EMF Exposure

parallel said:
Do you mind me posting this on a closed FB group for the local EHS community? I've been trying to make some points about diet and cell protection but the complexity and disinformation curtain on this (and other areas) seems very heavy, perhaps your perspective presented as from an engineer (from an unnamed board that I frequent) would make way for some connective thoughts.
Not at all - that's what its here for! :)
parallel said:
You mention that you make grid-filters, would that be for dirty electricity? I got a book from british electro-engineer Steven Magee that has a diagram of a fuse board filter but must admit it's a bit to steep a project for my skills atm, but could perhaps build the simple plugs he presents in below video (a plug with a 1kv capacitor and a 1Mohm resistor in parallel and that's it), could I ask your thoughts on such a setup? (I'm basically looking for a much cheaper alternative to the GStetzer/Greenwave filters)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc8gC0DhqbQ
I wasn't clear in the intro to the quote. The e-mail comms were with one of the partners of Greenwave filters - we've been discussing some performance issues since I questioned them on the bandwidth cutoffs of their filters. If you look at the patent for the GS filters, you will see that it is primarily a capacitive network. GW has extended the design to operate out to 500MHz (GS is 150-200KHz). The GW filter should cut out most all RF that gets on your grid. I think you would be much better off in the long run to use one of these two filters. If you can find others to add to your order, you can get a good discount with quantity - check ebay.
 
Megan said:
parallel said:
Do you mind me posting this on a closed FB group for the local EHS community? I've been trying to make some points about diet and cell protection but the complexity and disinformation curtain on this (and other areas) seems very heavy, perhaps your perspective presented as from an engineer (from an unnamed board that I frequent) would make way for some connective thoughts...

I am getting a very bad feeling about the risks of EMF exposure. I have a very limited understanding of RF/microwave phenomena and only a high school background in biology, but when I started reading about the details of mitochondrial function, from the references given in the KD topic, the problem leaped out at me. And not surprisingly, the authors that are warning about cell phone dangers (never mind all the other sources of exposure) are pointing to metabolic disruption as a major effect.

This problem should be apparent to anybody with a functioning conscience that is half awake and has a basic understanding of the physics and chemistry involved. We are not hearing about it through regular information channels because it is being suppressed.

Suppressed and the studies are being diverted to look for root cause in the effects. My goodness - with the money that has been spent to date, there should be a definitive textbook on the subject!
 
Megan said:
parallel said:
...Endorsing a KD with IF and resistance training is probably too radical for most, even sequestered EHS people. Or so it seems from my EHS group, but regulating metabolism with a diet high in fats would go a long way towards cell protection, OSIT. I haven't found any studies yet showing direct relations on well fed cells and their protection against EMF but it makes a sense that just having a strong cell membrane will withstand a good deal of the stresses. Then if you had a well regulated metabolism and updated mtDNA what difference in protection would that not make...

A KD might promote faster repair or cleanup after EMF damage has occurred, and possibly help avoid cancer, but I haven't seen so far that using fats and ketones as inputs would make us less vulnerable. A stronger cell membrane might be able to withstand more abuse but it can't stop EMF, I don't think, and if what's inside the membrane has just been cooked, it's over for that cell.

The metabolic cycle is only part of the problem. The electrical aspects of cell function in general are likely to be disrupted by EMF, and those seem to be woven throughout all cell processes. That's what happens when you design on a molecular level, I guess.

And of course this adds to light and chemical pollution and all of the other factors that can act against maintaining good health. It's not a very nice picture. To me it says, reduce the exposure while you work on what is most important for you to work on, but you can't avoid it all.

Yes, each individual needs to intuit/decide which major challenges to address first in a long-term program to work the known stressors we have today - like what parallel described. It will be different for everyone. That's part of the reason that I think that a book that covered the three major areas (stressors): diet, toxins, and EMF could really help a lot of folks.
 
Is it possible our intentions can align the cell wall potentials? For instance, the more potentials in a given space that are aligned, will they be more resistant to interference - electrical or other? Moreso than broken up random potentials? Does this make sense?

If so it reminds me of the C's transcripts where they talk about mental blocking and righteous anger in helping to mitigate EMF issues. Can accurate perception and appropriate response align our cell potentials, as though in uniting our being in appropriate response and action?
 
monotonic said:
Is it possible our intentions can align the cell wall potentials? For instance, the more potentials in a given space that are aligned, will they be more resistant to interference - electrical or other? Moreso than broken up random potentials? Does this make sense?

