Éiriú-Eolas - Breathing Program

[davey72]

I have realized that i often also feel a pressure in the forehead,due to reading about it in this post. I have felt this without the breathing though, and thought that it was just the way i was concentrating. Like maybe i was tensing muscles, or something. Concentrating on it right now i can feel this pressure as i write this. It is always right in the center of my forehead.
Also, something i have observed in myself is a very strong (can't think of the right word) inclination not to fully belly breath. Not while doing EE, but i have learned to belly breath as a natural way to breath. I often notice that i am breathing shallowly, and it takes great effort to fully expand my belly. I do believe that it has to do with stress, and anxiety that is coming from a sedentary lifestyle for me. I haven't been doing a lot lately.

Very good observations, davey72! Is there maybe a pattern to when you notice your stress and anxiety, versus being unaware of it? It might give you a clue to what things make you dissociate and what brings you back to yourself.

I have been working on this already. The biggest difference i have found is that i am more aware of when i am dissociating. It always brings me down. I am pretty hard on myself, but have been learning to try to keep my emotions about this in check, and simply observe. I have also been thinking of, and trying more healthy ways to dissociate. For example, i just got a new kitten yesterday, and when i have no motivation to do anything but watch tv, i try to at least watch documentaries, or The Dickens BBC series that have been mentioned on the forum. I also finally was able to get the knowledge, and being video # 5 finally, and am looking forward to watching it.
Lastly, i just want to say hi to you personally Herondancer, and say that i hope things are going well for you. :)
I also still get a lot of facial muscle twitching when pipe breathing that becomes quite pronounced when i haven't done it for awhile.

 

[malachi]

I have decided I am to conduct an experiment:
Practice the EE program twice daily for a week, morning and evening, I shall record state of being before and after, was reading to see how regularly to practice the EE program and noticed it is recommended to practice no more than twice a week, why is this? I think I shall do it anyway for experiments sake but it is good to know why.

 

[herondancer]

I have decided I am to conduct an experiment:
Practice the EE program twice daily for a week, morning and evening, I shall record state of being before and after, was reading to see how regularly to practice the EE program and noticed it is recommended to practice no more than twice a week, why is this? I think I shall do it anyway for experiments sake but it is good to know why.

The recommendation is to do the full program only twice a week, as the ba-ha portion of it can cause very strong emotional releases. It takes time to process them. Sometimes people gain so much material to work with, that they will take several weeks or several months off from the full program and only do the other exercises.

You can do the other exercises (pipe breath, warrior, and meditation) daily. It will be interesting to see what a twice daily program will yield, but do keep the baha exercise to twice a week tops.

Looking forward to seeing how your experiment works out. :)

 

[Altair]

I have decided I am to conduct an experiment:
Practice the EE program twice daily for a week, morning and evening, I shall record state of being before and after, was reading to see how regularly to practice the EE program and noticed it is recommended to practice no more than twice a week, why is this? I think I shall do it anyway for experiments sake but it is good to know why.

The recommendation is to do the full program only twice a week, as the ba-ha portion of it can cause very strong emotional releases. It takes time to process them. Sometimes people gain so much material to work with, that they will take several weeks or several months off from the full program and only do the other exercises.

You can do the other exercises (pipe breath, warrior, and meditation) daily. It will be interesting to see what a twice daily program will yield, but do keep the baha exercise to twice a week tops.

Looking forward to seeing how your experiment works out. :)

It's interesting. Can the Ba-Ha part be conducted separately from pipe breath, warrior, and meditation? Or the order is important?

 

[Alana]

I have decided I am to conduct an experiment:
Practice the EE program twice daily for a week, morning and evening, I shall record state of being before and after, was reading to see how regularly to practice the EE program and noticed it is recommended to practice no more than twice a week, why is this? I think I shall do it anyway for experiments sake but it is good to know why.

The recommendation is to do the full program only twice a week, as the ba-ha portion of it can cause very strong emotional releases. It takes time to process them. Sometimes people gain so much material to work with, that they will take several weeks or several months off from the full program and only do the other exercises.

You can do the other exercises (pipe breath, warrior, and meditation) daily. It will be interesting to see what a twice daily program will yield, but do keep the baha exercise to twice a week tops.

Looking forward to seeing how your experiment works out. :)

It's interesting. Can the Ba-Ha part be conducted separately from pipe breath, warrior, and meditation? Or the order is important?

