"Enjoying The Show" As The World Burns

[happyliza]

Sometimes I imagine each of those Palestinian souls, as they were standing at the threshold before being reborn into those bodies, knowing they will be brutalised and tortured and that the death will be a blessing for them, each of them knowing the traumas they will suffer as children, and I can not but being stunned by their bravery and heroism. Willingly to go and live trough such a life!? I find it very brave, for the lack of stronger word.

Is that karma, and what if they are reincarnation of some Nazis, or whoever, who did similar atrocities to others, and now they are paying a karmic debt; what does it mean? Maybe it means that these souls eventually choose STO path, and they realised the need for balance and payoff, as opposed they might have gone and incarnate again as i.e. Zionists in those death camps and cement themselves on STS path. But, by choosing STO, they realised the burden and bravely came back and did they role that not only will help themselves but also millions of others with their sacrifice.

From a soul perspective, to me that sounds quite triumphant.

But still leaves the problem of enjoying the show. Can we be part of the world but not of it, while watching this catastrophe? To me, the situation in Gaza looks like all the evils of past times are rolled into one, like Nazis and Inquisition had some mutant baby on steroids. I thought of how the life of a human had no value in the past, what did Inquisition do to the "withes", and all the horrors of so many ways people were tortured and killed in every war in the past (i.e. think of Impalement), and we are watching it all live. How can we not be angry and discussed at unnecessary sufferings? I don´t know, but for all we know we might just well gone ourselves trough all of this at some point in the past. We might as well been on both sides of the story and now is time for another lessons.

So maybe what we can do is to endure, to send our thoughts and prayers to these souls to endure their suffering with their hearts as pure as then possibly can be so they can move further on the STO path. And to keep spreading the word of a cause they are fighting for and support them thus.

Just a few thoughts…

This is a good possibiity. If so then that is such incredible bravery - true matryrdom in the real sense of the word. However, what is also a possibility is that not all of them have to be brave and that those that are encourage others by their examples, the Islamic 'religion' of martydom, plus the fact that they are most probably of the same 'group'. So they choose to incarnate over past generations to continually renew their 'faith' and tenacity against all odds.
Another important aspect that people forget, and which I was discussing with my home help over coffee this morning. (Actually it is very very interesting that she has no forum, is a devout muslim but holds the same ideas as me. Even prays for less suffering for an elderly German tyrant lady who was awful to her - yet she remained her carer and home help for years an incredibly managed to do the impossible of finding a vacancy in a lovely care home here. Yet she prays for her not to SUFFER!).
So what I was going to say is that those discarnate in the same group, including anyone we have helped in past lives also help guide and keep us bouyant with their prayers - aka Palestinians. But it also works visa versa, those we have insulted, hurt, or worse can become obbsessive attachments, and wish us harm and revenge.
This is definitely NOT the reason to help people. But it is another sphere of assistance, including all loved
ones. Dad just told me to 'keep my chin up' - that has such depth of meaning from him - and works!!
So we know the 'help' that Israel is getting! and they may also have decided to occupy Israel for opposite reasons. But I am sure balance comes in the form of STO inner encouragement and strength given, energies shared during worst times etc.

 

[Cosmos]

Agreed. But is it not the case that this is the first time in our known history when a genocide of this nature is being:

a) carried out by a supposedly 'Western' 'civilized' state

b) aided and abetted by THE most 'civilized' state and carrier of the banner of 'freedom and democracy'

c) televised, in effect, for all the world to witness

And in that case, it's rather different to similar events that preceded it?

It seems to me, by the way this is done/presented, that that could be sort of a “litmus test“ for humanity at some level? Like “pure evil is bluntly displayed, right in your face, as clear as can be, from the “good guys“: what‘s your choice?“. It is like, if you still can’t get it, even though you could have the ability, confronted with such clear evidence, then you have made the choice to align yourself with evil “complete“? Separating wheat from chaff of some sorts?

 

[happyliza]

Thanks for alluding to this Yas :

While it is true that a psychotherapist must be able to traverse difficult affects with the client, in order to avoid regression the NARM therapist always supports a mindful dual awareness of past and present—staying anchored in the bodily experience of the present moment, NARM supports the awareness of the distinction between what was then and what is now

I think this is actually how we cope and deal with this. It is akin to mastering that which we prefer not to think about, yet feel guilty if we do not follow, witness and feel, with regard to things we need to 'make sense' of when they are far too gruesome to fit into any previous 'pattern', 'experiencing' we can ever recall.

