Enforcement of VAX escalating

[SOTTREADER]

What if, instead of dying on this hill right now, you had better timing, waited, and found yourself some better leverage in future?

I think, and I could be wrong, one of the key points from people like @axj and @psychegram is that there is unlikely to be a hill to "die on". If anything, it's a hill of endless "inconveniences".

It might help the discussion if people actually pointed out an actual hill that currently exists where those who say "no" are dying on.

 

[Carl]

My grandma got Moderna, after being on the fence for awhile, the TV eventually won out. I was surprised after our talk of adverse reactions and the low lethality of the virus, but after a heated discussion I recognized that she had her choice to make and I had mine. I told her that I wouldn't shed a single tear for her if it killed her, which hurt her, but she made her bed so she can sleep in it. Human sentimentality is little more than a weakness in this environment.

This is just getting ridiculous now.

I get where this comes from. There's times I've sat there and thought about wishing judgement, suffering, pain on these people I perceive to be pathetic and weak and bending the knee, rolling over so easily and ruining the world for all of us.

Then I remember how often I have to repeat stupid mistakes to learn really basic lessons in life, how humanity is just that on a grand scale. Who the hell am I to judge? And who are you to judge?

You sound like those rabid lefties who hate their parents for some perceived racism or lack of woke ideology etc.

Many in this thread are now seeing this from a "battle for the soul" perspective. If you ask me, if you are identified with something that has such a hold over you to create such a bitter, hateful thought with total lack of compassion, empathy and perspective, you can be pretty sure STS are currently winning the battle for your soul.

 

[Carl]

I think, and I could be wrong, one of the key points from people like @axj and @psychegram is that there is unlikely to be a hill to "die on". If anything, it's a hill of endless "inconveniences".

It might help the discussion if people actually pointed out an actual hill that currently exists where those who say "no" are dying on.

There are an endless number, and many people out there will choose to die on many of them.

The key thing we have in this network, as opposed to the various groups warring out there in the world thinking they can change things, is perspective.

We see the full scale of the rise and fall of pathocracy, of the cycles of civilization, of the sheer size of the cosmic forces at play, and of the potential of a new world.

There are many ways to play this game, but we choose to play it based on our perspective.

 

[United Gnosis]

What if your responsibility to people doesn't just include those in your immediate environment, of which there may be few, but also anyone in the potential "future" that you could have helped on any given timeline, had you made different choices?

I'd have thought my responsibility to others would start by not fomenting a beast system in the first place, but if you prefer to participate in expectation that the situation might call for you later, whatever floats your boat

 

[Tauriel]

I hear you all and know this battle of thoughts only too well: will I decide to dy on this hill or will I fight AND adapt as things enfold?
Do I want to be an hero for a day gaining nothing for others or am I willing to sacrifice something to be able to help others along the way?

To give an example: I've collected a lot of material things in the past 20 months: food, medication, fire wood etc. It's not supposed to be all for myself but the time may come when I can help a diabetic with this or an alcoholic or an hysteric or someone out in the cold and hungry or someone going insane with fear etc.etc.

Didn't the C's say something along the line that those who will get through this will not get through this for themselves but to help others to find their way in confusing times?
(I still haven't found out how to search the transcripts for quotes, sorry)

 

[brandon]

(I still haven't found out how to search the transcripts for quotes, sorry)

You can go to the session transcripts subforum and, in the search bar, change "everywhere" to "this forum" before performing the search, to narrow it down a bit. There might be a better way, not sure..

Here's the quote you mentioned..interesting context surrounding it in the session..

Q: (L) So you're saying that - and I guess you've said it before - that the importance of tuning the antennae of a group of people, the importance of staying awake and aware, is because you then become a receiver for creative energies?

A: Yes yes yes!!!

Q: (Joe) Is it that people who have a certain awareness which is equivalent to information or ideas or conception of the world in their mind, that this contributes building blocks for a new reality?

A: It is not that those who endure to the end will be saved, but that those who endure to the end shall save others. It is your choice to be among those who choose to be a part of the vanguard of the new reality!!!

 

[United Gnosis]

This is just getting ridiculous now.

I get where this comes from. There's times I've sat there and thought about wishing judgement, suffering, pain on these people I perceive to be pathetic and weak and bending the knee, rolling over so easily and ruining the world for all of us.

Then I remember how often I have to repeat stupid mistakes to learn really basic lessons in life, how humanity is just that on a grand scale. Who the hell am I to judge? And who are you to judge?

You sound like those rabid lefties who hate their parents for some perceived racism or lack of woke ideology etc.

