Hi Oxajil, I've been reading your responses in the current discussion of prayer with great interest as it is a subject close to my heart. I would like to share some observations of things you have recently written. Needless to say these observations may or may not be accurate, so, as always . . . fwiw
Oxajil said:
Opinion is not objective knowledge. It is in fact completely subjective. Have you read the forum thread on
Opinions? I think you will find it very interesting, especially
this post and
this post. In the latter post Laura quotes some very interesting and pertinent excerpts from In Search of the Miraculous.
Oxajil said:
and in my experience, it is okay to pray for someone else without their permission
I think that the negative aspects of praying for others without their permission do not necessarily show up right away. Perhaps these aspects cannot be seen while we are in third density bodies. Perhaps it is that way intentionally, as a means to keep us generating more food for the STS types, while thinking we are doing something worthy.
Oxajil said:
simply because I Pray with an open mind that my prayers can have or will not have an effect (not for me to decide) and I wish and have faith in DCM, knowing that She knows how things "should" go
If you have faith that the DCM knows how things should go, why do you pray for others? DCM already knows what is best for them. It doesn't seem very logical to me. I think it is better to nourish this faith in the DCM in yourself then you will have faith that others are experiencing the life lessons that are correct for them, and you will naturally give them the freedom to experience those lessons according to their level of consciousness.
I think this issue of freedom is rather important here. Praying for another is to have some kind of idea that you know what they want or need, even if you think that what they want or need is for you to pray for them, and even if your prayer is open. This is not giving them freedom in your own mind. I understand that you want to do something for them but giving freedom to others is more important that praying for them unasked, osit. The type of faith I described does give that freedom, and it allows you to acknowledge and support them in their life path, because you understand that they are in the right place at the right time having the right experience for their life's journey.
Oxajil said:
. . . She knows how things "should" go and that I have no right or "power" to violate that person's free will by doing this.
I don't quite understand what you mean here. Do you mean to say that you ask the DCM that your prayers do not violate the other's free will? We occupy a free will universe, where violation of another's free will is neither encouraged nor prohibited by the 'rules of the game', but it is certainly allowed. I don't think that the DCM takes individual notice of our prayers in that way.
My impression is that you want to be free to follow your feelings, your heart, and rely on an outside power to be your 'policeman', making sure that these prayers do not negatively affect others. I think, and I could be completely wrong here, that there is a very scared little child deep inside. That child is very sensitive to the sufferings of others, and wants mummy or daddy, in the guise of the DCM, to stop others from hurting. Again, that assessment could be way off, and is only given as a speculative observation.
Oxajil said:
If you don't feel this way, then it's better to ask permission.
One should always ask permission.
Oxajil said:
In the end, it seems to me, that you should mostly pray for yourself.
I agree. And only pray for others if you have their permission.
Oxajil said:
I pray for others when I naturally feel that way, So I kind of follow my heart
'Naturally feeling' may actually be chemicals and hormones running around in your body and brain, released when certain childhood programs are triggered. You mentioned that you are a fearful person. I think that working on that fear, trying to find the root of it, would be something important to try.
Oxajil said:
and I have faith in the Universe to decide what She wants to do with my prayers.
I think this is a self-calming rationalization which allows you to pray for others while the DCM takes care of the details. But you know what lurks in the details! You mentioned in an earlier post that praying was comforting for you. What would happen if you did not pray for others, but gave them, in your mind, the freedom to be themselves, unmolested, so to speak?