or putting you in a state of useless fear. But yeah, paying more attention is always the best! Also, sorry to hear about the birds.

I have also noticed a change in the perception of time, did anybody feel anything similar? I mean, during POTS, I 've had a few occations when I felt the perception of change in speed of Laura's voice, even though the Prayer Of The Soul goes in the same speed from beginning to the end.

Haven't noticed any changes in the perception of time, beside the times when I think I am zoning out, and the interval between prayer's words is longer. Perhaps that's what you are referring to? Also recently, noticed something weird with the recording of Laura's voice on my ipod. Maybe it's just a technical glitch, or my headphones are acting funny (haven't noticed it while listening to songs, on the other hand, I am not listening to them so intently as to the prayer), but it sounds as if Laura's voice got an echo or second layer. As if someone else (or it's the same voice) saying the same words and at the same time.

 

[StrangeCaptain]

It just feels like something very "icky" was behind the killing of those doves, and the small ducks were all untouched..

I can't offer any interpretations or advice except to keep your eyes open. However, I would like to point out that the Siberian shamans in their intiatory experiences had dreams of being dismembered and flayed.

In other words, if you go deep into POTS, then the manifestations can be rather weird and even seem violent. I am not trying to minimize such an experience but simply to say the journey was not always gentle for those who came before us. They encountered similar signposts on their way.

 

[Ben]

I wasn`t going to mention this, or talk about it at all, but at the moment I think I should, so I`m going to post this right now before I change my mind.

I had a "different" sort of experience after the prayer of the soul two nights ago too.

While saying it, I felt such a strong sensation of love/concern, for everything that is and to express this, I said in my mind, "a kiss for the universe" it was sincere, spontaneous and from the heart.

There was an intense whole body warmth and an instantaneous flowing of hot tears but I was not crying!

My eyes were flowing like a faucet, but I was NOT crying, and believe me I know crying and that wasn`t it, it was the strangest thing, but in a good way.

Afterward, when the flowing had stopped I felt more totally relaxed and refreshed then I have felt in years!

The next morning I went out to the duck pen to find both of my doves had been killed by a hawk.
The hawk had torn through the wire netting over the pen and got both doves, the ducks were cowering in their little house terrified, because they all had witnessed the attack.

I know I probably shouldn't`t feel this way, but it kinda seemed like retribution or punishment of some kind, for that intense connection I had felt to the universe the night before.

Jeez, the doves being killed just struck me as so symbolic and their death like some sick kind of warning to avoid those feelings I had the night before.

I am probably over reacting I know, but I am still upset about the doves, I have had them for almost 10 years I think, and we took such care to totally enclose the pen in wire so nothing could get in.
They loved being free to fly around out there and nothing had ever bothered them before this..

It just feels like something very "icky" was behind the killing of those doves, and the small ducks were all untouched..

If there is a symbolism behind this event many people would think of the symbol of peace that the dove represents. In the specific situation, however, perhaps it is a reminder of the side of the universe (which you had felt connected to as a whole) which threatens you at THIS level of reality. In other words the doves which meant a lot to you and represented something vulnerable and precious were preyed upon just as we can be preyed upon if we fail to take into account the duality of the universe as we experience it. This is just an interpretation which I think I would make had this happened to me, but just like with dreams you are the one in the best position to interpret it. I might be way off. Either way I am sorry for the loss of your friends the doves :(

 

[shijing]

I know I probably shouldn't`t feel this way, but it kinda seemed like retribution or punishment of some kind, for that intense connection I had felt to the universe the night before.

Jeez, the doves being killed just struck me as so symbolic and their death like some sick kind of warning to avoid those feelings I had the night before.

Another possibility is, that what ever happened during your last session freed some energy to be manifested as a symbolic warning or a reminder from the Universe to pay attention to what is yet lurking in the background (and is potentially dangerous) and still has to be uncovered or dealt with. And maybe it's just a coincidence. Perhaps in such situations it is best to use what ever interpretation will assist you further in the path instead of hindering you or putting you in a state of useless fear. But yeah, paying more attention is always the best! Also, sorry to hear about the birds.

