Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Marcus-Aurelius]

On Wednesday, I had my first session without any zoning out episode!
For someone who has seen zoning out as an integral part of the breathing session, it was an event!
It seems the sessions are more energizing for me; I don't feel myself in the same miserable state when I couldn't do the program during the last two months.
I still have a long road to go though regarding body energy.

Don't know why you people are trying to avoid zoning... that's when all the soul activity takes place.

Actually, I don't personnally avoid it, it just happened naturally and it seems curious to me and worth noticing as in the past, I always zoned out during the program. This was the first time and I wonder if there is any reason for it. This was what I tried to convey by "it was an event" because it really was curious to me.

Edit: grammar.

 

[Jacques]

Don't know why you people are trying to avoid zoning... that's when all the soul activity takes place.

I always zone out. Mai i say that when i come back, the feeling is always great.

 

[Laura]

Don't know why you people are trying to avoid zoning... that's when all the soul activity takes place.

I think I can relate because it feels like there is nothing happening because you don't remember anything, at least in my case, you just unplug and then you're back.
It's like you went to the greatest party ever but can't figure out what happened there.

Q: Okay, I want to find out about this Jack and the Beanstalk and the "giant meaning"
you have talked about in the recent past. Not only that, but you have continuously hinted
that something is just around the corner, and we are getting to the point where we are
thinking that there is just simply not going to be enough time to do anything. Ark's got
800 pages of Maxwell to go through; he can't stop working to do that; 800 pages of
equations is a lot of work - like months of hard work - and, time is passing - four years
have gone by, and zip! I'm not getting impatient here, but time is going and you guys are
6th density and it means nothing to you... but we're getting older. What we are supposed
to do, if we are supposed to do something to make the connection for things to move?
A: You are so anxious. Perhaps you should examine the ground covered, or were you
just as close 10 years back?
Q: Well, ten years ago I didn't wear glasses. I didn't need 'em either! I could thread a
needle! I mean, this thing called time has a profound effect on physiology whether you
guys notice it or not! I know, it's the soul that counts, but my thought is that we are in
these bodies, and it has been subtly suggested that we are in these present vehicles to DO
something.
A: But is it not a great adventure?
Q: Well, lately it has been a lot of working and slaving. Working to pay the bills. Then
we had to survive this period when the company wasn't paying our invoices, so we had to
borrow on our credit cards, now we have to pay that back AND live at the same time. So,
boom! Work, work, work!
A: So maybe you should return to the way things were when we first contacted you?
Q: No! I'm not complaining!
A: Yes, you are, though in a gentle way.
Q: Well, I mean you did so much, you brought us together, did all these things... and...
A: And you think there is no more?
Q: Well, no... but...
A: But what?!?
Q: Well, we're together and we are happy. And because we are together and happy we
feel like we should be getting things accomplished... that there are...
A: And you are not?
Q: Not in a big useful way.
A: So say you. Thank goodness you ain't an expert in this judgement arena!
Q: So, you are saying that, even though it appears to us on the surface that nothing is
happening, that at some level, something IS happening?
A: Oh, yeah!! So... Quit yer bitchin.
Q: Is it too much for me to ask for you to give me just one teensy tinesy little hint about
what is going on at these other levels that we are not aware of that is so important?
A: You may ask.
Q: Well, I did. Just give me a little bitty hint... a three word clue... Something to calm me
down. Something to make me sleep well at night and that will let me know that all is
right with the world...
A: RAM.
Q: That's the clue?
A: Yes.
Q: Was that an abbreviation or a word?
A: Seek and ye shall find.
Q: (A) RAM. Random Access Memory.
A: Yes.

 

[Oxajil]

Q: So, you are saying that, even though it appears to us on the surface that nothing is
happening, that at some level, something IS happening?

A: Oh, yeah!! So... Quit yer bitchin.

Q: Is it too much for me to ask for you to give me just one teensy tinesy little hint about
what is going on at these other levels that we are not aware of that is so important?

A: You may ask.

Q: Well, I did. Just give me a little bitty hint... a three word clue... Something to calm me
down. Something to make me sleep well at night and that will let me know that all is
right with the world...

A: RAM.

Q: That's the clue?

A: Yes.

Q: Was that an abbreviation or a word?

A: Seek and ye shall find.

Q: (A) RAM. Random Access Memory.