Many in this thread are now seeing this from a "battle for the soul" perspective. If you ask me, if you are identified with something that has such a hold over you to create such a bitter, hateful thought with total lack of compassion, empathy and perspective, you can be pretty sure STS are currently winning the battle for your soul.

I'm sorry, but it seems that you are responding to your own interpretation, not to what was said. Why do you assume hate and ill-intent?

I feel like I understand what was said, because I had to say similar to my pro-vax brother. Not that I think it is appropriate towards a grandmother, too harsh to be a functional communication, but there is a point in there that can hardly be expressed otherwise.

For context, both my brother and his wife are jabbed, intellectually smart but tending to conformism. Even as of month ago he still disbelieved types of adverse events. I have no problem with that, but he has 5 children, and now our province is opening up the jabs to their age category. We were talking about it, I mentioned how serious the thrombosis/clotting/myocarditis looked as a pattern, he retorted, 'yeah, but that's only for men' (he has 4 daughters, 1 son). He had the intonation that it was no big matter, and it would be done either way. I had to answer, "well, you've got 5, if you get them jabbed at the rate it's going odds are you'll lose 1 by the time they're 18. Don't expect me to show up to the funeral.'

I delivered the line, not dead-pan, just dead serious. It was harsh, intended to strike a nerve. So what? Do you think reality would be any less harsh to him if one of his daughters became disabled, or worse, from the jab? Do you think I would judge myself any less harshly then, if I knew I hadn't even made a move to embody the harbinger?

When I said that, it was silent, so I couldn't say it was like a lightning bolt hit him. But it felt like it, Who knows what considerations he went into. I didn't ask, nor will I have to concern myself with it again with his personal business. He knows I fully respect his authority to his children, but I also communicated my perspective in a single statement. "I'm not going to empathize with you if you're the one to bring them down when you should already know better", is what it meant. I'm pretty sure he was smart enough to realize it.

Anyways. That's what Neil's words reminded me of. They sounded somewhat harsher, I'd say due to speaking to a grandmother who's not necessarily equipped with the context to understand the hidden implications of that heart-cry. It'd probably be best to patch things up if possible, to clarify the meaning, especially now that it's a fait accompli either way. But I understand why it the communication seemed necessary in the moment.

 

[Joe]

That isn't even slightly the point. This is not some abstract mental slavery. It's quite concrete. A slave is defined as a human whose body is owned by another. Ownership is the ability to do as one will with one's property. If one does not have control over what goes into their body, one does not own it; the person choosing what goes into it does. Therefore one is a slave.

Yes, it is abstract mental slavery, that much is very apparent. As for the vax: choosing (regardless of what kind of information you used to make that choice) to have a vaccine and then carrying on with your comfortable modern lifestyle as mostly normal is CLEARLY NOT the same as life of LITERAL slavery. I can't believe you're continuing in this very obtuse vein.

 

[Sybil]

Many in this thread are now seeing this from a "battle for the soul" perspective.

I guess it is the influence of superhero movies when you knock yourself out in the bad vs good scenario, while you munching on your popcorn and sipping your coke in the armchair. Life is not a superhero movie. There are no two identical people in terms of life views and circumstances.
If you want to resist until death, that's your choice, but don't try to force your view on others.
I'm not into this martyrdom scenario. I understand and value those people who make their stand, but I wish they would understand me and value my opinion on my situation. I have an opinion on slavery. I think we have been slaves for thousands of years. The only difference is now, that before, we had an appearance of freedom, now this appearance has been removed. You lived in an illusion in all your life and now you have to face it. Deadly vaxx? How about deadly everything? Where do you live before? In paradise with pristine water, air, food, and limitless knowledge and abundance? NO. You lived in this poisonous, malfunctioning world but you only shouting martyrdom now because your house is on fire. BUT this is only my perspective. I understand if others feel a different way and I'm not attacking them. If you are into this them and us, the STS got you. We need to learn to laugh at ourselves when we take this life too seriously or we could become a laughing stock ourselves with our obsessions to be right. Some might want to ask this question: Why am I want to be right? Is it because what I'm saying could help others, or do I want to be right purely for self-gratification?

Lighten up, folks. This is not the end of the world, or is it? If it is, do what you need to do to save your soul in grace and dignity and be compassionate towards your fellow human being.

 

[Wandering Star]

Obviously it's bad if one fully believes the lie and accepts it into themselves, however, it's also pretty bad if one knows the lie to be a lie, knows it to be monstrous and evil, and bends one's will to it regardless. Both of these are damaging to the soul, I think.

A person "travels" down a road. Suddenly two huge people who are experts in martial arts impede your step and so that you do not try to pass by the way they give you a savage beating.

You defend yourself, but there is nothing to do, you take a huge beating. Broken ribs, huge bruises, etc ...

