Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[thevenusian]

One other note. I have a very different rhythm for the phrases of POTS when I do it on my own, without the audio, so I only use the audio after the full session.

Not so sure what you mean with this, could you elaborate?

I think the rhythm doesn't really matter that much, as long as you know the POTS by heart :)

When I do POTS on my own, I do it slowly, with one line per breath and the pause between. On the recording, two or more lines are included in each breath and there is no space for a pause. The recorded version goes by more quickly. I am using the latest online version, so perhaps this is different on the DVD version?

The difference for me is that I can concentrate & focus more on the words when doing it on my own. I have had the POTS memorized for quite some time and use it every day.

 

[Oxajil]

When I do POTS on my own, I do it slowly, with one line per breath and the pause between. On the recording, two or more lines are included in each breath and there is no space for a pause. The recorded version goes by more quickly. I am using the latest online version, so perhaps this is different on the DVD version?

The difference for me is that I can concentrate & focus more on the words when doing it on my own. I have had the POTS memorized for quite some time and use it every day.

Hmm I'm not sure if it's different (on the DVD). But I think you've been doing great so far. Doing it yourself is just great! And using the recorded version is awesome too, especially with the possible benefits that are there when listening to Laura's voice. If you have a hard time (or feel uncomfortable with) concentrating and focusing on the recorded version, that's okay, you can just lay down (or however you feel comfortable) and just let it play. You'll still gain benefits from it, I think.

Edit: Isn't it so that with each breathing in and out there is one phrase of the POTS? So it's like: (breathing in) Oh Divine Cosmic Mind (small pause) (breathing out) Holy Awareness in All Creation and so on? I guess if it's too quick for you, you can use a pace that feels more natural to you.

 

[Mrs.Tigersoap]

How was it like before? (Sorry if I missed that and misunderstand something)

Before, I would do the beatha and I would be exhausted afterwards (even though I don't do it strenuously and I'm usually lying down to do it) and so I would welcome the POTS to go back to a quiet state. It would calm me down, then I would sometimes zone out and maybe fall asleep soon afterwards. And since nothing has changed in my way of doing it, I guess it must come from what I'm processing during the beatha, as Sasha suggested. Oh, I guess, this shall pass!

 

[Oxajil]

How was it like before? (Sorry if I missed that and misunderstand something)

Before, I would do the beatha and I would be exhausted afterwards (even though I don't do it strenuously and I'm usually lying down to do it) and so I would welcome the POTS to go back to a quiet state. It would calm me down, then I would sometimes zone out and maybe fall asleep soon afterwards. And since nothing has changed in my way of doing it, I guess it must come from what I'm processing during the beatha, as Sasha suggested. Oh, I guess, this shall pass!

Interesting! Thank you for sharing!!

 

[mada85]

During the beatha portion I sometimes almost fall asleep [ . . . ]

I do the EE sitting on a chair until I lie down for the POTS, and many times I almost fall asleep during beatha. Sometimes I have to really struggle to remember that I'm doing a breathing exercise as everything seems to stop. Even if I resolve to really be present for the beatha and make greater efforts I find myself drifting off. I don't think it's zoning out, it's more like drifting into dreamland. It reminds me of a thread from some time ago (which I can't find at the moment) which discussed how some people were almost irresistibly falling asleep while reading Beelzebub's Tales. I've experienced this myself, not only with Beelzebub's Tales, and I wonder if it is the predator's mind trying to protect itself from knowledge or activities that are threatening to it.

I do the EE after work and I always sleep really well on Mondays and Thursdays.

My husband Tigersoap does that as well: as soon as the words 'oh divine cosmic mind' are uttered, he's gone! I know everybody is different, but I must admit I am a bit envious of his ability to zone out: at least he knows something is happening (so much so that the body just 'unplugs' to let the work being done)!

I haven't zoned out for quite a few sessions now. Before that I was zoning out at every session. I've found myself becoming slightly tense during the POTS. I'm expecting to zone out, waiting for it, and my mind says: 'Aha!! Now we're in the really cosmic esoteric zoning out bit, and soon we'll be off with the higher self.' And all that expecting and anticipating creates the subtle tension that prevents zoning out. That and I think that my inner predator is getting tense because it really doesn't like me to zone out.

