Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[truth seeker]

I've noticed that in the last three months or so, warts that I've had for most of my life are going away. I decided to look up warts on the forum and I came across this page for anyone interested:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9475.0

 

[ana]

Just to share some experiences and see if someone is also experiencing something similar..

For some time, while I'm relaxing in bed or on the sofa or wherever, (without going into a state of meditation), I see (if I do not force the eyesight) a kind of light waves that seem get out of my forehead expanding.

Other times while bringing closer and far my eyesight from a point on the wall or the floor, I see as if the soil is reorganizing , as a lot of particles moving and reorganizing again reaching a shape. Well maybe it is related to the astigmatism... I don't know

As for emotions I am now in a period in which I'm pretty balanced, after a really hard period I had first when I was a teenager where I had tachycardias and imbalances, and another one that finished about half a year ago; it was about two or three years of anxiety attacks, some panic attacks, tachycardias, imbalances, a kind of depersonalization perceptions, constant fear of death, fear of losing my mind, dreams of tsunamis where only I see the sea wave and others are playing calmly, dreams of snakes each time more large, of dark men chasing me to kill me, and strong shocks in terms of interaction with family and close people.

Now I do let the emotions flow as they are trying to related them to the situation experienced in each moment, the truth is that this way emotions become a great source of energy althought sometimes I do experience emotion in a very intensive way and I find it hard to keep my feets on the ground, that's when I begin to imagine dissociating of this reality..

 

[Stuart]

Hi,
I thought I'd post my experiences with the EE program and apart from some initial crying in the first few sessions on doing the full system I'm not having such a hard time as some. Maybe it's the calm before the storm. I'll wait and see.

Physically, my experiences have been the same as most (tingling in the hands etc during the BA-HA) except recently I've had not only the 'pressure' sensations on the forehead and spreading down to the nose, but also the same sensations just above the belly button and on the throat. Recently I've had one or both of my legs from the knee down feeling uncomfortable that I keep on having to move them which starts when the POTS portion begins.

Mentally, I find that I'll get flashes of insight about myself in terms of what I should be doing like posting on here and networking more, or how I could contribute more to life and give back. Sometimes creative ideas come to mind and overall my creativity and learning capability seems to have moved up a notch. During the prayer I've only 'zoned out' once or twice.

Thank you Laura for this program.

 

[agni]

[quote author=Perceval]
Just for the sake of clarity here, "keeping emotions below the neck" does not mean not expressing emotions, it means not allowing emotions (or emotional energy) to be "usurped" by the intellect and converted into theories etc. It is better to simply express the emotion as it is, in some way or other.[/quote]

If I got it correctly, it's going through emotions / living them / feeling them as they are, without rationalization, suppression. However, at the same time keeping an eye on self not to "lash" on others because of going through these emotions. Yes ?


[quote author=Bo]
Most people avoid their (painful)emotions by supressing them, in this process the invidual believes that he has moved on, if someone looks at ones own painful emotions, it's quite clear that you will experience suffering, but this suffering is needed for you to accept the emotion, understand the emotion, and move beyond it.[/quote]

Right, because what is described is disassociating from emotions, surprising would only burry them further. It seems to be STS mode of "work" in attempt to skip emotional center.

Thank you for the quotes. They are very helpful indeed !

 

[endgame]

I've noticed that in the last three months or so, warts that I've had for most of my life are going away. I decided to look up warts on the forum and I came across this page for anyone interested:

http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=9475.0

Actually, I've been 'plagued' not with warts, but with terrible acne (some were huge blisters of blood and puss) on my back for about 2-3 years.
I went to a skin doctor, his treatment helped some but I couldnt get rid of it. Well, since doing EE I have no acne or blisters on my back, they gradually
disapeared. I got one wart on my right hand, and I'm keeping an eye on it ;)

 

[endgame]

Oh, I forgot to mention a strange thing that happened during todays ba-ha session.
At the end of it the usual energy was felt through my body, especially in my hands as they formed into some kind of 'hooks' (in lack of a better word)- like you can see on crippled or old people. I could not straighten them out no matter what. Also my mouth shaped in a strange gaping form. I felt almost helpless. As the meditation began this gradually decreased.