A: Yes.

Wow that's quite interesting! I've often thought that whenever I zone out, it was because I'm too tired. But maybe more is happening than I think/assume.

 

[abstract]

So if we are doing the program and zone out, should we just let it be? Or should we pick up where we left off at the time of zone-out?

 

[Oxajil]

So if we are doing the program and zone out, should we just let it be? Or should we pick up where we left off at the time of zone-out?

I think that you can just continue doing the program, I don't think you have to ''go back'' and do what you ''missed''

Here's what I read in the FAQ that might be interesting:

The "master," or higher self intelligence possesses a deeper faculty than material intelligence, because it exists in a state of limitlessness, which gives great breadth to its intelligence, while the brain of the body, which is what enables us to manifest "mind" is limited by material horizon. The higher intellectual center has the ability to perceive everything at one moment. This greater range of observation would obviously burn out the circuits of the physical brain which runs a lot of programs and loops that are tied to physical circuits. So this is why, mainly, zoning occurs. You simply could not handle what your higher self perceives. Not yet, anyway.

edit: misunderstood

 

[Buddy]

{...}
Q: Is it too much for me to ask for you to give me just one teensy tinesy little hint about
what is going on at these other levels that we are not aware of that is so important?
A: You may ask.
Q: Well, I did. Just give me a little bitty hint... a three word clue... Something to calm me
down. Something to make me sleep well at night and that will let me know that all is
right with the world...
A: RAM.
Q: That's the clue?
A: Yes.
Q: Was that an abbreviation or a word?
A: Seek and ye shall find.
Q: (A) RAM. Random Access Memory.
A: Yes.

Wow! The Universal computer (figuratively speaking), or perhaps, the body as a 'node' in the network of greater Mind.

 

[endgame]

Sometimes when I zone out I remember small bits and pieces but it doesn't make much sense to me after, almost like some strange dream images.
Also, the words to the prayer seem to have a complete different meaning and when I come to I try to make sense of it but I don't know even where to begin.
It could be that I just fall asleep and the whole thing actually is a dream, lol.

 

[Psalehesost]

I haven't posted any update in quite a while as there wasn't yet anything new to note.

I've tried thrice to cut out the beatha part as suggested by Laura to those who have nothing happening.

The last thing I noted (now way back) in this thread was getting a bit zony during the sessions (this pretty much phased out though, it seems) and generally quite unfocused during the later parts - I might add that during the meditation part I often simply ended up breathing to the reading of the POTS in the background, focusing more or less on the prayer for a moment now and then before my focus waned again, leaving me completely passive.

Since cutting out beatha, each time doing the meditation portion has been significantly more focused and getting closer - not quite there yet - to actually meditating properly. The visualization suggestions might come in handy now.

The idea of a good background track and simply reciting the prayer oneself as now discussed by others sounds very good to me - when I truly focus, I find the reading of the POTS in the background to be distracting, as I then have to follow its pace (diverting focus towards this synchronization whenever off) or get mentally thrown off-track, as happens otherwise.

Let me suggest that ya'll do pipe breathing (three stage breathing) in the mornings, round breathing early in the evening on the days you do that (2 times a week unless you have left it off for a reason) and JUST the meditation, starting with a few pipe breaths in the evenings. It appears that the 3 stage breathing is too energizing and the round breathing can bring up disturbances to sleep.

Then that - sounds very well - will be the next thing to test. Update at some point in the future.

 

[RedFox]

I just wanted to say thanks for some of the recent posts here.....its been going on for about a month now where I have had things come up I feel maybe I should vent about in the swamp or on the forum...only to think I should figure it out by myself, and I usually come up with quite a bit of stuff/make connections and see things differently. But I'm starting to think given that my focus on the program is faltering a bit (I can do it myself/don't need it), and that I feel I'm loosing momentum in some ways (and having old programs come back)...that doing it all myself is a Really bad idea.

I have tended to isolate myself in the past and think 'why is no one reaching out to me?'.....until I saw what I was doing. It seems this and the above are related....
I'm actually feeling quite blue at the moment due to one thing or another. I had to fight quite hard to come here and post that. Seems its something I need to learn to do. That main things seems to be to let it be and not dismiss or over think it.

I feel like I've been neglecting so much recently. Or at least between laziness, putting things off, getting distracted, getting side tracked, having something else get in the way or thinking I can do it by myself (later).....I feel....I don't know.

