Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

zim said:
Hi Oxajil

Until today I understood why it called pipe, jajja sorry I think I'm very slow to learn !!!!! :-[
:cry: :P but thanks; really ;I understood exactly what the part is to work in the pipe breath, I was totally wrong thinking that it was a movement inside of my mouth ( sky mouth), I did the haaaaaaaaaaa (breath out )very long now I feel the sensation in my throat in the same time I can see how my diaphragm move each time I say haaaaaaa very long as I'm cleaning my glasses, but still feel dizzy when I finished the breathing ??? It is correct ?? :huh: :wow:

I'm really sorry I have thinking in my learning process and sometimes I feel block and don't see far but suddenly happens; something make an spark on my mind and wala!! I understand the things !!!!! :halo: :lol2:

Hi zim,

Rhys has given great advice.

No need to be sorry! Maybe it is a good thing to send an e-mail http://eiriu-eolas.org/contact/ and ask if there are any Éiriú Eolas teachers (or people who can be trusted) nearby your place, so you could go (and attend a class) to make sure you're doing it right.
 
Hi Oxajil

Think near from my place at least in all centralamerica there isn't a teacher yet maybe after learning well I can be a teacher !!!! ;) :D

but thanks for your advice I will back with more about my EE progress !!! :grad:
 
zim said:
Hi Oxajil

Think near from my place at least in all centralamerica there isn't a teacher yet maybe after learning well I can be a teacher !!!! ;) :D

but thanks for your advice I will back with more about my EE progress !!! :grad:

Okay! ;)
 
Regulattor said:
Just reporting my latest EE experiences.

Secondly, I have noticed some kind of whitish "smoke" around me. Rising from my legs for example. And generally perceiving it in my surroundings during breathing exercises. Don't know what it is, but keep watching and reporting further.

For the last couple of times of doing the full EE program I noticed with my mind's eye a whitish smoke. I am lying down so I "see" it in front of my face. First it appeared during Beatha, as if I was breathing it out (?), but yesterday started during three stage breathing just slowly floating around in a similar way to tobacco smoke. Didn't catch Regulattor's post before, made a search, and apparently others reported it as well. Wonder what it is.
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In dreams, smoke can symbolize obstruction, something that one isn't seeing, or "there is no fire without smoke". On the other hand, white smoke also symbolizes peace and spirituality (as in peace pipe), etc. There is also white smoke being released as a symbol for the election of a new pope. But that's surely not a good thing. :D So if this smoke is an indication of something more than just "something that is there and we are noticing it", perhaps it's a good thing that it is being released? On the other hand, it can be also an indication of something to pay attention to. Don't know.
 
Just a short update of how I'm doing with the program:

For some time now I've felt that I need to do the pipe breathing at a slower pace (longer inhale and exhale) than Laura on the audio. While I know that this is normal and that everyone should do it at the pace they find comfortable(this would probably mean excluding the audio), I have still wanted to use the audio because I find more discipline that way. So basically I've been lagging behind in the pipe breathing section, falling 'out of sync'. The day before yesterday I tried to do the breathing twice as slow as Laura (on the recording) and this fitted me perfectly! This way I can stay in sync, sort of. :)

That whole session was one of the most intensive I ever had. I had a lot of zoning out and what was new, loud gurgling noises at different parts of the stomach. It felt like some chronic tension melted away at my intestines.

This was followed by a semi dream like state where I was having a very intense battle against an incredible evil force. This ended fortunately, I think, in me winning the battle. I say I think, because when I woke up I felt that I had 'stealed' some of the evil ones energy. It's a bit hard to describe, but it felt like this 'force' had been sucking energy out of me and now I got it back. This got me a little bit worried since I don't want anything in me that has to do with that nasty energy.

But I think that this was an important 'victory' of some kind. Maybe it was an attachment that finally left or a part of me that had to surrender. I've been feeling much lighter and stronger ever since. :)
 
Congrats Aragorn! :thup:

It sounds like you've reached a milestone in your EE practice. Perhaps you didnt steal the evil ones energy, and instead just kept a hold of your own for a change? That might be why you feel "lighter and stronger" - just a thought :)

Onwards and upwards! :grad:

EDIT:

Aragorn said:
But I think that this was an important 'victory' of some kind. Maybe it was an attachment that finally left or a part of me that had to surrender. I've been feeling much lighter and stronger ever since. :)

D'oh! :-[ It's been a long day :rolleyes: congrats all the same :)
 
Quote from: Aragorn on Yesterday at 06:58:09 AM
But I think that this was an important 'victory' of some kind. Maybe it was an attachment that finally left or a part of me that had to surrender. I've been feeling much lighter and stronger ever since.

