Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[shadowsaround]

My Monday session went well and nothing really came up. I did the 3 stage breathing and Beatha portion but I did 40 minutes of meditation. Nothing really came up and it seemed that I saw the color gray throughout the session. After a day of reflection it seems to me that maybe I'm pushing too hard on myself to bring up emotions in order to deal with them. I know there are a lot of things that need to be dealt with in my life but maybe some part of myself at a higher level recognizes the fact that perhaps I'm not ready to deal with it all at once, even though my conscience mind wants to.

Yesterday I did feel tired but instead of napping I decided to lay down and meditate for awhile. I simply tried to let my mind "float" and not really try to deal with anything. Occasionally some things would pop up but nothing really happened until an hour or so had gone back. It seemed like I "flashed" to a house where I saw a female I had a huge crush on during my high school days. Throughout this "vision" I came to understand that I needed to let go and move on. Kind of like, " you have your path in life, I have mine." I felt totally at peace during the whole thing and I observed a lot. It seems to me that maybe meditating more along with EE could be one of the keys.

 

[Aiming]

After a day of reflection it seems to me that maybe I'm pushing too hard on myself to bring up emotions in order to deal with them. I know there are a lot of things that need to be dealt with in my life but maybe some part of myself at a higher level recognizes the fact that perhaps I'm not ready to deal with it all at once, even though my conscience mind wants to.

I think this is a good possiblity. I can relate to the consious wish and pull to bring up all those stuffed up emotions and deal with them and finally get it over with. But I've seen that whenever I identify with this pushy side in me, nothing of the sort will happen; it seems this mindset only puts up a wall. So what's really important concerning EE is to train ourselves in patience and trust in DCM that the releases and healing will happen in their own way and pace, and that our conscious preconceptions as to what, when and how are pretty misled and come from the personality. As far as I can see, there are so many layers to healing and unraveling them seems quite complex and also has to be met with a constant input of knowledge and daily work on our machines, that we simply have to accept that the process takes time. Nothing new here, but I thought reiterating it doesn't harm.

As to my own EE experiences: nothing much has happened in recent months which is why I haven't updated. The only thing I've noticed is how much I've come to love the bioenergetic part. After each full program there's always a feeling the next day as if I've been 'blown through', there's an intense feeling of having been cleansed of stuff, which is always accompanied by lots of dreaming and is followed by an increased need of sleep. If I don't sleep enough after a full session I feel all the stirred up stuff under the surface and I need to lay down for a nap in order to process the stuff via sleep. Beside the cleansing effect of bioenergetic breathing I've found it to be highly energizing, and the day after I'm much more able to not identify with programs running and to get on with my daily lesson stuff. However, there's still lots to do and I feel I still have to put in much more effort, I sense there's much more I can do and it's up to me, the work I - if I let the machine run, the only result is that nothing gets done and that I'm following old patterns which have long become obsolete. It seems to me EE is indeed ridding me of unresolved stuff/internal blockades, and thus makes it easier to tread on the path of cleaning the vessel. However, if this is not met with adequate continous conscious input in the all-day life, well, then that's really like some sort of insult to the real inside me.

Just thought I'd share, because I've repeatedly seen this automatical mode in me in which I give in and allow myself to take a break, while in fact I sense there is the strength to do more.

 

[Thomas Alan]

My experience is similar to others regarding BaHa breathing. It definitely brings repressed emotions to the surface. In my case it is usually anger. Sometimes it will manifest when there is no immediate reason for anger.

So, I do the BaHa just occasionally. Sometimes I do it while in the FIR sauna bag to clean the emotions while I am cleaning the body.

Pipe breathing and POTS daily, and in moments of stress.

Mac

 

[Ollie]

After a day of reflection it seems to me that maybe I'm pushing too hard on myself to bring up emotions in order to deal with them. I know there are a lot of things that need to be dealt with in my life but maybe some part of myself at a higher level recognizes the fact that perhaps I'm not ready to deal with it all at once, even though my conscience mind wants to.

