Enforcement of VAX escalating

[SOTTREADER]

The point being, when you say "all vaxers are....[insert pejorative]" this is, for the most part, NOT true when the actual details of the reasons that any one individual decided to get the vaccine are considered. My mother, your father, her aunt, his grandmother, did not get the vaccine for any reasons relating to the NWO blah blah blah (to paraphrase Greta Thunberg). They did it because they were/are scared, confused, traumatized and attempting to do what they are told is necessary in order to live their lives unmolested by authorities.

Yup and this is one of the threads that mean the PTB need to be churning out the fear, in order to keep these people in a state of terror.

Whilst a good chunk of pro-vaxxers will be in support of the jab passport, they won't be in support of it as a permanent feature nor will they be in support of it for each successive jab.

Whilst most may be in support of some form of segregation, they won't be in support of "concentration" camps or imprisonment of refusers or indeed forced vaccinations.

There's quite a few things that mean even the pro-vax won't necessarily support the "true" agenda. The PTB have to work really hard to maintain the state of terror in these people and I fear they are losing that war. Omnicron isn't proving to be apocalyptic thus far.

I think the only provaxxers that one should be weary off are simply the most extreme ones - those who think you shouldn't have a choice. Ultimately really the anti-vax stand is that of bodily autonomy and very few would disagree that an individual should have autonomy over their body.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

This may not seem related, but when Gurdjieff said to treat your mother and father as god, even if they were merde, I didn't understand this. But then I read this, and my understanding changed a bit:

Gurdjieff You must forget the past. You are a responsible man and you must begin to pay by your existence. Your parents, your father and mother, are the first cause of your existence. They are for you like God. He only returns to someone when their parents have died. God loves he who loves his father and mother. Why? Because he prepares a place for God.

Now, without manipulation, if you begin to understand that it is necessary to pay, think no more of the past. If it was bad, that was a misfortunate. But your father, your mother, remain God for you. Be now a source of rest for them, that they may live tranquil lives. For twenty years they have been restless and anxious for you. They have a right to rest. You are obliged to become a source of rest for them. From one side, do everything so as not to irritate them, and from the other side do everything so that they may feel happy. Take as a task that your parents may love you wish a true love. They can only love you if you incarnate their ideal. If your father loves for you to steal well, then you must learn to steal, become a good thief.

Philippe L. Monsieur, this poses some very serious questions! When my grandmother gave me something, she made to swear to never give anything away to anyone. For her to be pleased I had to become something horrible, abominable.

[Note that the published translation changes this so that what Philippe’s grandmother did is left to the imagination.]

Gurdjieff Interiorly, it is necessary to detest her for that, but exteriorly it is necessary to do it.

P.L. Exteriorly, in front of her, but not in reality?

Gurdjieff Of course, it is criminal to create such a thing in a child.

P.L. How can one love one’s parents when it is necessary to hate them?

Gurdjieff You are obliged. It is your duty. Your individuality must.

P.L. Because it is idiot to wish to correct one’s parents. Impossible.

Gurdjieff It is possible, when one is very strong. You must only fulfil your duty. It is an idiot who forever wishes to change others when one cannot change oneself. Interiorly, on the one hand, you do your duty. On the other hand, repair your past and prepare a better future.

I'm still not sure I entirely agree. But here's how I see some of the implications. This is external considering - playing a role on the outside while keeping your inner self separate. How many of us can do this? It is easy to vent to our relatives, tell them they're stupid, implying that we are so much smarter, well-informed, and righteous. But what does this accomplish?

I can share things I think I know. Maybe they will listen. I can even be forceful about my convictions. But there is a time and place. If, after conversations of this sort, a family member decides to get vaccinated, what will I then do? Berate them? Make them feel stupid? Or speak to them in such a way that they know I still love them, regardless? Inside, I may think, "Well, if they die, then they deserve it, and I won't be the one to cry on their grave!" But again, what benefit is there from saying this to them? Or from me even thinking like this? Am I wishing to change them?

