Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[truth seeker]

Hey realitybugll,

If I'm understanding you correctly, I think this is normal. You shouldn't be trying to keep it in though. There can be air that wants to escape in terms of burping and flatulence. Please let me know if you're speaking of something else.

 

[aragorn]

Hi realitybugll, fwiw I got some thoughts by reading your post that I'd like to share:

When I do the pipe breathing lying down instead of sitting or standing it is quite a different experience for me. First what is interesting is that sometimes my stomach with get extremely tingly all over, I have not read anyone describe that physical symptom. It does not happen ever when I sit and do the pipe breathing, only when I am laying down. Also something I have noticed: When I am holding the air for 3 counts and then breathing it out for 9 counts it is a lot more "awkward" to do while laying down.

It seems to be that for some people doing breathing exercises while sitting is easier, when as for some people it is easier to do them while lying down. I myself find it a bit easier to do e.g. the EE program lying down, but I know from experience that it is good for me to do these things sitting too; doing e.g. the EE while sitting corresponds better to the "real life" or "every day" situations. The EE is beneficial in many ways, but one of the many benefits, as I see it, is that one learns to "keep the breathing down" (deep diaphragmatic breathing) even while standing, walking or sitting and going on with our every day life. This should be the way nature has "planned" it, but for many reasons we have trouble doing it. And our breathing tends to go wrong especially when stressful and critical situations arise (this probably is to some amount natural too, cf. fight or flight response). In those situations it is good to have training in breathing and IMO doing breathing exercises lying down gives poorer preparation for these moments. Having said that, there is in my opinion benefits in doing breathing exercises lying down too, like being able to relax more easily. It can also be easier to go "deeper" while lying down, and from what you are describing (awkward feeling, tingling) this might be the difference you are sensing.

What I'm getting at, is that IMO you really should choose the position that works best for you. If EE works better for you while sitting, then do it that way - that sounds good. I see that "configuration" as more beneficial than the other way around (things working better while lying down). On the other hand, if you can successfully do the EE while sitting there most probably shouldn't be any problems at all doing it while lying down, because breathing works in my experience always more smoothly lying down. For possible explanations why this isn't happening for you see below.

When I am sitting up, the air for the most part naturally rests in my stomach with some in my chest and I am able to fluidly breath it out. When laying down however as soon as a stop breathing in air, my chest will often inflate hugely and my stomach deflate unless I keep the air "held" in my stomach. I countered this problem by continue to breath in on the pause for 3 counts even though my air capacity is full. If a lot of air does get into my chest I have to empty my stomach and then my chest and I actually need a half second pause to be able to achieve this.

Okay, it sounds to me that for some reason you are breathing exclusively into the chest (the diaphragm doesn't descend properly), and maybe doing even reversed breathing (the belly gets sucked in when breathing in). When you are sitting gravity will assist with keeping the breath low, when you are lying down you don't get this "help".

Now, for whatever the reason you are doing upper breathing or even reversed breathing while lying down I would suggest a few things:

-One reason that comes to my mind is that your lower back is arched upwards and tense. Is there a space between your lower back and the bed you are lying on? You should choose a bed that supports your back in the right way. If you lie on a harder platform, e.g. on the floor, you can use a pillow under your knees. This will help you get the lower back "glued" to the floor which is critical for relaxed lower breathing. You can also bend your knees, lifting the knees upward. This will do the same as with the pillow, only more.

- Do the "book thing", e.g. place a heavy book on your belly and concentrate on getting that book to lift up every time you inhale. Be careful not to try to breathe in TOO MUCH (it sound to me that you might be doing this). It is always better to breathe a little air in the right place, than breath with full capacity in the wrong place (chest). And if you're new to this, breathing with full capacity with complete descending of the diaphragm is not possible - it takes time to make this happen! So, don't try to inhale with "full jets" the whole time that Laura keeps counting. Just breathe that amount that you feel the diaphragm responses to; if you feel that the d. doesn't go any lower don't compensate by changing to upper breath. I believe that you can feel when you "let the anchor go" (the diaphragm pops up even though you keep breathing in).