In no case has your soul bent, in fact it is the opposite.

And most people would turn around and no longer try to follow that path.

But you don't, you will analyze it calmly and you will find a way to avoid the two bullies.

 

[Joe]

For context, both my brother and his wife are jabbed, intellectually smart but tending to conformism. Even as of month ago he still disbelieved types of adverse events. I have no problem with that, but he has 5 children, and now our province is opening up the jabs to their age category. We were talking about it, I mentioned how serious the thrombosis/clotting/myocarditis looked as a pattern, he retorted, 'yeah, but that's only for men' (he has 4 daughters, 1 son). He had the intonation that it was no big matter, and it would be done either way. I had to answer, "well, you've got 5, if you get them jabbed at the rate it's going odds are you'll lose 1 by the time they're 18. Don't expect me to show up to the funeral.'

So you're in Neil's camp, so idenitifed, so sure, so myopic, about this situation that you think it justifies being extremely offensive to your brother on the basis of a supposed "fact" you hold that is, in fact, largely false. The simple, objective fact about this topic is that the VAST majority of people on this planet who get the vaccine will not only not die at ANY point in their lives as a result, but will not even experience any negative side effects. And yet you "predicted" to your brother that one of his children would die at a young age. Well done.

I delivered the line, not dead-pan, just dead serious. It was harsh, intended to strike a nerve. So what? Do you think reality would be any less harsh to him if one of his daughters became disabled, or worse, from the jab? Do you think I would judge myself any less harshly then, if I knew I hadn't even made a move to embody the harbinger?

You justify rudeness and potentially damaging your relationship with a family member on the basis of your pet theory that his child might die at a young age due to being vaxed. And this is despite the fact that his child's chances of dying from the vax are as small as their chance of dying while swimming for example. Why didn't you throw that in too? I mean, you could have pointed out that since he bought his children swimming costumes, he was being irresponsible because that would encourage them to swim and there is a chance they might die at an early age from drowning, and that in that case, "don't expect me to show up at the funeral".

When I said that, it was silent, so I couldn't say it was like a lightning bolt hit him. But it felt like it, Who knows what considerations he went into. I didn't ask, nor will I have to concern myself with it again with his personal business. He knows I fully respect his authority to his children, but I also communicated my perspective in a single statement. "I'm not going to empathize with you if you're the one to bring them down when you should already know better", is what it meant. I'm pretty sure he was smart enough to realize it.

I'd say he probably thought you were being an obnoxious ass. And who could reasonably disagree with him.

 

[Wandering Star]

For me, I now have very little personal duty or responsibility to anything or anybody

Without the bicycle it is impossible to learn to ride a bicycle.

 

[SOTTREADER]

There are an endless number, and many people out there will choose to die on many of them.

I'd ask for a few solid examples just because I genuinely don't know what these hills are.

Using the UK as an example - under what circumstances would you die for not taking the jab other than getting covid and actually dying? (Which can happen if you get the jab too) If I'm a care worker and lose my job which is the only mandate currently present in the country, I can go work in other industries and get paid a similar amount. No NHS worker has currently been fired for taking the jab.

Please give some examples.

On actual jobs, the UK is actually facing a recruitment crisis in most industries.

UK facing worker crisis with 1,600,000 jobs unfilled due to Brexit and new rules

The number has soared thanks to a perfect storm of the Covid ‘pingdemic’, Brexit and changes to immigration rules.

metro.co.uk

 

[SOTTREADER]

To lighten the mood

 

[MatiaS]

It feels as if we're starting to run in circles now.

Perhaps the back-and-forth in this thread is a microcosmic representation of this key issue.

It's undeniable that this issue (jab or no jab) is being put on a pedestal, by design surely. Shouldn't we then ask ourselves why this is so? Why is so much energy and attention being focused towards this duality? When in history has there ever been such a push for segregating a part of the global population?

Is this dichotomy being put front-and-center in order to keep us distracted from something else? Or is there more to it?

In my view it also can't be disputed that the jab is a clear stepping stone towards transhumanism and all that that entails, I don't think we should forget that.

For me personally, I'm not afraid of the potential side-effects of the jab, nor death. It's just that there's this cloud of ominousness surrounding the whole thing which is telling me to stay away. I acknowledge that this is more a emotional/intuitive stance, but I find that by combining all what we're learning about the jab with my logical deductions of what my choices in my particular circumstances are, I still am leaning heavily towards not complying.

To be clear I'm not advocating martyrdom and as was pointed out, maybe the course of things won't be much altered by some of us dying on our hills. Everybody should choose what they deem to be the best course of action in their particular circumstances.