Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

Laura said:
Aaron said:
agni said:
One thing that I found helpful to relief neck/shoulder pain in past days is sleeping on a floor, helped a lot.

FWIW I also sleep on the floor, originally spurred by chronic back/neck/shoulder/pretty-much-everywhere pain. One of my cats decided to turn my mattress into a litter box, and so I took the opportunity to just get rid of it and not replace it. I really didn't like it and felt it was just exacerbating my pain.

That was about 2 years ago. Been sleeping on the floor ever since. Generally I will sleep on a camping air-mattress (its maybe 1" thick, but it has a leak so it's mildly cushiony at best) but a lot of times I'll just "hit the fibers" :) I never miss my bed, and am glad that I stopped sleeping on it. Perhaps I could've invested in a better mattress or what not, but in the past 2 years my pain has lessened significantly and I think that a lack of a bed played at least some role.

Try a 100% latex mattress. I have a feather bed on top of mine. The pure rubber seems to be insulating and the organic feathers also. Really has helped with my morning aches and pains.

I tried a latex mattress and found it way too hot. It was OK in winter but I used to wake up sweating in summer, had to get rid of it. Was too hot even for my wife who is normally quite cold. We had to get a woollen under-blanket which went some way to ameliorating the effects. Then again I do seem to have a high core temperature - my wife often tells me I am radiating heat when we are in bed on summer nights.
 
Last session went well, got a little light exercise before-hand. I had less of a problem with yawning this time because I hung my head down, sitting cross legged, it seemed to prevent the yawning a little bit in that position.

The exercise combined with the alternate position seemed like one of my more productive sessions. :)

I felt like I was starting to see these lights ya'll are talking about, but probably not. :rolleyes:
 
Hi everyone, I'm still about 20 pages behind on this thread, but I wanted to share what I thought is my first "zoning out" experience. It happened on last Thursday's session during the POTS portion. I thought that I was on the last cycle of the prayer and was about half way through it. The next thing I know I hear Laura saying "Oh Divine Cosmic Mind." I didn't have any memory of dreaming or being aware during this small timeless moment, and it was really surprising and strange. I don't think I fell asleep or nodded off because I've done so before and I can usually recall that I was dreaming during these experiences. I guess it could have been dreamless sleep for a few seconds though. But I have never "zoned out" before, only daydreamed or nodded off for a few seconds. FWIW
 
3D Student said:
Hi everyone, I'm still about 20 pages behind on this thread, but I wanted to share what I thought is my first "zoning out" experience. It happened on last Thursday's session during the POTS portion. I thought that I was on the last cycle of the prayer and was about half way through it. The next thing I know I hear Laura saying "Oh Divine Cosmic Mind." I didn't have any memory of dreaming or being aware during this small timeless moment, and it was really surprising and strange. I don't think I fell asleep or nodded off because I've done so before and I can usually recall that I was dreaming during these experiences. I guess it could have been dreamless sleep for a few seconds though. But I have never "zoned out" before, only daydreamed or nodded off for a few seconds. FWIW

Yes, it's quite an experience having no thoughts coming into the mind (wherever they come from) and having it be still for a little bit. I never thought I could meditate and "stop the chattering monkey", first time for me was during a Reiki attunement. I had much the same question of whether I had nodded off or not. I hadn't, the mind had just decided to take a rest.
 
Hi everyone,

I wanted to give a little summary of what has happened since the beginning of the EE, and particularly in these last few months when I stopped posting. Not until recently did I really understand that sharing my experience on this forum was actually networking. I’m thick like that sometimes.. I tend to think that my experience and opinion is of no value here, with all these people knowing 100 times more than I do. It’s a common feeling, I know. It’s made a bit worse by the fact that I discovered this forum through my husband, making me feel that I’m “just along for the ride”, so to speak, like I don’t deserve to be here, I guess.
In my mind and my heart, it’s not true of course, I’m dedicated to the work, the breathing programme, etc. but my narcissistic wound still very much gets in the way when it comes to posting on the forum.
I apologize for that.