During the beatha, when I visualize breathing in life, I get a strong sensation of 'green' both in colour and feeling (freshness), and sometimes combined with sunshine yellow and sky blue. Breathing out stress and toxins looks like a cloud of grey sludge in my mind's eye.

I find that the speed of counting the pipe breathing on the audio CD is too fast for me now, so I do the pipe breathing without the audio for about 15 minutes then put on the audio for the next stages. In the morning I do the same followed by reciting POTS in my mind. Some mornings everything flows really easily and insights happen and I can remain alert all through the meditation. Other mornings it's really hard work to even keep myself awake and to just recite the prayer, let alone contemplate the meaning. But I think of the easy days as rewards for doing the hard work on the difficult days.

 

[Keit]

Lately, I have not been zoning out at all. I do the full program during the day, since it energizes me too much to do at night. During the beatha portion I sometimes almost fall asleep but when I hear Laura's voice for the POTS, I come back with a jolt and I'm just really awake and 'ready to go' after that, so my mind is just racing and I really struggle to concentrate on the prayer. When I do the POTS without the beatha portion (every night) though, I can concentrate way better.
Does anybody else experience that?

Yep, the same here except that I do the full program usually at night. Will zone out toward the end of Beatha and then will wake up in a jolt and be awake during the prayer. I think the Beatha drifting also happens because I am lying down during the entire set. Will try this time to sit again except for the prayer and see if it helps. Oh, and I also have problem with racing thoughts during the prayer.

 

[pete02]

I did my EE session this morning. It was very calm and serene and there was nothing out of the ordinary about it however I tried laying down for the Beatha portion myself and passed out a little too early I think. Most of the time I either have no dreams or don't remember them but every time I do an EE session my dreams are quite clear and as usual my dreams were very vivid this time and they included many members of the forum. It was really nice and I almost didn't wanna wake up but as soon as the music ended it was over. I plan to do another EE session tonight and this time I will stay seated for the entire program being that I am doing an overnight shift at work and will have no where to lay down. I should also have more time to catch up on threads and will post more then.

 

[shijing]

I've noticed an interesting thing about my dreamlife since starting E/E -- that being, it seems to have basically stopped for the most part (based on what I can recall when I wake up, anyway). I used to be able to recall dreams pretty regularly after I woke up, but with a couple of exceptions, that hasn't been true for me in the past year or so. I'm not sure what the significance is, if any, but I thought I would mention it in case anyone else has had a similar experience.

 

[SolarMother]

Lately, I have not been zoning out at all. I do the full program during the day, since it energizes me too much to do at night. During the beatha portion I sometimes almost fall asleep but when I hear Laura's voice for the POTS, I come back with a jolt and I'm just really awake and 'ready to go' after that, so my mind is just racing and I really struggle to concentrate on the prayer. When I do the POTS without the beatha portion (every night) though, I can concentrate way better.
Does anybody else experience that?

Yep, the same here except that I do the full program usually at night. Will zone out toward the end of Beatha and then will wake up in a jolt and be awake during the prayer. I think the Beatha drifting also happens because I am lying down during the entire set. Will try this time to sit again except for the prayer and see if it helps. Oh, and I also have problem with racing thoughts during the prayer.

I do the full program during the day once a week, and everything but Beatha 2-3 times a week-- always lying down. I also zone out during beatha at times, and wake up during PoTS, and do notice a busy mind during PoTS.
Lately, the Beatha has been bringing up very strong emotions for me, especially anger, impatience and sadness---usually the day after, and nightmares as well, I might add! I cut down from 2-3 times doing the entire program (when I first started EE) to once a week for the entire program, and I have to admit that sometimes I dread it that once a week!! (beatha--I can be a big chicken instead of a warrior ) but my reasoning to go ahead and do it, is that I might as well be go forward with it, get it out of me, so that eventually there is not so much...

