Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[Deleted member 4320]

I had some curious experience recently. I have my mp3 player where I keep some music and Eiriu Eolas audio. Battery was low in this little machine and I had to recharge. After loaded I noticed that I can't change a track. Something has broken, but what is interesting the track which I can run is Eiriu Eolas audio file with BaHa and POTS. Interesting, don't you think?

Today I had bad feeling about my health. I sneezed several times and I wanted to sleep, and found that it could herald a cold. I decided that I need to smoke a cig fast. I treat tobacco as medicine and I often increase smoking when I feel bad. When I was smoking I reminded verses of Prayer, in fact, not verses exactly, but particular parts in such a manner that presents it in my mind. And I felt significantly better. I do not know or is due to tobacco or prayer, maybe both, but I felt much better, more fresh and cheerful. Right after I thought about brend over the bed, sleep overtook me.

From the last two months. I have experienced short dreams that show me different people who had hurt me. In every dream is different person. These are not pleasant dreams. But I feel different now for those people when I am in their presence or for people who no longer know but when I am thinking about them I feel different too. I feel better, like a weight was lifted from my heart. But some of the dreams that I have dreamed was really hardcore, I didn't recognize anyone, but for example, I dreamed about how I was forced to kill myself by the sword thrusting to stomach.

But in turn, at the yesterday Prayer, I dreamed nothing concrete, but I feel really good. I dreamed something. But I can't desribe what I was dreaming. Before I fell asleep, I melted into good feelings, and I allow thoughts in my mind to flow freely, I thought about everyday matters, I had a unusual look at a few issues.

 

[Explorer]

Hey everyone. I have a quick questions about EE. The FAQ says that if I'm having a particular problem I can do the complete program everyday for a while. Does this include the Baha portion? Or should that only be done twice a week, with pipe-breathing and meditation done every day? I'm not sure what is meant by "complete program."

Thank you.

 

[Alana]

Hey everyone. I have a quick questions about EE. The FAQ says that if I'm having a particular problem I can do the complete program everyday for a while. Does this include the Baha portion? Or should that only be done twice a week, with pipe-breathing and meditation done every day? I'm not sure what is meant by "complete program."

Thank you.

Welcome Explorer. What I bolded above is correct.

We also recommend to new members to write an intro under the newbies section to tell us a bit about themselves, how they found this forum, things like that. You can have a look there to see how others have done it.

 

[Explorer]

Hey everyone. I have a quick questions about EE. The FAQ says that if I'm having a particular problem I can do the complete program everyday for a while. Does this include the Baha portion? Or should that only be done twice a week, with pipe-breathing and meditation done every day? I'm not sure what is meant by "complete program."

Thank you.

Welcome Explorer. What I bolded above is correct.

We also recommend to new members to write an intro under the newbies section to tell us a bit about themselves, how they found this forum, things like that. You can have a look there to see how others have done it.

Thanks Alana, I've posted an introduction.

 

[cubbex]

I haven't posted my experience with EE at december 21.

Well, everyone was having a party, I don't know why, but people took it as a celebration day. As I was alone at my house, I thought it would be a good idea doing a complete session, I was able to do the warriors breathing in peace.

Well, I did it, and at the middle of the BA-HA portion, I felt so much in peace, it was like in a different state. Then I had a brainstorm about considering other's lessons, and knowing that get wrong thins in their machine as me, that they needed to work. An obvious and basic principle, but I was able to conceive it openly, without resentment. I mention resentment, because I was aware of it, but remembering how I was hurt by those others, hold me back to see first for myself instead of them.

 

[Ollie]

Over the past six weeks, since starting deep-tissue massage, there has been a noticeable change in my experiences during PotS. The shuddering of legs and shoulders has decreased considerably, sometimes even absent, and has allowed a couple of times for me to zone out for a short while.

 

[trendsetter37]

Oh, I forgot to mention a strange thing that happened during todays ba-ha session.
At the end of it the usual energy was felt through my body, especially in my hands as they formed into some kind of 'hooks' (in lack of a better word)- like you can see on crippled or old people. I could not straighten them out no matter what. Also my mouth shaped in a strange gaping form. I felt almost helpless. As the meditation began this gradually decreased.

Hi Axis Mundi! Don't worry this is a completely normal reaction, I've experienced it many times with my bioenergetic therapist. In this article you can find the following quote:

Parasthesia, tetanus and tremors, oh my!
The challenge is complicated by the fact that bioenergetic breathing tends to cause three harmless but potentially alarming side-effects: parasthesia, tetanus, and tremors. Sounds dramatic, doesn’t it? Well, it is kind of exciting. This is powerful stuff. But these experiences really are harmless, and they tend to go away with practice. I myself went through them and came out the other side many years ago. Parasthesia simply means “altered sensation,” usually in the form of tingling that starts around the mouth, at the fingertips and in the toes. As it advances and spreads, it is usually accompanied by tetanus — sustained but mild contraction of muscles. The hands and feet tend to “claw up,” and your lips will feel like you’ve just been to the dentist! This is different than spasm, and it is more stiff than painful. It wears off quickly. Finally, tremors may sweep through the body erratically, perhaps favouring a specific limb or side, but this too passes rapidly — and should actually be indulged when it occurs. Let yourself shake. Be free! Martial arts and yoga practitioners may study their entire lives without knowing the sensation of qi.