I was wonder about that, in EE program we can de-attact out attacments??? I mean in the POST I bring light to my being so it could be a way to release the attactment of our body consciously? :huh:
 
Been awhile since I reported here.

I still do the full program 4-7 times a week, yet While doing intense physical labour for two and a half months, the breathing just acted as an ease down for sleeptime where POTS was a imagination comforter. It felt like the connection was scrambled, having a hard time focusing on the words and meaning.

Now I'm finished with the physical labour and getting clutter out of the way EE and POTS has picked up with the old effects of emotional release and connection. Also I have started doing it in the daytime if I need to confront some hardboiled automatic pattern.

Some nigths ago I had a dream about a deadish worm which was dangling from my left wrist, I was ashamed and tried to tie it into a knot, to get it out of the way for later chopping off. I then awoke to a very creepy atmosphere, a sort of spidery feel was in my cabin. This I attribute to 'farmers of the serpent' being alarmed for picking at the frequency fence. The left hand as I understand it is receiving, which has been distorted to taking. These days a release of fear based bonding with my feminine are at work, at least observations of and glimpses during POTS has shown is the motion at the moment.

My craving for food has also risen, since the breathing started working again on emotional blocks.
 
Hi everyone,

I thought I’d post about how I am doing with EE.

I still feel very relaxed when I am doing the program; it really helps my back pain and any discomfort with my stomach, which I am grateful for! In fact, I feel so relaxed when the program is done that when I get up from my bed, I just feel like falling over! This even happens when I forget to take melatonin. The only time when that doesn’t happen is when I eat too much brown rice or another high-carb food before the program, which just makes me feel like going for a run to get rid of the excess energy. I would call this energy “useless” in the sense that it doesn’t help me concentrate on anything with the intellectual and emotional centers; it’s just a moving center thing.

I wanted to ask a question about “zoning out” – what exactly is it? I’m guessing it’s just a period where no thought or sensations take place at all. During the actual program, the closest thing to this definition that happens is when some distracting thought invades my mind. I end up identifying with that thought, and then I think something like, “Wait, what? … Oh! Um, bah-hah, bah-hah,” after I start hearing the audio again. Even though my mind is off in la la land, my breath is still in sync with the count.

On a side note, I recall a few people saying that they think about the day during the three-stage breathing, and then they concentrate on the bah-hah portion and the words of the prayer. Well, I end up doing this the other way around, except it’s less thinking about the day and more mechanical thoughts.

But getting back to zoning out, the time that I did feel no sensations was after I had gone to sleep, very easily, I may add. I had no dreams during that time (at least, none I could remember), and that state lasted for about two hours (which actually happens quite frequently). When I woke up, I felt miserable! I was so tired and my eyes and throat felt very dry, so I had to go get a glass of water. My throat still felt extremely dry, so I decided to get another glass and then eat some fruit. After some distractions, namely people and animals barging into my room, I thought I could finally get back to sleep.

Nope! So many thought loops and invasive thoughts! I try to do dream work every night, where I try to keep a question on my mind and then perhaps get clues to the answer in the dream. Every time I repeated the question, immediately after I’d either get a song stuck in my head or think about some videogame (I don’t play them anymore). I tried to recite the POTS again, yet the thoughts came back. I took melatonin while doing the program, by the way.

I noticed that the voice that said the POTS was a lot quieter than these invasive thoughts. I just didn’t have the energy to “turn up the volume”, or even just remember myself. Then again, it could be because I ate fruit at around 11:00 p.m.! I think I will try cutting out all the rice and fruit sugars to see if I will have more energy to get this under control.

Sorry about the length. I hope that was coherent enough. Thank you for such a great program! :)
 
zlyja said:
I wanted to ask a question about “zoning out” – what exactly is it? I’m guessing it’s just a period where no thought or sensations take place at all. During the actual program, the closest thing to this definition that happens is when some distracting thought invades my mind. I end up identifying with that thought, and then I think something like, “Wait, what? … Oh! Um, bah-hah, bah-hah,” after I start hearing the audio again. Even though my mind is off in la la land, my breath is still in sync with the count.

Here are some quotes about zoning out, that might answer your question.