If so it reminds me of the C's transcripts where they talk about mental blocking and righteous anger in helping to mitigate EMF issues. Can accurate perception and appropriate response align our cell potentials, as though in uniting our being in appropriate response and action?
Well, I wouldn't rule out anything at that level as impossible, but our (collectively) current physical/emotional/mental state definitely leaves us vulnerable.
 
parallel said:
Do you mind me posting this on a closed FB group for the local EHS community? I've been trying to make some points about diet and cell protection but the complexity and disinformation curtain on this (and other areas) seems very heavy, perhaps your perspective presented as from an engineer (from an unnamed board that I frequent) would make way for some connective thoughts.
It is important to embrace the entire triangle of exposure. There are people (like EHS folks) who focus on environment solely and neglect somewhat their inner state (feeling unable to change). They understand little about diet and do not know that it is one point which bears notable importance. They know about mercury as uppermost dangerous poison perhaps but they lack knowledge about more subtle food ingredients. On the other hand, there are people who investigate very carefully what they are taking in day by day. However, the danger for those people is in neglecting one's environment. Thus it is vital to see the larger picture on the one hand, and to recognise one's own position therein on the other hand and working towards a healthier state accordingly.

LQB said:
Well, I wouldn't rule out anything at that level as impossible, but our (collectively) current physical/emotional/mental state definitely leaves us vulnerable.
Yes, the bottom line is, we are weak and vulnerable, not Qigong masters. Our conscious efforts and will do not change this fact first and foremost.
 
The VGA adapter arrived today and it works: The connection to the monitor does no longer emit any detectable radio frequencies.
 
Sirius said:
The VGA adapter arrived today and it works: The connection to the monitor does no longer emit any detectable radio frequencies.

Good deal!! :)
 
Yeah, and it's good to know that some new transmission cables may produce such noise (it may be not relevant for TVs etc. but if you are close to electronics like at your working place, things must be safe). I have not found any information about that yet though. But the cause must be the digital transmission using certain frequencies, etc.

I have also luck and I can send the old(new) DVI cable still back to Amazon. So I will do it tomorrow since I must send away also other packages and mails.
 
I am kind of glad I have been taking precautions against cell phone and cordless phone exposure...

On the association between glioma, wireless phones, heredity and ionising radiation.
_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22939605?dopt=Abstract&utm_source=buffer&buffer_share=fe3dd

Study: 290% Increased Risk of Brain Tumor After 10 Years of Cellphone Use
_http://naturalsociety.com/290-increased-risk-of-brain-tumor-10-years-cellphone-use

As I noted on FaceBook, next come the industry denials.
 
While translating LQB's post, and actually trying to understand it, this bit had me puzzled:

LQB said:
The likely mechanism lies in the energy factories in all of our cells – the mitochondria. These guys are responsible for the energy that drives all systemic function. They use ions to set up millivolt level potentials over very small distances to control the chemical reactions that generate ATP (and mop up the byproducts like ROS). Converted to volt per meter, these fields are huge and explains why a large static E field is not a problem.

I gather that the reason the cell's electric field is huge is because of the small distance in distributing voltage, but still why is a large static E field not a problem?

Unrelated but is it true that there are electric fields that have no magnetic fields associated?
...​
I'm doing an animated mockup for an augmented-reality app that will show invisible influences, one thing I'd like to do is EMF (and later use the method and style for a youtube info vid) but am unsure how the different fields would look, act and reach from different setups (appliances, towers, Earths EM).

I assume this video is somehow accurate (in representing fields)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO3KtxRMVSs

problem is I don't know what the machines are, and their fields are quite different. So my question is if anyone knows of sources that illustrate the different fields from different sources and how they might move. Not really looking for simulation math at this point, rather something visual and approximately accurate.
...​
For those interested there's a bio-electricity course (Sep-Nov) at Duke Uni online (registration needed through coursera.org, lots of other free courses from uni's around the world -some with diplomas).
 
parallel said:
...Unrelated but is it true that there are electric fields that have no magnetic fields associated?...

Any static field. No current, no magnetic field produced.
 
parallel said:
While translating LQB's post, and actually trying to understand it, this bit had me puzzled:

LQB said:
The likely mechanism lies in the energy factories in all of our cells – the mitochondria. These guys are responsible for the energy that drives all systemic function. They use ions to set up millivolt level potentials over very small distances to control the chemical reactions that generate ATP (and mop up the byproducts like ROS). Converted to volt per meter, these fields are huge and explains why a large static E field is not a problem.