I think this is a good possiblity. I can relate to the consious wish and pull to bring up all those stuffed up emotions and deal with them and finally get it over with. But I've seen that whenever I identify with this pushy side in me, nothing of the sort will happen; it seems this mindset only puts up a wall. So what's really important concerning EE is to train ourselves in patience and trust in DCM that the releases and healing will happen in their own way and pace, and that our conscious preconceptions as to what, when and how are pretty misled and come from the personality. As far as I can see, there are so many layers to healing and unraveling them seems quite complex and also has to be met with a constant input of knowledge and daily work on our machines, that we simply have to accept that the process takes time. Nothing new here, but I thought reiterating it doesn't harm.
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I think that sums up the situation pretty well, 'patience' appears to be a big programme for me too. :) I agree that DCM or Higher Self knows what pace to go at in releasing each of the many layers - a pace that is in keeping with your own strength and ability to manage safely and ecologically for the body-mind.

 

[cubbex]

I didn't zone out, but when I got on bed, I was in another dimension hehe. Its fun because you can't remember when is the cut point.
One day I remember I did zone out but I was kind of conscious, and my body felt very weird like producing a sound or like if I was floating but I wasn't because I remember being touching the wall.

 

[davey72]

Davey, the pipe breathing also helps to bring up repressed emotions, but at a gentler pace. So just doing what has been suggested to you will give you the same results as doing the beatha, too. It just is a gentler way of doing it, which is what you need at this time. So you really will not be missing out on anything that helps you with letting repressed emotions out. As has been said, the beatha really is not needed. It is just an additional tool for hastening the release of repressed emotions.

I, too, have had to stop using the beatha for long periods of time as the repressed emotions came out too quickly for me to process them. I found not doing the beatha gave me some time to work through these emotions. Then, as the pipe breathing brought up more repressed emotions and memories, at a much slower pace, I was able to to process these with less difficulty. It was much more gentle.

Thanks, I can't help thinking i was doing it wrong though, as when i was doing the beatha (before i was given the advice), i did not notice anything at all, let alone something as dramatic as people are saying. I am not sure if i was anticipating, or if i perhaps was not doing enough (or hadn't yet learned enough) of the work? the only thing i did notice was during the meditation itself.

 

[davey72]

I've been attempting the EE program for about 3 months now, once a week (and POT most nights). Due to osteo-arthritis and osteo -porosis of the spine (and several other joints) I find the most comfortable position is to lay down during the first and last stage and only sit up when doing the reach-up-and-grab-the-air segment. With deep belly breathing I wonder if I take in enough air ( that is if there is a 'correct' amount that you need to inhale) when in this prone position.

Laying down to do these portions is fine. Whichever way is most comfortable for you. I, myself, have found that the times I do do this lying down, I seem to get quite a lot of air into my lungs so I wouldn't worry about this. The main point is to be comfortable.

Anyway, after undertaking a session I do feel a lot more relaxed, clear headed and positive for the rest of the day. The following days however it seems I go through period of sometimes intense introspection, erratic anxiety, pointless irritations and the processing of thoughts about past and present mechanical behaviour concerning interactions with family and friends. (gawd - that sounds so vague- I which I could express my impressions more cogently).

Actually, this sounds very normal. You have things going on "under the surface" so to say. You are processing repressed emotions and programs that you have. You are doing quite the bang-up job!

Motivation is a major hurdle for me mainly down to my physical condition which quite often results in tirednes, fatique and general ennui. I hope this is not begining to sound too much like a big time whinge, but I've spend 18 years trying alleviate my medical condition and tried just about every unconventional (and conventional) purported remedy out there without any real long term success. Consequently I've a somewhat jaded and jaundiced view of things regarding cures/palliatives for this illness. My uncle had the same physical symptoms, restricted torso and head/neck movements and it seems likely there's some genetic factor involved. Sometimes, it just seems to be the way things are 'designed' on this planet - to break you, either mentally, emotionally, spiritually or physically.

I really agree with you on this. And if you read the book by Sidney M. Baker Detoxification and Healing, you will find that, yes, genetics is a factor in what diseases we get or don't get. And when you add i all of the toxins in our food, water, air we breath, space we live and work in - criminy, it's no wonder we are all in sad shape.

You may find that book to be very informative. Have you looked at the Diet and Health section here? Have you tried the UltraSimple Diet and eliminating various foods from you diet and then bringing them in one by one to see if you have a reaction to them? Are you taking supplements?

I, too, have a few health problems and through using various detoxifying techniques (food and Farinrfrared blanket, supplements) I have had quite a bit of improvement. I still have a long way to go, but I've had these problems for many years so I don't expect amazing results instantaneously. But there has been improvement.

