Foxx said:
I'll third that. :)
Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program
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I'll third that. :)
Gonzo said:
Exactly, and I can't help but wonder how much more we could "have", or rather, be. This body is starting to feel like a total prison, though a necessary one until my lessons are learned.
It is a difficult question because a lot of people call themselves atheists without much thought, because they are anti religion or just don't care about any greater meaning. I don't think there would be many true atheists if people just took the time to sit and truly think, and maybe the true hardcore atheists simply could not experience something like this because it is just not part of their being. And unfortunately I'd imagine the more tentative atheist would likely start to re evaluate his life, before forgetting the experience after a few days and shoving it under the rug
.Thank you all for your kind words :)
I'm glad that you had that experience Carlise :).
In last 2 months there is improvement in doing EE for me and my partner. We've been occasionally interrupted by my dad calling me in the middle of breathing which can be frustrating. He doesn't know that we are doing it because he wouldn't understand it and as a part of strategic enclosure I decided not to tell him. Now I tell him that I'm going to sleep a bit because I need rest for a few hours before going to work (night shifts) and it works, for two months we are free to enjoy EE without this little annoying interruptions. On top of that I've managed to buy new bedroom furniture with nice big bed and we painted walls in beautiful green colors and it's really nice relaxing environment for doing EE.
We are doing full program on Mondays and Thursdays and regularly 3 stage breathing with PotS and Meditation on other days in a week. Few months ago I decided to do full program only once a week but after some time I felt like I can and need to do it again 2 times a week. There is this feeling of a change that is developing in me as 'time' passes, a feeling of growth, progression. I'm using my job (in factory) for some other higher purposes other than money oriented, I'm praying PotS every day at my work and spinning 3x33 when no one sees me in my wardrobe and practicing external consideration when in conversation with my work colleagues. I'm dealing with my self importance and anticipation and observing myself constantly due to my emotional sensitivity when things go other, seemingly negative, way than expected. And I see and feel progress, little by little I'm managing to stay calm and aware in stressful situations and it's like I have a shield made of knowledge, awareness and understanding of what is going on in these stressful situations. It's obvious to me that things are moving toward much more order in last few months when not anticipating and doing my best. :)
In last 2 months there is improvement in doing EE for me and my partner. We've been occasionally interrupted by my dad calling me in the middle of breathing which can be frustrating. He doesn't know that we are doing it because he wouldn't understand it and as a part of strategic enclosure I decided not to tell him. Now I tell him that I'm going to sleep a bit because I need rest for a few hours before going to work (night shifts) and it works, for two months we are free to enjoy EE without this little annoying interruptions. On top of that I've managed to buy new bedroom furniture with nice big bed and we painted walls in beautiful green colors and it's really nice relaxing environment for doing EE.
We are doing full program on Mondays and Thursdays and regularly 3 stage breathing with PotS and Meditation on other days in a week. Few months ago I decided to do full program only once a week but after some time I felt like I can and need to do it again 2 times a week. There is this feeling of a change that is developing in me as 'time' passes, a feeling of growth, progression. I'm using my job (in factory) for some other higher purposes other than money oriented, I'm praying PotS every day at my work and spinning 3x33 when no one sees me in my wardrobe and practicing external consideration when in conversation with my work colleagues. I'm dealing with my self importance and anticipation and observing myself constantly due to my emotional sensitivity when things go other, seemingly negative, way than expected. And I see and feel progress, little by little I'm managing to stay calm and aware in stressful situations and it's like I have a shield made of knowledge, awareness and understanding of what is going on in these stressful situations. It's obvious to me that things are moving toward much more order in last few months when not anticipating and doing my best. :)
drazen said:
Glad to hear things are going well.
I've also found that a job can be a great place to practice 4th way concepts, and will probably help prepare us for whatever is coming in the next few months/years. After all, if you can't keep a clear head when your boss is yelling at you, how will you deal an ice age! keep it up, as you say, little by little :)
This (Monday) morning's full EE session was somewhat unusual. I had a tension build up in my solar plexus area during Ba-Ha and mild tingling in my face, arms, and a bit more in my hands and fingers -- which hadn't happened in a LONG time. Then at the end of Ba-Ha, the tension in the solar plexus was released and I had a VERY deep meditative state during the POTS. All in all, it was a great session and I feel energized now.
Another quiet week regarding ‘formal’ EE sessions, well, for me that is. Wet-eyes and yawning during thee-stage pipe breathing, becoming mega-yawns and tears running down my face during PotS. On Thursday, I experienced a restless right foot and leg.
I did a couple of weeks adding a third EE session.