I tend to contemplate a lot of the time in the next realm. However, ground myself in the present including self remembering whenever possible. Yet automatically choose to seek a higher perspective after considering whatever has just shocked/upset me in the present/ here-now.

A recent analogy I can give is that of past memory/actions flash-backs. Over the last year, as my studies and clarifications have intensified, I have noticed that totally forgotten incidents, or actions that I thought I had dealt with, or preferred to have 'forgotten/put behind me' once analysed, suddenly appear out of the blue. Usually when driving, doing something totally different.
I feel these are a test, as they never fail to unsettle me momentarily. They serve as sobering reminders of mistakes/failures of mine in the past. So in a way I am grateful for them.
They are an intrusion. But it is how I deal with them that is key. It is the same with how we deal with everything discussed on this thread re suffering, witnessing atrocities etc, and HOW they affect us, and those around us.
I feel these tests are important because the Wave is drawing ever closer. If we cannot contend with what we see, and how we process what is outside of us, in the present then how will we fare when we have the hyper mega sensate of all we have done, experienced, witnessed all hit us simultaneously????
Is this horrific experience not a pre-cursor to what we will be personally going through, but magnified to the N'th degree?
Hyper kenetic sensate. What is the ultimate reason for undergoing this future experience?
What is the ultimate reason for witnessing all our lifetimes, as child munching mantoids and other critters that we are simultaneously living as.
How do we process/navigate that??? Even if it is for a split second - it will seem like a lifetime!

So we are currently deliberating on how we can process what is happening OUTSIDE of us - here on this thread.

Will it be like a soul smashing event when this internal awareness is felt, seen, smelt, heard in all it gory detail. And we have no way of just switching the phone or computer off when/whilst it is occuring?
Worse still is the knowledge of that IT IS THE SUM OF ALL THAT WE ARE, WERE, AND POSSIBLY WILL BE? (As there is no time, and all lives are simultaneous?)

So maybe 'enjoying the show' and 'sit tight and enjoy the ride' could have far further context. And that what we are currently witnessing is a possible preparation and pre-cursor to our own internal SHOW.

So we definitely do need to start seeing the Universe as it sees itself. We do need to take this growing and learning opportunity of the 'outside' events. Nobody came back and reported on what happened the last time the Wave occured 309k years ago regarding our personal film shows.

I am not sure the C's would be able to 'enlighten' us on this one either. But we could not have better knowledge or be part of a stronger group in order to Ride this Wave the best way we possibly can!

 

[Third_Density_Resident]

What a wonderful, insightful, and I dare I say it? — enjoyable — thread.

The whole genocide that has been going on has deeply, deeply disturbed me, not just due to the sheer graphicness coming out of mediums like X, but due to factors such as: the absolute powerlessness I feel to alleviate any of the suffering of the Palestinians; the cold, callous, and downright cruel reactions of the Zionists (and others) to their suffering; and the fact that many people I once respected, because they could clearly see the blatant lies and cruelty from their own governments around the Covid nonsense, have revealed themselves to either be full Zionist or even non-Zionist with absolute indifference or hate towards the Palestinians (because all Muslims are evil, don't you know?). I have even had to reduce my use of X because I could not handle the absolutely evil comments I was seeing daily on posts about the atrocities faced by the Palestinians. Having my own small child has really made me empathise even more with the unspeakable evil going on: seeing the maiming, starvation and amputation of children and thinking "that could be me or my child".

But all of this also drew my attention to the possibility that the Gaza situation may be another wheat-from-chaff situation, as Covid was. Many saw through the lies of Covid, and of that group, it seems that only a small percentage also saw through the lies of Israel. In fact more left-leaning people than right-leaning are in support of Palestine, and the reverse is true on the Covid issue. To find people who do not define themselves as left or right, and who could see through the lies of both Covid and the Gaza situation, seems very rare to me.

The reactions have made me realise how we really must be a world filled with 50% organic portals, for I have witnessed so many people who seem entirely incapable of feeling the suffering of another, regardless of where they live or what religion they are. Never before have I been so convinced of this number stated by the Cassiopaeans than I am now. How could anyone with a soul look at graphic images of children torn apart and simply shrug and say "this is the result of their parents supporting Hamas"? How could anyone with a soul justify the deaths of so many innocent children in any way at all? And it gets even worse: so many have openly accepted what amounts to torture, either through their indifference, silence, or blatant bloodlust towards Palestinians, so it seems to me as if many are well on their way to soul-smashing.

