Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[davey72]

thank you for that. i appreciate it. Nobody , especially the Dr's want to give any hope at all. When i told the Dr my plan, he basically said that it would be impossible, as starting as young as i did, my brain chemistry is set, and there is absolutely no way for me to change it. I know deep down that this is not true, but it sure is discouraging.

Some doctors prefer to be pessimistic so that their patients may be pleasantly surprised if all goes well in the end rather than have a patient blaming them for a failure and for being too optimistic.
Also bear in mind that this would not be the first doctor to be wrong. I know several people who had been 'condemned' by Western medecine/doctors and who, years later, are still there and in perfect health.. .
To be fair, he probably draws his conclusions from previous cases and he knows it's hard, but everybody is different and he does not know about EE nor the powerful detox and diet info (not to mention the network) you find on this forum.

Hang on in there, Davey.

I can appreciate the thought, but this has been one of the mitigating factors of me being on it for over ten years, instead of doing it my way which was to use it the way it should be used and get off it right away.
Thank you all for the thoughts.

I was curious if someone may be able to tell me what the effects of doing the Beatha breathing when one's brain chemeistry is out of balance? Specifically in my situation, but also in general. Just outy of curiousity. I didn' ask cause i felt a little like people were thinking that i wasn' t listening to the advice i was given, but i am, just curious.



EDIT:also, i am emailing the info i have regarding the three stage meditation here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/Eiriu-Eolas/ to a couple councellors, and psychologists ate the treatment center i am in, and was curious if anyone else had anything that i could send?

 

[Alana]

I was curious if someone may be able to tell me what the effects of doing the Beatha breathing when one's brain chemeistry is out of balance? Specifically in my situation, but also in general. Just outy of curiousity. I didn' ask cause i felt a little like people were thinking that i wasn' t listening to the advice i was given, but i am, just curious.

davey, for your situation, think of it like this: you've been doing drugs since your early teens. That means that emotionally you have not had the chance/opportunity to develop from that time on. Drugs keep our emotional centers inactive, and it's one of the reasons people do them, so they don't feel unpleasant emotions. Keeping that in mind, do you think that you will be ready to deal with feeling all the anger/pain/fear you've been suppressing all these years when it comes up for you?

Let me share from personal experience here: other than some university time experimentation with a couple of substances that was very sparse and did not last long, i have no history of drug use that anyone would consider significant enough to mention even. Yet when i started doing the program, i had to quit the Beatha part for about 2 months because all the anger i was suppressing for years and years in an environment that demanded that i be a nice complaint girl, i could barely deal with it. It was so intense, so overwhelming that i felt that i was losing my mind and going officially crazy. The anger came with paranoia and intensification of all my programs. Thankfully, i had pipe breathing and the POTS to help me process all these emotions and experiences and find some balance within myself. And mind you, i am a person who spent years in therapy, and have talked and talked (even painted) my past issues and intellectually i was at a place where i understood what happened and why and how i am entitled to feel whatever it is inside me to feel. But i didn't feel those emotions. The fear of feeling my emotions built very thick walls to protect me from them, and they stayed erected long after i did not need them to protect me anymore. Beatha helped (and continues to do) bring those walls down few bricks at a time, but for someone who has not been in contact with her emotions for so long, it can feel overwhelming, and even now once in a while, i stop doing the beatha and i allow the pipe breathing and POTS to help me process what came up.

Other members of the forum had similar experiences or severe depressions, etc, and have stopped Beatha for a while or for a long time. If you go back and read all the posts in this thread, you will find them. If you were in my classes and knowing your history,you would have to sign a disclaimer that you understand that you are not to do the beatha breathing as advised by the EE instructors. Now if you went ahead and did it out of stubbornness, i would have it documented that it is your responsibility, because frankly, i have no clue what experiences you might have and what will come up for you.

EDIT:also, i am emailing the info i have regarding the three stage meditation here: http://www.cassiopaea.org/Eiriu-Eolas/ to a couple councellors, and psychologists ate the treatment center i am in, and was curious if anyone else had anything that i could send?

Please stop sending that link, it is not used anymore. This is another indication that you have not been paying attention. Write back and explain that you were wrong and that this is the official Eiriu Eolas side:

http://eiriu-eolas.org/

and the program can be viewed online here:

http://eiriu-eolas.org/online-version/

Under the articles category you can find many studies about the positive effects of vagus nerve stimulation for both our physical and emotional health, but also tons of other info on breathing, meditation, praying, etc. That's great info for psychologists and psychiatrists:

http://eiriu-eolas.org/category/articles/

But to convince people that this is a valuable program to try, you have to be able to tell them what did it do for you. Why do you like it so much that you want to share it?