Beatha: At the very beginning of the programme, in July, during the beatha, I was experimenting weird ‘animal’ sensations. It’s difficult to describe – and I must admit that I feel silly and ‘ashamed’ to do so – but I was feeling like I was a spider, a goat, an eagle. It did not last long. I quickly began seeing faces, being in streets I did not know, in people’s living rooms, etc. As mentioned before, sometimes the people would look at me as well, which was scary/stressful to me. I was also seeing (and still do) almost sytematically grids or square patterns during the more intense section of the beatha. Sometimes weird shapes (like contemporary art sculptures) are superimposed on these grids.
Just after the beatha, my arms and legs would be tingling but that sensation is rare now.

POTS: At the very beginning (when we only had the POTS but no programme), I felt immediately that this meditation was different than the others. When I used to meditate, I would see colour dots moving, changing shapes, but it was about as far as it would go. But here, the very first time, I was feeling like I had a metronome inside of me, and that my body was slowly accomodating to this new rhythm. I really felt a balancing, a ‘tuning in’ happening. It was strange and very nice at the same time.
Then there was the colour shapes period, which I was accustomed to. I was frustrated at the time because everybody was zoning out and I wasn’t. Then I began zoning out, which was a very particular experience, like you are suspended in time. I felt.. unplugged and really really liked it, since I’m always so “on” all the time. The whole programme always make me feel like I just had a three hour nap, completely rested and relaxed. That had never happened to me with ‘normal’ meditation.

The first few weeks, my sleep was deeper , then it got problematic and I was waking up every hour for weeks, feeling like a truck had run me over (a common feeling, I read here). Now I sleep 6 hours a night and wake up naturally. This is really not a lot for me but it seems that my body feels right with this new rhythm. This may be transitory…

At the beginning of the programme, I also had a neurotic fear of not being sick enough compared to some, fearing that I was in fact so sick I could not even detoxify anymore! (How twisted I can be..). Physically, the programme had not affected me that much. But three months ago, I began coughing. I coughed for a month (for no ‘apparent’ reasons, so I assumed that it was the programme) and then I got the flu. My doctor told me it was the swine flu and I tend to believe him, since I have never been so miserable in my life and it particularly targeted my lungs. I used to have severe asthma and nearly died as a child because of it, so I was worried. The flu did not last more than several days, but the asthma and the coughing remained for two months. I was sleeping half sitting because otherwise I would suffocate. I had a really hard time getting back to normal but with the help of the FIR blanket, I’m getting there now.
I don’t know what was the part of the flu and what was the part of the breathing programme in this ‘disease’. Probably a bit of both.
My morale was really low throughout this period, switching from despondant to aggressive. My shortcomings were so apparent to me.

On a positive note, there have been many improvements in my life since I began the programme: For the first time in my life, I don’t wish I was somewhere else, doing something else, etc. I feel I’m just where I’m supposed to be, doing what I’m supposed to do. When I realize that, I feel so strong and optimistic, that’s a wonderful feeling. I also feel content a lot more and in a more intense way: being at home with my husband and daughter, watching them play makes me want to cry out of gratefulness and happiness. I manage stress really differently: when a problem arises at work, I notice that I often totally forget about it for days, whereas I would have previously obsessed about it until a solution was found.
 
Thanks Mrs. Tigersoap for inspiring words!

I would like to have some one paragraph "testimonials" to include with our new video similar to that last paragraph that Mrs. T wrote. It's just perfect. Send them to info(at)paleochristianity.org and let us know your first name, last initial, occupation, to include with the clip.
 
Yeah, thanks Mrs Tigersoap.
I can recognize myself in most of your statements.

As for the breathing program, I stopped doing it for a while as everytime I decide to do it, I just automatically feel so exhausted I was even not able to move and I end up deeply sleeping at the same place. But I realized that this must be something (one or many of my little "I's"?) trying to prevent me to gain benefit from this program. I decided to put it at the top of my "must do" things once I am back at home from work as from today. Everything will become secondary.

