Enforcement of VAX escalating

[LQB]

The 'law of three' applies here I think: 'there is good, bad, and the specific situation which determines which is which'.

Regarding the strong polarizations we’ve seen in this thread, I think Joe said it all in the Law of three above. Right action/wrong action always depend on the third – the third including any ignorance/influences active in the moment. Knowledge feeds right action that helps turn that knowledge into wisdom (a goal of this Forum as most members would agree). From an absolute standpoint it is reasonable to say that ignorance feeds wrong action, but do any of us stand in absolute knowledge? – No. Is it right (action) for limited knowledge/wisdom to declare wrong action on the part of those accepting the vax in ignorance? – No, I don’t think so. The Law of Three still holds. Who among us has the absolute knowledge to declare right or wrong action for anyone but ourselves?

From the early days of “two weeks to flatten the curve” and the rollout of “vaccines”, it was obvious to many that the Fascist steamroller in the form of mandates, restrictions, etc were coming. Many have evaluated their needs and those of loved ones in the context of options to delay or refuse the vax, and some will decide in favor – not so much for themselves, but for those that depend on them. For those that decide in favor of the vax, there is more you can do to reduce your risk of serious damage (besides the vax protocol).

As SOTTREADER mentioned, the vax batches from a given manufacturer are NOT the same. Certain batches in the US injury database have extremely high rates of injury and death. This is true for Pfizer, J&J, and Moderna. This is at least one reason for not publishing truthful ingredient lists. In other words, what we have here in an experiment within an experiment. The greater mRNA experiment and an imbedded toxicity experiment involving variable ingredient/concentrations. This is demonstrated by the author of this bitchute channel

Craig-Paardekooper

in which he describe his excel analysis of the VAERS injury database. The toxicity difference between the average and very specific batches is astounding.

So for those that choose to vax, this information can be used to identify which batch(es) you absolutely do NOT want injected. For example, in the case of Moderna, you do not want any batch number ending in 20A or 21A. You can derive similar data for the other manufacturers. This will hold true until the batch numbers are changed or re-coded.

The author of the above channel has a video that apparently shows how to download the VAERS into Excel (I haven’t tried it). It would be interesting to see the analysis repeated on other injury databases.

The Cs have indicated that there are no saline/placebo doses but the question should really be about variable toxicity in the mRNA doses.

 

[psychegram]

I am a big stickler for defining your terms. When it is said vaccine injury is rare, can we attempt to put a number to it? We are talking about Russian roulette. How many chambers and bullets in the gun approx? VAERS x 10 or maybe even 50 and the total of Vaxxed which seems to be overestimated. I know we have some math wizards here. Perhaps a range with a margin of error figure.

Saying “rare” is meaningless and subjective. Is .01% rare? I would say yes. Is .1% rare? Propbably. Is 1%? At that point I would get nervous about pulling the trigger but someone could say that is rare. But then that is getting close to the actual danger from the disease.

Anyway, if “rare” Or The actual risk of serious injuries could be quantified That would be fantastic.

Well, if we take the USA as an example, it is claimed that 198 million people have been fully vaccinated. Let's be really conservative and assume the real number is a factor of 2 smaller than that, so about 100 million. VAERS lists about 20,000 deaths (using this fairly recent report); assume that's higher by a factor of 10, so in truth 200,000 people have died from the clot shot. In this case, the percentage killed by the vaxx is 2x10^5/1x10^8 or 0.2%. The same report says there have been 135,000 serious injuries; if again we assume that's higher by a factor of 10, then we have a rate of about 1.35%.

If instead we assume that vaccination levels and adverse events are exactly as reported, then deaths and serious injuries are respectively 0.01% and about 0.07%. So we can probably use these to bracket the risk level, but even under the worst case scenario, one has about 1 in 500 chance of dying and about a 1 in 74 chance of being severely injured. So, it's significantly better odds than the 1 in 6 chance of blowing one's brains out one has play Russian roulette.

 

[psychegram]

in which he describe his excel analysis of the VAERS injury database. The toxicity difference between the average and very specific batches is astounding.

So for those that choose to vax, this information can be used to identify which batch(es) you absolutely do NOT want injected. For example, in the case of Moderna, you do not want any batch number ending in 20A or 21A. You can derive similar data for the other manufacturers. This will hold true until the batch numbers are changed or re-coded.

This is potentially an important tactic, I agree. However, what's the shelf life of a given batch? Is it the case that one can rely on VAERS searches to identify the bad batches currently in circulation? Or is it rather that, by the time the toxicity signal appears in VAERS, those doses have largely been distributed already and the available product is all from new batches with unknown toxicity levels?

