Enforcement of VAX escalating

[Joe]

For me, I now have very little personal duty or responsibility to anything or anybody.

Other than to the person to whom the most serious responsibility must be borne: yourself.

 

[placematt]

This is just getting ridiculous now.

I get where this comes from. There's times I've sat there and thought about wishing judgement, suffering, pain on these people I perceive to be pathetic and weak and bending the knee, rolling over so easily and ruining the world for all of us.

Then I remember how often I have to repeat stupid mistakes to learn really basic lessons in life, how humanity is just that on a grand scale. Who the hell am I to judge? And who are you to judge?

Couldn't agree more Carl. I have been reading High strangness and this exert from Political Ponerology came up. I feel its most fitting.

May the reader please imagine a very large hall in an old Gothic university building. Many of us gathered there early in our studies in order to listen to the lectures of outstanding philosophers and scientists. We were herded back there, under threat - the year before graduation in order to listen to the indoctrination lectures which recently had been introduced, .... For ninety minutes each week, [the "professor"] flooded us with naive, presumptuous paralogistics and a pathological view of human reality, We were treated with contempt and poorly controlled hatred. Since fun-poking could entail dreadful consequences, we had to listen attentively and with the utmost gravity

"You can't convince anyone this way!" we whispered to each other. "It's actually propaganda directed against themselves." But after such mind-torture, it took a long time for somone to break the silence. We studies ourselves, since we felt something strange had taken over our minds and something valuable was leaking away irretrievably. The world of psychological reality and moral values seemed suspended as if in a chilly fog. Our human feeling and student solidarity lost their meanings, as did patriotism and our old established criteria. So we asked each other, "are you going through this too"?

Each of us experienced this worry about his own personality and future in his own way. Some of us answered the questions with silence. The depth of these experiences turned out to be different for each individual. ... You can just imagine our worry, disappointment and surprise when some colleagues we knew well suddenly began to change their world view; their thought-patterns furthermore reminded us of the "professor's" chatter. Their feelings which had just recently been friendly, became noticeably cooler, although not yet hostile.

I think it's more important not than ever to really take stock of our own thinking. I will say in my own head, there has been a slight pull to project how i feel onto others. To treat others how i want to be treated. But this i would think has great repercussions on FRV. On our values and although things seem to be heading downwards, who do we want to be in this time.

 

[bjorb]

If you want to be a force of resistance choose your battles wisely.

It is actually true that if they manage to mandate the vaccine without immediate consequences they will not stop there. From there it can only get worse. A lot worse.

Should the punishment be to go to jail if you refuse the vaccine I have no problem with that.

Just for a contribution to overload the system. And then how are they going to lock up all those millions of people? It's actually quite a fun show to follow. Mainly because the PTB are losing their grip.

I am also quite curious about the possible allies I will meet there. I'm also behind on reading all the books so may well use the time for that.

But should it be tactically better to accept the vaccine for now I will. An interesting discussion to follow.

 

[BHelmet]

I understand this is getting tedious. However it might be dragging on because there is still something to be discovered.

For the Hard Line in the Sand People, It might be like a test. A way to advance their soul in their own way through this challenge. A way to test their own mettle whether it is truly necessary or not. So let them. None of us really knows what we will do until we are standing on the high diving board and look down. It is a way to make a difference in this world. I do get why some people are so amped up. To “stand down” is to acquiesce to self destruction of humanity for them.

For the Don’t cut off your nose to spite your own face group, I get that too. Why make assumptions that might not be true or as dire as it seems? Why hasten you’re own destruction? Why paint yourself into a corner? Some times you can just stand there and say nothing and get passed over. Bottom line, it doesn’t matter either way. We will learn from it. Different lessons.

 

[Keit]

References from Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia only go so in far in today's environment that is very different in many ways from those periods of history. Those measures you mention were part of the conditioning of the population.

I can say this about Soviet Union. People knew and understood the so called "voluntary mandatory" concept. When the Party said something was "voluntary", but left you no choice, it was in effect "mandatory". There were all kind of things like this, and with time people learned how to live with them.

It's the source of Russian low trust in anything that comes from the government. Sure, there are plenty people like this in the West, but the difference is that there is a sort of visceral understanding that there is no point, or even dangerous to "come to the attention of the authorities" (just like the Chinese curse).

That even when "oppressed" it's possible to have a degree of freedom when the governing body is sure of its governing ability.

For example, what Joe said in one of the last show on YT. That when it comes to international travel, it appears that PTB often don't even need to create harsh controls, because it seems that people are "governing themselves". Even sometimes "too well".

So a good lesson from that is that as long as the government sees you as one of the "party members", you have degrees of "freedom" (or being left alone) opening up that wouldn't be possible if you were in a constant opposition.

And so everyone probably will have to make a choice what is more important to them, or what would be more applicable/responsible in accordance with their personal situation.

