Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Thank for the advice Ennio. I'm not far off getting it right maybe I notice this more when I am out of sync with the breathing instead off when it occurs naturally. Hasn't helped as I've had a cold over the last week which probably made the inhalation during the pipe breathing more difficult.
 
Dirgni said:
Yes, I am one of them. So strain in the arms is not my problem as I could just lay them down. And I normally do belly breathing - also in normal life (leftover of attending school choir for one year or so). Based on your answers I did some thinking about my issue. Maybe my problem is that I do not really know why the hands are put into the 3 positions. I assumed that they are some marker to where the air should go.
1. position - do belly breathing
2. position - do belly breathing and include above belly room
3. position - breath into the highest parts of your lungs.
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Basically, yes.

Starting with the hands over the abdomen is to do regular belly breathing. As you raise your hands - and arms- into the next position, it opens you lungs higher up. You still start with the breath in the lower regions of the lungs and should be able to continue to breathe higher up in the lungs. The third position with your arms up high should enable you to, again, start the breath down in the bottom of the lungs and continue to fill the lungs all the way to the top of the lungs. Or, that is how it feels. That way, you are using the entire lung capacity.
 
I also do the entire EE program laying down, except for Warrior's Breath. It's so much more relaxing for me that way. Don't fall asleep anymore, although that did happen a couple of times in the beginning in 2009 (sometimes it was hard to know if I was zoning out or fell asleep, it could start as zoning and THEN falling asleep, as it's different when waking up than coming out of zoning).


The point of the 3 stage breathing with the 3 different hand positions is to fill up the lungs more and more. The hand positions are just there to make sure that belly/diaphragm breathing is maintained, and then each next stage fills up the lungs more than the previous stage. It helps to start stage two by splitting it where the first 3 count is the same as the first stage (concentrating on belly breathing/belly rises on inhale) then still using the diaphragm to fill up more of the lungs on the next count of 3 (total inhale = 6 count) where the chest starts to expand too (the hand position just helps feel/demonstrate that this is happening).

Then the third stage you fill the lungs up to the maximum and the hand position helps to do that too. For the third stage, it helps to start as stage one for the first two count, then do as the second stage for the next two count, and finally go beyond that to max lung capacity for the final two count (reaching a count of 6). Hope this helps a bit.

ADDED: Just saw your new post, Nienna.
 
I think, the technique of putting a book on the belly above the navel while doing PB lying down, is a helpful demonstration in the EE video, in order to get a feel for belly breathing. You could also try doing this with your hand on the belly instead of the book, while the other hand rests on your chest. Then you may just concentrate on your breathing, while taking note, which hand rises. If you breath with your diaphragm, it may be the one on the belly.

Dirgni said:
But with hands on the breast and trying to put the air "above the belly room" I have got the issue that I tend to start breathing into the chest first and belly later. Not good. Therefore I try to start filling my belly and let the volume of the "imagined balloon" moving higher.
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Mostly, I do PB while sitting on a chair. I imagine the air going through a tunnel (my chest) [air goes there first, but just passing], which keeps steady, in order to fill up the space below (my belly), which might "bulb out", if I am doing it with the help of my diaphragm. The chest might rise a bit too [only later], as soon as the upper lungs are being filled up by air too (thinking of the 3rd stage for ex.). Hope, this helps ;)

While composing this post, I had to suddenly think about the bag of a bagpipe, how it is filled with air. Just wanted to share this too, though I am not sure, if this analogy really fits.

EDIT: Quote added and post adapted to it
 
Thanks a lot for your clarifications Nienna, SeekinTruth and Learner. I will check it out and tell how it works. Everything is clearer to me now. :)
 
I would like very much to get that Breathing program but don't have TV and DVD player. I just use iPad for everything. Somehow, if I could download it to my iPad, that will be great. Sometimes I have wishful thinking.
 
Kay Kim said:
I would like very much to get that Breathing program but don't have TV and DVD player. I just use iPad for everything. Somehow, if I could download it to my iPad, that will be great. Sometimes I have wishful thinking.
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There is an EE online version here Kay Kim:

http://eiriu-eolas.org/online-version/
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,12837.msg92389.html#msg92389

Here you find a FAQ and the prayer of the soul in different languages.