 

[shijing]

I also had an interesting experience during the beatha section today -- I haven't really had any other specific reactions to the program so far outside of hunger after the sessions, so it took me off guard. In about the middle, I suddenly started to feel like there was a big wheel in the middle of my chest, about the size of a dinner plate, that started spinning all of a sudden. It was spinning clockwise from my vantage point (from my left to my right), and each time I took in a breath (BA) it seemed to add energy to the spinning, and then when I breathed out (HA) it would lose some energy. I wondered if it was just tingling from hyperventilating, but I usually only get that (if at all) in my extremities, not in the middle of my chest, and the feeling of a spinning disc (almost seeming to have blades or spokes, like a fan) was rather strong. I thought about trying to continue it past the normal duration of the beatha section, but decided I should stay within the parameters of the program. As soon as I stopped the beatha section and went into the meditation, the spinning feeling calmed down rather quickly and then went away completely.

Has anyone else had this kind of experience? I tried to skim the thread and I also did a forum search, but I don't see a description exactly like this -- apologies if I missed it. I know it sounds like some sort of a chakra thing, which I have no experience with whatsoever. I am curious to see if it happens again when I do the full program again on Thursday.

 

[knowledge_of_self]

Hi everyone:

Last night before I went to bed I actually did the last portion of the program where laura reads the Divine Cosmic Mind and ended up going to sleep like that. I had a dream and the only part of it I can remember is crying to Laura and telling her I was sorry, and she was caressing my hair and telling me "it's alright!" and laughing... not laughing at me or anything just laughing and she hugged me... when I woke up I had never felt like I had slept better.

After school when I checked my mail box, I saw that my EE DVD had arrived. I told myself that I would start the program with or without it today, and the universe said here you go! So i received it, and after doing my homework popped it in and did the full program.

Things I noted were the fact that my back really hurt after doing the exercise bit, and sitting crossed leg for a while doing the breathing. It hurt until I lay down to go into the meditation, and once I lay down it went away. During the meditation, my fingers did tingle and so did my toes. I did drift a couple of times thinking of my school, but other than that I kept clear focus on Laura's words. Although I kept my eyes closed, I felt like everything was lit after a few minutes of doing the meditation. I did the meditation until she counted to 5, and feel really hungry. (I just finished it like 10 min a go) Also, I can't help but take in deep breaths, or did until I started this post. Oh and right before the meditation, like during the BA-HA my nose started to burn lol I'm sure all these sensations have been talked about on here, I really need to read all this thread. Anyway I just wanted to share my experience, and send my thanks especially to Laura, and all of you.

I'm going to try and do this program as often as I can during the week, and make SURE to do it on Mondays and Thursdays (no excuses!) I'm so excited to be doing the full program, I feel like I can face any challenge right now.. though I better not dare the 'matrix' lol :P

Anyway thank you!

 

[RedFox]

Oh, I forgot to mention a strange thing that happened during todays ba-ha session.
At the end of it the usual energy was felt through my body, especially in my hands as they formed into some kind of 'hooks' (in lack of a better word)- like you can see on crippled or old people. I could not straighten them out no matter what. Also my mouth shaped in a strange gaping form. I felt almost helpless. As the meditation began this gradually decreased.

Hi Axis Mundi
Both of those effects tend to happen when someone hyperventilates. So if it a problem, try backing off breathing too deeply on the Ba-Ha portion (this is what I do if it gets too much).

Last night before I went to bed I actually did the last portion of the program where laura reads the Divine Cosmic Mind and ended up going to sleep like that. I had a dream and the only part of it I can remember is crying to Laura and telling her I was sorry, and she was caressing my hair and telling me "it's alright!" and laughing... not laughing at me or anything just laughing and she hugged me... when I woke up I had never felt like I had slept better.

Actually, now you mention it I had a dream with Laura in last week (I think last Monday), she was asking me many things (which I don't remember). The one thing I do remember went something like 'Ok, lets start simple/at the beginning. What would you like to eat/Would you like a smoothie' (and I got the impression she was offering a berry smoothie, I love those)....and I said 'Yes please...' and she looked at me in a certain way and I realised I was not being externally considerate towards her. I said something like 'I apologise, would you like me to make you a smoothie? You may have to show me the recipe again, but I will happily make one for you' (for some reason I'd forgotton it??? either that or I was unsure of my ability to provide exactly what was being asked for....which again was internal considering osit)
I get the feeling this relates to 'be my daily bread, as I give bread to others'.

Coincidentally (having forgotten about the dream until now) after last Thursdays full session, Friday to Sunday I had loads of excess energy and appeared to be seeing myself/the world differently. Compared to my usual state I was being very externally considerate....at least in some areas anyway (with all things its a work in progress). I plowed through loads of my girlfriends housework and really enjoyed it!! :)
It was quite a marked change, and I wanted to wait until after Mondays full program before posting about it (just in case it was a one off). I haven't quite managed to bring it to my work place, but I can sort of feel it below the surface....guess I just need to keep practicing. But boy did it feel natural to me to be in that state, it was almost blissful.