This is very similar to the stories we have all read about living under harsh totalitarian systems or times of mass violence. Gurdjieff and Lobaczewski's uncle both had to pretend to be Red or White during the Russian civil war. Gurdjieff had to be very cunning in Paris during the Nazi occupation. The principle is the same. Adapt where necessary, but don't let those adaptations to the external world touch your internal world - or at the very least try your best to do so.

It may be the case that the world needs martyrs. But it also may be the case that most martyrs are as mechanical as everyone else - they serve a cosmic purpose, if not a fully conscious one. One of the main goals of this forum is embedded in something G says above: "It is an idiot who forever wishes to change others when one cannot change oneself." If you can go to your martyrdom with an inner calmness, I can respect that. But if you're emotional, with resentment and a sneer on your face, that is just as mechanical as the rabid dogs on the other side of the fence.

 

[Dreamweaver]

Apologies for a lack of write up, at work and playing around with drywall. I'm pretty excited to post this here and see what others have to say, this thread has been pretty split and this video may resonate with many of you.

 

[Dreamweaver]

Apologies for a lack of write up, at work and playing around with drywall. I'm pretty excited to post this here and see what others have to say, this thread has been pretty split and this video may resonate with many of you.

Forgets to post said video..

 

[Tauriel]

More pointedly, such uninformed and myopically self-centered "reasoning" won't be allowed to hold sway on this thread, or anywhere else on this forum. There are plenty of other places where such 'thinking' can be freely indulged

Honestly I'm a bit disturbed about how this thread has developed, the tone applied by some and how it seems to go in circles.

Obviously there are a lot of people here (me included) who fight a constant inner battle about what to do and what to avoid at all costs.
Why is that? Is it really conviction or is it fear?

Faith is seldomly mentioned and the pictures painted here often look as if all is already said and done about how this will develop when this and this happens.
How can we know? Because we follow all the non-mainstream-information and chose our camp?
If others experience only a bit of the 'two-voices-inside-the head' as I do, then one could admit that one is not so sure at all what to do and what will happen.
So I decided to take this step by step, letting the universe point me into this or that direction.
I set my goals for shorter periods of time. For now I've decided to get this body (and soul) into spring without getting the jab.
In the meantime I want to work on my programming and gain more knowledge.
Thinking constantly about vaccines, NWO, digital passes and so on stops me from looking within and it seems that it can create a similiar fear mode as the 'covid panic' many people experience.

I like options: resistence, fight, protocol, bought certificates, wet cupping....
So there are many options, some we might not even see today. DCM might have other things in store as well. Mother nature can chime in.
When we get fixated on one outcome and one solution we diminish the endless ways of divine creation and faith with knowledge, imo.

 

[axj]

I think that we all agree on a few things:

- We should refuse compliance to the vaxx passport system for as long as possible and not give in too easily
- Each individual situation is different and some or many of us may have to participate at some point

And we probably also agree on:

- Taking the vaxxes is not the only way to participate in the vaxx passport system
- If your country becomes one of the first to succumb to overt totalitarianism, then consider leaving if possible

Even in places like Germany, Austria or Australia the percentage of people who do not comply is still at least 20-30%. It may become lower with the fear tactics being used, but even if 5-10% of the population continue to stand strong, the plans for fines or jailtime are likely to fail due to the sheer number of people. There is simply not enough jail space and the legal objections to the fines would lead to an overwhelming of the court system.

It is true that the PTB may still be too strong and will win this fight at least in some countries. Or this may be actually the breaking point at which their system will begin to unravel due to too much resistance. The future is open.

As to the dangers from the injections, it does appear that two or even three injections do not lead to noticeable damage in most people. Will this continue to be the case after 4, 5, 6 or even more injections? We simply don't know.

Furthermore, traditional vaccines may become available at some point - they already are in some countries like Russia.

 

[United Gnosis]

So you're in Neil's camp, so idenitifed, so sure, so myopic, about this situation that you think it justifies being extremely offensive to your brother on the basis of a supposed "fact" you hold that is, in fact, largely false.
noxious ass. And who could reasonably disagree with him.