These symptoms are produced by an altered mind-body state, both physiological and psychological. The tetanus is a consequence of some changes in blood chemistry. The tingling is the sensation of qi — when your hands are tingling fiercely with qi, it feels like you are holding balls of fire. It’s a very distinctive sensation, and a privilege to experience. I often explain to people that martial arts and yoga practitioners may study for their entire lives without knowing the sensation of qi, simply because they don’t breathe enough. The tendency to tremor is a “letting go.” We are all hanging on tightly to so very much, including out own bodies. The breathing shakes us loose. I advise you not to try to stop it. I must emphasize again that all of these side-effects are temporary. Bioenergetic breathing is not hyperventilation. It is not dangerous in any way. Any sensation you experience during breathing will go away as you slow down and stop.

So, IMHO these symptoms, allthough maybe unpleasant, are a very necessary stage of the "soul diving". It takes courage to let these things happen, but when one does, they usually have "a story to tell".

You know what? I'm so very glad that I found this in the search. I did EE today for the first time in a month after having the beegezus scared out of me the first time. The bioenergetic part was intense. I felt intense heat and tingling and had to take clothes off. I stopped and skipped to the slower parts because I didn't know what was going on and didn't want to die. In the end I was a bit ashamed for having such a hold on my physical body but I was alone and kept having silly thoughts about dying and my family finding me in the closet dead and wondering what happened. In hindsight I don't even know why this would have been a big deal...

Yea I know that might sound crazy but it also taught me that I still had some sort of fixation on physicality despite how in my new agey days I used to tell myself how I was so ready for non-physicality (anticipation to the max). Anyways I skipped to the soul prayer (still referring to my first time) and it calmed me down tremendously. I started feeling jerks, almost as if I was being flipped inside of my body. It was a very peculiar sensation without any consistent or rhythmic continuity but again much more gentle than my bodies reaction to the bioenergetics. Today was my first day doing EE again after that little episode. I got to some of the transcripts (october & november of '09) referring to it's importance regarding emotional release as well as thoughts (from Ouspenky's the fourth way) throughout the day reminding that knowledge without being (doing) means nothing.

This led me to applying the pipe breathing on the drive to and from work (hour round trip), noting that even then I felt my teeth tingle a bit. This gave me enough courage/will power to resume EE today. I must say that I feel a lot better reading through other peoples experiences and wouldn't know what I would do without this resource/forum.

Thank you all!

 

[Explorer]

After my first week of EE I've experienced a lot of different things.

During pipe-breathing I feel frustrated but don't have the energy to punch pillows, so I just kind of moan or swear out loud instead. Afterwards I feel a sadness, like there is something wrong in my life. Its strange because I don't feel "all" of it. I think there is a lot of sadness to be let out, but at the moment I can only feel a small bit of it. I feel more of it after Baha. Its kind of like I'm numb and I'm being made aware of it.

There is also a feeling in my head like something is being unblocked, like there is a wound being exposed to fresh air. This is sometimes accompanied by clicking sounds in my neck and head. This is probably repressed emotions and feelings.

During the meditation I've had a couple of long zone outs, one that went on for a few hours. I've been sleeping heaps better, and have had some interesting dreams, which are getting more clear but are still fuzzy. However, I find it hard to quiet my mind and focus on the Prayer, and get really frustrated with the thoughts that are floating around. Its hard to let go and observe. Any tips on this one?

Another problem I'm having is during pipe-breathing. Instead of breathing in slow and steady I gargle, like the noise that people make when they snore. Its very annoying.

Overall I feel better during the day and a little bit more myself. I'm less irritable and find getting up on a morning a lot easier. I'm writing a novel and I find it easier too. Once after Baha I felt an intense need to write, and what I wrote was good. Sometimes ideas come to me during pipe-breath.

Pretty interesting stuff. I think there is going to be some intense releases in the future.

 

[Gawan]

This led me to applying the pipe breathing on the drive to and from work (hour round trip), noting that even then I felt my teeth tingle a bit. This gave me enough courage/will power to resume EE today. I must say that I feel a lot better reading through other peoples experiences and wouldn't know what I would do without this resource/forum.

Thank you all!

Thanks for sharing and if you have any questions feel free to ask.