When doing the Ba-Ha, the order is important. The pipe-breathing at the beginning stimulates the vagus nerve and allows our system to enter into a state of feeling relaxed and safe, so that we are then able to do the Ba-Ha and experience any repressed emotions that might come up without losing our balance and our mental equilibrium. Pipe breathing makes it safe for us to deal now with issues/emotions that we were not able to deal with in the past, in short. And then the meditation fills us with beautiful affirmations to ground us again, and even fill in a creative/objective way the void left from what was released. That's my experience and understanding so far. And yes, the rest of the breathing exercises can be done on their own, only Ba-Ha needs to be "put in context" so to say.

 

[Altair]

Thanks, Alana,

I wonder if somebody from the Forum practices Vipassana meditation. From my experience it's a great tool to release deep unconscious emotions and I'm trying to practice it along with EE (on Mondays and Thursdays full EE program, on the rest days Pipe+Warrior breathing + Vipassana meditation). Is anybody familiar with Vipassana?

 

[herondancer]

Thanks, Alana,

I wonder if somebody from the Forum practices Vipassana meditation. From my experience it's a great tool to release deep unconscious emotions and I'm trying to practice it along with EE (on Mondays and Thursdays full EE program, on the rest days Pipe+Warrior breathing + Vipassana meditation). Is anybody familiar with Vipassana?

I practiced a form of Vipassana meditation a long time ago. It was helpful to a certain degree, but looking back on it, I think the EE practice is far more effective. "Emptying the mind" leaves space for whatever to move in. Most of us are not aware enough or discerning enough to perceive if that's happening. The beauty of the EE program is that as you release the toxic parts of your psyche, you are simultaneously filling that space with positive, healing thought patterns. It improves your mental hygiene.

 

[Altair]

Thanks, Alana,

I wonder if somebody from the Forum practices Vipassana meditation. From my experience it's a great tool to release deep unconscious emotions and I'm trying to practice it along with EE (on Mondays and Thursdays full EE program, on the rest days Pipe+Warrior breathing + Vipassana meditation). Is anybody familiar with Vipassana?

I practiced a form of Vipassana meditation a long time ago. It was helpful to a certain degree, but looking back on it, I think the EE practice is far more effective. "Emptying the mind" leaves space for whatever to move in. Most of us are not aware enough or discerning enough to perceive if that's happening. The beauty of the EE program is that as you release the toxic parts of your psyche, you are simultaneously filling that space with positive, healing thought patterns. It improves your mental hygiene.

it's interesting. Thank you :)

 

[davey72]

Thanks, Alana,

I wonder if somebody from the Forum practices Vipassana meditation. From my experience it's a great tool to release deep unconscious emotions and I'm trying to practice it along with EE (on Mondays and Thursdays full EE program, on the rest days Pipe+Warrior breathing + Vipassana meditation). Is anybody familiar with Vipassana?

I practiced a form of Vipassana meditation a long time ago. It was helpful to a certain degree, but looking back on it, I think the EE practice is far more effective. "Emptying the mind" leaves space for whatever to move in. Most of us are not aware enough or discerning enough to perceive if that's happening. The beauty of the EE program is that as you release the toxic parts of your psyche, you are simultaneously filling that space with positive, healing thought patterns. It improves your mental hygiene.

I thought Vipassana meditation was a mindful meditation? Am i confusing the concept?

 

[Altair]

Thanks, Alana,

I wonder if somebody from the Forum practices Vipassana meditation. From my experience it's a great tool to release deep unconscious emotions and I'm trying to practice it along with EE (on Mondays and Thursdays full EE program, on the rest days Pipe+Warrior breathing + Vipassana meditation). Is anybody familiar with Vipassana?

I practiced a form of Vipassana meditation a long time ago. It was helpful to a certain degree, but looking back on it, I think the EE practice is far more effective. "Emptying the mind" leaves space for whatever to move in. Most of us are not aware enough or discerning enough to perceive if that's happening. The beauty of the EE program is that as you release the toxic parts of your psyche, you are simultaneously filling that space with positive, healing thought patterns. It improves your mental hygiene.

I thought Vipassana meditation was a mindful meditation? Am i confusing the concept?