How desperate are you to present yourself as correct? Why do you assume it was an 'identified' statement? How would that work?

I'm standing here, and it seems you're the one who's identified on my brother's behalf. You don't know him, and you mostly don't know me. My brother's Asperger's, 160+ IQ, a far throw from psychopathic but emotionally colorblind. There are no emotional ploys that work in conversation with him. That is exactly why I said what I did the way I did, and there was no triggered element in it. We were discussing quietly, methodically as we usually do, and when he expressed disbelief that adverse effects could affect his daughters, I brought him back to reality. Not with a 'fact', as you misrepresent it to serve your argument, but with a pattern, "at this rate, by the time they're 18..." which is obviously a prediction, based on implicit assumptions, i.e. that the vaccine rollout for children will continue ignoring any hiccups, and that a booster or more would be mandated yearly.
Those implicit assumptions were obvious in the way my statement was formed, and the way we usually discuss. Still, I was guessing at around 10 boosters per child, and since they love running and an active lifestyle, the threat might be even greater. So I assumed an order of magnitude of the impact. Sue me.

It's funny that, by your approach, just discussing a topic with uncomfortable implications is enough for you to show up and assert more external consideration is needed in the discussion. But you have no problem reading my post, identifying with my brother and throwing names at me. It doesn't feel in any way like you sought to understand not only what I said to my brother, but why I shared this with the board. You have also failed to appreciate the nuance, that I am not on Neil's side, but I understand the need to express a last desperate heart-cry, "if you go that way, there'll be nothing I can do to help you". That's what it means.

Thanks for asking.

 

[Wandering Star]

I think this conversation has spun out of control, somewhat and some of the points that have been made may have been missed by some.

If this continues I believe we will dive deep into a hole of hypothetical scenarios and historical precedents and we will all be exhausted and end up not making much progress, mostly because of the difficulty to accept some nuance thinking.

If I may, I'd like to recap, do vaccines carry a degree of danger? yes they do.
Should we attempt to avoid doing something that could be defined as reckless by getting them? yes
Is it true also that most people that have had the vaccines do not experience any negative symptoms? yes
should we then attempt to avoid them at all cost? that's up to each individual to decide.

And that's where the crux of the conversation lies, no one here is going to be able to make that decision for anyone else, thankfully. And as such, it truly cannot be defined as feeding the beast or furthering a totalitarian world order or the coming of the antichrist or what have you, and even if it could, well.. so does every single other choice we make on a daily basis, in this reality. Heck, logging in to my computer to type up these words, as I sit on my couch consuming internet and electricity makes some banker richer... feeding my dog makes a rather large corporation grow even larger as I purchase food from them, you get the idea.

I think that's not the point of being aware of what's going on, being aware of the shenanigans that the 4D STS group gets up to is not to escape reality, is to be able to make a courageous choice, a more aware choice. The C's are not answering questions about our reality so that they may avoid us some pain, they're answering because the questions are asked, and so that we may meet whatever is inevitably coming, with grace and understanding, if we choose to, not so that we may skip the lessons.

We all chose to be born here today, we all chose to be in this day and time where mandates are a thing, why would we do that? did we all make a mistake? I daresay we didn't, I daresay that we specifically came here for the very difficulties we have in front of us.

It was mentioned earlier in this thread that we're more than bodies, and I think that the truth of that statement is being missed. Do you think your existence would end should you get a shot? then if so, I think you may have deeper underlying issues to address with your health and your inner state, if that is what would stop your growth and your learning and your experience, then there's a lot bigger issues to address.. or... you're missing the truth of the fact that we're more than bodies.

What I meant by having faith on what we've done is tied to that idea, have faith in the fact that all the knowledge you've gained and applied, and your life choices and habits have transformed you in ways that cannot be seen and cannot be taken away with a vile of experimental chemicals. In short, have faith in who you are, every day, not in who you were born as, but in who you choose to be daily, this has an effect on our DNA and that is what determines how our bodies will react to what we come in contact with.