Things I noted were the fact that my back really hurt after doing the exercise bit, and sitting crossed leg for a while doing the breathing.

As Laura mentions in the video part, you can do the stretches/program sitting in a chair, this is how I do it too.

 

[Breton]

Things I noted were the fact that my back really hurt after doing the exercise bit, and sitting crossed leg for a while doing the breathing.

As Laura mentions in the video part, you can do the stretches/program sitting in a chair, this is how I do it too.

Let me add that because I start to feel stiff sitting cross-legged for too long, I just uncross my legs from time to time during the breathing, and then put them back. This shifts my position for both the legs and also the back position. If I don't do that, then also I often feel my back hurting for a while when I lie down on my back to do the meditation.

I have now done the full program about 15 times since early August.

 

[aragorn]

Oh, I forgot to mention a strange thing that happened during todays ba-ha session.
At the end of it the usual energy was felt through my body, especially in my hands as they formed into some kind of 'hooks' (in lack of a better word)- like you can see on crippled or old people. I could not straighten them out no matter what. Also my mouth shaped in a strange gaping form. I felt almost helpless. As the meditation began this gradually decreased.

Hi Axis Mundi! Don't worry this is a completely normal reaction, I've experienced it many times with my bioenergetic therapist. In this article you can find the following quote:

Parasthesia, tetanus and tremors, oh my!
The challenge is complicated by the fact that bioenergetic breathing tends to cause three harmless but potentially alarming side-effects: parasthesia, tetanus, and tremors. Sounds dramatic, doesn’t it? Well, it is kind of exciting. This is powerful stuff. But these experiences really are harmless, and they tend to go away with practice. I myself went through them and came out the other side many years ago. Parasthesia simply means “altered sensation,” usually in the form of tingling that starts around the mouth, at the fingertips and in the toes. As it advances and spreads, it is usually accompanied by tetanus — sustained but mild contraction of muscles. The hands and feet tend to “claw up,” and your lips will feel like you’ve just been to the dentist! This is different than spasm, and it is more stiff than painful. It wears off quickly. Finally, tremors may sweep through the body erratically, perhaps favouring a specific limb or side, but this too passes rapidly — and should actually be indulged when it occurs. Let yourself shake. Be free! Martial arts and yoga practitioners may study their entire lives without knowing the sensation of qi.

These symptoms are produced by an altered mind-body state, both physiological and psychological. The tetanus is a consequence of some changes in blood chemistry. The tingling is the sensation of qi — when your hands are tingling fiercely with qi, it feels like you are holding balls of fire. It’s a very distinctive sensation, and a privilege to experience. I often explain to people that martial arts and yoga practitioners may study for their entire lives without knowing the sensation of qi, simply because they don’t breathe enough. The tendency to tremor is a “letting go.” We are all hanging on tightly to so very much, including out own bodies. The breathing shakes us loose. I advise you not to try to stop it. I must emphasize again that all of these side-effects are temporary. Bioenergetic breathing is not hyperventilation. It is not dangerous in any way. Any sensation you experience during breathing will go away as you slow down and stop.

So, IMHO these symptoms, allthough maybe unpleasant, are a very necessary stage of the "soul diving". It takes courage to let these things happen, but when one does, they usually have "a story to tell".

 

[RedFox]

So, IMHO these symptoms, allthough maybe unpleasant, are a very necessary stage of the "soul diving". It takes courage to let these things happen, but when one does, they usually have "a story to tell".

I now wonder if I shouldn't be backing off from this then?

 

[aragorn]

So, IMHO these symptoms, allthough maybe unpleasant, are a very necessary stage of the "soul diving". It takes courage to let these things happen, but when one does, they usually have "a story to tell".

I now wonder if I shouldn't be backing off from this then?

I think that this question about the "side effects" like people have described in this thread needs more research and debate. I feel a bit guilty of "pushing" this Bioenergetic-principle here because I yet really don't have expertice in this field - I'm just so eager to get this information out (maybe some residue from narcissistic upbringing here; a program running wild?). But on the other hand the Bioneregetic approach is the only one I have own experience as a client with my therapist and recently through this therapist training I started.