[quote author=Éiriú Eolas Quick Guide]
Q: During the breathing and meditation, I snap into a dream state where I no longer hear the audio. As soon as I realize this, I snap myself out of it. Should I restart the program when this happens?
A: You don’t need to restart the program. This is called “zoning”. It is perfectly normal and a good sign that something is happening. It is a positive sign that your subconscious is beginning to process and heal.
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Link: http://eiriu-eolas.org/faq/

[quote author=Cs session 5 Aug 2009]
Q: (L) I would like to know if you have any comments to make on the progress of our breathing and meditation program for the readers of our forum and perhaps other people who are practicing it about whom we know nothing?

A: It is already having effects in other realms.

Q: (L) What other realms?

A: 4, 5, 6D.

Q: (L) In what respect?

A: Humans should remember the hermetic maxim can go both ways in some respects. Those who are destined to "meet" themselves in the future can now do so with greater facility due to these efforts. We once said that "you in the future" could "rewrite" cosmic programs... that goes for others too. They are now learning the programming language.

Q: (L) A number of people on the forum have talked about the zoning out thing, the, ya know... while still awake seemingly, losing all awareness of self and just kind of zoning out. What is this phenomenon?

A: See previous answer and think of it as spending "time" with the higher self/teacher instead of wasting the ability to dissociate on futile illusions. Also remember that "time" spent in this process utilizes this "soul ability" as it was originally intended. It taxes the soul greatly to be embodied.
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When I zone out, its like I lose all awareness and when I snap back into consciousness again, its like Ive been in a timeless state. There might be different types of "zoning out", then again I'm not to clear on what zoning out is either. Hope this helps.
 
Infiniteness said:
When I zone out, its like I lose all awareness and when I snap back into consciousness again, its like Ive been in a timeless state. There might be different types of "zoning out", then again I'm not to clear on what zoning out is either. Hope this helps.

some times I get this doubt . Can our predatorial part create a hypnotic sleep to spoil actual zoning out ?. Just like the sleep in semi conscious state, where we can remember the dreams, thought loops etc. I feel that theoritically it is possible.

As for as my EE practice is concern, I am doing twice a week complete program and trying my best to do it before sleep and feel that It could be better ( mainly due to disturbing thought loops. )
 
FWIW, I've had two kinds of experience when doing the EE program that may be called zoning out. One is a kind of time loss, where I not only lose all awareness of self, but also lose awareness of passing time. I would be at the beginning of the POTS, for example, then the next thing I knew, I was at the end. In the beginning, I even checked my ipod a few times to make sure that it was alright. The other experience is similar to falling asleep. I would fall asleep during the program, and wake up at the end knowing that I had slept. The only difference from normal sleep is that I often wake up right at the end of the meditation, and feel very refreshed upon waking up.
 
Bobo08 said:
FWIW, I've had two kinds of experience when doing the EE program that may be called zoning out. One is a kind of time loss, where I not only lose all awareness of self, but also lose awareness of passing time. I would be at the beginning of the POTS, for example, then the next thing I knew, I was at the end. In the beginning, I even checked my ipod a few times to make sure that it was alright. The other experience is similar to falling asleep. I would fall asleep during the program, and wake up at the end knowing that I had slept. The only difference from normal sleep is that I often wake up right at the end of the meditation, and feel very refreshed upon waking up.

I also have two different experiences of "zoning" and don't really know if they should both be considered actual zoning out. One experience is similar to what you describe first Bobo08; a lapse in awareness that seems to just be blank, timeless, non-awareness. The second is kind of similar to sleep, but is really just a deep association with random thoughts similar to the pre-sleep phase. It's like I get lost in thoughts that sometimes seem to have deep symbolic meaning and other times just seem like nonsense. It's likely that this second instance is just me on the verge of falling asleep, OSIT.
 
zim said:
Quote from: Aragorn on Yesterday at 06:58:09 AM
But I think that this was an important 'victory' of some kind. Maybe it was an attachment that finally left or a part of me that had to surrender. I've been feeling much lighter and stronger ever since.

I was wonder about that, in EE program we can de-attact out attacments??? I mean in the POST I bring light to my being so it could be a way to release the attactment of our body consciously? :huh:

I'm not entirely sure myself, but I like to try answer your question. IMO through the prayer and the beatha-part (bioenergetic par) you are working firsthand with emotions, which can be deep rooted (where yourself are not aware of them anymore) and even according to the C's also from past lives. With the prayer, especially before going to bed, things can work out subconsciously, for example via dreams and may not even directly experienceable for yourself.