Vipassana Meditation Explained: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNmxxbqJMxI

 

[Serendipity]

I'd like to share a memorable and perhaps symbolic dream I had not long after I first began to practice EE almost 2 years ago.

I don't remember much of the first part of a dream, only that it was set in what I understood was some other realm or planet, that was like a meeting ground for many beings and species from various different worlds. It reminded me of the atmosphere/scenery from "Star Trek" and/or "Star Wars", and everyone there was living in harmony with each other.

Then the dream switched and I was in a role of observer, standing on a hilltop and looking at the huge castle in the valley in front of me. It must have been more then 200 hindered meters wide, very beautiful and old, but also with very dark, "medievalish" feel to it.

Then my point of view shifted to the left, so now I could see the left end of the castle, which has also been the furthest away point from my point of view. What I saw there was interesting. From the far left end that stretched in the distance, the castle was being slowly changed/transformed into a glowing crystal castle. It appeared as if invisible vertical line is separating the crystal part from the "medievalish" part, effecting a stark contrast between the two sides. Only a small portion of the castle had been changed, but I got a feeling that it's ongoing process that's just begun.

Then my point of view shifted to the right, so that I was looking at the right end of the castle, which was actually almost right in front of me. Standing at the furthest right end of the castle was a very high tower, maybe some 200 feet high. Right away, it was obvious that the tower was the "darkest", most ominous part of the whole castle, and also I knew that it is cursed and haunted. Then, still from a distance, I was observing my embodied "self" who "played" a role of a knight, who has been advancing one floor at a time (from bottom to the top), clearing the tower from monsters/demons/ghosts in order to "unhaunt" it, but had also reach to the top for some reason.

Well, then I woke up and immediately thought that dream could be symbolic and probably connected to the fact that at that time I had recently begun practicing EE. My interpretation? Well, I guess the medieval castle being transformed to crystal castle from great distance to the right could perhaps symbolize the effects of EE (pots in particular) on our "higher selves" or subconsciousness, whatever you want to call it, and the knight in a haunted tower could perhaps symbolize the beneficial effects that combined practicing of Work and EE (pb and rb in particular) have on mind, body and emotion by helping to release trauma, resolve programs, detox, etc.. Or simply the struggles of doing the Work and cleaning the machine, with which EE assists a lot.

The following exchange with Cs comes to mind in regards to this dream:

Q: (L) I would like to know if you have any comments to make on the progress of our breathing and meditation program for the readers of our forum and perhaps other people who are practicing it about whom we know nothing?

A: It is already having effects in other realms.

Q: (L) What other realms?

A: 4, 5, 6D.

Q: (L) In what respect?

A: Humans should remember the hermetic maxim can go both ways in some respects. Those who are destined to "meet" themselves in the future can now do so with greater facility due to these efforts. We once said that "you in the future" could "rewrite" cosmic programs... that goes for others too. They are now learning the programming language.

 

[davey72]

A: Humans should remember the hermetic maxim can go both ways in some respects. Those who are destined to "meet" themselves in the future can now do so with greater facility due to these efforts. We once said that "you in the future" could "rewrite" cosmic programs... that goes for others too. They are now learning the programming language.

Very symbolic dream. We are learning the programming language, and Laura, and company are showing us this basic language that we can then use as a template for our own individual reality programs, via choices, and knowledge input. Very interesting indeed.


Mod's note: got rid of hanging quote tag

 

[Altair]

Hi everyone,

I have another question: could the Ba-Ha part of the program be done while lying in bed or is the upright position necessary?

Many Thanks

Altair

 

[pete02]

Hi everyone,

I have another question: could the Ba-Ha part of the program be done while lying in bed or is the upright position necessary?

Many Thanks

Altair

Whatever is most comfortable to you Altair. Many people do it laying down. I prefer to do it sitting up myself because I tend to nod out if I'm too relaxed but I have done it laying down and it is more comfortable.

 

[Nienna]

Hi everyone,

I have another question: could the Ba-Ha part of the program be done while lying in bed or is the upright position necessary?

Many Thanks

Altair

Just a fwiw, you can do the whole program in any position that is comfortable for you. However you feel relaxed. Some people do parts of it standing, or sitting in a yoga position, or sitting in a comfortable chair, or reclining in a recliner, or lying down. Some do the whole program in any one of these positions. The main thing is that you feel relaxed and comfortable throughout the program.