Anyway.

I've tried thrice to cut out the beatha part as suggested by Laura to those who have nothing happening.

The last thing I noted (now way back) in this thread was getting a bit zony during the sessions (this pretty much phased out though, it seems) and generally quite unfocused during the later parts - I might add that during the meditation part I often simply ended up breathing to the reading of the POTS in the background, focusing more or less on the prayer for a moment now and then before my focus waned again, leaving me completely passive.

Since cutting out beatha, each time doing the meditation portion has been significantly more focused and getting closer - not quite there yet - to actually meditating properly. The visualization suggestions might come in handy now.

I've noticed the same.

The battery in my mp3 player ran out Tuesday, so Wednesday night I did the POTS myself for a few rounds. About 5 minutes after finishing I suddenly had a rather odd vision. It was pretty strong too (gone when I opened my eyes, but right back there when I closed them)....quite detailed and bright. It was of a man laying on a stretcher. He sat up slightly and just stared at me. He was expressionless and I think he had his eyes shut....it was hard to tell because he was either badly burnt or at least very blackened from smoke/fire. I asked myself what I was looking at?
I noticed that the right side of his head (his left) had a pretty severe injury....his head was smashed open (just out of me view fortunately).
I remembered then Laura replying to someone else in this thread...

Last night while doing the POTS part of the whole meditation, I saw an image of a huge person with one eye in the center of her head

Funny, I've had the same images. or.. not so much images, maybe more like sensing an image. Sort of in the same way I could 'hear' colors when I was a kid.It's there, but it's NOT there really :/
Which suddenly reminded me, that I had a geometrical figure assigned to every color as a child, that went away as I grew older, and i can't remember much of it now. Feels like something of the same kind, is coming back up to the surface with the EE program.

Perceptions of the "spirit" world, for lack of a better term. Just hold steady as you pass through them.

Ok...so perhaps I tuned into something else....then I noticed a familiar sensation (on the left side of my head) that I posted about ages ago in Prolonged attack and countering it. So on the off chance it was a dead dude/attached spirit I suggested it find the light and go into it....
Nothing happened for a minute...it just stared at me waiting for something it seems.......I'm not sure but I think I wondered that if it was something attached to me, maybe I needed to let go of it? Either way the guy in the image sort of melted/turned to dust....and the familiar sensation on the left side of my head moved down the left side of my body and out my left foot.....
Very odd

I have no idea what it was....but thought I best make note of it.

 

[Divide by Zero]

Other than the diet, you can also probably get NAC from the pharmacy at a reasonable price, also make sure to be having extra vitamin C. Both will help you with the cold flu and also to fight the inflammation you currently have.

I can attest to the vitamin C doing wonders. Last week a co worker was sick and sneezing and a day later I started sneezing and feeling stuffyness in my sinus. I had not taken vitamin C powder for the days before that because I was so busy that I forgot to.

I took about 4 grams of vitamin C powder in water when I got home, and also right before to sleep. The next day I wasn't sneezing! Whew, normally this time of year I'd get sick at least once, especially because I work outdoors.

The meditation has been going well and I sort of free form visualize during the meditation. Sometimes I see the words of POTS, sometimes random images that I examine in "3d".

 

[tykes]

On Wednesday, I had my first session without any zoning out episode!
For someone who has seen zoning out as an integral part of the breathing session, it was an event!
It seems the sessions are more energizing for me; I don't feel myself in the same miserable state when I couldn't do the program during the last two months.
I still have a long road to go though regarding body energy.

Don't know why you people are trying to avoid zoning... that's when all the soul activity takes place.

In my case i was concern about dissociation, sometimes while zoning ocurrs i start to enjoy it, mainly because certain feeling of creativity, if i am listening background music (regularly Bach) as doing the program i feel i really get into the music, but then i fell into account that i´m distracted, so a sort of guilt feeling appears for being incapable to focus; i have to say most of the times when zone out i don´t remember details, but in a couple of times at least i have wrote music after that. It´s strange, precisely i was wandering if this zoning out it was something positive or not, and now that Laura clarified it i have another perspective.

 

[Oxajil]

Maybe worthy of noting as well:

During the program (one of the first times I did) I started to see mutated faces and children. It was really horrible. Reminded me of the after effect of an atomb bomb. I thought that maybe it's because of what I've seen in the movies, but the images just came from nowhere and they kept coming!, picture after picture

I just carry on while observing what's happening.