Thank you Joe for asking a question that has led to the discussion of a topic that I feel is absolutely central to our very understanding of what it means to be a truly souled human. Thank you to all who helped contribute to the discussion — I believe it is a perfect example of how networking is a truly invaluable tool for doing the Work and increasing our collective understanding in ways no individual could predict. I wonder if the Cs will be able to add much more than what has already been said?

It seems to me, by the way this is done/presented, that that could be sort of a “litmus test“ for humanity at some level? Like “pure evil is bluntly displayed, right in your face, as clear as can be, from the “good guys“: what‘s your choice?“. It is like, if you still can’t get it, even though you could have the ability, confronted with such clear evidence, then you have made the choice to align yourself with evil “complete“? Separating wheat from chaff of some sorts?

Cosmos, you literally wrote this as I was typing my own response, and it is similar to something I said above. I do believe it to be a huge litmus test for humanity.

 

[happyliza]

I think they probably are, especially if they are tied together. The empathy is mixed up with feeling anger at the depravity of the Israelis that is the source of suffering that causes the feeling of empathy. The empathy is not "pure" in that case I suppose. There's a difference between spontaneously wanting to ease the suffering of someone who just hurt themselves by accident, for example, and wanting to help someone who is being actively abused by someone else. In that 2nd scenario, the person is suffering and CONTINUING to suffer and you can't do anything to ease it because of the abuser. This was already mentioned here, the feeling of powerlessness to stop the suffering.

But then we get back into the requirement to find some way to rationalize such a situation, and we have to do that if we're going to continue being a witness to it. And the only obvious way to do that is to fall back on philosophical ideas (although they may be very real) of 'lessons' or 'karma' and, in that way, try to project that suffering onto a 'higher' (and ultimately positive) 'cause'.

It's like Victor Frankl said, that 'as long as a person has a WHY, they can bear any HOW', i.e. as long as a person can ascribe meaning to their suffering, they can bear a LOT of suffering. But it's not so easy to come with valid meaning in the face of suffering, either your own directly, or your own indirectly, i.e witnessing that of others, which while different, can lead to despair just as easily. That's why the idea that suffering can actually be beneficial (learning, growing, 'turning on DNA etc.) is very valuable....as long as you can find a way to believe it, which presents another problem!

Atheists would have us believe that we have to shoulder the burdren of the 'ultimate meaningless of human existence'. But I think that's a cop out that can easily and obviously lead to despair. I think it's a much harder (and more courageous) task to shoulder our inability to understand the true meaning of life in logical or rational terms (which we are kind of trying to do here): to believe (have faith) in a positive meaning to suffering (and a conscious plan to creation) when we cannot really prove to ourselves that it really exists.

With regard to positive meaning an a conscious plan to creation: We again, are lucky to have the communication with 6th Density entities - the C's. If they are closest to DCM at 7th Density, then what we can observe from the communications with them so far is that that appear to be assisting with the 'mechanics' of the Universe.
Obviously we have no idea what occupies 100% of their time, and perhaps we have never asked, or maybe would not understand if they were permitted to tell us.
However, I guess we ned to get to the 'top' - 6th Density as it were, to understand what 'meaning' is to them!
They seem to assist in 'educating when asked'.
They have said once we reach 7th, All starts again. So meaning must include experience, as each'cycle' of experience would / could be richer than the last cycle. If that is how DCM experiences itself?
So I guess we can deduce that recycling for 'experience' and 'educating those who ask' is a fair start to a small segment of the 'meaning' of life.
However, Assisting others, learning and experiencing would be from a higher perspective as like in the Quorum - the C's help both 'sides'.
I am sure there may be more 'clues' in the transcripts.
And to further complicate is the matter of 'time' - no time. Al being 'simultaneous'.
Until then, being the best all-round Being - STO candidate,that we can be, obyvatel, learner/teacher is enough to be getting on with lol
The C's would be our best role-models. Jesu Christus/ Caesar did they give us an idea of meaning? To become such as they were is plenty for now. But are we not due for a 'second coming'? Perhaps the 'meaning' will then be shared over social media

 

[happyliza]

And I should add: It seems we can and probably should also feel joy not only in terms of what we can see “out there“ based on the knowledge we have been given and/or worked for, but also, at least to the same extent, about the hard and dark aspects we are presented with about ourselves individually, on a personal level, in order, if willing to do so, to become better human beings. And those hard and dark things we can discover about our own thoughts and behaviors are certainly not joyful at the moment we discover them and/or when they are pointed out to us. They are also less then joyful when we then try to address/see those aspects and try to correct them, often over long stretches of time with a lot of suffering. But in HINDSIGHT we can find a lot of joy and gratefulness in the here and now in knowing how we personally have benefited from those experiences that we viewed as painful and not joyful at all when we went through the discovery and correcting phases back then.