Facing the possibility of a vaccine with the same fear as people last year faced the possibility of a flu, will get us in the same mental place, completely controlled by our emotions, and hijacked by our amygdala, and as such, if all we seek is to resist single-mindedly, damned be the costs, then is that really living and not merely surviving?

And so, resist if you can, as long as you can afford to, but remember that it's who you are and what you see that matters, despite of what happens to you. And vaccines I daresay, will HAPPEN to most people in this forum, I don't think many of us will choose to get them thinking that they're going to save us from covid, it'll become a simple matter of strategy in order to keep on being able to be who we are. And that matters because we may continue to support this work and be living examples of the world we wish to be, or whatever other useful thing we do with our lives, being an unvaccinated hermit might be admirable in terms of independence, but they also sound rather isolated from a network of likeminded individuals.

And what better way to stick it to the man? to see them rub their hands thinking that all they needed to do was to vaccinate everyone to make them compliant and it doesn't work despite them being successful?

I hope the above made sense.

I subscribe to what you have said up to the last comma.

Very good.

 

[Rabelais]

Seeing the media pushing enforcement of vax, and here in France, mandatory vax for over 65, I was a bit apprehensive when I arrived at the hospital yesterday for my 6 month MRI and saw a line of people ahead of me showing their QR codes to a dour fellow at the entrance. My turn came and I simply said "rendezvous for scan." He waved me in without a word. I then found the queue for the scanner check in. I was handed the usual check list questionnaire form; "allergies? medications? etc," and noticed that a new item had been added, "vaccinated?" I ticked the No box, signed it and handed it back. Absolutely no reaction from the check in nurse. I was called in, had the scan and left.

Is it possible that I was just lucky and dealt with jobsworths who really had no commitment to being enforcers, or is there a culture within healthcare that knows the whole thing is BS and only go through the motions? My sparkly, highly porous party mask did get some comments, but no critiques.

It seems to me that the pressure point for vax enforcement is coming through employers, school, etc., and not the health care people... at least those are my observations here in the backwaters of France.

 

[genero81]

In addition, I don't believe that the comets are going to save us, or that the cosmos has an implicit bias towards benevolence. The universe responds to freewill, and whoever has the most power in a given locale at a given time determines whether the environment is good or evil. Soldiers and weaponry are certainly one kind of power, but not the only one, love and camaraderie can be another. These kinds of power carry different levels of current based on their intensity, but in order for one side to prevail that equation has to balance, if the side which relies solely on guns and stormtroopers has more "voltage," then evil wins the day. At this point, it appears that any resistance to the "stormtroopers" is abysmally weak, and the upper echelons at least are aware of the Earth changes and have rolled them into their plans. 4D STS is most certainly aware. The comets introduce an element of chaos which present an opportunity, but enough bunkers and underground bases exist that the agenda will continue. Sooner or later a real battle must occur where people will have to either fight for their freedom or accept enslavement. Meeting a gruesome end is likely, but the final outcome has not yet been fully determined.

From our perspective, it doesn't appear that "the cosmos has an implicit bias towards benevolence." But the C's did say that there were "quadrillions" of STO worlds out there. We just don't happen to be one of them.

Then there was the session that spoke of "splitting realities." Then the C's said something that I found a little cryptic; "you understand the concept, now you have to decide if you believe it."

Maybe a good question for you as well?

 

[SOTTREADER]

Should someone say it? We don't want to lose good people over idiotic causes - to this end I urge @United Gnosis and any other person highly identified with the "no vax" stance to not forget themselves and their humanity even in the face of disagreement. There is no need for over-aggression towards those who seek to challenge you and present a different viewpoint. Know who you are and if you don't agree, simply do just that but don't react back in a way that lowers the ideals you wish to stand for.

Just saying this as it's not worthwhile losing you in this trench when the war is far greater.