Learning is fun. :)
 
Hello Dirgni, thank you very much for information but can't watch or download from online version because needed to have Adobe Flash Player but Apple computer or iPad can't get that. I did get something similar to Flash Player from Apple App, 4 of them still not working. Then I go me a ebook from Amazon- Life is Religion 12 Daily Exercise for Mind, Body and Soul from Cassiopaea.org which I am sure from Laura but there is no instructions to do Eiriu-Eolas Breathing program.
If only I have instruction that written by Laura or members of this place, I think I can do it.
 
Kay Kim said:
Hello Dirgni, thank you very much for information but can't watch or download from online version because needed to have Adobe Flash Player but Apple computer or iPad can't get that. I did get something similar to Flash Player from Apple App, 4 of them still not working. Then I go me a ebook from Amazon- Life is Religion 12 Daily Exercise for Mind, Body and Soul from Cassiopaea.org which I am sure from Laura but there is no instructions to do Eiriu-Eolas Breathing program.
If only I have instruction that written by Laura or members of this place, I think I can do it.
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What about emailing Apple Support Services, explaining the situation to them and seeing if they have any solutions or workarounds to the problem.
 
For the first time yesterday, I had an idea how more, can assimilate verses of the prayer.

For example: "Carried in the heart." And then imagine how my next day could look like, while I have DCM in my heart. How am I feel? How I refer to the people? How I perform my duties? What changes can I see in my life?

Further: "Ruler of the mind." -=-

Through the exercise relaxing and doing the pipe breath.

This exercise allows me to more fully dissolve in the prayer.
 
Shouldn't there be a written instruction for the program somewhere, in case electricity isn't available or the videos are unavailable to some people?

Also, I want to point out to everyone that the EE FAQ thread has been copied and converted to the CassWiki. There's lots of good information there so if you haven't seen it in a while I encourage you to take another look:

http://thecasswiki.net/index.php?title=%C3%89iri%C3%BA_Eolas
 
When I move onto round breathing I get the feeling that my heart is going to jump out of my chest, for lack of a better description, and the only way to counter it is to place my hand over the heart area. This has been ongoing for a few months and I'm not sure why, maybe some sort of detox reaction or I might just be sensitive to the increased heart rate from the round breathing.
 
Immersion said:
When I move onto round breathing I get the feeling that my heart is going to jump out of my chest, for lack of a better description, and the only way to counter it is to place my hand over the heart area. This has been ongoing for a few months and I'm not sure why, maybe some sort of detox reaction or I might just be sensitive to the increased heart rate from the round breathing.
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Are you breathing too forcefully by any chance? You might try to make your breathing less forceful, and/or don't try to fully fill your lungs and fully empty them, but concentrate on no interruption between inhale and exhale. In other words, relax and take it more gently. Otherwise, you might want to skip round breathing for a while, particularly the faster cycles, if you don't figure out what's behind the "heart jumping out of your chest" feeling. FWIW.
 
monotonic said:
Shouldn't there be a written instruction for the program somewhere, in case electricity isn't available or the videos are unavailable to some people?
Also, I want to point out to everyone that the EE FAQ thread has been copied and converted to the CassWiki. There's lots of good information there so if you haven't seen it in a while I encourage you to take another look:

http://thecasswiki.net/index.php?title=%C3%89iri%C3%BA_Eolas
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Hi monotonic and All,

I thought of a solution in case one has no electricity. I also think that doing it after a while helps concentration, staying in the process, that is to discipline the mind.
I can even remember Laura's voice.

That's what I do:
1. I count the 4 stages (6.3.9.3) and press my thumb on my waist and I project number 1 in front my eyes
2 Then I press my second finger on my waist, imagine number 2 in my mind's eye and count again 6.3.9.3
3. I go through all the 12 repetitions using my fingers and vision. Then I move my hands to the armpits, and so on.

4. Warrior breathing is just counting, so it's easy

5. Round breath - i also use my vision and fingers to count to 10 and project no. 1 in my vision. Then I project number 2 and start breathing another round of 10 breaths, then I project number 3 in my mind's eye for the following 10 breaths.

6. Of, course, I know the prayer by hearth. I try to live it, so I keep repeating it until words become alive inside me.

This way I have a tactile reminder and a visual counting system of the process.
It takes some time to get into this properly. Yes, is much easier, useful, and pleasant to be guided, but at some time we might go on without electricity.

Maybe somebody figured out something better.
Just my 2 cents
joy
 
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