Edit: grammar.
 
[quote author=Laura]Thanks Mrs. Tigersoap for inspiring words! [/quote]

You're welcome Laura! I've sent the testimonial as requested.

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Yeah, thanks Mrs Tigersoap.
I can recognize myself in most of your statements. As for the breathing program, I stopped doing it for a while as everytime I decide to do it, I just automatically feel so exhausted I was even not able to move and I end up deeply sleeping at the same place. But I realized that this must be something (one or many of my little "I's"?) trying to prevent me to gain benefit from this program. I decided to put it at the top of my "must do" things once I am back at home from work as from today. Everything will become secondary.[/quote]

You're welcome. Yes, I can only encourage you to do so, because it's an amazing programme, and once you begin to be really dedicated to it, you'll find you cannot stop! At least, that's how I feel. Every night, the constricted breathing followed by the POTS (several times) and on Monday and Thursday, the whole thing. I have never stuck to anything quite like that before, so I'm sorry if I seem over enthusiastic. It's just unlike anything I tried before.
 
A small update: I've been having trouble calming my mind during the meditation sessions. The work of the day occupies my thoughts and I'm running through ideas, book sources, etc. So in order to better direct my attention, during the pipe-breathing I've started adding a visualization element. Another reason for this is that I need practice with imagination and "internal projection". So for the breathing I really focus on the counting of which breath I'm on. I imagine myself in a small room or cave and, for #1, for example, I picture a large 3D "1", which I interact with: sit on, climb, hang on. I've found it helps me focus my attention and I don't lose track of which breath I'm on. Last night, after doing this, during the POTS, I had another "light" experience similar to the one I described earlier (where I saw a lighthouse during meditation and it startled me out of the light trance). This time, very suddenly an intense flame (like a strong stream of gas which has been lit) appeared in the center of vision of my mind's eye and burned for just a split second. It even had a loud roaring sound. The light, as well as the sound, startled me and I "woke up" from it. Other than that, nothing interesting to report!
 
Windmill knight said:
Of course I was tempted to think of the whole China connection as a possible past/alternate life, but someone made the observation to me that if it had anything of real, it could also be an instance of connecting to universal psychic information - the collective unconscious perhaps - and as so it could be someone else's life I was dreaming about, not even mine.

I've been reading "The Eighth Tower" by John Keel, and reached a point where he mentions things similar to Laura's descriptions in the following quotes. And I think that this information might apply to dreams too, since we are in a much more open and receptive (even vulnerable?) state while asleep.

Laura said:
Generally, when certain channels/circuits begin to clear and open, but are not yet tuned, all kinds of stuff gets picked up. It's like turning on a radio receiver or a TV that is "between stations" or receiving interference. You can see faces, hear sounds, experience all kinds of interdimensional stuff. The key is to not get distracted by that stuff. Keep your eyes and focus on the light/knowledge.

There's a lot of great material about this sort of thing in the work of Ibn al-Arabi. A good source for this is William Chittick's "The Sufi Path of Knowledge." Just ignore all the references to "the prophet" and Islam and penetrate to the cosmology and discussions of knowledge and unveiling and so on.

If anyone is familiar with this material, you can find some appropriate passages to quote about "stations" etc.

Laura said:
The dreams I was having were pretty powerful, too. A lot of stuff was just dumping. I was living a lot of the time between two realities. I could close my eyes and still see... I heard constant conversations kind of like what is described in "Operators and Things". Some of it was creepy. I slept with a radio playing all night long and put yellow bug lights on the porches and left them on all night.