During the meditation I've had a couple of long zone outs, one that went on for a few hours. I've been sleeping heaps better, and have had some interesting dreams, which are getting more clear but are still fuzzy. However, I find it hard to quiet my mind and focus on the Prayer, and get really frustrated with the thoughts that are floating around. Its hard to let go and observe. Any tips on this one?

If you concentrate more on these thoughts they will get kind of more energy and it would then more difficult to stop then. What you could try is doing the prayer without the music. Just to experiment a bit.

Another problem I'm having is during pipe-breathing. Instead of breathing in slow and steady I gargle, like the noise that people make when they snore. Its very annoying.

All the time? Eventually try to control more your throat. But since it is your first week practice will pay out so that you get better control of your throat and that it is possible without gargling.

 

[Carl]

After my first week of EE I've experienced a lot of different things.

During pipe-breathing I feel frustrated but don't have the energy to punch pillows, so I just kind of moan or swear out loud instead. Afterwards I feel a sadness, like there is something wrong in my life. Its strange because I don't feel "all" of it. I think there is a lot of sadness to be let out, but at the moment I can only feel a small bit of it. I feel more of it after Baha. Its kind of like I'm numb and I'm being made aware of it.

I've also experienced this often. I find that the emotion leaks out over the hours and days afterward, and the more honest with myself I am, the more I pay attention to reality, the more often I can feel it. Feeling everything that's stored up all at once could be extremely overwhelming, so perhaps there is a good reason it seems to come out in small doses with many people.

During the meditation I've had a couple of long zone outs, one that went on for a few hours. I've been sleeping heaps better, and have had some interesting dreams, which are getting more clear but are still fuzzy. However, I find it hard to quiet my mind and focus on the Prayer, and get really frustrated with the thoughts that are floating around. Its hard to let go and observe. Any tips on this one?

It is best to go into the program feeling as relaxed and aware as possible. Do the stretches consciously, feeling each movement and each body part. Focus on how you let the breath flow in and out of you, and become aware, comfortable and relaxed in your body before pipe breathing. Tidy your room of any clutter or mess too, that's quite the stress reliever.

Before going into the meditation I find it's best to make a commitment to really give it your all, and put everything else on hold. The nagging thoughts from daily life can be temporarily put in a box as you relax into the meditation. Headphones totally help too!

Another problem I'm having is during pipe-breathing. Instead of breathing in slow and steady I gargle, like the noise that people make when they snore. Its very annoying.

Maybe you're constricting your throat too much? Pipe breathing really shouldn't be too much of an effort, as it's meant to be relaxing. Over time you'll probably gradually figure it out.

 

[Explorer]

After my first week of EE I've experienced a lot of different things.

During pipe-breathing I feel frustrated but don't have the energy to punch pillows, so I just kind of moan or swear out loud instead. Afterwards I feel a sadness, like there is something wrong in my life. Its strange because I don't feel "all" of it. I think there is a lot of sadness to be let out, but at the moment I can only feel a small bit of it. I feel more of it after Baha. Its kind of like I'm numb and I'm being made aware of it.

I've also experienced this often. I find that the emotion leaks out over the hours and days afterward, and the more honest with myself I am, the more I pay attention to reality, the more often I can feel it. Feeling everything that's stored up all at once could be extremely overwhelming, so perhaps there is a good reason it seems to come out in small doses with many people.

During the meditation I've had a couple of long zone outs, one that went on for a few hours. I've been sleeping heaps better, and have had some interesting dreams, which are getting more clear but are still fuzzy. However, I find it hard to quiet my mind and focus on the Prayer, and get really frustrated with the thoughts that are floating around. Its hard to let go and observe. Any tips on this one?

It is best to go into the program feeling as relaxed and aware as possible. Do the stretches consciously, feeling each movement and each body part. Focus on how you let the breath flow in and out of you, and become aware, comfortable and relaxed in your body before pipe breathing. Tidy your room of any clutter or mess too, that's quite the stress reliever.

Before going into the meditation I find it's best to make a commitment to really give it your all, and put everything else on hold. The nagging thoughts from daily life can be temporarily put in a box as you relax into the meditation. Headphones totally help too!

Another problem I'm having is during pipe-breathing. Instead of breathing in slow and steady I gargle, like the noise that people make when they snore. Its very annoying.

Maybe you're constricting your throat too much? Pipe breathing really shouldn't be too much of an effort, as it's meant to be relaxing. Over time you'll probably gradually figure it out.

Thanks you, Carlise. I think that when I pipe-breath I'm in the mind set of it being "serious business, no time for fun." I should relax and enjoy it, same goes for the meditation; if I get distracted I feel like I've messed up. Need to relax more. That's what its all about after all.

 

[Alada]

Another problem I'm having is during pipe-breathing. Instead of breathing in slow and steady I gargle, like the noise that people make when they snore. Its very annoying.