 

[LQB]

Well, if we take the USA as an example, it is claimed that 198 million people have been fully vaccinated. Let's be really conservative and assume the real number is a factor of 2 smaller than that, so about 100 million. VAERS lists about 20,000 deaths (using this fairly recent report); assume that's higher by a factor of 10, so in truth 200,000 people have died from the clot shot. In this case, the percentage killed by the vaxx is 2x10^5/1x10^8 or 0.2%. The same report says there have been 135,000 serious injuries; if again we assume that's higher by a factor of 10, then we have a rate of about 1.35%.

If instead we assume that vaccination levels and adverse events are exactly as reported, then deaths and serious injuries are respectively 0.01% and about 0.07%. So we can probably use these to bracket the risk level, but even under the worst case scenario, one has about 1 in 500 chance of dying and about a 1 in 74 chance of being severely injured. So, it's significantly better odds than the 1 in 6 chance of blowing one's brains out one has play Russian roulette.

See my post above. The batches are NOT the same. You significantly improve your odds by avoiding particular batch numbers.

 

[LQB]

This is potentially an important tactic, I agree. However, what's the shelf life of a given batch? Is it the case that one can rely on VAERS searches to identify the bad batches currently in circulation? Or is it rather that, by the time the toxicity signal appears in VAERS, those doses have largely been distributed already and the available product is all from new batches with unknown toxicity levels?

Yes, that is a big unknown but for now ...

 

[Phlebas]

Thanks to everyone who has participated in this thread.

This issue has rarely been out of my thoughts recently due to family members getting booster shots and while I have never got near thinking along the lines of “ won’t be visiting you in Hospital”

I have caught myself feeling the odd twinge of anger over not being believed about certain factual elements of the covid scam by family members who are deep into the Covid pseudo-reality.


Reading this thread has helped me realised that because I am aware of the pickle the covid pseudo-reality people have got themselves into, that puts a certain amount of responsibility onto me to support them as best I can in that current state rather than try to lead them out of that pseudo-reality and cause them to suffer more fear.

 

[BHelmet]

Well, if we take the USA as an example, it is claimed that 198 million people have been fully vaccinated. Let's be really conservative and assume the real number is a factor of 2 smaller than that, so about 100 million. VAERS lists about 20,000 deaths (using this fairly recent report); assume that's higher by a factor of 10, so in truth 200,000 people have died from the clot shot. In this case, the percentage killed by the vaxx is 2x10^5/1x10^8 or 0.2%. The same report says there have been 135,000 serious injuries; if again we assume that's higher by a factor of 10, then we have a rate of about 1.35%.

If instead we assume that vaccination levels and adverse events are exactly as reported, then deaths and serious injuries are respectively 0.01% and about 0.07%. So we can probably use these to bracket the risk level, but even under the worst case scenario, one has about 1 in 500 chance of dying and about a 1 in 74 chance of being severely injured. So, it's significantly better odds than the 1 in 6 chance of blowing one's brains out one has play Russian roulette.

Thanks! I wouldn’t want either death or a serious event for sure. If those are combined you get about 1.5% which is a wash with covid risk. BUT the covid risk comes with the added benefit of real immunity which the vaccine does not!

For me, a 100 or 75 to one chance is not rare enough odds to be able to go to a pub or watch a ballgame.

Wasn’t there a Clint Eastwood movie with a meme type line:

“Do you feel lucky.... Punk?”

That about sums it up for me.

 

[BHelmet]

See my post above. The batches are NOT the same. You significantly improve your odds by avoiding particular batch numbers.

Aye, there’s the rub.

 

[psychegram]

Thanks! I wouldn’t want either death or a serious event for sure. If those are combined you get about 1.5% which is a wash with covid risk. BUT the covid risk comes with the added benefit of real immunity which the vaccine does not!

For me, a 100 or 75 to one chance is not rare enough odds to be able to go to a pub or watch a ballgame.

Wasn’t there a Clint Eastwood movie with a meme type line:

“Do you feel lucky.... Punk?”

That about sums it up for me.

I'm not a huge fan of those odds, either, but at the same time it behoves us to remember that a) the percentage chance of serious outcomes could be up to a factor of ~20 lower, b) others might consider it a risk worth taking, c) not to exaggerate the risk, i.e. 'If you take the vaxx you'll die!!!'

As to being a wash with COVID, well, I guess that really depends on age and other factors, e.g. comorbidity. The young and healthy have nothing to fear from COVID but more to fear from the vaccine potentially (both because stronger immune systems mean stronger autoimmune reactions, and because being younger there's more time for long-term effects to manifest); whereas for the elderly, who face up to a 5% risk of dying if they contract COVID, the vaccine might in fact be the safer option.