So, if I've understood it correctly, the Bioenergetic bunch believes that these tremors, cramps etc. are manifestations of more energy (qi) being freed for use - the body isn't just yet ready to handle the increased amount of energy, "lagging behind". This maybe true, or maybe not. I really need to read and learn more about this. I believe the C's stated in a recent session that e.g. the "super fast breathing" may feel effective (causing some sensations) but isn't really doing that much beneficial. So, maybe some of the side effects or all are just effects of hyperventilation, dunno.

 

[endgame]

Hi Aragorn and RedFox, thanks for the info.
If I'm hyperventilating, it's strange that this happened just now after I've been doing the program for 2 months. I mean, I'm not breathing any deeper or faster than usual.

 

[Beorn]

I haven't posted in this thread for a while but there are a few interesting things I thought I would bring up.

First I'm not sure if this has already been posted somewhere but I think is worth mentioning. It's from Gnosis II where Mouravieff is talking about the stages of fusion.

[quote author="Gnosis II"]
THIRD STAGE. - Warmth.

We must not take this word as merely symbolic. Real heat is born in us
when the inward friction becomes sufficiently intense and is used rationally.
It happens in exactly the same way as where heat is produced when
two bits of dry wood are rubbed together. Of course, for this one must
have dry wood. The attentive reader will understand the esoteric meaning of
these words.

When we feel this heat we can be sure that we are on the right track. The
sweetness it brings never satiates us.

We have seen that this heat can come from the proper use of circumstances;
but it can also be provoked by certain prayers. The friction then
comes in the middle of an act of presence, of the confrontation of the 'I' of
our Personality, in its lowliness and its weakness, with the Thou of God's
infinity. The power of the prayer depends on the intensity of feeling which
is born of this opposition and which is felt as a result of the double nature
of the emotional centre. Pride, even the smallest trace of it, renders this
confrontation ino erative. The well-known traditional maxim says: God
resisteth the proud.

The heat is produced by the feeling which is born of this confrontation,
and not by the words of the prayer. Besides, in this case, the prayer must be
short so that the heart can recite it unceasingly, inwardly, and can then
preserve its inmost meaning while abandoning its form and the words of
which it is composed. If one succeeds in this, the heart experiences an
ineffable transport of joy, which is something we should try very hard to
obtain.

A Practical Pointer.

We reach this progressively. Firstly, we must recite the prayer aloud;
then we form the words with our lips without producing any sound and,
lastly, we say it in spirit. The alert reader will understand the meaning of
this method. Its application is individual and is one of the group of daily
exercises which form the Pravilo (Rule).

In Orthodox monastic practice they use the Jesus Prayer to this end. It is
repeated as follows:

Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God
Have mercy on me, a sinner!

In monasteries and convents it is repeated ten or even twenty thousand
times a day. Those who work in the world are recommended to recite this
prayer in series each of twelve times, that is, three times as written above,
then repeated four times. We should repeat from one to four recitations a
day in this way.
[/quote]

I have been reciting the prayer each night while I work. Sometimes for 2 or 3 hours. I try not to just recite it but to become it. Most often I forget but I keep reminding myself 'Be the prayer, don't just say it.'

Since putting in more effort to BE the prayer I have noticed a growing intensity, well more like a desire, when I do the program. I listened to one of my old meditation cd's today. It was relaxing, but then I went straight into the Prayer of the Soul meditation and instantly felt this pull around my heart and a sense of longing.

A few (what I think are) OBE's. Lots of dreams. One I had a couple of times where I looked in the mirror and I had a single eye, like a cyclops. Then a second eye appeared above the first. The skin around it was red and sore. "Open my eyes that I may see."

Dreams mostly in the morning just before I wake up and often about what will happen in the day, or an idea for something to study, or talking with friends(Many I don't know in RL). I dreamt I was having a chat with Laura, then I woke up, checked the cass site and the first video had been released!

Occassionaly I will close my eyes to sleep, or just on waking up I can see... well my consciousness seems to be in a different place, like a pyramid or some other location, but I can open my eyes and be in my body... if that makes sense?

I've been getting massages, detoxing, praying a lot. Went pretty low for a while, kind of disorientated now. I think that's why I decided to start praying all the time, it just gave me something to hang on to.

Given all the discussion about 'soul smashing' and such this speech by Sam in LOTR inspired me.
Frodo had just turned on Sam(who just saved him) and then realizing what he had become sat down in despair. Made me think of how we can feel when we see the ugliness of who we are.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEMdXhfO-Wk

Also I think some people mentioned weight loss. I just received an email today about how deep breathing increases the oxygen in the blood which in turn "acts as a catalyst for oxidizing your fat." Fat is converted into gases which is then breathed out. Interesting.

JP.

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