In other words: We can find a lot of joy in realizing how we deprogrammed ourselves via the help of others in HINDSIGHT, and are now enjoying, thanks to that rather hard work, hopefully, a more objective perspective about ourselves AND the world, which also seems to lead to a lot less (unconscious?) suffering in the here and now. A good way of probably seeing that more clearly is by looking at your own life and your thoughts and behaviors/actions in the past and realizing that things do seem to have developed quite positively compared to the here and now. And seeing that more clearly might also prepare us in better understanding that that “deprogramming“ never really stops and that we will continue to discover bad things about ourselves. So we might suffer a bit less in the here and now when we will continue to discover bad stuff, and know that at some point, if we keep at it, we will likely be rewarded by the joy of what has been achieved.

Cosmos I love what you wrote here and I had just posted (in between the 3 power cuts we have just had), the importance of this INNER perspective.
Inadvertently, I also have just figured out a way of quantifying how much we have learned. Though it will take absolute honesty within ourselves as the recognizing the theory learned is a huge difference from being able to state that the theory has become inherent, and a natural process within.
1. Whilst seriously studying this incredible thread and everyone's contributions, I deeply pondered and responded to various posts that I wished, and felt I could contribute to.
2. I replied to the post whilst I was still on the post - so was unaware of further contributions later in the thread.
3. I was particularly wishing to note any 'blind spots' that I had.
4. By instantly replying I was offering my authentic contribution. I was not unconsciously assuming anyone else's response. Everything came direct from my heart/contemplation.
5. I applied exactly the same criteria to all replies up until now (your post above).
6. As I proceeded further into the thread, I was able to read positive proof of what I had previously written, from other people's later posts (Which I had no idea of at time of posting).
7. This actually became a Joy moment, a Eureka moment for me personally. As so much was verified for me even though it was not my intention to quantify anything except my 'blind spots'.
8. A better method of doing this would probably be collating, all the replies you wish to make, on to a Word document, as you go through the thread. It would give ou the same result and feed back. However, it would be a far longer post ultimately. But would be more externally considerate.
(Which I shall apply for the rest of the thread).
I know it is obvious to everyone what they know, or do not know, from reading posts (especially the deep dive scientific/mathematical ones!
However, I think this is a very simple, fun and useful exercise that can give very useful feedback, especially in these times.
There are few methods to gauge how we are doing in our learning. And it is fun to get pleasant surprises occasionally, no matter how trivial we may deem them.
Just a happy coincidence

 

[happyliza]

Correct, but it's ours, it's the one in our lifetimes, in our now. I believe that is one of the differences, injustice always exists and darkness is everlasting, and perhaps that's part of it. Not so much that the thought of everlasting darkness serves as consolation, although it helps processing things I reckon. But rather, how does one respond to darkness now?

And this may or may not add to the main topic of conversation at hand, but it came up in conversation recently and I wanted to share it here FWIW. I find it absolutely amazing, how the entire pathological blood thirsty, cruel, cold and monstrous darkness has been unleashed on Palestine, with absolute impunity, with unlimited resources, in the most imaginative ways.

Almost any level of digging through the experience that they have to endure, in Gaza, the West Bank, in Israeli prisons will leave you disgusted and shocked at how this darkness operates when it knows it can get away with anything, it is no wonder that the population of psychopaths in Israel is so high. It's as if the signal was being sent out that, in here... anything goes.

And yet, they're unable to break the spirit. It was very visible when announcing the killing of Hamas' new leader, how they almost felt like they had scored such a great victory, and I wonder if they feel obfuscated, angry and confused when life just keeps on living. For whatever reason, I get the sense that they thought that after one year of torture they would all have given up, left, valued survival more, but hard as they try, they're unable to extinguish the light.

If there's a way to illustrate the difference between a psychopath, which is probably the biggest instrument for the expression of darkness and evil, and a corageous human being, this is it. Israel thinks it can eradicate life by killing it, because that is Israel's character. While Palestinians have been given every reason to leave, they have stayed, yet... there has been an exodus of Israelis leaving the country.