If you mean attachments or spirit attachement to be specific, there might be chance to work on them with the EE program too. But imo it would go more in the direction of working with a board, but as Laura wrote (it's from the Knowledge and Being video Laura made. I highlighted some words, because so far it is not recommended starting to work with a board):

transcript knowledge and being said:
Why do you want to begin to experiment using a board particularly? You might want to ask yourself that. Um….do you…I mean I‘ve told people and explained to people that it is really a valuable tool for exploring your own subconscious mind…uh…running through the loops of your programming…uh… it’s also a very good tool for…uh…spirit release. It’s very therapeutic. If you know what your doing and how to do it. So if you have that as your intent and you suspect that you have many programs to work through, or there may be spirit attachments and we’ll talk about spirit attachments a lot more later….uh… Don’t you think that you really need a lot of knowledge to be able to protect yourself from anything untoward happening like being eaten by dragons, you know, put ketchup on you before they bite as the first consideration? If you simply want to do this to contact some higher source…uh…to get answers to question it’s very, very advisable that you try to get all the answers to those questions yourself first before you resort to such a…uh… technique or an experiment. Some people think that..uh…using a spirit board is a way to contact dead relatives. Once again, you really need to be very careful because you need to know who and, most especially, what you’re communicating with and you need to know how to tell, you know, how do you evaluate because as I said, you know, if you think there’s a free lunch you are lunch and there are, you know, the spirit world is a jungle and there are many, many…um…spiritual energies or non-physical energies if you want to call them that that are just, you know, waiting for some opportunity to have additional experiences, you know, maybe to them interacting with a human being is kinda like climbing Mount Everest is to us, you know, some people have, you know, an addiction to adrenaline surges so they go and climb mountains and maybe there are spiritual energies that have some sort of addiction to interacting with human beings so that’s something that has to be considered.
 
dugdeep said:
Bobo08 said:
FWIW, I've had two kinds of experience when doing the EE program that may be called zoning out. One is a kind of time loss, where I not only lose all awareness of self, but also lose awareness of passing time. I would be at the beginning of the POTS, for example, then the next thing I knew, I was at the end. In the beginning, I even checked my ipod a few times to make sure that it was alright. The other experience is similar to falling asleep. I would fall asleep during the program, and wake up at the end knowing that I had slept. The only difference from normal sleep is that I often wake up right at the end of the meditation, and feel very refreshed upon waking up.

I also have two different experiences of "zoning" and don't really know if they should both be considered actual zoning out. One experience is similar to what you describe first Bobo08; a lapse in awareness that seems to just be blank, timeless, non-awareness. The second is kind of similar to sleep, but is really just a deep association with random thoughts similar to the pre-sleep phase. It's like I get lost in thoughts that sometimes seem to have deep symbolic meaning and other times just seem like nonsense. It's likely that this second instance is just me on the verge of falling asleep, OSIT.

It's similar to what I'm experiencing with EE.
I had only a few "real" zoning outs throughout the whole year of practicing EE, things that you describe as complete lapse of awareness (both of space and time and of self), and I've even been wondering if I've not been doing something right. But what I've also realized recently is that (at least for me) instead of zoning out, stuff have been working out through my dreams. Every now and then I get very vivid dreams, leaving me after waking up in pretty emotional state. It's happened that I get these kind of dreams several nights in a row and then they don't occur sometimes even for months. Another thing about that has been that these dreams tend to happen when I make a significant input of "new" knowledge and try to assimilate it, as if in that dream state my being is utilizing this knowledge.
As for that "other" zoning out, I'm associating it with my mind wandering all around and I'm kind of considering it as a distraction and trying to minimize it's occurrence.

As for my recent EE experience, there haven't been any big emotional releases and/or mental insights that I can tell. The usual feeling around my right kidney area is much less there than before and the same goes for energy flow through my scalp. Occasionally (during Beatha and POTS) feeling of pressure has appeared in my chest and also in 3rd eye region.

side note:
In one of my dreams last week, I had a conversation with someone who I perceived as my therapist and there was Laura listening sideward (I think that Laura has a role of my inner teacher in dreams). At one moment, because conversation was beginning to slide in wrong direction, Laura stepped in, went behind me and said "Stop! Stop! Stop!" and a feeling of some kind of rough/solid energy appeared between my shoulders. At the same time that appeared, feeling of airiness in my solar plexus emerged. I woke up and took few deep breaths and that airy feeling was there for some time.
I was more than surprised with this and what I've realized (for the first time) from it was (sometimes, in my dreams I tend to reverse things) that POTS is essentially STOP spelled backwards. :rolleyes:
 
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