Enforcement of VAX escalating

You can make a last stand now once they make the vaccines mandatory or wait until people massively refuse their third fourth fifth booster. Now you stand alone, in a year or 2 you will have an army behind you. Time is on our side.

I understand that out of frustration, fear, or even desperation, people now want to stand up and take on the state. But from a tactical standpoint, that makes no sense. Tyrants can only be taken down with forbearance and timing.
 
When my family and my wife family asked why I do not want to take the jab (they all did) , I pointed out that as they of course are aware I'm not a doctor , so I have to approach the issue from a different non medical point of view , and I explained these well known documented facts which I consider red flags:

Each and every government signed a letter of indemnity to the companies manufacturing the vaccine , so in case of adverse effects / death they will not be held responsible.
Which company will not stay behind their product? Can you imagine if you go to buy a car/fridge of whatever and the guy tell you "OK congrats for your new car , by the way if breaks down tomorrow , we do not want to know about it, it's your problem " I do not believe they will sell too many.

Usually to manufacture a vaccine will take many years of trials , especially if we are talking of something new as these kind of vaccines , however as we all know they have been rushed very quickly and presently no one really knows of the effect on medium /long terms, they are experimental.

In order to take the jab you have to sign and informed consent form , but by its very nature this could (and should) go both ways , so I can say that I informed myself and that I do not consent.

Then truth to be told I went slightly esoteric , if you want , and pointed out an universal law that I guess all people here are familiar with , I just said that more something is far away from the truth and more force/coercion /propaganda etc... is required in order to be accepted as truth , and that no one can deny the amount of force and propaganda used to force this experimental drug on everybody ,so something is not quite right.

My final argument was actually a question : do not they find strange that we are deemed smart enough to drive , to have a job , to drink , to have political/philosophical or religious views but not smart enough to make our own assessment about something so important as our own health?

I did not try to scare them saying vaccines are dangerous and they could die , or that God knows what's inside , that the statistics showing the number of deaths from the virus itself or the vaccine adverse effect are manipulated etc... nothing of these scary arguments (we know that there are certain risks maybe not great but still , and we know that official media cannot be trusted etc... ) , I know that if I used them ,they will be counterproductive and frankly , with numbers one can demonstrate everything and the contrary of everything , furthermore I did not want the famous "conspiracy theory" word to come out , instead I simply presented few well known facts on which anybody can agree as true facts, no conspiracy here ..................and somebody blinked ...

My intention was not to proselytize , to convince anyone , just to explain my line of thought as to why I do not want the jab..and somebody blinked ..I'm sure that they will think about what I said .....and maybe change their mind... or at least realize that another point of view is possible..
 
Joe said:
Yeah, and those 'other events', at this point, are unknown, although there seems to be increasing background noise pointing to the US and global economy teetering on the brink. If a major crisis in that area occurs, then yeah, they can forget about segregation on vax status being a 'thing' that people care about.
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Totally agree, if something more important comes up, people will ask themselves other questions ... On the other hand, I have the impression that they are a little blocked by the future French presidential elections for strengthen their measures ...
 
Don Cesar said:
Totally agree, if something more important comes up, people will ask themselves other questions ... On the other hand, I have the impression that they are a little blocked by the future French presidential elections for strengthen their measures ...
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Yeah, in France the elections next April mean that there'll be no progression on vaccine tyranny until after that time, which makes it clear that all of this is about political/social control rather than about health. But who knows what situation we'll be in by then..
 
Tauriel said:
After feeling irritated at first I now came to really love this thread.
Somehow over night I feel more at ease with my conflicting voices.
What you all said got in and was processed into a more peaceful state. It didn't change my plan to go step-by-step but networking really helped extrapolate the real danger. So many insecurities were laid bare by many here (including myself) that it made way for a more objective stance.
Thank you all for contributing.
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We'll put that down as a win then! It's not easy discussing hot topics that impact on our personal lives and those we love and our sense of security, and I'm not perfect at it for sure, but as long as there is an understanding that no offense is intended, and a willingness to be open and sincerely listen to feedback and question our own assumptions, a path forward will always open up.
 