Of course, there IS a possibility that such dreams are an indication that person in question might be processing a past life or this life experiences or traumas. I surely been having lot of disturbing dreams lately, and hope that it is getting me somewhere. Perhaps there are many other things that might be going on, especially if this process is designed to fine tune our 'receptors'. There is also a possibility that we might be even experiencing or dreaming about events or traumas that are not ours but of people who are close o us or to whose frequency we are tuned for some reason. Bottom line is, the possibilities are endless. Maybe the only way to distinguish what is what (if at all) is by observing the intensity of the experience. I think it might be feeling much more close and personal if it is a real inner stuff that is being processed than just a peculiar event. Hmm..on the other hand, things that are not essentially ours but are drawn to our frequency might feel the same. So don't know what is the best way to approach it. Maybe just let it be and let it pass would work?

So here is the relevant quote from Eighth Tower:

The extradimensional world is not a place where trees grow and politicians steal. It is a state of energy. All kinds of information about our trivial reality are stored in the energy field through a system of particles or units of energy in a negative or positive state, just as our brains store information by opening and closing billions of nerve switches called synapses. The field is like a massive radio wave, and certain human brains have the ability to rune into it. Some of these brains are adjusted to the frequency of the hank of future data. So they receive glimpses of the future in sudden thoughts, visions (images in the conscious mind), dreams (images in the unconscious mind), or a combination of all three. Since the superspectrum is outside our time frame, its system for measuring time is different from ours, and few humans with precognition are able to unscramble the time cycle of the future events. Even our best prophets have difficulty pinpointing the exact
dates and times of future events.

Some human receivers not only pick up information from this field, their minds are so sensitive that the data is translated into words in their native language and piped along their auditory nerves to their brains so they seem to hear a voice; relating the information. This is called clairaudience. Like any conventional radio receiver, the brains of sensitives are subject to much static. The rubbish from the lower ESP band constantly filters through to becloud the information being received by precognition and clairaudience. While foretelling the future is a rare gift, millions of earthlings have some ESP powers. Their brains are channeled to the superspectrum band, which is largely devoid of any other kind of information. Imagine this as a CB (citizen's hand) radio frequency flooded with the chatter of children using toy walkie-talkies, taxi-cab dispatchers, and housewives chatting with their neighbors on CB sets. It is a mess, and if you tune into it with a powerful receiver, you will pick up a torrent of nonsense and jabberwocky. The ESP hand of the superspectrum is just as cluttered.

Then, too, the capricious human mind throws up a smoke screen of its own. If it has been programmed to accept religious, occult. or scientific beliefs, the mind can infect these beliefs into the messages being received. But the receiver thinks he or she is hearing directly from God, the late Aunt Clara, or Ashtar, the big cheese in the Great Intergalactic Federation. The bodiless voice will even assume the chosen identity. Thousands of years ago men figured out that the 'spirits' who came through in the seances were impostors and poseurs. The static from the ESP band creates mischievous, sometimes even evil patterns, because the majority of all human minds are preoccupied with greed, ego, and lust. If the clairvoyant's mind is tuned more to the lower ESP scale than to the higher databank circuit, a large part of the information that comes through will be colored by the thought processes of the billions of minds groveling in everyday trivia. While all these minds may not be able to read each other, they are all broadcasting on the superspectrum, and that great energy field is blindly recording all that worthless material. A clairvoyant has to be able to tune to desired parts of the superspectrum selectively and not too many are able to do this successfully. So seances and even scientific experiments in parapsychology are cluttered with all kinds of garbage.

Adjoining clairaudience is a purely medical phenomenon - schizophrenia. Schizoid personalities also hear voices. Very often these voices urge them tn commit arson and murder. Psychiatric theories for this are numberless,.but actually we don't know mush about schizophrenia. Some doctors now think it has a medical cause. A few years ago a substance found in the blood of schizophrenics was injected into spiders and they began to spin crazy, misshapen webs. Others have found that some schizophrenics respond to massive doses of vitamins. But the disease is still regarded as incurable. Like the clairvoyant, the schizophrenic clothes his voices with an identity. He thinks he is talking with a saint, a great personage from the past, or a Martian from outer space. In some cases, the unconscious mind seems to take over the conscious mind, and all of the victim's repressed fears and hostilitics surface in overt action. But it is possible that some schizoids are tuning in to the jumble of rubbish that fills the ESP band, and they are sorting out thoughts that represent their own attitudes and beliefs. Clairvoyants do not lose control of their own personalities, but schizoid types do. ln many ways, schizophrenia is a kind of mediumship gone awry.
 
