Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

In the last EE session I was also weepy, but not in the beatha. During the beatha I had anger and wrath, so I hit a pillow. (at that point I felt like reducing the beatha portion, but I felt like doing some extra slow beatha, while reducing the mid and fast beatha).
However it was in the POTS and meditation that I had a mild weeping, although in the former one (monday) I cried much more. It is rare, but it came to mind while thinking about Divine Cosmic Mind, the image of the light that many people claimed to have seen in near death experiences, and I also thought about those who have died and how our physical life is so transitory, that souls are the real thing, that that is what matters, and how many times one get mad at a lot of little things forgetting that life is so enormously big, that physical life is just a grain of sand in the beach. I imagined all those people I knew and dies, how they must have felt after dying, the relief and oneness they must have experienced when realizing that they were going back home, seeing that the life of the soul is the eternal and it is what matters inspite of the dramas we create in this material realm.

Well, maybe I'm loosing a few screws... But that is what came to mind in the last two times I did complete EE this week.

Violet or purple, yellow, golden, green, white and blue lights predominate.
 
I had a dream/vision this past week, in the space between waking and sleeping after POTS that I thought was worth reporting.

In the dream I found myself in a moving vehicle, in the back seat of a car I think (symbolic of the depths of my psyche?). I was overwhelmed by grief and sorrow, barely holding back tears. A voice spoke to me, my voice. I/he asked me why I was sad, and told me that it was alright to cry. I began to sob uncontrollably and told him that I was sad that JFK was murdered, like so many others. I felt despair, hopelessness. My voice spoke again and said something like "your unwillingness to accept your basic duality is causing you much pain and suffering". This comforted me in my dream and I continued to cry, but the "flavor" changed from despair to relief. When I awoke my eyes were dry, and I felt no emotional reaction to the dream.

I interpreted this experience as change and healing happening on a deep, unconscious level. I considered the comment about duality and I think it could mean a couple of things. First of all it could mean that although I have read about the dual nature of mechanical man, I have been unwilling/unable to accept it in practice. I have been telling myself that I am trying to "work" without observing and accepting this fact on a basic level. What I have really been doing is trying to "improve" or "fix" myself, basically tightening the screws and making my situation worse. Another meaning that occurred to me has to do with the idea that one can feel more than one emotion at the same time. Instead of identifying with one emotion, ie. "I am sad," I can say that "I feel sad, and also relieved by the release, and grateful that I am alive."

I experimented with these ideas while meditating this week. Several times I was nearly overwhelmed by a deep sense of loss, sorrow and grief. I felt fear, contempt, judgmental, relieved, important, special, chastised. Round and round and round. Since I had the dream however, the "flavor" feels a little different. I feel a little bit more open to my experience. These thoughts and feelings are not me. They served a purpose. They protected me. I am grateful, and I am relieved that I can let go, even if its just a little bit.
 
Seamas said:
In the dream I found myself in a moving vehicle, in the back seat of a car I think (symbolic of the depths of my psyche?). I was overwhelmed by grief and sorrow, barely holding back tears. A voice spoke to me, my voice. I/he asked me why I was sad, and told me that it was alright to cry. I began to sob uncontrollably and told him that I was sad that JFK was murdered, like so many others. I felt despair, hopelessness. My voice spoke again and said something like "your unwillingness to accept your basic duality is causing you much pain and suffering". This comforted me in my dream and I continued to cry, but the "flavor" changed from despair to relief. When I awoke my eyes were dry, and I felt no emotional reaction to the dream.

Thanks for sharing Seamas. I find that very interesting. Makes me go 'Hmmm...'. Somehow I think I too need to accept my basic duality. And I suspect it might be related to this post by Psyche - at least in my case. I've got to think about this.
 
For the recent several nights during meditation I have been remembering a time when I was very small, maybe around 8? We live in a very hot place, and we went outside to get in the car to find that there was a dead cat in the back seat. I didn't feel much at the time. I tried to touch it, but it's claws were up in the air and that scared me. I told my mother there was a cat back there and she looked, and I think I only realized it was dead after my brother said so, and we verified it. I don't remember much about the cat. It may have been our cat, or a neighbor's cat, or a stray cat. I think it was either a stray or it was our cat. But I seem to remember, I think the previous day, I opened the car door and a cat jumped in. I couldn't get the cat out because it wouldn't let me touch it. So shut the door, and looked in for a while, thinking it would let me let it out when it realized it was trapped. It got frantic and started looking around, so I opened the door. But it still wouldn't come out. So then I shut the door and left, angry at the cat, figuring that was it's punishment for being stupid, or something along those lines.