I gather that the reason the cell's electric field is huge is because of the small distance in distributing voltage, but still why is a large static E field not a problem?
Because the static e-field would have to huge to compete. Apparently it is rapidly changing fields with high frequency content that more easily penetrate the body tissues. Static or very slowly varying fields affect surface layers.
parallel said:
Unrelated but is it true that there are electric fields that have no magnetic fields associated?
...​
Yes, and mag fields that have no electric field (for practical purpose). But as soon as there is a condition (like an antenna) that couples to free space radiation, you have a transverse EM (TEM) wave with both electric and magnetic components (like a cell phone).
parallel said:
I'm doing an animated mockup for an augmented-reality app that will show invisible influences, one thing I'd like to do is EMF (and later use the method and style for a youtube info vid) but am unsure how the different fields would look, act and reach from different setups (appliances, towers, Earths EM).

I assume this video is somehow accurate (in representing fields)?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO3KtxRMVSs

problem is I don't know what the machines are, and their fields are quite different. So my question is if anyone knows of sources that illustrate the different fields from different sources and how they might move. Not really looking for simulation math at this point, rather something visual and approximately accurate.
...​
If you want to illustrate the primary EMF threats, you might want to use both line and points sources for electric and magnetic fields for AC/grid lines and appliances. For pulsed comm signals in the environment use TEM waves. For cell phones, look for illustrations of near field dipole radiation - maybe something that illustrates the radial component to the field.
 
parallel said:
I'm doing an animated mockup for an augmented-reality app that will show invisible influences, one thing I'd like to do is EMF (and later use the method and style for a youtube info vid) but am unsure how the different fields would look, act and reach from different setups (appliances, towers, Earths EM).
Good luck! Here is another video trying to visualise EMFs: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KMAHcvuXN0 (albeit unimpressively done)
 
An update from Powerwatch, http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/news/20121022-cambridge-wifi.asp:

PRESS RELEASE by Safe Schools Information Technology Alliance

This free important public meeting is open to everyone with an interest in education and health.

"Open Forum: Wifi in Schools - is it a risk to our children's health?"

William Mong Hall, Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge
URGENT !!! Tuesday 23 October at 7.30 pm !!!

Professor Olle Johansson will call for a halt to the installation and use of wifi in schools at a public meeting in Cambridge. Professor Johansson is an internationally recognised expert on the health effects of radiofrequency radiation, which includes microwaves.

Also giving important talks will be Dr. Erica Mallery-Blythe, a medical doctor who specialises in emergency medicine and electrohypersensitivity, and Dr. Isaac Jamieson, an architect and physicist specialising in environmentally healthy buildings. There will be time for open discussion.

The next three paragraphs have been edited for better clarity
Wifi in schools exposes children to microwave radiation 6 hours a day, 5 days a week, year after year. Children are known to be especially vulnerable to microwave radiation. And evidence shows that it may damage health. The introduction of iPads into schools will greatly intensify children's exposure. In 2011 the report of the UK HPA's £ 330,000 publicly funded investigation into the radiation levels from WiFi devices more than confirmed the criticised high signal levels shown by Alasdair Philips of Powerwatch on the controversial and now famous BBC Panorama program on WiFi. The HPA measured signal levels over twice the level we did from some laptops - 1.3 V/m at 1 metre away - their model children must have long arms!, and 2.6 V/m at 1 metre distance from Access Points.

They say that the time-averaged output power of WiFi devices will generally be lower than that of mobile phones. The exposure from WiFi devices is also likely to be lower than from personal mobile phone use by the head because the antennas tend to be further away from the body. Of course with ipads the antennas are often very close to the children's reproductive parts. And though the time-averaged power levels may generally be lower, the peak signal levels are very similar - because there are longer gaps between the data pulses. Biologically that may even be worse. Low level continuous signals are thought to be less biologically active.

So, if we say that the exposure from WiFi is half that from a typical mobile call being made by someone standing close to you, when we have 20 pupils and 2 Access Points in a classroom all using WiFi devices, it is like having about 12 people in the room continuously on their mobile phones. Unless the laptops are actually switched off, this exposure to several volts per metre pulsing RF occurs throughout the day. If the classroom had a wired network, none of that exposure would occur. Yet the UK Health Protection Agency continues to advise schools that there is no reason not to use wifi.

Increasing issues being reported as being linked with continuous low-level pulsing microwaves from WiFi and simular sources include attention, concentration and memory problems, behavioural problems, headaches, irritability and fatigue. Certainly problems that parents and teachers do not want to see in their children.

Governments outside the UK take the issue seriously. The German Federal Government has advised everyone, not only children, only to use wifi when really necessary and to preferentially used wired networks. The director of the French Health and Security Agency has said, "the time for inaction [on wifi] is past". The Council of Europe has called for schools to have wired connections to the internet, not wifi.

One of the organisers, Martin Aitken, said, "if leading scientists contradict the Health Protection Agency's advice to schools on wifi, then parents in the UK have good reason to be worried."
 
Back
Top Bottom