I had a similar feeling about this as Keit. The thing is, there have been other forum members who have described similar experiences during E/E, and it seems to be a generally positive thing. If there was any connection between the two events, it doesn't seem like the backlash would have come from the Universe -- but it could come from some lower source that didn't like the fact that you made this kind of connection during POTS. It could have also been coincidence, or as Keit suggests, a freeing of energy that allowed a symbolic warning about something else. So yes (and I'm also sorry to hear about the birds), it seems like it is a good suggestion to remove your focus from the feelings of fear and punishment, and shift it onto keeping your eyes open in case it was some kind of a warning.

 

[Beorn]

Also recently, noticed something weird with the recording of Laura's voice on my ipod. Maybe it's just a technical glitch, or my headphones are acting funny (haven't noticed it while listening to songs, on the other hand, I am not listening to them so intently as to the prayer), but it sounds as if Laura's voice got an echo or second layer. As if someone else (or it's the same voice) saying the same words and at the same time.

I'm pretty sure this is the way the Prayer was designed. The C's say they are able to insert their own frequency modulation between the layers of sound.

[quote author=Session 13 September 2009]
Q: (L) Now, Allen acquired some interesting software. (Allen) The choir software. (L) Yes. And we had the idea of making some just regular meditation audios where I could recite the prayer and maybe sing it, or even sing some other songs and he could manipulate them with this software to make it melodic and meditation-worthy type music. So, we were wondering if this was something that was a good idea?

A: Oh definitely!!! In fact, that is a superb way for truly cosmic frequencies to be transmitted via your/our voice!!

Q: (DD) So long as it's not Patsy Kline tunes! (laughter) (L) But I wanted to channel Patsy Kline!!! (Allen) I was actually wondering if my multiplying your voice several times would actual multiply whatever it was they were putting through your voice that many times?

A: Not only that, it will enable us to insert frequency modulation directly between the layers of sound. Why don't you play a sample now?[/quote]

 

[Meager1]

It could have also been coincidence, or as Keit suggests, a freeing of energy that allowed a symbolic warning about something else.

Thanks to everyone for the responses.

Something is different then it was before. I`ll try to explain though I`m not sure yet what changed or what to call it. Normally, or normally for me that is, I would still be crying over those doves. Yet I`m not.
In fact I haven`t cried at all, which I find kind of odd too.

I feel bad and I miss them, but I`m feeling differently about it then I would have before.

There is some firmness (?) not a hardening, but some new kind of strength, like a resolve or something like that. Hard to describe really.

I am still feeling particularly relaxed and refreshed since the other night, and even kind of surprised that the feeling has lasted this long. Yet along with it, there is a "firmness" inside that I have never felt before, if that makes any sense.

I have to believe that this new feeling is the result of the POTS from that night, though it is more likely a combination of many factors including the diet and the N-Acetyl Tyrosine and 5-HTP that Gabby recommended. Whatever the cause, I am grateful.

I kinda feel like I could handle anything without breaking down and crying all over the place! Sure hope it sticks..

 

[Graalsword]

I have been noticing cycles in emotional release, as well as realizations. I've had cycles of a lot of weeping, anger release, and other feelings, and cycles that are more quiet, with less emotional intensity.

Sounds like a lot is happening with you, Graalsword! :)

I have also noticed a change in the perception of time, did anybody feel anything similar? I mean, during POTS, I 've had a few occations when I felt the perception of change in speed of Laura's voice, even though the Prayer Of The Soul goes in the same speed from beginning to the end.

I've felt a change in perception of time generally, but not in the way you describe it. The 'feel' time has to me now is as if it is (this is hard to explain) something floating, yet not really there... as if there wasn't time at all, but rather, that the whole time procession is a whole. Ok, I better stop, I'm not making much sense.

No, what you say is ok!, I understand what you mean. In fact, the no time 'feel' could be sense even in other situations, but it is hard to explain.

A couple of weeks ago, the happened something strange, I have no idea what was that, I felt the presence of a woman's voice saying "all the good for you" .. and then something that is very humorous: out of nothing came to mind the words "Kaluza Klein".. I laugh a lot when I remember this, because it has no sense at all, the only I know about the guy is from Ark's questions in old C's sessions, and nothing else-.

Maybe that's some call to deal with Kaluza Klein more closely, that is, learn about him/his work?