Well, being 8 years old, I must have forgotten about it until the next day. It was hot, and the car gets really hot inside. The cat must have died of dehydration and/or heat stroke. And if that is really what led to the memory of the dead cat, then I must have had forgotten by the next day. I didn't think of feeling sorry, or what the cat may have gone through, until my mother mentioned the "poor cat". And the the gears started turning, and I think "I'm supposed to feel sorry about this, right?". So I try to feel sorry, and I remember it was odd to not feel much, just shock. There was no crying or strong emotions, just a constant low recognition of sadness, and when everything else was quiet, there was this dim sadness, seeming to want to bubble up and release, but never quite able to. But the sadness didn't seem to be directly associated with the cat, more it seemed to be a dark cloud overhead which never rained, but always cast a shadow. It's as if the cat event shocked me and unburied and old tomb.

I seemed to recognize at the time that my actions leading to the death were entirely the process of my normal self; I was not any different when I shut the car door from how I was at any other time. It seemed to shock me that my selfishness was powerful enough to cause me to kill a cat. I don't remember talking about this to anyone, because firstly I didn't know how or what to say, and secondly I was afraid of what would happen to me if I did.

The big question that seemed to occupy my mundane life at the time was whether to be selfish or considerate. Depending on my mood at the time, I could choose to be angry and self-important, or to be considerate. The future was open either way because my actions didn't have much of a direct effect on my life. It didn't matter much, and so I didn't have a vested interest in either action. So at the time of choosing it was a very clear choice. To an extent it depended on my mood at the time, but the choice never occurred automatically. It was always made consciously. I wonder what happened to change this. I'm guessing some sort of cognitive decline having to do with stress, mostly of school (I was very troubled and troublesome in school), and maybe food. It crossed my mind to simply leave the car door open and come back later when the cat was gone, but I made a conscious choice at the time to appeal to my ego. The difference is this time, it had profound consequences.

Going into school I had a very potent battleground to test my actions out on. I never made a strong choice between selfishness or consideration, because I found that when I was considerate, I was always taken advantage of, and when I was selfish, I felt bad and and wanted to be good for my friends (although the idea seemed to be lost on them).

The great vast majority of strong memories I have are of other people hurting me, for their own amusement or gain or angry self-importance in whatever way. I remember very few times when I deliberately hurt someone else out of either selfishness or just for "fun", and if I did I always felt bad for it (but strangely enough, the feeling was always a subtle discomfort, never overpowering, just enough to make me uncomfortable).

I am not very old, only 17, so not old enough to have a lot of really bad experiences I guess. Most important events in my life I have given the same treatment. There never seemed to be enough evidence to support a specific way of living, and in different situations the rules always changed. The right action was by far not as clear as the adults seemed to want me to think. I always felt spite, as I wanted to live the way I wanted to and the adults always seemed to do more damage than good to my life, as far as I could see. Their solutions were always more complex than my own, but never seemed to be any more complete as an actual solution. Just ways of getting by the hard parts of the moment, even though nothing was actually solved. This caused endless arguments between me and elders, because I never believed what they were telling me, but at the same time I couldn't describe to them why. Sure I could do things their way, but it never seemed to achieve practical results in my interpretation; the proof was not in the pudding.

This memory seems to be coming in endless variations. I don't know how much of it is real and how much of it is modified after the fact, after thinking about it occasionally over the years and imagining what I might have done to change what happened.
 
Windmill knight said:
Seamas said:
In the dream I found myself in a moving vehicle, in the back seat of a car I think (symbolic of the depths of my psyche?). I was overwhelmed by grief and sorrow, barely holding back tears. A voice spoke to me, my voice. I/he asked me why I was sad, and told me that it was alright to cry. I began to sob uncontrollably and told him that I was sad that JFK was murdered, like so many others. I felt despair, hopelessness. My voice spoke again and said something like "your unwillingness to accept your basic duality is causing you much pain and suffering". This comforted me in my dream and I continued to cry, but the "flavor" changed from despair to relief. When I awoke my eyes were dry, and I felt no emotional reaction to the dream.

Thanks for sharing Seamas. I find that very interesting. Makes me go 'Hmmm...'. Somehow I think I too need to accept my basic duality. And I suspect it might be related to this post by Psyche - at least in my case. I've got to think about this.


Thanks for the link Windmill Knight, this is not something I would have considered. I suspect that this may be a factor for me as well. Definitely need to dig deeper :)
 
Today, I was while doing the slow breathing exercises
(6-2-9-2), then moved into pipe breaths (ba-ha), I
noticed a surge of some kind of energy in my brain/
mind. It felt like some sort of a mild euphoria. Somehow,
that feeling reminded me of my past experiences with
the onset of vertigo, but without the persistent nausea.

I thought about this for a bit and was reminded of the
dervishes, spinning CCW for 33 revolutions and at the
end of the cycle, caused me to go into a vertigo state
with nausea that took a long time to go away. I was
forced to lie down and to take a nap.