 

[SOTTREADER]

If you want to be a force of resistance choose your battles wisely.

It is actually true that if they manage to mandate the vaccine without immediate consequences they will not stop there. From there it can only get worse. A lot worse.

Should the punishment be to go to jail if you refuse the vaccine I have no problem with that.

Just for a contribution to overload the system. And then how are they going to lock up all those millions of people? It's actually quite a fun show to follow. Mainly because the PTB are losing their grip.

I am also quite curious about the possible allies I will meet there. I'm also behind on reading all the books so may well use the time for that.

But should it be tactically better to accept the vaccine for now I will. An interesting discussion to follow.

Been seeing a lot of people on social media saying things like:

"That's me going to the camps then"
"See you guys in the camps" etc

The longer this goes on the more hardened people are becoming in their stance of resistance really and even though severely outnumbered, the numbers are just too large for the PTB to do something and still maintain the mask of civility. For example, in the UK now there's a legal challenge to the government about proportionate actions and in specific, is it proportionate to force a jab on the last remaining 8% of refusers in the NHS? The government will be walked in to a corner where it'll look like a bully. To save face, of course they will walk back the mandate.

It will be interesting to see what happens in Austria and Germany come February.

I think Biden won't be able to impose his will on the whole of the US. The liberal states will become fascist but some of the red states will hold strong and unless he decides to push for some form of war then he'll just have to walk things back. Also there are the mid term elections next year so let's see the amount of rigging they'll get through especially now when many are expecting it.

The UK I think is interesting. Really the wall that is stopping the elites from really going like the Austrian government are the "laws" already in place and the history of Britain's role in WW2 (e.g. on why most are hesitant to show their "papers").

So to me feels like whilst some geographies are really embracing the darkness, others are digging in for a long battle.

At the beginning I was quite worried that many would compromise and now that I realise those who won't number in millions (c.4 million) at least here in the UK, I'm feeling rather optimistic. I'm expecting the numbers to be replenished when a couple million double jabbed refuse the booster. Also knocking on the door are all the injured looking to be heard and seeking compensation - they can only be ignored for so long. Also don't forget after winter comes summer and it'll be a hard sell then. Also we're now going into year no.3... fatigue will start setting in. Also, governments will soon have to turn to the economies which will push focus away from jabs. Also, people will see what is happening in other countries and it won't "taste" nice in their mouths. E.g. who could have watched this and thought it tasted nice? Even a good % of pro vaxxers would have vommed in their mouths.

So it's just a matter of biding time and digging in for now and not giving an inch (and many won't give an inch regardless of what people say about compromise and perspective). PTB basically have to remove their mask of civility and doing so means they may lose leverage. Sooooo.... keep on resisting is my motto.

 

[bjorb]

Been seeing a lot of people on social media saying things like:

"That's me going to the camps then"
"See you guys in the camps" etc

The longer this goes on the more hardened people are becoming in their stance of resistance really and even though severely outnumbered, the numbers are just too large for the PTB to do something and still maintain the mask of civility.

They have to go full fascists to do the things they want to accomplish. And when they do. We will win the hearts and minds. You can't win a war without it. Especially in the long run. Enjoy the show ;)

 

[liam1310]

Catching up here on the comments. Just want to chime in, if I may. I think people should have more trust, more faith in who they are, souls on a journey here on planet earth. These times are like no other, similarities to the past, yes, but not the same. We choose to come here and go through this madness, if you're meant to survive in order to help others in whatever way, nothing can stop that. With knowledge and awareness, keeping eyes and ears open, make decisions based on available knowledge without fear of the consequences and know what will be will be. Getting the jab in order to be of service to others may be part of your journey.

Your soul is what matters, I think that's one of the important lessons to be learned and lived by and trusting that you will survive for as long as necessary. Whats happening in the world is not happening to us, but for us to learn and grow and face our fears. We are preparing for 4d, so understanding it's the soul that matters is important to learn and live by this understanding. All is lessons, we are not battling the system, the battle is through us, with the choices we make and the reasons for those choices should be aligned with serving others.

Just some thoughts, for what its worth.

 

[Risen]

Getting the jab in order to be of service to others may be part of your journey.

And not getting the jab in order to be of service to others might be a part of your journey.
To each his own. You have to do what feels right for you.

 

[Sybil]

Been seeing a lot of people on social media saying things like:

"That's me going to the camps then"
"See you guys in the camps" etc

The longer this goes on the more hardened people are becoming in their stance of resistance really and even though severely outnumbered, the numbers are just too large for the PTB to do something and still maintain the mask of civility. For example, in the UK now there's a legal challenge to the government about proportionate actions and in specific, is it proportionate to force a jab on the last remaining 8% of refusers in the NHS? The government will be walked in to a corner where it'll look like a bully. To save face, of course they will walk back the mandate.

