I think this is a great idea. And for the session, we can ask the Cs to comment on our discussion, and we have a thread to link to for context, for readers.
"Enjoying The Show" As The World Burns
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I think this is a great idea. And for the session, we can ask the Cs to comment on our discussion, and we have a thread to link to for context, for readers.
I think what Keith quoted - proper perspective.It's kind of funny to see you say this. To answer the initial question, you basically had to say that their definition of enjoy is "not enjoy at all".But to be honest, that seems to be the only logical answer.
I think once you truly understand that our reality is just an illusion, maya, dream of god or whatever they may call it and all our struggles and suffering just a drop in the beautiful ocean of creation gives you peace and then you are cable of enjoying the show no matter what it entails.
The experience will solely be dependent on where you are on this learning/understanding curve. And this is the most difficult challenge we all face - getting over our material existence/ ego etc. OSIT
The C's put on several occasions "relax and sit back" before "enjoy the show" meaning that we can't (and not supposed to) change the situation, so we might as well just watch the unfolding drama. As for "enjoy" the "joy" is supposed to come from seeing and understanding (on many levels) the situation and not from seeing other people suffering per se. As for Palestinians, it can very well be that some karmic issues are involved or even voluntary decision of their soul group to endure it so that all other people may SEE and understand (would be interesting to know if that's the case).
That's how I understood this.
That's how I understood this.
Sometimes I imagine each of those Palestinian souls, as they were standing at the threshold before being reborn into those bodies, knowing they will be brutalised and tortured and that the death will be a blessing for them, each of them knowing the traumas they will suffer as children, and I can not but being stunned by their bravery and heroism. Willingly to go and live trough such a life!? I find it very brave, for the lack of stronger word.
Is that karma, and what if they are reincarnation of some Nazis, or whoever, who did similar atrocities to others, and now they are paying a karmic debt; what does it mean? Maybe it means that these souls eventually choose STO path, and they realised the need for balance and payoff, as opposed they might have gone and incarnate again as i.e. Zionists in those death camps and cement themselves on STS path. But, by choosing STO, they realised the burden and bravely came back and did they role that not only will help themselves but also millions of others with their sacrifice.
From a soul perspective, to me that sounds quite triumphant.
But still leaves the problem of enjoying the show. Can we be part of the world but not of it, while watching this catastrophe? To me, the situation in Gaza looks like all the evils of past times are rolled into one, like Nazis and Inquisition had some mutant baby on steroids. I thought of how the life of a human had no value in the past, what did Inquisition do to the "withes", and all the horrors of so many ways people were tortured and killed in every war in the past (i.e. think of Impalement), and we are watching it all live. How can we not be angry and discussed at unnecessary sufferings? I don´t know, but for all we know we might just well gone ourselves trough all of this at some point in the past. We might as well been on both sides of the story and now is time for another lessons.
So maybe what we can do is to endure, to send our thoughts and prayers to these souls to endure their suffering with their hearts as pure as then possibly can be so they can move further on the STO path. And to keep spreading the word of a cause they are fighting for and support them thus.
Just a few thoughts…
Is that karma, and what if they are reincarnation of some Nazis, or whoever, who did similar atrocities to others, and now they are paying a karmic debt; what does it mean? Maybe it means that these souls eventually choose STO path, and they realised the need for balance and payoff, as opposed they might have gone and incarnate again as i.e. Zionists in those death camps and cement themselves on STS path. But, by choosing STO, they realised the burden and bravely came back and did they role that not only will help themselves but also millions of others with their sacrifice.
From a soul perspective, to me that sounds quite triumphant.
But still leaves the problem of enjoying the show. Can we be part of the world but not of it, while watching this catastrophe? To me, the situation in Gaza looks like all the evils of past times are rolled into one, like Nazis and Inquisition had some mutant baby on steroids. I thought of how the life of a human had no value in the past, what did Inquisition do to the "withes", and all the horrors of so many ways people were tortured and killed in every war in the past (i.e. think of Impalement), and we are watching it all live. How can we not be angry and discussed at unnecessary sufferings? I don´t know, but for all we know we might just well gone ourselves trough all of this at some point in the past. We might as well been on both sides of the story and now is time for another lessons.
So maybe what we can do is to endure, to send our thoughts and prayers to these souls to endure their suffering with their hearts as pure as then possibly can be so they can move further on the STO path. And to keep spreading the word of a cause they are fighting for and support them thus.
Just a few thoughts…
Yes.
It is the suffering of others in front of our eyes, the brutality, it is the injustice, it is the feeling of helplessness, it is the wanton and senseless destruction, the abuse of power and the support it gets, the shameless attempts to convince humanity that "this is not what it looks like", or the covert, "it is you next".