- I feel it's easier to not use a pillow (under my head) when doing breathing exercises lying down. It is easy for the throat (pipe) to get bent too much when using a big pillow, hence making it more difficult to the breathing apparatus to function

 

[dugdeep]

Hello, all. I haven't posted to this thread since I first started doing the EE program, so I thought I should now.

Over the past week or so I seemed to be getting what I could call some solid "results" out of doing EE. (I've been doing the breathing since the fall with about a month or so break over the holidays). I felt generally more aware of myself, able to self-remember frequently and for more sustained periods of time than usual and was much more in touch with my body and my surroundings. I felt I was more able to keep emotions "below the neck" and simply observe them rather than getting carried away.

I was also noticing a frequent intense tingling in my third eye region often, as others have mentioned in this thread. I used to notice this often a few years ago when I first got my reiki attunements and when I was practicing reiki regularly (I haven't practiced with any regularity in quite some time). I also notice some tingling on the crown of my head (like Puck mentioned, a few pages back I believe, but not as intense).

Unfortunately this all came to a crashing halt when recent events in my life brought with them a sudden and significant amount of stress. I think this is something I'll get into more specifics about in the Swamp, but I felt like my life was being torn apart, piece by piece. At points I was able to observe this stress, but for the most part I was just carried away by it. Since then, the majority of the "results" seem to have gone by the wayside. They're still there to a smaller degree, but the intensity seems to have waned.

I realize we're not supposed to be anticipating results and honestly this all came as a sort of surprise. But the fact that I was "knocked off my high horse", so to speak, makes me wonder about some things. Does doing the EE program make us more susceptible to attack? Maybe these results actually drew attention to me and made me a target for adding a little entropy to my life. Or was this the general law knocking me back into line? Or is this a necessary hurdle to overcome when trying to awaken that I, maybe, tripped over? I'm really curious about whether others have had any experiences like this.

It's not dissimilar to what happened to me when playing around with the "Law of Attraction" stuff a few years back (yes, I know. I was a chump, what can I say). I was trying some methods from a book by Lynn Grabhorn called "Excuse Me, Your Life Is Waiting" where she recommends pushing your big problems out of your mind and concentrating on bringing up really positive emotional states. At that time I noticed my mood improve significantly (I'm often told I'm a bit of a downer). My girlfriend's moods and complaints (attacks?) didn't seem to have the same effect on me any more as I seemed to side-step emotional traps without reacting. Well, this brought on one giant crash of crushing stress which sent me into a tailspin of depression that I think I'm still getting over, to a certain extent. It wasn't until I started assimilating the Wave/Adventures material that I really started to understand that what I suffered was probably an attack by unseen entropic forces. They were missing their lunch!

Anyway, I'm sorry I've gone on a bit too long here. Does anyone have any insight into whether the EE program is making one more susceptible to these attacks (if that's what they are) and what the best way of dealing with them is?

 

[Ollie]

This week’s report sees some positive, noticeable, effect from doing the E-E Breathing-Meditation programme (ignoring the many positive effects going on undetected by the conscious mind :)). I noticed that I am walking more upright, and on going down on to the mat for the PotS, instead of the creaks (well maybe still just a little!) and a period of waiting for my shoulders and neck to settle onto the mat, it happens straight away. Tears are the norm now for each session, a positive sign that things are happening (integration? :)) at a deeper level.

Tears are a river that takes you somewhere. Weeping creates a river around the boat that carries your soul-life. Tears lift your boat off the rocks, off dry ground, carrying it down river to someplace new, someplace better.

Outside of the sessions, it has been a strange week. Since my last report, it’s as if I’m going through a ‘die-off’ reaction – mild constipation, mild headache (I never have them), sneezing on waking, and above all, yawning and fatigue on any exertion (even reading). It’s as if my body is deliberately slowing me down, forcing me to accept the hints it’s been giving out about resting and recuperating in the last few weeks.