Maybe you're constricting your throat too much? Pipe breathing really shouldn't be too much of an effort, as it's meant to be relaxing. Over time you'll probably gradually figure it out.

The way we were taught was that when you exhale to imagine you’re trying to fog up a window or mirror by breathing on it, like we do as children to then draw pictures in it. If you do that (and why not practice for real) you notice that the throat doesn’t need to be tense to achieve the correct position. Have the jaw and muscles of the face relaxed and breathe gently out to create the condensation on the glass, then, hold that feeling/position in the throat and breathe in.

That said, sometimes on the inhale there can be a kind of snoring noise, and that’s okay I think. In fact if you place your thumb and forefinger either side of the larynx when that happens you can notice the vibration is in just the right place to stimulate the vagus nerve! Hence, probably not a problem. If you find it annoying, just remind that part of you to keep quiet so that the part of you that wants to relax, can relax! ;)

 

[Oxajil]

Thanks you, Carlise. I think that when I pipe-breath I'm in the mind set of it being "serious business, no time for fun." I should relax and enjoy it, same goes for the meditation; if I get distracted I feel like I've messed up. Need to relax more. That's what its all about after all.

Yes, and I also think the more you practice on concentrating on the POTS, the easier it will get. And I think the same goes for pipe breathing, the more you practice it, the easier you can perform it. I remember that in the beginning I would also make the snore-ish sound, but eventually could do it without making much noise. I've even performed pipe breaths in classrooms before doing presentations, and as far I could see nobody noticed! Like others have said, I would say that being comfortable is the most important, and you can check out the intro video once in a while to get the idea of pipe breath a bit better and then practice doing it in a more relaxed way. Fwiw.

 

[SeekinTruth]

Thanks you, Carlise. I think that when I pipe-breath I'm in the mind set of it being "serious business, no time for fun." I should relax and enjoy it, same goes for the meditation; if I get distracted I feel like I've messed up. Need to relax more. That's what its all about after all.

Yes, and I also think the more you practice on concentrating on the POTS, the easier it will get. And I think the same goes for pipe breathing, the more you practice it, the easier you can perform it. I remember that in the beginning I would also make the snore-ish sound, but eventually could do it without making much noise. I've even performed pipe breaths in classrooms before doing presentations, and as far I could see nobody noticed! Like others have said, I would say that being comfortable is the most important, and you can check out the intro video once in a while to get the idea of pipe breath a bit better and then practice doing it in a more relaxed way. Fwiw.

Yeah, I agree with the advise given by Carlise, Alada, and Oxajil. The important thing is to be comfortable and be able to relax. And if you find your thoughts wandering during POTS, don't stress over it, just bring your attention back to the POTS and continue. It does occasionally happen when random thought intrude, but it's best to not make a big deal of it, and calmly bring your attention back to the words. FWIW.

 

[Wunjo]

I've been reading up on a few of the experiences of other people so I'm no longer as freaked out as I was. I'd like to add my own experience to see what pops up here. I've been working with EE on and off since the DVD's first came available. The Pipe Breath works really well for me, I started using it in martial arts as well mainly as a calm down factor when things became tense, and it works wonders! When I do the pipe breath aspect of the program I get really tired and lethargic. Its as if my mind is leaving the situation. I am sure this is a clue of some kind. But I can say that I really like the pipe breath in general for all sorts of situations. My experience with the warriors breath is fairly new. I am finally in a situation where I can yell like a warrior, before it just hasn't been an option. I was trying to do an extremely forceful exhale to get the same physiological action. After actually yelling, I have found that its a whole different story and, for me at least, it adds an energetic component that is doing something. What it is doing I am unsure, maybe releasing something.
Now onto the Beatha portion. I hate this. Even writing this is making me teary eyed and frustrated. When I do the Beatha portion I just sort of fall apart. First, after breath 3 or 4 I get dizzy, then I have to fight this dizziness to keep going and it just gets worse. Then the panic and frustration set in. Next comes anger, serious anger and rage. Its at this point that amidst the oscillating frustration and anger coupled with increasing dizziness I have to fight with everything I've got to overcome the excuses to stop. At this point I'm not even out of the first round of slow breathing. Usually I just quit the entire program for a while after a Beatha session. Two weeks ago I started the actual CD sessions again, just the Pipe breathing at first and this week, I added Beatha back in (4 of 5 days a record!). It has been worse than before, now my feet, lips, inner thighs and hands went completely numb and didn't come back to me till 5 minutes after I was finished. (I sit in an upright chair for EE). I guess I am curious if perhaps I am doing it right. If this is what I am supposed to be experiencing then I'll power through, knowing I am working towards a higher cause. But if I am doing it wrong and I'm just experiencing some kind of adrenal dump I'd like to be corrected. And POTS? That's just cool, its like a warm bath after a rough day!

Thank you for everything!