SOTTREADER said:
Should someone say it? We don't want to lose good people over idiotic causes - to this end I urge @United Gnosis and any other person highly identified with the "no vax" stance to not forget themselves and their humanity even in the face of disagreement. There is no need for over-aggression towards those who seek to challenge you and present a different viewpoint. Know who you are and if you don't agree, simply do just that but don't react back in a way that lowers the ideals you wish to stand for.

Just saying this as it's not worthwhile losing you in this trench when the war is far greater.
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Well here we are on special ground, family. A brother is a bit different thing than a neighbor. The next variable in play is where a person fits in the Enneagram of personality. This last one will definitely decide how a given subject is tackled.

Personally, if I was dealing with my brother and I clearly though he was getting ready to jump over the cliff, yet he was still sitting and listening, then I would forcefully convey to him how grave the situation he was thinking putting himself in. When lives are at stake I would go hard to try and try to stop him, as suggested by UnitedGnosis. But that's just me ;-)
 
Yes, thank you for this thread. Previously I have felt I have let the network down from having the jab. Saying that it was mainly down to my own personal demons but also some responses from threads here also had an effect.
I want to share a story that I went through today. I visit offenders at there homes and I saw a chap who lives with his sister. His sister has had Covid and nearly died earlier this year.
She is now terrified to leave the house with the new Omicron push. She literally dare not leave, she looked awful compared to the last time I saw her.
I said to her we as humans need to interact. We cannot be healthy without fresh air and exercise. I suggested she walk to the shops with her husband and just waits outside.
She point blank refused you could feel the fear emanating from her. Also you could see how happy she was to talk to me as no doubt she's spoken to the same people for the last 12 months.
The psychological impact that this whole Covid narrative has had is unbelievable.
It is a very sad thing to witness on both sides of the coin.
I apologise if this should be in the Covid thread, if so please move the post.
 
This has indeed been an emotionally valuable thread, and I'd like to thank everyone who's participated.

The advice to keep our heads and not get lost in hysteria regarding the effects of the vaccines is important. While they are certainly quite terrible relative to previous vaccines, in an absolute sense, the risk is small and that's important for everyone to keep in mind. Of course, that's based only off of what is currently known - the current rate of adverse reactions - and not on what might be i.e. the long-term effects, which we simply cannot know. And that gets to something that I think is really important, which is fear.

TPTB have quite obviously been cultivating panic over Covid, and to whatever degree people succumb to it they win. However, there's a flip side of that, which is fear of what they might do in the future - the various forms of tyranny that they might succeed in implementing, the various nightmare scenarios that might manifest in the future if they get their way, together with the various horrific consequences that might transpire if the vaxx is a slow-burn depopulation bomb/technological control interface/soul-murdering spiritual weapon/etc. It is very easy to attempt to protect oneself from the emotional assault of virus fear-mongering by embracing alt-media fear-mongering; in both cases one is ruled by fear, and unlikely to act rationally ... and emotionally dominated minds are easily manipulated. Either way TPTB win.
 
I'll put in my few cents into this discussion.

We have an experimental substance that has NOT completed Long Term Effect Studies. The already available data (only thanks to the Japanese) showed that this mRNA goes to ALL ORGANS in the body. This substance is/was pushed on millions ,if not already billions, of people. Next in line are children. Serious adverse events are being noticed and were noticed by Pfizer during Phase II trials, death included. Serious issues are being noticed with how adverse events are tracked and followed at hospitals, few logged but many not at all. Serious issues are noticed in how "vaxxed" population is defined (not from the moment of injection, not after X months have past) which then reflects on the statistics of vaxxed vs. unvaxxed. ..... I could go on but lets stop there.

General picture, this is one ugly situation in which we have an illness that can avoided using prophylactics as well with available drugs if it occurs, but none of that is happening. What happens instead is people being forced into an experimental study (Phase III which ends in 2022/23) .

Having see the track record of vaccines produced by Pfizer and others in the Past, I'd say one is entering a cheap casino where none of the machines can be trusted. So what do you do ? If I verified the above statements to be true then I'd say fight not to get vaxxed and do what you can to warn others. There is no middle ground in my opinion. How we convey this to others is tricky, as I have found out personally. Tough time for sure. Doubly tough for those who are just operating on intuition when in a discussion with others as this situation requires data and knowledge (available on this forum).