… body and soul are friends, maturing together, constantly interchanging messages. :)

So that is what I’ve done this week, rest and recuperation, getting ready for the next ‘surge’. Interestingly, once or twice on lying down, tears welled up in my eyes just as if I was listening to Laura’s voice during PotS sessions. :)

A new FIR Sauna blanket arrived and was thoroughly christened, awash with sweat yesterday. So, at least that’s back to normal, and something is definitely moving out of the system. :)

 

[truth seeker]

Does anyone have any insight into whether the EE program is making one more susceptible to these attacks (if that's what they are) and what the best way of dealing with them is?

I don't think susceptible would be the right word. My current understanding is that general law happens to everyone whether they're doing EE or not. Once any step is taken to gain knowledge, STS may try harder for a while to distract us from what we're currently doing. When that doesn't work, they may attempt to change the method they use. So basically, one is not attracting the attention of STS, because they are always watching.

If you think of it as distraction and don't attach any importance to it, this in my opinion provides the protection because you are aware of how they work and can then choose to not be swayed by it as opposed to giving it your energy. Hope that makes sense.

 

[dugdeep]

Does anyone have any insight into whether the EE program is making one more susceptible to these attacks (if that's what they are) and what the best way of dealing with them is?

I don't think susceptible would be the right word. My current understanding is that general law happens to everyone whether they're doing EE or not. Once any step is taken to gain knowledge, STS may try harder for a while to distract us from what we're currently doing. When that doesn't work, they may attempt to change the method they use. So basically, one is not attracting the attention of STS, because they are always watching.

If you think of it as distraction and don't attach any importance to it, this in my opinion provides the protection because you are aware of how they work and can then choose to not be swayed by it as opposed to giving it your energy. Hope that makes sense.

This definitely makes sense, truth seeker. Thank you very much. I think this is very good advice.

 

[truth seeker]

If you think of it as distraction and don't attach any importance to it, this in my opinion provides the protection because you are aware of how they work and can then choose to not be swayed by it as opposed to giving it your energy. Hope that makes sense.

This definitely makes sense, truth seeker. Thank you very much. I think this is very good advice.

I just wanted to further clarify my point above by saying that it's knowledge that broadens one's choices. Before we all found this forum, we were making choices based on the limited information available to us. This is what's happening in the world, people don't realize the full extent of the choices available to them. Once we do, we can change our actions.

Moderator's edit: fixed quotes

 

[vinny]

just to add a bit to what truth seeker said, I agree that 'susceptible' definitely isn't the right word, and that, yes, we all fall under the General Law, until / unless we are able pursue the path of esoteric development towards the 'Law of Exception'

The EE program however, is designed to begin to put you more in touch with 'yourself', and so you may well become more aware of manipulations, both internal and external, by virtue of having a better internal communication and ability to observe one's self and the triggering of all those little programmed reactions. So, it may escalate one's experiences, but if it is doing that by making you more aware of what is going on that has to be a good thing, and if (as it should) that awareness leads to learning more lessons and "growth of knowledge" that can be applied, then in fact it should make one less susceptible to manipulation / attacks.

The way that one attracts extra GL attention to oneself, is by acting and moving in the world without the necessary understanding of how it works (and how you work), so one unwittingly raises one's head above the parapet, so to speak. Gudjieff tells many stories, exploring the ideas of attempting to manouevre without raising the 'GL alarm' - by being 'in the world but not of it - by acting a role and fully understanding 'strategic enclosure'. This requires first of all that you 'know yourself', which is something the EE program can help with.

 

[Lucius]

I don't think susceptible would be the right word. My current understanding is that general law happens to everyone whether they're doing EE or not. Once any step is taken to gain knowledge, STS may try harder for a while to distract us from what we're currently doing. When that doesn't work, they may attempt to change the method they use. So basically, one is not attracting the attention of STS, because they are always watching.

If you think of it as distraction and don't attach any importance to it, this in my opinion provides the protection because you are aware of how they work and can then choose to not be swayed by it as opposed to giving it your energy. Hope that makes sense.