 

[United Gnosis]

Should someone say it? We don't want to lose good people over idiotic causes - to this end I urge @United Gnosis and any other person highly identified with the "no vax" stance to not forget themselves and their humanity even in the face of disagreement. There is no need for over-aggression towards those who seek to challenge you and present a different viewpoint. Know who you are and if you don't agree, simply do just that but don't react back in a way that lowers the ideals you wish to stand for.

Just saying this as it's not worthwhile losing you in this trench when the war is far greater.

I understand and appreciate your intent. I'd be curious to hear who's really identified with a stance or another, though. Who's doing the over-aggression, I wonder...

 

[SOTTREADER]

I understand and appreciate your intent. I'd be curious to hear who's really identified with a stance or another, though. Who's doing the over-aggression, I wonder...

What about if someone was to say to just let it go and walk away without having that question resolved.

It's not worth the trouble you'll go through and in the end you won't have an answer anyways.

 

[Don Cesar]

Seeing the media pushing enforcement of vax, and here in France, mandatory vax for over 65, I was a bit apprehensive when I arrived at the hospital yesterday for my 6 month MRI and saw a line of people ahead of me showing their QR codes to a dour fellow at the entrance. My turn came and I simply said "rendezvous for scan." He waved me in without a word. I then found the queue for the scanner check in. I was handed the usual check list questionnaire form; "allergies? medications? etc," and noticed that a new item had been added, "vaccinated?" I ticked the No box, signed it and handed it back. Absolutely no reaction from the check in nurse. I was called in, had the scan and left.

Is it possible that I was just lucky and dealt with jobsworths who really had no commitment to being enforcers, or is there a culture within healthcare that knows the whole thing is BS and only go through the motions? My sparkly, highly porous party mask did get some comments, but no critiques.

It seems to me that the pressure point for vax enforcement is coming through employers, school, etc., and not the health care people... at least those are my observations here in the backwaters of France.

Hello Rabelais, my uncle and my aunt, 85 and 81, both unvaccinated, went to the hospital for a consultation recently, were they lucky too? No QR was asked of them for entry or exams ... So I agree with you on your analysis.

 

[Wandering Star]

This may not seem related, but when Gurdjieff said to treat your mother and father as god, even if they were merde, I didn't understand this. But then I read this, and my understanding changed a bit:

I'm still not sure I entirely agree. But here's how I see some of the implications. This is external considering - playing a role on the outside while keeping your inner self separate. How many of us can do this? It is easy to vent to our relatives, tell them they're stupid, implying that we are so much smarter, well-informed, and righteous. But what does this accomplish?

I can share things I think I know. Maybe they will listen. I can even be forceful about my convictions. But there is a time and place. If, after conversations of this sort, a family member decides to get vaccinated, what will I then do? Berate them? Make them feel stupid? Or speak to them in such a way that they know I still love them, regardless? Inside, I may think, "Well, if they die, then they deserve it, and I won't be the one to cry on their grave!" But again, what benefit is there from saying this to them? Or from me even thinking like this? Am I wishing to change them?

This is very similar to the stories we have all read about living under harsh totalitarian systems or times of mass violence. Gurdjieff and Lobaczewski's uncle both had to pretend to be Red or White during the Russian civil war. Gurdjieff had to be very cunning in Paris during the Nazi occupation. The principle is the same. Adapt where necessary, but don't let those adaptations to the external world touch your internal world - or at the very least try your best to do so.

It may be the case that the world needs martyrs. But it also may be the case that most martyrs are as mechanical as everyone else - they serve a cosmic purpose, if not a fully conscious one. One of the main goals of this forum is embedded in something G says above: "It is an idiot who forever wishes to change others when one cannot change oneself." If you can go to your martyrdom with an inner calmness, I can respect that. But if you're emotional, with resentment and a sneer on your face, that is just as mechanical as the rabid dogs on the other side of the fence.

In fact, my parents, in their attempt to get me to do what they think is best for me, have already told me several times: "If you get sick with covid because you are not vaccinated, don't expect us to go see you to hospital"!

I smiled and said, "Yes, okay. Okay!"