It will be interesting to see what happens in Austria and Germany come February.

I think Biden won't be able to impose his will on the whole of the US. The liberal states will become fascist but some of the red states will hold strong and unless he decides to push for some form of war then he'll just have to walk things back. Also there are the mid term elections next year so let's see the amount of rigging they'll get through especially now when many are expecting it.

The UK I think is interesting. Really the wall that is stopping the elites from really going like the Austrian government are the "laws" already in place and the history of Britain's role in WW2 (e.g. on why most are hesitant to show their "papers").

So to me feels like whilst some geographies are really embracing the darkness, others are digging in for a long battle.

At the beginning I was quite worried that many would compromise and now that I realise those who won't number in millions (c.4 million) at least here in the UK, I'm feeling rather optimistic. I'm expecting the numbers to be replenished when a couple million double jabbed refuse the booster. Also knocking on the door are all the injured looking to be heard and seeking compensation - they can only be ignored for so long. Also don't forget after winter comes summer and it'll be a hard sell then. Also we're now going into year no.3... fatigue will start setting in. Also, governments will soon have to turn to the economies which will push focus away from jabs. Also, people will see what is happening in other countries and it won't "taste" nice in their mouths. E.g. who could have watched this and thought it tasted nice? Even a good % of pro vaxxers would have vommed in their mouths.

So it's just a matter of biding time and digging in for now and not giving an inch (and many won't give an inch regardless of what people say about compromise and perspective). PTB basically have to remove their mask of civility and doing so means they may lose leverage. Sooooo.... keep on resisting is my motto.

I have similar impresson on the situation in the UK. Much ado without much legal force...

 

[dredger]

Intense discussion.
Difficult to sum up for me, at least, if i have to take into consideration my relatives in this summary.
For myself : i don't worry about vax until i'll really be in front of a choice. Up to know it was easy to avoid it. I prefer to concentrate and use my energy on :
- learning
- spread info to my relative to help them to see what is going on
- go on with the various projects i'm on (personal or company)

I just want to point out that maybe we have some people here who are in front of the wall (ie : have to make a choice to get vax or not), and that is not easy for them. This could partially explain why some are arguing, with good arguments, that it's finally not as bad/deadly as it seems to get jabbed, at least the 2 first doses, because indeed, the subject becomes more complex if you take into consideration the following doses.

So, my main message here is simple : courage, hold on if you are able to, don't despair, focus on the solution and not the problem, focus on your projects, eventually on some relatives that need or better ask for help. Continue to shine, jabbed or not.

 

[Joe]

It's interesting to notice that a kind of identity politics has crept into the analysis of this situation by some here. People who take the vax are being described as being 'dupes of the NWO' etc. and their reasons for taking the vax defined as weakness and/or malevolence. In the same way that someone might say "all Muslims are..." some here are saying "all vaxers are...."

The fundamental error in this kind of group labeling when it is used to describe the experience of the individual is well known. The obvious fact that the lived experience of the individual occurs, and is only relevant and useful for understanding, at the level of the individual, appears to be not so obvious to some.

The point being, when you say "all vaxers are....[insert pejorative]" this is, for the most part, NOT true when the actual details of the reasons that any one individual decided to get the vaccine are considered. My mother, your father, her aunt, his grandmother, did not get the vaccine for any reasons relating to the NWO blah blah blah (to paraphrase Greta Thunberg). They did it because they were/are scared, confused, traumatized and attempting to do what they are told is necessary in order to live their lives unmolested by authorities.

If anyone wants to excoriate those people for that, lump them all into the 'evil' group and thereby dehumanize them, then go ahead, but you won't find any support for such deliberations from people who have a deeper, more nuanced, more compassionate, less self-absorbed, and more accurate reading of the situation.

More pointedly, such uninformed and myopically self-centered "reasoning" won't be allowed to hold sway on this thread, or anywhere else on this forum. There are plenty of other places where such 'thinking' can be freely indulged.

 

[Risen]

I hear you Joe. I think it’s only fair to say that people who have decided to not take the vax under any circumstances should also not be accused of being martyrs or idiotic idealists or something of that nature. They are also making a decision possibly in fear of themselves or people they love being turned into a soulless human or something they feel is a fate worse than death. I think some people of each side of the fence have exhibited a little self importance in this thread. Just my opinion.
*Edited for clarity

 

[PopHistorian]

"all vaxers are....[insert pejorative]" this is, for the most part, NOT true

Perhaps more simply put: we're all subject to believing lies, and we do. This is a forever, ongoing issue.

 

[Tauriel]

You can go to the session transcripts subforum and, in the search bar, change "everywhere" to "this forum" before performing the search, to narrow it down a bit. There might be a better way, not sure..

Thank you, Brandon