 

[Gertrudes]

fwiw:

There is a quite powerful ''program'' ''in'' me that runs some times and it's Really Hard to fight it. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. And whenever I lose it's devastating.. Many times when the program is running I'm not me. Sometimes my mind is just empty when it's running and sometimes there is someone else pulling the strings, it's pretty scary.

The program was running and I lost control again. So I asked God for a sign, for help. I recited the first few phrases of the POTS. I thought it was probably hopeless, because many times have I fought and lost. But then I heard a voice in my head repeating the words: "This is not what you want. Don't do it. Stand up." (they felt really strong)
I listened to these words and thought ''s/he is right'', I regained control again and felt victory.

Now if I could only hold it...

Thank you for this Oxajil, really inspiring!

I've been feeling very powerless against my programs, and I think I have been entering into a sort of a punitive program, something like: bad me, letting the program run itself again!...
It might seem silly but as soon as I read your post I felt a sense of warmth in my belly, as if my belly was smiling when reading it. Your words really inspired me, again, thank you.

An update on EE:
Over the past weeks I have been feeling increasingly cranky and irritable. Problem is, and I realize it now, I have been feel very guilty for feeling it...and that probably doesn't help.
I think I am identifying a very strong program of trying to control and suppress my emotions. I've posted about this elsewhere, but I feel that I am still at the very beginning of the road, in the process of identifying it.

I am aware that irritability can be a result of either a nutritional deficiency or some level of toxicity. I have done some recent changes in my diet and I hope that it will help.

I've had an episode of mild spasms on the right side of my belly yesterday during the whole program. It started when I started EE, and it vanished as soon as I finished. It could have been from the position I was seating, although I did try different positions and even lying down. Then, my recent crankiness kicked in (just where is all of it coming from?!!) and I started throwing pillows around, if it weren't for the neighbours I would have probably shouted out real loud.

 

[anart]

Well, I have been doing the full program daily and the POTS again before sleeping since July. I also started spinning at this time. Only had one angry outburst and two crying sessions in July but nothing else since. Zoned out a few times in the beginning but nothing since then.

I kept up with this thread and was amazed at other member's experiences. I dutifully kept going with the program thinking my turn would eventually arrive. Still nothing. I didn't contribute much to this thread and that is compounded by my shyness and being a private person. Took a break last week as mentioned by Laura and just did the POTS before bed.

Time to break out of my private prison!

Yes, and remember that everyone is different and the bulk of 'processing' is occurring 'behind the scenes'. I don't think this can be stressed enough.

Sadly my beloved grandmother (my Dad's mother) passed away Saturday evening. She was like a mother to me since my mom died when I was 4 years old. I arrived back home Wednesday after going through all her stuff and moving it out of her apartment. My brother and I were the only people left in her life here in the states.

I'm really sorry for your loss. Be gentle with yourself.

Today I read this thread to get me up to date when I felt a great sadness that I didn't seem to be progressing with the program. I just sat and cried it out. An impression/thought came to me that I was only going through the motions of the program and not really applying myself. As I was doing the program, my mind was constantly thinking about events of the day. I struggle mightily to calm my thoughts and I cannot seem to win.

Approaching Infinity and Laura have both discussed visualization exercises that might help quiet those 'thoughts of the events of the day'.

I also did the Candida Saliva test and showed that I failed. I was very surprised since I feel I am in very good health with nothing to complain about and exercise 6 days a week. I eat pretty healthy but do have some comfort foods like coffee with cream and sugar. So the other impression/thought that came to me was that I really need to cleanse myself and will start with a 21 day distilled water fast.

Just for the record, I don't know enough about the efficacy or accuracy of this saliva test to say whether that is a reliable indicator or not. Perhaps Psyche might know.

I like the ideas suggested about using a visual image to meditate on. I will need to find one that I can use.

Ah, so you saw those posts - good - I think that technique might help you.

Time for me to increase my efforts and get serious about the breathing program. Do more that just going through the motions.

Thank you for listening. I really haven't found anyone I can physically talk to. I feel like I need to cry some more.

Cry all you want - crying is good. In fact, I personally think crying is very important - there is power and healing in tears that doesn't seem to exist anywhere else.