Without harping on to long about my medical condition I've found heat helps whether from sunlight or hot baths. ( I was once told by an accupuncturist treating me that my body too cool /cold). Fresh air, particularly sea air also appears to be of benefit.

Anyway, I just hope to continue the EE program to reach and retain an improved positive, relaxed mental mood and outlook.

Sorrry, if some off this is off topic - but sometimes it helps just to let it all spill out (osit).

I think that you will be surprised how much doing the EE program will help you. I do suggest you look at Detoxification and Healing and also the threads on the Diet and Health board.

Good luck! :)

I have recently been diagnosed with arthritis, and i can't seem to find too much on the forum about it. I am in a lot of pain lately, and was wondering if you may have any advice on diet, or anything?

 

[herondancer]

Hi Davey72,

Arthritis is a form of inflammation, an immune system reaction. Your best best would be to do your best to avoid gluten and dairy whenever you can, as they are the principle sources of inflammation. If you check the Diet and Health threads, there's a lot of information there. Try these threads for starters:

Alternative treatment for rheumatoid arthritis
Good Resource For Dietary Issues (Especially For Arthritis)

maybe you can get hold of some Boswellia, which is available at most healthfood stores. The search function should bring you lots of material. Just put 'arthritis' (no quotes) in the search box and you have plenty of reading!

 

[Rabelais]

Wow, 296 pages. This thread has really grown.

My recent experience has been beneficial for me so I thought it best to share. I began the total darkness sleeping a couple of months ago, but I still awaken naturally just before sunrise. I have begun doing a full EE, while still in bed (after a quick bathroom run), in the blacked out bedroom, at sunrise. I do the whole program lying down. It seems to make my entire day much more productive and I don't have the desire for an early afternoon nap like I used to. I am up to three or four sunrise full EEs a week now.

Early in the EE program, when doing the round breathing stage, I used to get a kind of numb tingly sensation in my solar plexus which would spread down to my lower arms and hands. It felt like a mild electrical shock. The only thing that I can compare it to was when I once (around 1980) took too much niacin. The first time this happened was right after I began doing the EE exercises and meditations. I was doing the round breathing a bit too aggressively, I think. The numb tinglies were so intense that there was a constricted tightness in the solar plexus and the numbness was spreading throughout my whole body. It was a bit scary and I thought that I might be having a coronary. Something communicated to me to immediately go and eat a spoonful of lavender honey, which I did and the uncomfortable physical sensation quickly subsided. That was weird as this was also a period when I was not doing any sucrose or fructose at all, for candida control, just xylitol. I still sometimes get a mild tingling in the middle of the chest during round breathing, but relaxing the exercise a bit alleviates the sensation. In retrospect it was probably just hyperventilation.

I still sometimes do a before-bed EE, but I really seem to function mentally, emotionally and physically better with the sunrise sessions done in a totally dark room. With a brain and body fresh from sleep, and in the blackness, it is easier to stay focused on the meditation and not let mind chatter intrude. It has a way of sneaking in and distracting when I am tired. I also don't get lulled off to sleep as sometimes happens near the end of a session when I am tired at the end of the day.

Does anyone have any pros or cons about doing the whole program lying down? My lower back and hips get sore after a while when doing the pipe breathing and Ba Ha sitting cross legged on the floor. It is just easier for me to stay fully relaxed while reclining. If this has already been addressed in this long thread, I apologize for bringing it up again. I will start working my way through the board from where I last left off, and with a search for "lying down".

 

[Aiming]

Does anyone have any pros or cons about doing the whole program lying down? My lower back and hips get sore after a while when doing the pipe breathing and Ba Ha sitting cross legged on the floor. It is just easier for me to stay fully relaxed while reclining.

It's totally fine to be lying fown for the program, it's important to be as comfortable as possible so as to alleviate relaxation.

 

[Ollie]

Does anyone have any pros or cons about doing the whole program lying down? My lower back and hips get sore after a while when doing the pipe breathing and Ba Ha sitting cross legged on the floor. It is just easier for me to stay fully relaxed while reclining.

It's totally fine to be lying fown for the program, it's important to be as comfortable as possible so as to alleviate relaxation.

I'll second that.

Meanwhile, for my own experiences of the past week.