 

[XPan]

See my post above. The batches are NOT the same. You significantly improve your odds by avoiding particular batch numbers.

Avoiding certain batch numbers doesn’t include the batches that are now being tossed into the world, as well future ones, which might as well have bad ones, for sure.

I am also a bit weary (cautious) about that the claimed bad batches are really the bad ones. I assume they are, but given that alternative media also has a lot of infiltrated oppositions embedded… you really don’t know in truth which batches are doing what…

Well this was just a thought of mine. I find the whole injection agenda being the biggest, most serious health gamble at all levels of physical existence - without any guarantees what so ever.

 

[SOTTREADER]

It looks like yes, the shots will be endless at the rate things are going. My question to @luc (we don't disagree on anything btw ), @Joe etc is when does standing up for dignity outweigh the fear of job loss, imprisonment or dying? At what point does a man say he's had enough and he's willing to be defiant despite repercussion? I think that's the question.

Ps, 2nd generation vaccines might be 3 dose ones sooo this isn't going to stop anytime soon...

 

[SOTTREADER]

Here's another question - for those highly opposed to getting the jab despite anything, does it feel like being jabbed by an mRNA jab, possibly repeatedly at the States determination is akin to getting "raped"? Does the violation seem like

• Your bodily integrity being violated via the use of power and submission
• The feeling of powerlessness to say no or fight back
• The feeling of helplessness
• Feeling of having something in your body you can't get out
• Feeling of being "owned" and being a "thing" as opposed to a person

Can someone put forward an argument why for a person who doesn't consent this is not akin to rape? Is it because it's 'state sanctioned' or 'employer mandated' and there's mass acceptance of it?

 

[gottathink]

Reading this thread has helped me realised that because I am aware of the pickle the covid pseudo-reality people have got themselves into, that puts a certain amount of responsibility onto me to support them as best I can in that current state rather than try to lead them out of that pseudo-reality and cause them to suffer more fear.

One of the things that I have found very easy to advocate for is high dose vitamin C supplementation. People I have talked to seem to accept this suggestion and I do know many have taken action.

 

[Debra Lynn]

When I learned the vaccines were not really vaccines but actually experimental gene therapies with no long term studies that made the decision to not take the shot easy. I was surprised at the number of people lining up for this and it brought into clarity the C's saying that the programming was complete. I shared some of this information with my family and thought they were considering it but then they went for the shots anyway.

The outcome of this was that 2 members of my family suffered vaccine injuries almost immediately. One of them is adopted with no shared genetics if that matters. So I do wonder if they got one of the bad batches discussed here.

Some here have mentioned people getting the vaccine so they can continue to care for their family. In my case, I need to stay unvaccinated and healthy so I can help care for my vaccine injured family members. So that is the other side of this.

I know people are not out on the streets dropping dead in great numbers yet, but I do wonder if the vaccine might be step one in some long term plans of depopulation or something else. We don't know. And that disturbs me. I think there is some evidence to show immune systems are being damaged by this shot.

Having said all of that I am still reminded of something Gurdjieff said about when the masses of humanity start acting crazy then enormous quantities of information remain, so to speak, unclaimed and can be distributed among those who realize its value. That has stuck with me all throughout this and I am taking as much advantage of it as I can. If others come to this forum looking for knowledge whether they are vaccinated or not then I welcome them. I may disagree with their choice, but there is a wealth of information here to share with those who realize its value.

 

[gottathink]

Here's another question - for those highly opposed to getting the jab despite anything, does it feel like being jabbed by an mRNA jab, possibly repeatedly at the States determination is akin to getting "raped"? Does the violation seem like

• Your bodily integrity being violated via the use of power and submission
• The feeling of powerlessness to say no or fight back
• The feeling of helplessness
• Feeling of having something in your body you can't get out
• Feeling of being "owned" and being a "thing" as opposed to a person

Can someone put forward an argument why for a person who doesn't consent this is not akin to rape? Is it because it's 'state sanctioned' or 'employer mandated' and there's mass acceptance of it?

Things have the meanings we attach to them, either through our programming or by conscious choice after building knowledge and awareness. Thus whoever or whatever (oneself or someone/something else) is driving this determines how much control it will have over your physiology. When we take steps to ameliorate harmful effects like fasting and supplementation (the protocol as per discussed in the forum), then we further strengthen our psychological resolve over what happens in our bodies. I just think getting away from thinking we are helpless meat sacks is key to navigating these mandates.

I also think that resistance to booster shots will increase (that’s what I feel is likely to occur in New Zealand) and so people who felt cornered into taking the shots earlier will have a great many more allies in resisting ongoing vaccine mandates. So strategically refusing boosters could be easier than refusing the original shots. This is because there is safety in numbers.