It seems that when ever I plan to do a session during the day/morning something interrupts and I end up doing the session of an evening. However doing the sessions of an evening seem to wake me up and increase my difficulty getting to sleep. I've had sleep issues since I was a little kid. These days if I get to sleep before 10pm I'm often wide awake at around 1 or 2 am.
So I decided to experiment a little with the EE session. I've started to leave out the warriors breath. Since I was doing it of an evening this seemed the obvious section to leave out as a trial as it meant that I could relax more into the session knowing that I wasn't disturbing others that might be sleeping. So for the past week I've been doing pipe breath, going straight into beatha and then POTS. I can actually do all of this in bed and go straight to sleep after wards. This is working really good at the moment and I'm doing it every night before I go to sleep. Seem to be having micro zone outs with the beatha. I haven't had a zone out with beatha since I first purchased the program a couple of years ago.
POTS seems much more profound when done straight after Beatha. I also hadn't done this for quite some time.
So far I'm liking the effect and how I'm feeling, though anger seems to be building at times. I've only had tears once since starting this.
I think I'll add back warriors breath during the day now since it's short enough to squeeze in any where and I'm less likely to be disturbed.
It seems that when ever I plan to do a session during the day/morning something interrupts and I end up doing the session of an evening. However doing the sessions of an evening seem to wake me up and increase my difficulty getting to sleep. I've had sleep issues since I was a little kid. These days if I get to sleep before 10pm I'm often wide awake at around 1 or 2 am.
So I decided to experiment a little with the EE session. I've started to leave out the warriors breath. Since I was doing it of an evening this seemed the obvious section to leave out as a trial as it meant that I could relax more into the session knowing that I wasn't disturbing others that might be sleeping. So for the past week I've been doing pipe breath, going straight into beatha and then POTS. I can actually do all of this in bed and go straight to sleep after wards. This is working really good at the moment and I'm doing it every night before I go to sleep. Seem to be having micro zone outs with the beatha. I haven't had a zone out with beatha since I first purchased the program a couple of years ago.
POTS seems much more profound when done straight after Beatha. I also hadn't done this for quite some time.
So far I'm liking the effect and how I'm feeling, though anger seems to be building at times. I've only had tears once since starting this.
I think I'll add back warriors breath during the day now since it's short enough to squeeze in any where and I'm less likely to be disturbed.
David Topi
Jedi Master
Yesterday during the PoTS I decided to ask the universe to "send me" in any way, form or shape, any info that could be useful for me to know about the upcoming changes.
Well, I received this today in the mail (from a random message generator service I am subscribed):
Can't say that the universe does not listen
Well, I received this today in the mail (from a random message generator service I am subscribed):
Can't say that the universe does not listen
In the last weeks I'm experiencing lots of heat and a bit sweating during the 3 stage breathing and the meditation. And it is always great releasing built up energy and I'm feeling more energized after the program. At the moment I'm trying different positions too, sitting for 3-stage breathing and warriors breath and laying down for beatha and meditation.
Graalsword
Jedi Council Member
Last 2 or 3 complete EE were "normal", without news.
But there was something one week and a half ago, it was in the night before-sleep POTS/meditation, 2 fridays ago.
I don't know exactly how to explain it accurately, I'm not sure whether it was *zoning out* or the result of being sleepy, or what. The interesting and weird part is that it happened when having a distraction during POTS or the following meditation.
I mean, I began to think in something else (I don't remember what, nothing important, just thinking in totally unrelated unimportant things, pure distraction in the middle of the excercise), and I zoned-out or something similar, then re-emerging later without remembering what happened.
I don't know why this zoning out happened when having a distraction, my hypothesis is that that distraction could have liberated my mind from any expectation and therefore the zoning out happened?
It's not the first time, it already had happened before a couple of times.
But there was something one week and a half ago, it was in the night before-sleep POTS/meditation, 2 fridays ago.
I don't know exactly how to explain it accurately, I'm not sure whether it was *zoning out* or the result of being sleepy, or what. The interesting and weird part is that it happened when having a distraction during POTS or the following meditation.
I mean, I began to think in something else (I don't remember what, nothing important, just thinking in totally unrelated unimportant things, pure distraction in the middle of the excercise), and I zoned-out or something similar, then re-emerging later without remembering what happened.
I don't know why this zoning out happened when having a distraction, my hypothesis is that that distraction could have liberated my mind from any expectation and therefore the zoning out happened?
It's not the first time, it already had happened before a couple of times.
Graalsword said:Last 2 or 3 complete EE were "normal", without news.
But there was something one week and a half ago, it was in the night before-sleep POTS/meditation, 2 fridays ago.