I wondered what would happen, if I tried doing the
breathing exercise while spinning 33 CCW revolutions in
a chair, simultaneously doing the slow/fast breaths during
the spin and at the end of the spin, continue with the slow
breaths as if to unwind the effects of vertigo/nausea.

Having tried this, the experience seemed to work better. My
mind felt very, very clear, as if energized in some way even
though the nausea seemed a bit milder, but more manageable.
 
Hi dant,

dant said:
Today, I was while doing the slow breathing exercises
(6-2-9-2), then moved into pipe breaths (ba-ha), I
noticed a surge of some kind of energy in my brain/
mind. It felt like some sort of a mild euphoria. Somehow,
that feeling reminded me of my past experiences with
the onset of vertigo, but without the persistent nausea.

Are you using the audio recording (Lauras voice) for ÉE?
Maybe it's a writing error, but the ba-ha part is without the constriction, normal deep belly breathing (in through the nose, out through the mouth).
 
Yes, I am using the transcripts - I searched for the "baa/haa"
in the pipe breathing but could not find it. I thought I read
it somewhere in the forum that it was was what is sounded
like, but I could be mistaken. The transcripts was taken
from this post, I think.

In any case - I do not constrict the airflow either way and
it is deep belly breath in<nose>/out<mouth> - but to me,
it sounds more like uhhhhhh/huuhhhhh.

As you might know, I cannot hear & understand spoken
words and sometimes it helps to have the video transcripts
and only then I might be able to read & hear the spoken words.
Well, that is my condition, it is what it is.

You might have noticed that I am the pesky one asking
for transcripts where-ever it might be of import so that
others, besides myself, might also benefit!

And as always, thanks for responding,
Dan
 
dant said:
As you might know, I cannot hear & understand spoken
words and sometimes it helps to have the video transcripts
and only then I might be able to read & hear the spoken words.
Well, that is my condition, it is what it is.

I'm really sorry dant, I remembered it as I read the word transcript. :-[

Would it be helpful for you, to have a transcript with timestamps? It should not be a problem to get it for you. :) Cause what I suspect, that you may have done the "beatha" portion too fast.
 
It's possible, but I did watch the video,
after having read the transcripts, and
deduced as much as I could.

I want to make it clear that the pipe
breathing gave be a sense of a head-rush,
it did not create vertigo, and it was a positive
sensation.

But if I was doing a dervish, it does cause vertigo,
it caused severe nausea, at least for me. I read that
I was not alone. That is why I tried the experiment
to put bretha and dervish together. It was interesting.

Again, thanks.
Dan
 
Hi, just wanted to let you guys know I received my own copy of the Éiriú-Eolas DVDs and CD today. Thank you!! I can finally start my EE breathing in earnest :D

btw I love the copy of the PotS (Thank you, Laura) and the companion guide, especially the little drawings! :)
 
Hello all,

This is my first post on my EE practice, with perhaps a lot to say at once. Please forgive the length.

First, I began practice with the online videos back in 2009, and I've been practicing mostly pipe breathing during my comuting time or my free time. However, practicing the complete program with meditation has been difficult and irregular to say the least, because of various family crises last year taking much of my time to cope with. My wife was struggling with an emotionally difficult work situation, and was both fragile and low on energy. I suggested a few times practicing the exercises would be helpful, and she did aggree, but somehow, it was always postponed (language was a first obstacle, but when translations were made available, she got so tired that anything she could think of was to get some sleep, and when we finally manage to organize things to do the program, the computer would froze in the middle of the video). To make it short, the good news is we finally did begin practice the program this week together. We didn't finish it together however, because she was exhausted after 3-stage breathing. But she was quite convinced by the explanations and glad to finally try a part of it.

Regarding my personnal experience of this week, I got a couple of strange "body feelings". The first one was during bioenergetic breathing : I had a sensation of air coming into the left side of my head back to the ear while doing it. It was very strange, because I've been suffering from the neck on the left side for a few weeks (and from my teeth on the left side after a childhood trauma), and I went to see a new chiropractor who told me she was feeling a great sadness on my left side as if I had to enclose and seal a dead part of my body in my left jaw. It felt like I was feeling life again in this part of my head, after a long time...
The second strange feeling was during meditation (on my bed) : when POTS started, I felt both very relaxed, as if bathing in relief and being really "present". And then I noticed that my hands, that had been resting on my bed all along, had no longer any sensation of touch : I couldn't even feel their presence, as if they were just merging with my environment and no longer distinct from it. This sensation somehow expanded to my body and I started to feel "pickles" on my forehead, all the while feeling a deep relief, as if completely burden-free for a while.

I don't know what to think of all this, so I share it.

Regards.
 