 

[1984]

I've noticed an interesting thing about my dreamlife since starting E/E -- that being, it seems to have basically stopped for the most part (based on what I can recall when I wake up, anyway). I used to be able to recall dreams pretty regularly after I woke up, but with a couple of exceptions, that hasn't been true for me in the past year or so. I'm not sure what the significance is, if any, but I thought I would mention it in case anyone else has had a similar experience.

I've noticed the same thing with dream recall. Perhaps you are sleeping so deeply you aren't waking up often enough after a REM cycle to recall the dreams? It's about the only conclusion I can come to since I sleep so much better over the last year or so, but I could be off. :)

 

[shijing]

I've noticed the same thing with dream recall. Perhaps you are sleeping so deeply you aren't waking up often enough after a REM cycle to recall the dreams? It's about the only conclusion I can come to since I sleep so much better over the last year or so, but I could be off. :)

That might be exactly right. I had wondered about this, since there was quite a bit of reporting about people having intense, vivid or cathartic dreams after starting E/E, and for awhile I was kind of waiting for the bomb to go off, although I know that everyone's experiences are going to be different. But I think it's true that I've been sleeping better too for the most part, and maybe that is just what I need most at this point. Thanks for your feedback, 1984 :)

 

[thevenusian]

I've noticed an interesting thing about my dreamlife since starting E/E -- that being, it seems to have basically stopped for the most part (based on what I can recall when I wake up, anyway). I used to be able to recall dreams pretty regularly after I woke up, but with a couple of exceptions, that hasn't been true for me in the past year or so. I'm not sure what the significance is, if any, but I thought I would mention it in case anyone else has had a similar experience.

I did have a sort of explosion of vivid dreaming in the first few months after starting EE, but unlike you I didn't have such great dream recall before. Now things have settled down to a fairly regular pattern of having 2 or 3 dreams I recall each month. What is notable, however, is that those dreams I do recall often contain information or insight into some problem or situation I am working on rather than being disjointed streams of impressions.

The combination of pipe-breath, POTS, melatonin and 5-HTP has definitely been giving me deeper, longer-lasting sleep than I've had for years.

 

[Iron]

I've noticed an interesting thing about my dreamlife since starting E/E -- that being, it seems to have basically stopped for the most part (based on what I can recall when I wake up, anyway). I used to be able to recall dreams pretty regularly after I woke up, but with a couple of exceptions, that hasn't been true for me in the past year or so. I'm not sure what the significance is, if any, but I thought I would mention it in case anyone else has had a similar experience.

I've noticed the same thing with dream recall. Perhaps you are sleeping so deeply you aren't waking up often enough after a REM cycle to recall the dreams? It's about the only conclusion I can come to since I sleep so much better over the last year or so, but I could be off. :)

Im still in the "phase" of having vivid and interesting dreams about my relationships and myself.
But sleeping deeper that is for sure, and needing less hours of sleep.

 

[shijing]

I just got done with E/E, and tried a new kind of visualization during the beatha section. A friend that I met last week is apparently gifted with an interesting way of seeing people's energetic structure, and he describes it (if I remember correctly) as being an expansive inner core with a contractile outer layer around it, and then black gooey stuff on the surface which represents negative things that have happened to us that we are still identified with and haven't let go of. Although he didn't say so explicitly, in my own mind I correlated the expansive inner core with that within us which is working toward being STO, and the contractile outer layer with the part of us that is mired in STS.

So during the bioenergetic breathing, on the in-breath I visualized good things being inhaled and going straight to that inner core to strengthen it -- on the out-breath, I visualized releasing toxic things from the outer layer as well as the black goo on the surface. It kind of worked for me, and helped me to focus, so I thought I'd mention it.

 

[truth seeker]

I also went through a period of no dreams/not remembering dreams for maybe a few weeks but over the last week, they've picked up and seem even more vivid. Many times now, they play out like 3d movies if that makes sense. I just had one this morning I may post. So perhaps this down time may be a short "break"? Some are cathartic but others are downright superhero/movieish if that makes sense.

It's interesting what you mentioned about the visualization. In the past two weeks(?), I've gone back to visualizing the diamond. That seems to help as well.