With strangers I use the "Listen and Observe" method so as not to be pushy.

With family I lay out what I know and watch. If no one is interested in more than I don't push. However, I definitely go further with family than with strangers in potentially making them uncomfortable, as I think I have a broad enough knowledge now to see where many of the traps are that get them lost, IMHO ;-) .
 
psychegram said:
TPTB have quite obviously been cultivating panic over Covid, and to whatever degree people succumb to it they win. However, there's a flip side of that, which is fear of what they might do in the future - the various forms of tyranny that they might succeed in implementing, the various nightmare scenarios that might manifest in the future if they get their way, together with the various horrific consequences that might transpire if the vaxx is a slow-burn depopulation bomb/technological control interface/soul-murdering spiritual weapon/etc. It is very easy to attempt to protect oneself from the emotional assault of virus fear-mongering by embracing alt-media fear-mongering; in both cases one is ruled by fear, and unlikely to act rationally ... and emotionally dominated minds are easily manipulated. Either way TPTB win.
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I recall in Jan/Feb 2020 while reading about what was going on in China and Italy, initially I was a bit on my guard and did rush off to buy some masks (cheap ones). Then as always I started my old routine to collect data. Through good fortune I read good comments that led me to solid information sources. The two that stand out in those early days were Prof. Wolfgang Wodarg and Dr. Sucharit Bhakdi. Once I listened to them, I next followed up their information with others on their level. From this point on my fear level dropped to near zero. The knowledge I obtained from them allowed me to do that. Yes, they could be wrong but my fear was eliminated thanks to information that I was convinced was from people who were not lying. Additionally I have been condition from past events not to trust the TV or what gov. officials say. That combination helped me to avoid fear.

Unfortunately my process will be next to impossible for people 70 and above. That is the segment of the population that is probably most dependent on TV and radio to get their information. It's sad to think how misled they have been and might be if they land in a hospital.
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Neil said:
It is one of my primary motivations, yes, because there sure ain't much here. Oh I'm sure there are higher and deeper piles of BS in 4D, but also greater chances for wonderment and broadening one's horizons instead of constantly beating one's head against the confines of the control system.
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You can correct me if I'm wrong here, Neil, but if I understand you correctly, you're basically signaling to the Universe that you're tired or frustrated of this place and want to transition, because you assume there will be "greater chances for wonderment and broadening one's horizons" in 4D.

My question would be where serving others fits into this, and how much serving of others you are doing, or as Laura would say, what you are doing to make yourself valuable to the Universe.

I think that by assuming that there are "greater chances for wonderment and broadening one's horizons" in 4D , you could be constricting yourself to experience "wonderment and broadening one's horizons" in 3D, and thereby limit yourself to learning important lessons.
Neil said:
When someone explicitly asks for my opinion and I try to share articles and research that I've done on the matter to build up a case that the cost benefit ratio does not really work out for getting vaccinated against this mild virus, yeah, I'm going to be a little miffed.
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When it comes to giving, I think it's best done without expecting a certain outcome. If a person asks you for information and advice, and you give it, and they say 'I dunno, I think I'm still gonna take the vaccine', then that's that. No hard feelings.
Neil said:
Since then our relationship has been the same as it was before she was vaxxed.
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You don't know whether she's still hurt inside from what you told her. She could be hiding that from you, because she just wants to have peace around the house. If I were you, I would give her some flowers and apologize. I think that would make her very happy.
 
I am a big stickler for defining your terms. When it is said vaccine injury is rare, can we attempt to put a number to it? We are talking about Russian roulette. How many chambers and bullets in the gun approx? VAERS x 10 or maybe even 50 and the total of Vaxxed which seems to be overestimated. I know we have some math wizards here. Perhaps a range with a margin of error figure.

Saying “rare” is meaningless and subjective. Is .01% rare? I would say yes. Is .1% rare? Propbably. Is 1%? At that point I would get nervous about pulling the trigger but someone could say that is rare. But then that is getting close to the actual danger from the disease.

Anyway, if “rare” Or The actual risk of serious injuries could be quantified That would be fantastic.
 
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