For people who seek to know and find meaning in everything that happens, it is even harder to fathom. Add to that an ability to see what could have been compared to what is, and it compounds the matter further.
A few of you mention a state of being where one is able to experience viscerally everything going on around us, without losing either empathy or equanimity. The C’s seem to inhabit such a state in 6th Density. I don’t know how available it is to us in 3D, given the physiology of the body we inhabit and the lessons we have yet to learn to get there. But it seems to be part of the lessons to say NO with all our being when faced with such evil, drawing the proverbial line in the sand: "This is where I stand".
Perhaps when the playing field is level, we'll see demons as they are and not as human-looking. It might be easier then to accept "demons will be demons", and the dividing line will be clearer. There be demons, here be the rest of us.
And maybe the Cs' different advices through the years are to show us what we can potentially achieve. Sort of like the child looking up to the parents to learn how to deal with the adult life awaiting ahead. Not necessarily how we are to be now.
Let's do that. I too think this conversation will help the other members too, and I am very curious to see what the Cs' answers will be. I trust you all at the chateau to take them to task
Coming back to exploring the idea that it is meant to be taken literally, then what is there to enjoy? Mass killings and brutality is nothing new and neither is conscious evil. What is different in contrast to the past is that the conscious evil is done openly and the puppet leaders are condoning it openly in front of a global audience of billions. Before it was something which was done behind the drawn curtains and where the evil intent could be deduced after the events from historical analysis. Either it is signs of desperation that they don't hide it anymore and/or extreme hubris or something else. The same was done during Covid, which was also part of the show, I presume, since the C's mentioned "enjoy the show" also before Covid. During Covid, conscious evil was also perpetrated on billions worldwide and including on children and babies with devastating outcomes for many.
So this revealing of conscious evil in wars, pedophilia, psychopathy, the pharma industry, human smuggling, the Deep State, the Orwellian mascarade of Western 'values' etc. etc. etc., is, I think, something to enjoy as we also sense that it will lead to its downfall. The lies can not stand the truth just like darkness can not survive exposure to the light. It is like the cancer growth that is taking over the body and then has to be cut out. The cutting out does not look pretty and some healthy cells are also likely to be lost, but if it isn't done then the body will not survive. Here it is those aligned with the entropic forces of not-Being who are trying to take over or exterminate those aligned with the creative force of Being. Perhaps a reason why conscious evil is displayed so openly by our rulers is because they are getting desperate as the balancing force of Light is becoming ever more present and is slowly but persistently piercing the veils of darkness.
That would be something to rejoice, though it does not take away the suffering of being a witness to the 'show'. Perhaps it is as in childbirth as was mentioned, where there is pain, blood and suffering while there is also joy of knowing that it leads to the birth of a baby.
Reading all the discussion here and so many C's quotes on this theme, all I can imagine is that any new answers they give will be a rephrasing of things they have already said. Maybe there are no words they can use that will convey an understanding, we have to find it for ourselves as always. So we soldier on, I don't think any of us would be able to sit back and do nothing - whoever told us to! That suggests to me that with all these choices of words, like 'sit back' or 'enjoy' they are probably the best available but ultimately very limited in their ability to convey a certain concept.
I have very little to add to what has been said, and been said so excellently, except for that, for me, "enjoying the show" has to be only partially literal, because life is much more than a 'show' and always will be. You could call it a 'game' and that would be closer, but it's much more than a game, as well. The C's have said, "Life is Religion" and that seems to get even closer, but then there is also the concept of lessons and Life as a school. Is there even more to it than that? Possibly, but this is probably only answerable on the level of 7th Density, or so I think. Enjoyment, victory, praise and learning may just be steps on the 'staircase' to a destination which is impossible to grasp at this level, so perhaps it's better to just do what is in front of us to do, as well as we can, and let God take care of the rest, even, and perhaps especially, if that doing includes asking lots of interesting questions!
FWIW.
FWIW.
I also don't have much to add to the discussion, but wanted to say something that some of you have already mentioned in your posts. Perhaps, the reason why we find it so hard to understand fully how is it that we can "enjoy the show" is because this is not possible to do fully in 3D.
As Keit quoted:
And what Alana said:
So perhaps, one thing we can achieve at this level is to sort of have a dual awareness. Much like what some therapists try to encourage in their clients in some trauma therapies, which allows them to look at the painful memories, while keeping some perspective of the present, sort of like having one foot here and now, and the other foot in the painful memory. Just to give an example, this bit is from Healing Developmental Trauma:
But, of course, this is related to personal experiences in the past, and having the present as anchor. In the context of this discussion, my guess is that this dual awareness would be more like being able to see and experience the present horror, while still keeping the awareness of the cosmic bigger picture, which I see similar to the example about the surgery given before:
With the idea of dual awareness, we can understand that it is possible to still feel sorry for and horrified by the suffering we are witnessing, and that is actually how it is supposed to be at our level, 3D, but, at the same time, we can do our best to have one of our feet in the knowledge (and perhaps faith at our level) provided by that cosmic bigger picture awareness.