After month and a half, I finally managed do do the whole EE program, without bursting to tears or feeling like giant rock is on my abdomen. I guess, death of my grandfather and lot of little and not so little problems in my life hit me suddenly more than I could expect and all at once, or more than I could tolerate. Actually during his final days and perhaps a week after his death, I functioned normally (at least that is what I was thinking), doing EE just fine, doing annual detox and working everyday chores, but than 2 weeks after grandpa's death, I could not finish EE, beatha breathing was almost impossible to do, I was crying during POTS and feeling like, excuse me for the lack of better expression, I felt like sponge filled with sorrow and pain.
For a month I used only pipe breathing and warrior breath, I don't know why beatha was so much painful to do, whenever I commenced beatha I hyperventilate too much, felt dizziness, coughing, could not follow the counting, most of the time had felling like having short breath and need to inhale immediately or my lungs gonna explode. POTS (usually, my most bellowed part of the EE breathing) was for this period of time "crying" part of the EE, after that I usually had nightmares and did not sleep well (I'm doing EE before going to bed, 3 stage breathing when I woke up, and POTS whenever I need it during the day, that was my regular EE time table during the year).

I noticed lot of side effects of not doing EE on regular basis in last month and half:

I felt energy drained
I could not concentrate at all
Tinnitus increased
Headaches & migraines increased
Urge for having coffee and chocolate increased
I was unable to fine tune up 12 string guitar, like I could not feel the difference between oscillation of 1/2 of the certain tone.
Food and drink had different taste, actually they did not have any taste at all, I needed the salt and all kind of spices more than usuall
Drinking more water than ever
Insomnia and nightmares in abundance
Felt disconnected from others & nature (I don't know how to explain better) even from my own family, and loosing my sense of objectivity (if I had any), almost could felt like I'm not the same person I was 2 months ago
Increased urge to smoke, actually I don't remember when I smoked more than this last 2 months, even more than during the war in ex Yugoslavia when my life was in direct peril.

Well, that was, how I felt with out EE for last 40 days. It was quite relief when I finally managed to do the EE as usuall, before going to bed, felt blissful and had deep, recuperating night sleep.

There is another thing I noticed while doing EE. Most of the time I'm doing EE in total darkness, after beatha breathing and during the POTS I could see white, silvery fog like light in the room, it faded slowly just before getting to sleep. This is not the first time, I sensed something like that, actually whenever, I'm feeling almost like out of body, light, in peace, it's pretty hard to explain, useless but happy (I know it could sound funny but I don't know how to explain this kind of peace with myself and world around me) that is the time when I notice this phenomena. Usually short after that I could feel how I'm getting asleep, it's like you are getting back in your body and falling backward on the bed.

That's all for this EE report, happy to be back in EE family.
 
Hi all,

Just wanted to report what I experienced the other night when I did the full program. This is my also my 1st EE post.

Well, before I began I felt a bit distracted mentally. Thought it was gonna be one of those nights where I just couldn't stop the mental chatter and noise but I persevered. This 'noise' continued right to the moment of the final 3rd BaHa.

Then from out of nowhere I started thinking about this woman I had known when I was 8 or 9 yrs old. I used to play with her son Sandy during the summer holidays as he went to a different school. But one day just at the end of the holidays, Sandy's little brother James (I think was his name?), was run over by a car and killed. It was a terrible accident and it was in all the local papers. My mum told me about it and how I couldn't play with Sandy for a while or go round to their house.

I don't really remember much about it at the time, but remembered this time after the accident about a year later when I was in Sandy's house, and his mother looked terrible... she was in a house/dressing gown quite late in the day and looked thin and unwell. Reminded me at the time how my mum looked when my grandfather had died, when I was 7.

Well it was this image of Sandy's mum that just popped into my head right at the final Baha. Quite hard to put into words, but just all emotional floodgates opened? I cried for a long time, feeling pain and hurt and loss like i've never really felt before? For a few moments I felt really 'hopeless'. I've never experienced real loss before like the loss of a parent or a loved one? I've had crying moments during the EE before but this was for myself, at my own bad choices and actions over the years, and hurt i've felt from others.. but this was really different, feeling this hurt at what Sandy's mum must have been feeling...... I didn't know what to make of it, all I could do was think of her and dedicate my thoughts and experience that night to her (if she would accept it..) during the POTS. I wondered why I thought of Sandy's mum after all these years?

Actually I don't remember too much of the POTS as I didn't seem to be 'there' either? I kinda came to at the end noticing a really bright light. At one point I remember thinking did I leave the room light on, it was so bright? Well thought I should post this. Thanks all.

S
 
A very productive session last Monday evening, wet eyes throughout Pipe breathing and BaHa, during the latter felt lightheaded, followed by tears during PotS; followed by frequent visits to the bathroom during the night. Something was shifting and changing within me. :rockon:
 

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