There's so many allegories and principles in this, cowardice and courage, spirit and body, weakness and strength, indeed.. light and darkness. You can't kill and idea by attempting to eradicate its physical expression, yet that's all Israel understands. And they have thrown everything at it, and they have failed.

I think that for the spirit there indeed are fates worse than the death of the body, yet.. for Israel there isn't, since this is all they have, this physical existence. So, it is amazing that despite all they have done and committed to their efforts, they have failed every single day.

Also for those who say 'why don't Palestinians leave, try to leave etc:

Leaving to a Palestinian is failing. It is giving the evil, the psychopath what it wants. It is letting down generations of Palestinians before them, who stood up for freedom, rights, right of return of the dispora, right to call their country Palestine. The right to prevent the total takeover of their land.
As we now see also. It is not just about the Palestinians. It is about taking over any country they choose. The enlargement of 'Greater Israel' and the stealing of resources also by the USA and The West.

The brave Palestinians knew their odds from the very start. They were always the David against the Goliath. They had the stones wheras the aggressor and occupier had state of the art weaponery and nuclear bombs.
However, despite this, they built up a Resistance the likes of which the World has never truly witnessed either - with the playing field being so disproportionate. The basics of life refused and puposefully witheld.
An open prison of mass torture, depravation, continual suffering and exponential grief and grieving - with loss of entire families being purposeful targets, women and children the same. The total massacre of innocents (as their rights to life and living are as important as anyone on this planet).
So it is against their morals, ethics and purpose now to ever think of 'escaping' leaving or abandoning thier noble cause. It would be akin to treason. As well as treason to their ancestors and all the innocent babies and children and martyrs who were murdered before them, and are being murdered now. x

 

[Fluffy]

It seems to me, by the way this is done/presented, that that could be sort of a “litmus test“ for humanity at some level? Like “pure evil is bluntly displayed, right in your face, as clear as can be, from the “good guys“: what‘s your choice?“. It is like, if you still can’t get it, even though you could have the ability, confronted with such clear evidence, then you have made the choice to align yourself with evil “complete“? Separating wheat from chaff of some sorts?

I was thinking something like this last night, if you can’t see and feel for what’s happening in Gaza then fate of a similar nature awaits you. May be not even in this life.

I’ve been contemplating post life reviews and attempting to do some of it while still embodied, trying to understand my own roll in my interactions with this earth school and all its goings on, especially with my own children of course, but the whole shebang. I think to arrive at the contemplation zone to discover that you’d ignored the people of Gaza is going to be one very painfully traumatising realisation for the soul.

 

[Evan]

I was thinking something like this last night, if you can’t see and feel for what’s happening in Gaza then fate of a similar nature awaits you. May be not even in this life.

I’ve been contemplating post life reviews and attempting to do some of it while still embodied, trying to understand my own roll in my interactions with this earth school and all its goings on, especially with my own children of course, but the whole shebang. I think to arrive at the contemplation zone to discover that you’d ignored the people of Gaza is going to be one very painfully traumatising realisation for the soul.

I battle with somewhat similar thoughts. For me, humor is a powerful and critical protective tool. Without it I would be overwhelmed with grief witnessing what is happening. On the other hand, to laugh or make jokes is positively morbid. Of course, I don’t mean to suggest that I make jokes about Palestinian suffering. I mean more like laughing at the asteroid heading for my house. But it is a delicate balance between feeling and not feeling too much, wearing armor while keeping my heart open to the world, remaining detached without dissociating. So I laugh in the face of death and doom to arm myself against the gloom, but it’s really just to avoid being utterly gutted. At the same time I pray that in doing so I’m not earning myself a more personalized experience of the horror, the universe saying, “not so funny now, is it Chuckles?”