Yes you have right, I have seen STS method they will make everything to stop you when you are on right way.
I never surrender at my way-progress but sometimes without forum and knowing that there is more Good people it was hard.
I have learned observer my self and when there is negative energy just "asking" Whay you are angry ? it is your ? Never put it out just Creative USE of it in good way.

[quote author=Nomad ] The EE program however, is designed to begin to put you more in touch with 'yourself', and so you may well become more aware of manipulations, both internal and external, by virtue of having a better internal communication and ability to observe one's self and the triggering of all those little programmed reactions [/quote]

That Touch with 'yourself' in my opinion is very important - hmm my observation is that I have less Deja-vu .
But other hand I'm more more calm and Just Fell that I'm going good way, sometimes awareness that I'm touch with Hight myself is helping giving hope when you are in this strength time.


At this moment doing EE program - 2 time per week FULL and other time ( pipe breath , baa - ha , dive cosmic mind )

 

[ines]

Hoping that this is the right section to put my question in!

Is there also a german version of the EEprogram planed or already available?

thx
Ines

 

[Jacques]

Hoping that this is the right section to put my question in!

Is there also a german version of the EEprogram planed or already available?

thx
Ines

The German version is not available for the moment but the translators team are working on it.

 

[Adaryn]

Hi Ines,

Hoping that this is the right section to put my question in!

Is there also a german version of the EEprogram planed or already available?

Yes, it's planned! The translation of the EE program in different languages is now in its final stages and will hopefully soon be released. Thanks all for your patience :)

 

[3DStudent]

I've caught up with this thread so I decided to make a post. I had been doing the reduced program for a few months with just 3 stage breathing and POTS on the two days and the daily POTS and pipe breathing. But last week I think I started back up doing the complete program, I just felt like it was time. I also had done a full program when I had a day off work and it went nicely. Since restarting, I have felt a lot better and the sessions are nice. It seems that I was ready to get back into the full program.

A little note that I just remembered and seemed significant: I haven't had much metaphysical effects with the program, but lately I have been noticing more of those little dots of light that flash for instantaneous amounts of time. I had had these before and they were less frequent. But now I get them more often and they last longer, almost a second now. They also sometimes do things like move in a curve during that short one second period. They are silver in color and rarely black also. When the move they are reminiscent of the way a neon sign looks. I notice them more when I read the forum, but that could be because of the light gray background makes them easier to detect. FWIW.

I have a question about three stage breathing. I don't think this is covered in the FAQ/Guide: when you have your hands in position next to your stomach and chest does it matter how they are tilted? In the video the girls have their palms pointed down, but I tend to face my palms inwards, as if holding the body. This is more comfortable and natural and less twisting of your wrists than facing them downwards.

 

[Alana]

I have a question about three stage breathing. I don't think this is covered in the FAQ/Guide: when you have your hands in position next to your stomach and chest does it matter how they are tilted? In the video the girls have their palms pointed down, but I tend to face my palms inwards, as if holding the body. This is more comfortable and natural and less twisting of your wrists than facing them downwards.

I have been doing it with the palms facing towards myself, because it felt more comfortable as you say. It was pointed out to me however, by a friend who also does the program and who is a dancer, thus very knowledgeable on the workings of the body, that the position as shown by the girls in the video brings the arms higher, which in turn creates a bigger expansion of the ribcage, which allows one to get more air into the lungs.

If you try both positions on yourself, one after the other during inhalations, you will be able to notice the difference in your rib cage expansion and the amount of air you take in. I am hoping that my description makes sense.

 

[herondancer]

Hi 3D Student,

If your wrists are feeling twisted, check where you are holding your elbows. The girls in the video keep a straight, level line from their fingertips to their elbows. Your wrists won't be twisted if you hold your arms this way.

When you bring your elbows into that straight line, try to keep your shoulders relaxed. It might help to imagine resting your forearms on a shelf just in front of your chest. You may find it tiring at first to hold your arms this way, because you are stretching and exercising muscles we don't normally use in our sedentary lives. Keep on with it and it will soon become comfortable.

Hope that helps,

Herondancer