Just a thought, fwiw...
As Keit quoted:
And what Alana said:
So perhaps, one thing we can achieve at this level is to sort of have a dual awareness. Much like what some therapists try to encourage in their clients in some trauma therapies, which allows them to look at the painful memories, while keeping some perspective of the present, sort of like having one foot here and now, and the other foot in the painful memory. Just to give an example, this bit is from Healing Developmental Trauma:
But, of course, this is related to personal experiences in the past, and having the present as anchor. In the context of this discussion, my guess is that this dual awareness would be more like being able to see and experience the present horror, while still keeping the awareness of the cosmic bigger picture, which I see similar to the example about the surgery given before:
With the idea of dual awareness, we can understand that it is possible to still feel sorry for and horrified by the suffering we are witnessing, and that is actually how it is supposed to be at our level, 3D, but, at the same time, we can do our best to have one of our feet in the knowledge (and perhaps faith at our level) provided by that cosmic bigger picture awareness.
Just a thought, fwiw...
It reminded me what Joe said in another thread as a response to the following:
Woodsman said:
Joe: I agree, and also to be open-minded enough to consider possibilities without accepting them as hard truth. The hardest thing, they say, is to hold two opposing ideas in our minds at the same time, and be cool with it. In fact, I think someone said that is the hall mark of genius. Not sure about that bit, but it sure is difficult to do given the tendency to want to lock things down and keep them that way in order to feel secure. So I suppose the thing we have to master is, as Don Juan said, (more or less) to be able to face the infinite with impunity or calm, i.e. face the inherently creative and limitless nature of reality, and not freak out.
Ecstasy comes from Greek ekstasis. It did't originally mean 'good feelings', it was a reference to a state in which one is removed from the normal daily life way of Being or Seeing.
So that resonates with Yas' point about the (very difficult!) maintenance of a dual awareness of our current existence as both creatures of the Flesh and creators of the Spirit.
Or another way of putting it, borrowing from Tolle, is that we are human beings. We are both human and Being. Our humanity is in a time-bound evil 3D world, with all that entails, but we are also working on developing Being, the part of us that is somehow above and beyond all that. Maintaining a bridge between the two, in my view, is one way of talking about being an effective transducer of higher energies, or maintaining the conduit. Kinda like a practice of Grace - to neither become lost in the temptations of the Flesh, nor to escape into the realms of the Spirit when the world sucks, but balance both.
So that resonates with Yas' point about the (very difficult!) maintenance of a dual awareness of our current existence as both creatures of the Flesh and creators of the Spirit.
Or another way of putting it, borrowing from Tolle, is that we are human beings. We are both human and Being. Our humanity is in a time-bound evil 3D world, with all that entails, but we are also working on developing Being, the part of us that is somehow above and beyond all that. Maintaining a bridge between the two, in my view, is one way of talking about being an effective transducer of higher energies, or maintaining the conduit. Kinda like a practice of Grace - to neither become lost in the temptations of the Flesh, nor to escape into the realms of the Spirit when the world sucks, but balance both.
The C's also repeatedly said we can learn lessons without suffering. I always understood karma as a "lesson delivery system", and the suffering is optional. It's a double-edged sword. It's hard to avoid suffering because that requires some amount of "conscious suffering" in a way - you gotta do the Work, network, and be willing to re-evaluate your perspective on just about everything, and probe deeply. This is hard. But if you don't do it, you'll suffer, and that can sort-of "force" that re-evaluation on you. The more stubborn you are, or the worse your "karma", the more suffering or conscious suffering. Either way, karma basically says you're not here on vacation, you're here to learn, and if you refuse, you will experience increasing levels of discomfort until you sort of remember your purpose and start learning.
And another thing about karma - the universe is infinitely able to provide karmic lessons. But just as not everyone needs the same amount of suffering to learn the same lessons, not every "place/time" needs to accommodate every level of suffering that some soul might need. "That's where they live because that's where they live" I think is important. Let's say there's a bunch of Hitlers out there trying to find a place to incarnate and clear some serious karma. They can't go to an STO world - because in all likelihood, those Hitlers aren't ready to consciously suffer and simply have a profound set of realizations about their choices through serious self-work and reflection. They're too lazy/mechanical for that. They need suffering. And an STO world won't offer the needed "mechanical suffering".