 

[Corvus]

Hmm, when it comes to enjoy the show it is metaphorical I think and practicaly telling game over, there is nothing left anymore to do, while I feel compassion not just for them but for everyone suffering I also feel quite anger over most of others for their passivity, but people are passive when it comes to basics about themselves so expecting it for others is a far reach for most. I have a demenour latley of accepting things as they are and concentrating more on self because honestly there is nothing you can do and never you could do anything about things changing for better here because there is no unity, just on a personal level. It is simple people are dumb as bricks nowdays and there is no other way then to actual bricks falling on their heads. I feel more and more like endangered individual in everday life because dunno it comes to basics that most don t even can phantom today it seems or if they can shrug their shoulders it is how it is, which I think is most being scared or selfish. What is happening in Palestine will be on sidelines when bigger things hit the ground and C s said cleansing has begun but it will spread, so Palestine is beginning, war here, war there, climate change, earthquakes, comets, we are all Palestine in a blink... Do I feel sorry for most of them? It is tricky, my mind says one my hearth when seeing suffering alive telling another story, but hey you had planty of time to prepare and listen, you did not want, you did not belive, at least those with capability, but understand many do not have abillity so how could it have turned different, and now it is time to pay for consequences(we are all insignificant in the grand sheme of universe, one little tiny civilisation in an eternal sea, something universe can get just fine without and balance itself, maybe looking it in 2D perspective like a colony of ants from higher perspective), so when the piper comes do not play victims, that is if most can understand that concept or want to is a far stretch, so yeah enjoy the show while fire is burning all over the place, light the cigarete at least, same old same old through history and enjoy the show and life here for some small time it has left and keeping it going till you can to the end. There is no other choice left. It was all about experiencing this reality for what it is, suffering, helplessnes of individual/s with some mental and emotional intelligence against the machine of sleep and controlers, and realising there is only one way out by ceasing to be part of that reality, and personal/collective suffering just being fuel for that realisation. We are all united/connected in suffering here, and it comes like bumerang back to the place it caused it, but that is the sts reality, probably on sto they are all united by joy and that is expanding there, it seems rather alien to think about it living here with a lifetime of sts experience.

 

[Esote]

Only a psychopath could enjoy the show that the Israelis are putting on at the moment.

Definitely not a 'show' and not enjoyable.
Couldn't the C's be psychopathic entities or 4D STS ones somehow ?
I know this will trigger emotional responses. Sorry for the noise, but isn't it something to think about ?

 

[Fluffy]

Definitely not a 'show' and not enjoyable.
Couldn't the C's be psychopathic entities or 4D STS ones somehow ?
I know this will trigger emotional responses. Sorry for the noise, but isn't it something to think about ?

When they say enjoy the show they’re not singling out one particular event, from the view that they have we cannot even begin to fathom how they would see it, we might understand the tiniest fraction of what is meant by ‘enjoy the show’. Strip away all of the biases, emotions, thoughts, feelings, reactions, everything, and then may be we can get a tiny glimpse of what it might be like to be in their non-physical shoes with knowledge that would supersede the most intelligent human by thousand upon thousands.

 

[Wandering Star]

Couldn't the C's be psychopathic entities or 4D STS ones somehow ?

It's good to be attentive and try to see beyond, but the fact that the answers are very broad and not very understandable from our emotional understanding does not necessarily lead to that conclusion.

I don't think so, no.

 

[luc]

If it's possible to put some of the blame for the situation on the Palestinians, it's likely to be because of their acceptance of certain militant aspects of Islam.

One thing to consider is that historically, the Palestinians have turned to Islam/Islamist leadership even before 1948 because the traditional Palestinian elite clans had been at each others' throats, been bought off by the Brits and divided/conquered (standard colonial procedure). And of course the Arab states had been powerless and/or enmeshed with colonial interests (depending on your reading) too. So when the grievances of the ordinary Palestinians became unbearable, some of the Imams were the only ones who gave them a voice and who were willing to take their side in a real way. I guess you can still see this dynamic to this day, which explains why Hamas plays such a big role, and why it may all look like "crazy Islamism" from the outside.

Many have accused Egypt of being cold hearted for not letting all the Palestinians settle in Egypt, but that is exactly the Israeli plan and Egypt and the Palestinians know it. It would be a one-way ticket to Egypt and not a temporary gesture.

Hitler actually made a similar argument as the Israelis today when he told Western powers well, you say you love the Jews, but you won't take them! Which was true in a way, and may even point to a certain hypocrisy. But this still doesn't address that those who are ethnically cleansed may not in fact want to leave their homes. Also, you can't always argue from such moral principles: the fact is that in the real world, big waves of refugees are a nightmare for other countries, and often political suicide for their leaders. Which those who push for ethnic cleansing know (or should know), so they are willingly accepting that those so cleansed get stuck with nowhere to go. Which of course is exactly what the Israelis are doing.

 

[Michal]

Body is kind of soul-to-3Dreality interface...