I don't know exactly how to explain it accurately, I'm not sure whether it was *zoning out* or the result of being sleepy, or what. The interesting and weird part is that it happened when having a distraction during POTS or the following meditation.
I mean, I began to think in something else (I don't remember what, nothing important, just thinking in totally unrelated unimportant things, pure distraction in the middle of the excercise), and I zoned-out or something similar, then re-emerging later without remembering what happened.
I don't know why this zoning out happened when having a distraction, my hypothesis is that that distraction could have liberated my mind from any expectation and therefore the zoning out happened?
It's not the first time, it already had happened before a couple of times.
Often when I do PoTS after the full ba ha section I am often in quite a deep sleepy state. After a few recitals of the prayer I go into a kind of hypnagogic state where my mind just wanders through the most mechanical things, like being in work etc. There is nothing I can do to stop this, but then I often 'zone out' after a short time in this state, and cannot remember what happened.
Maybe it is just because you are going deeper and losing control of your thoughts?
Carlise said:Graalsword said:Last 2 or 3 complete EE were "normal", without news.
But there was something one week and a half ago, it was in the night before-sleep POTS/meditation, 2 fridays ago.
I don't know exactly how to explain it accurately, I'm not sure whether it was *zoning out* or the result of being sleepy, or what. The interesting and weird part is that it happened when having a distraction during POTS or the following meditation.
I mean, I began to think in something else (I don't remember what, nothing important, just thinking in totally unrelated unimportant things, pure distraction in the middle of the excercise), and I zoned-out or something similar, then re-emerging later without remembering what happened.
I don't know why this zoning out happened when having a distraction, my hypothesis is that that distraction could have liberated my mind from any expectation and therefore the zoning out happened?
It's not the first time, it already had happened before a couple of times.
Often when I do PoTS after the full ba ha section I am often in quite a deep sleepy state. After a few recitals of the prayer I go into a kind of hypnagogic state where my mind just wanders through the most mechanical things, like being in work etc. There is nothing I can do to stop this, but then I often 'zone out' after a short time in this state, and cannot remember what happened.
Maybe it is just because you are going deeper and losing control of your thoughts?
This happens to me also sometimes during PotS and meditation. I thought that I need to focus more to get in control of my thoughts, but I couldn't and this totally unrelated, unimportant type of thoughts, like a pure distraction as Graalsword says, just happens and 'zoning out' is part of it.
Graalsword
Jedi Council Member
drazen said:
Yup, what you both describe is what happened to me. Unralated, unimportant thoughts, mechanical and random, and then zoning out.
Serendipity
Jedi Master
Zoning out happened to me once, during POTS part when I first tried EE few months ago. It was similar like what you described. I lost my focus, and mechanical thoughts started.
They took over, I had no control of them, it even felt kinda like that thoughts aren't mine, and I was looking at them being only vaguely aware of them.
Then I probably ''zoned out'', because after ''getting back to consciousness'' I noticed that at least 15 minutes passed.
Thought flow was ongoing, like it never stopped, but I didn't remember anything from those 15 minutes.The thoughts, or the ''place'' where my observing self maybe went.
They took over, I had no control of them, it even felt kinda like that thoughts aren't mine, and I was looking at them being only vaguely aware of them.
Then I probably ''zoned out'', because after ''getting back to consciousness'' I noticed that at least 15 minutes passed.
Thought flow was ongoing, like it never stopped, but I didn't remember anything from those 15 minutes.The thoughts, or the ''place'' where my observing self maybe went.
This Thursday morning's full EE with Ba-Ha was pretty intense again. Again, I had an unusual session, in that my hands and face experienced "tetanus" (with hands frozen somewhat into claws and mouth frozen into almost a whistling position) during Ba-Ha accompanied by more intense tingling than Monday. Again, this hasn't happened in a long time. I also had some tension build up again around the solar plexus area during Ba-Ha and the tingling included my feet -- but very mild there.
I had a very deep meditative state during POTS again and feel very energized once more. I only skipped EE yesterday this week for the rest of the days without Ba-Ha. I want to get very consistent in doing it everyday and Mondays and Thursdays including Ba-Ha again. I think it's very synergistic with the diet (and my recent experimentation with mild intermittent fasting) and general Work on the self.
I had a very deep meditative state during POTS again and feel very energized once more. I only skipped EE yesterday this week for the rest of the days without Ba-Ha. I want to get very consistent in doing it everyday and Mondays and Thursdays including Ba-Ha again. I think it's very synergistic with the diet (and my recent experimentation with mild intermittent fasting) and general Work on the self.