 

[davey72]

I am curious that knowing it would be my responsibility, and if i felt it was ok, maybe if it would be ok to do the beathat like once a month, so that i had some things to process with the pots, and meditation? I am at a point that i will do what is advised of me, but i really do feel like i could handle it right now. I also realize that i need to listen to others, as i cannot really understand, or trust my own thinking , or emotions, at this time. Thank you, everyone for your advice. :D

EDIT: thank you for the links. i didn't send it yet, as i was looking for exactly this sort of info before i did. Perfect. thanks again.

 

[anart]

I am curious that knowing it would be my responsibility, and if i felt it was ok, maybe if it would be ok to do the beathat like once a month, so that i had some things to process with the pots, and meditation? I am at a point that i will do what is advised of me, but i really do feel like i could handle it right now. I also realize that i need to listen to others, as i cannot really understand, or trust my own thinking , or emotions, at this time. Thank you, everyone for your advice. :D

EDIT: thank you for the links. i didn't send it yet, as i was looking for exactly this sort of info before i did. Perfect. thanks again.

davey72, please take the advice you have been given. If you cannot do this, then perhaps it would be a good idea for you to take a break from this forum until you have completed rehab?

 

[davey72]

wow. As i said, i have taken the advice. i was just asking a question. I honestly didn't mean to offend anyone. I realize that i don't express myself very well. As for the links, i am not sure what i was supposed to be paying attention to, as this is the link i was given on the eirusEulos forum. again, i am sorry, and i will step back, and try to pay attention more. obviously i am far worse off than i thought i was if i am coming across this way to people such as yourselves. You are the last people i wanted to show how much of a fool i can be to.

 

[cubbex]

wow. As i said, i have taken the advice. i was just asking a question. I honestly didn't mean to offend anyone. I realize that i don't express myself very well. As for the links, i am not sure what i was supposed to be paying attention to, as this is the link i was given on the eirusEulos forum. again, i am sorry, and i will step back, and try to pay attention more. obviously i am far worse off than i thought i was if i am coming across this way to people such as yourselves. You are the last people i wanted to show how much of a fool i can be to.

:P Yeah it hurts a little dave, but just throw your ego. You didn't offend anyone, the only one offended was you. Take the advices as facts, just that, like a diagnosis.

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I did this last monday the program and again I fall asleep. And I saw again the things very very vivid, like everything was shiny, and I was in my room and barely remember a woman telling to me "No, I am not angry". LOL didn't know who she was.

I remember that when I wanted to commit suicide, I saw just in few momments after wake up, two persons, two friars sittig in my bed, one was touching me, in my head, and I was in peace, in love, in some state that like, someone was calming me, it was warm, and looked like the woman, so vivid but at the same time I couldn't be totally awake. I was 14 when I saw those two persons, for me, angels did look like some saints or something like that, and well, its interesting that those two persons looked like that. After that apparition or whatever, I felt happy and calm, and didn't want to commit suicide.

 

[Nienna]

Davey, the pipe breathing also helps to bring up repressed emotions, but at a gentler pace. So just doing what has been suggested to you will give you the same results as doing the beatha, too. It just is a gentler way of doing it, which is what you need at this time. So you really will not be missing out on anything that helps you with letting repressed emotions out. As has been said, the beatha really is not needed. It is just an additional tool for hastening the release of repressed emotions.

I, too, have had to stop using the beatha for long periods of time as the repressed emotions came out too quickly for me to process them. I found not doing the beatha gave me some time to work through these emotions. Then, as the pipe breathing brought up more repressed emotions and memories, at a much slower pace, I was able to to process these with less difficulty. It was much more gentle.

 

[shadowsaround]

A couple of things from my lastest session today. I have experimented with laying down and sitting while doing the 3 stage breathing exercises and came to the conclusion I seem to do better while sitting. My arms did get tired but only during the 2nd part of 3 stage breathing. I did get through it but I noticed when my arms did get tired I did stretch my arms out for a breathe and then put them back up at chest level, this seemed to help. During the Beatha portion I noticed my mind kind of wandered and I started thinking about my dad. I do feel embarrassed to say but it does seem easier for me to get into a good meditative state and stay there. I don't really see or feel anything in the meditative state other than a blank screen in my mind. I guess when I am truly ready for things to start coming to the surface they will. I have noticed that once the CD starts over I do get startled by Laura's voice when she starts on the intro again. I have a feeling maybe I should stay in the meditative portion a bit longer? Before I started my mind was racing and I was having some concentration issue's and afterwards I feel at peace with a calm mind.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

Other members of the forum had similar experiences or severe depressions, etc, and have stopped Beatha for a while or for a long time. If you go back and read all the posts in this thread, you will find them.