The pattern continues, on Monday during the full session, wet eyes during three-stage pipe breathing, although there was nothing during Beatha this time, the wet eyes returned during PotS with zoning out at the end. Thursday, again wet eyes during pipe breathing, followed by a relatively eventful Beatha, tears, yawns, and drifting off, breathing almost stopping before continuing at my own pace. Light-headedness was absent, as I’d taken on board water before this section. Once again zoned out at the end of PotS.

 

[Ennio]

Does anyone have any pros or cons about doing the whole program lying down? My lower back and hips get sore after a while when doing the pipe breathing and Ba Ha sitting cross legged on the floor. It is just easier for me to stay fully relaxed while reclining. If this has already been addressed in this long thread, I apologize for bringing it up again. I will start working my way through the board from where I last left off, and with a search for "lying down".

The only disadvantage I've experienced to doing EE while lying down is during warrior's breath. I find that there's more restricted movement while lifting my arms, so I'll sit up just for that part.

 

[herondancer]

Been having heavy bouts of yawning too, and wet eyes, both of which I haven't had in months. The impulse to yawn has been so strong for the last couple of days it was interfering with the three-stage breathing. I don't think that was a bad thing, it just meant sometimes taking two cycles of count to finish one breath. Who knew one could take in that much air? :) Made it to the end of the beatha, heard "relax your body", and then it was morning!

It could be plain old fatigue, as I just got back from a long tiring road trip. I feel much better, but I think I'll be getting to bed very early tonight.

 

[davey72]

Hi Davey72,

Arthritis is a form of inflammation, an immune system reaction. Your best best would be to do your best to avoid gluten and dairy whenever you can, as they are the principle sources of inflammation. If you check the Diet and Health threads, there's a lot of information there. Try these threads for starters:

Alternative treatment for rheumatoid arthritis
Good Resource For Dietary Issues (Especially For Arthritis)

maybe you can get hold of some Boswellia, which is available at most healthfood stores. The search function should bring you lots of material. Just put 'arthritis' (no quotes) in the search box and you have plenty of reading!

Thanks. I just realized that i must have forgot to include the whole forum, when i first did a search on it.

 

[Alejo]

Hey guys,
I was looking for the right board to post this, and could not figure it out..:P so if this is not the right one accept my apologies,
I also posted this on the EE forum (which in hindsight seems to be the right board for this..hmm) but I also wanted to share it in the cass forum, I had a feeling I should, it's been also suggested by the EE instructors to be the best way to find some answers.

Hello everyone,

Well it's been a while since I've been meaning to inquire about this, but hadn't really been able to.
Besides the benefits in relaxation from the program that are expected, the raised awareness of all your surroundings, I've had a couple of experiences that I'd like to know if any of you have experienced, so here goes:

When doing only pipe breathing, as in, not the whole program but simply pipe breathing for relaxation, I usually close my eyes, and when I do, I see shapes, 5 pointed star shapes that fill the whole of what I see, it's not a single star, is like a collage or mosaic of shapes and stars that constantly spin in the fashion a kaleidoscope would, these shapes have patterns to them that are irrecognizable, but they also morph, and whenever I see this I have an unnerving feeling that makes me open my eyes, it usually stops when I'm done with the set.

Another one, when doing the whole program, usually when doing the meditation portion (prayer of the soul) the space in between my eyebrows right in the center of my forehead I get a tingly sensation, and it spreads across my forehead to then recede when I'm done with the program.

Another one, this one was recently, right after I was done with the 3 stage breathing portion, for which I usually close my eyes; I opened them and I saw something I could only describe as everything pulsating with light, but it wasn't locally to evey object, I felt it was more like my eyes pulsating, and I was seeing everything through that pulsating retina if you will.

Think of it as if you've ever looked at an old computer or old tv screen as it refreshes the image, you sometimes see a line going down from the top of the screen to the bottom, and this line is a bit brighter that the rest of the screen, it was sort of like that, like a wave of light flowing upwards over and over again, while this happened I felt as though I was physically noticeably vibrating, but i actually wasn't it was more as though I became aware of a very subtle constant vibration, my feeling of this was a very positive one.

I hope this wasn't overwhelming to read! I appreciate any feedback, thank you for reading..

I would love to hear your thoughts on it, thank you very much for reading.