Megapode said:
Hi Cubbex,
You might want to consider keeping a journal of your thoughts and daily activities. It's easier to detect programs and changes in your thinking if you have something to refer to. It's a tool for Self Remembering that will help you determine if you are purifying and cleaning yourself.

Everyone will progress with this program differently. If you aren't getting 'results' from the program as it is now, you can increase the frequency of the round breathing (Ba-Ha) portion or you can leave it out for a couple of weeks and see what happens. Experiment with it and see what happens. :)
What do you mean by increasing the Ba-Ha portion?
And the thing that I'm seeing these last days is, like you know, I turn on the Tv and I see MTV or another channel and I just see the people of today and I see that they are totally lost, but I can't clean some feelings and thoughts completely, and I see that my hobbies now are not so fun as they were in the past
 
Approaching Infinity said:
A small update: I've been having trouble calming my mind during the meditation sessions. The work of the day occupies my thoughts and I'm running through ideas, book sources, etc. So in order to better direct my attention, during the pipe-breathing I've started adding a visualization element. Another reason for this is that I need practice with imagination and "internal projection". So for the breathing I really focus on the counting of which breath I'm on. I imagine myself in a small room or cave and, for #1, for example, I picture a large 3D "1", which I interact with: sit on, climb, hang on. I've found it helps me focus my attention and I don't lose track of which breath I'm on. Last night, after doing this, during the POTS, I had another "light" experience similar to the one I described earlier (where I saw a lighthouse during meditation and it startled me out of the light trance). This time, very suddenly an intense flame (like a strong stream of gas which has been lit) appeared in the center of vision of my mind's eye and burned for just a split second. It even had a loud roaring sound. The light, as well as the sound, startled me and I "woke up" from it. Other than that, nothing interesting to report!

Very good. I often use visualization myself. One of my favorites is to try to visualize a large drop of water.

Let me suggest that ya'll do pipe breathing (three stage breathing) in the mornings, round breathing early in the evening on the days you do that (2 times a week unless you have left it off for a reason) and JUST the meditation, starting with a few pipe breaths in the evenings. It appears that the 3 stage breathing is too energizing and the round breathing can bring up disturbances to sleep.

Ya'll keep in mind that all I did for years was pipe breathing leading into meditation and that did the trick. So you CAN dispense with the rest if time is a constraint.
 
Ya'll keep in mind that all I did for years was pipe breathing leading into meditation and that did the trick. So you CAN dispense with the rest if time is a constraint.

Thanks for mentioning this, I often put off EE because I think I have to do it all! :D
 
Laura said:
Let me suggest that ya'll do pipe breathing (three stage breathing) in the mornings, round breathing early in the evening on the days you do that (2 times a week unless you have left it off for a reason) and JUST the meditation, starting with a few pipe breaths in the evenings. It appears that the 3 stage breathing is too energizing and the round breathing can bring up disturbances to sleep.

That was my experience. I found that doing the 3 stage and round breathing earlier in the day not only energized me for the day, but also just doing the meditation at night made it easier to fall asleep than doing it all before bed.

For the meditation, I think I'll try to use visualization like AI mentioned. I also have trouble calming my mind for that portion so I end up running through thoughts during the prayer. The visualization process sounds like a good way to get deep into meditation.
 
Heimdallr said:
For the meditation, I think I'll try to use visualization like AI mentioned. I also have trouble calming my mind for that portion so I end up running through thoughts during the prayer. The visualization process sounds like a good way to get deep into meditation.

I'm thinking that we need to create some meditation tracks without words for those who have memorized the POTS. Just reciting it in your mind without prompting from the outside can be enough to master what is going on in your head.
 
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