I can testify to that. I was at first doing the beatha twice a week with the whole program, but several months ago, I found that I was often angry, on edge after the second (whole progrram) session. So I only did it once a week for a while and it felt much better. I think the beatha twice a week was processing stuff too quickly for me. Like Alana, I think the anger suppressed was too powerful and needed to be worked on little by little.

So for now, it's pipe breathing as soon as it's needed during the day and every night, followed by the POTS and the whole program with the beatha once a week. It's more gentle (and still as effective) for me that way.

 

[Ollie]

For, me, there does appear to be a pattern developing of late. Wet, often very wet, eyes during thee-stage-breathing – which demonstrates that change is happening here – and once again in Beatha plus a certain light-headedness as it progresses.

This is demonstrating that change may still happen even when Beatha is suspended from the programme.

 

[Iron]

Yesterday, while doing the entire program I zoned out after Beatha and returned some time after the audio had stopped. And only returned because my sister entered the room.

 

[Harold]

Other members of the forum had similar experiences or severe depressions, etc, and have stopped Beatha for a while or for a long time. If you go back and read all the posts in this thread, you will find them.

I can testify to that. I was at first doing the beatha twice a week with the whole program, but several months ago, I found that I was often angry, on edge after the second (whole progrram) session. So I only did it once a week for a while and it felt much better. I think the beatha twice a week was processing stuff too quickly for me. Like Alana, I think the anger suppressed was too powerful and needed to be worked on little by little.

My experience was with intense anxiety. I stopped for a month or so maybe longer. Don't remember exactly. I had done the breatha 3 or 4 times in one week, and a couple the week before. Once during that I did it in water also. I learned quickly after that! I am now up to doing the full EE only once a week, for a month now. Was every couple of weeks before that. It is very effective and can be powerfully disabling at time's if one is not fully following instructions or what other's share on the forum. Plus other external factors can have their effect's. Like doing it in a heat wave. But looking back at it, it was a good learning experience.

So for now, it's pipe breathing as soon as it's needed during the day and every night, followed by the POTS and the whole program with the beatha once a week. It's more gentle (and still as effective) for me that way.

Me too.

EE that way is still gentle, subtle and powerful all at once.

 

[davey72]

Davey, the pipe breathing also helps to bring up repressed emotions, but at a gentler pace. So just doing what has been suggested to you will give you the same results as doing the beatha, too. It just is a gentler way of doing it, which is what you need at this time. So you really will not be missing out on anything that helps you with letting repressed emotions out. As has been said, the beatha really is not needed. It is just an additional tool for hastening the release of repressed emotions.

I, too, have had to stop using the beatha for long periods of time as the repressed emotions came out too quickly for me to process them. I found not doing the beatha gave me some time to work through these emotions. Then, as the pipe breathing brought up more repressed emotions and memories, at a much slower pace, I was able to to process these with less difficulty. It was much more gentle.

thank you. this is what i was looking for. I still have a hard time with my self esteem. hopefully the pipe breathing and prayer will help me with this.

 

[zim]

Hi All

Updating my program, still doing sit, sometimes I had hungry after the program sometimes I dont, but in the BaHa portion I felt sleep sometimes when I realized I continue to breath.
The last week I felt very angry but Im fine now, I´ve felt lately a very clear mind good memory... :P
I´ve always say the POS every night today and each time I wake up in the night I like to breath and say the POS yesterday as soon as I felt sleep I felt like I was leaving out of my body then I was doing a spinning dancing against clockwise with someone. ;D

 

[cubbex]

thank you. this is what i was looking for. I still have a hard time with my self esteem. hopefully the pipe breathing and prayer will help me with this.

Maybe you need to begin to understand better the self steem thing. Davey, imagine those emotional struggles, with the BA-AH portion they get out in a big push, in one hard punch, so it would be really hard.

Just to give you maybe one example of the BA-HA effects on the body. And believe me, even with the BA-HA, nothing changes magically, you need to work along with it.