If there is a symbolism behind this event many people would think of the symbol of peace that the dove represents. In the specific situation, however, perhaps it is a reminder of the side of the universe (which you had felt connected to as a whole) which threatens you at THIS level of reality. In other words the doves which meant a lot to you and represented something vulnerable and precious were preyed upon just as we can be preyed upon if we fail to take into account the duality of the universe as we experience it. This is just an interpretation which I think I would make had this happened to me, but just like with dreams you are the one in the best position to interpret it. I might be way off. Either way I am sorry for the loss of your friends the doves :(

I agree, it could be something like that, I didn't dare say more about what I thought about the meaning, Meager1, as I thought you were very sensitive and feeling bad for your loss, but now that others went further, I think that maybe doves represent things that you hold dearly inside you, maybe illusions, maybe not, without being vigilant of predation and dangers, both from 'earthly' sources as well as hyperdimensional predators. But it is just a thought, it might be something else too.

 

[herondancer]

A couple of weeks ago, the happened something strange, I have no idea what was that, I felt the presence of a woman's voice saying "all the good for you" .. and then something that is very humorous: out of nothing came to mind the words "Kaluza Klein".. I laugh a lot when I remember this, because it has no sense at all, the only I know about the guy is from Ark's questions in old C's sessions, and nothing else-.

Hi Graalsword,

Wikipedia has this to say about Kaluza Klein

In physics, Kaluza–Klein theory (KK theory) is a model that seeks to unify the two fundamental forces of gravitation and electromagnetism. The theory was first published in 1921. It was proposed by the mathematician Theodor Kaluza who extended general relativity to a five-dimensional spacetime. The resulting equations can be separated into further sets of equations, one of which is equivalent to Einstein field equations, another set equivalent to Maxwell's equations for the electromagnetic field and the final part an extra scalar field now termed the "radion".

After that, get your physics on because it's charts and equations! Is it a field you are interested in?

Meager1, I'm sorry to hear about your beloved doves. I have had birds as companions too, and know how attached you can get to them. This must be showing you something important. Despite your efforts, there was a way in to their protected space. Did your doves symbolize something to you that needs more attention and protection? If nothing else, they've shown you how far you have come in your growth. Being able to keep your emotional balance in the face of your loss is a great thing. You'll only get stronger as you continue your EE practice.

 

[Aiming]

Another short update:

I've recently remembered what truth seeker shared a while ago -- that she's been telling DCM something along the lines of: "As this is a free will universe, I hereby allow you, DCM, to help me". (I'd be glad to know in case my memory of what you wrote back then is incomplete, truth seeker.)

When I read about it back then, I did say it a few times, but after a while forgot about it again. So, I've taken up saying it again, and what has been happening recently during POTS were those 'violent' twitches other members have mentioned already -- I never had them before. Yesterday when being in a state of zoning I was seeing images, don't recall most of them; but once, what I saw were some type of balls, two of them, and there was a movement from left to right and back again, and that's when one of these twitches happened, bolting me awake from my zoning state and I was wondering what on earth could be the reason/effect for/of these twitches. Also, they seem to be pointed towards my back/spine. Not quite sure yet, need to observe more.

Another thing since starting to "allow DCM to help me" was suddenly seeing lights. Never seen lights before! Although, really, it's nothing of the magnitude others have described here. The first time I saw lights (during Pipe Breathing) a program popped up of expectation: "Whoo, now something real big is going to happen!". You wouldn't guess -- lol -- the moment the program was stronger than me, the lights vanished again.

 

[truth seeker]

I've recently remembered what truth seeker shared a while ago -- that she's been telling DCM something along the lines of: "As this is a free will universe, I hereby allow you, DCM, to help me". (I'd be glad to know in case my memory of what you wrote back then is incomplete, truth seeker.)

It was probably something more like "if you need my permission with anything, you have it" but I was still going through a period of confusion at that time. I apologize for that. After reading a few more posts on the subject, I decided to drop it because DCM I think would already know what is best and whether or not it has our permission. Now, I don't add anything to it as what I "think" is best and what may be best might be two completely different things. Everything happens as it should when we trust and let things flow organically. :)

Another good reason for not doing it lies with what you stated which is that we can come to expect something "more". That places the focus on getting which is sts.

 

[Aiming]

Everything happens as it should when we trust and let things flow organically. :)

Another good reason for not doing it lies with what you stated which is that we can come to expect something "more". That places the focus on getting which is sts.

Thanks for the clarification, truth seeker!

It's true: when looking closer I can see that it was simply the sneaking-in of that part that's out for gain, experience-seeking, faster results - this thing is pretty tricky.

I'll drop saying this to DCM again.