So they have to go to some level of STS world - basically they need to decide what level of "ass kicking" they think they need to truly learn what they need to learn, and then choose the world or place that offers it based on their karma and/or stubbornness/mechanicalness. "That's where they live because that's where they live" is true for worlds but also specific places/times in a given world.
On our planet some places/times certainly provide a lot more ass-kicking than others. Seems like soon the whole planet and all of humanity will undergo increasing suffering with very little refuge (well it's already escalating). And I guess that's because the Wave is coming, and by delivering the appropriate level of suffering suitable for humanity, you can maximize the "harvest" to 4D. So in a certain sense, 4D STS is being "used" by the universe to maximize our harvest. If we were 3D STO, we wouldn't need any amount of ass-kicking, or maybe very little.
Also, there are no supervillains. Yeah there are psychopaths, but they're harmless unless a bunch of people believe their lies and do their bidding. So it's ultimately not even the psychopaths to blame, but the people who obey them. And you can't even blame them because if they could do differently, they would. They're doing what's "in them to do" at the moment. And they inflict suffering on a bunch of "bystanders", who are innocent, but of course chose to be here now knowing the situation.
So for me it comes down to - how can we stop being a planet that offers this kind of suffering? There are plenty of other planets that can serve the same function, why does ours need to be one of the painful ones? There are plenty of STO planets that don't provide those kinds of experiences, why can't we join their ranks? It's like "who is on first". I don't think it's fair to say our planet has this "designation" from up above - that wouldn't be in line with free-will. It seems to be a result of the kinds of souls incarnating here, and their inability to choose love and conscious suffering en-masse. Which creates a specific kind of environment that involves suffering, which in turn attracts more souls who need that kind of environment to grow. It also attracts 4D STS and is psychopath-friendly, and here we are.
The question is - who is on first? It doesn't seem like 4D STS or psychopaths are the initiators of this mess - they are exploiting the ready and willing FRV already here. And of course, the planetary FRV continues to attract more souls that need this, so we can't just ask the universe to stop the flow and only send STO souls, who wouldn't fit.
So our only choice is to have a planetary change of heart. And I'm not even sure it's possible at that scale without a "cleansing", and even then, at best, it looks like there will be a split. Those who dig their heels in and join the STS forces, and groups who are tired of this crap. So we create our own planet in 4D, and split off from those who aren't ready to give up the feeding cycle.
Ok so it seems like it all comes down to making yourself as inedible/unpalatable as possible. And hope others join you. And everyone else will just have to figure it out through a bit more suffering and maybe they join a bit later. And some will never join.
For those who are "victims" of psychopaths (of their followers anyway) - certainly there are cases where the receivers seem less responsible for their plight. But for example, when the US collapses and people are starving and there's roaming gangs doing who knows what to people, can we truly say the US population is a "victim" of circumstance that was outside of their control? Can we not see the obvious contribution of the populace to its own circumstances? I mean we've been watching this train wreck unfold for years and screaming from the hilltops.
Now take the Palestinians - yes, they're victims of genocide. But I think it's some sort of irony of fate that genetically the Israelis are their brothers and sisters, same as Russians and Ukrainians. But in both cases one side of the family allied itself with the West STS hierarchy/mentality and the whole family is paying the price. The lesson is not just for Palestinians, who probably made a lot of mistakes dealing with their neighbor as well that would be more apparent to someone who lives there and has their eyes open, but also for Israelis, and the whole world. Right now it's Palestine who is suffering, and perhaps in the future it will be Israelis when the wrath of the world is upon them. Are we going to feel a certain sense of satisfaction when that happens? What about all the millions of Israelis who might suffer and/or die in the process? Would we feel just as sympathetic with their fate as we do towards Palestinians?
It's interesting because we clearly see what process led to Israeli or US destruction, so it's easier to have a "big picture" mindset when the West is suffering, but because we're not super clear on what the hell Palestinians possibly did to warrant their genocide, we only see the suffering, not what led up to it (which we may not even be privy to). And maybe it wasn't anything - maybe it's literally them sacrificing themselves so the whole world can see the evil of Israel and do something about it. Maybe on STS planets some people incarnate just to make the evil of the planet become increasingly apparent for everyone else. If they could properly defend themselves, there wouldn't be such a wave of increasing anti-Israeli sentiment. So it's almost like sometimes you have to let a bully bloody your nose for everyone else to see the bully for what they are and do something about it.
For me, the saving grace of all this - is that humanity as a whole have a choice. If we were powerless victims of a cosmic supervillain, I'd call foul and say this is bullshit. But because humanity chooses to play in the dirt, and theoretically can simply "opt out" any time they wish, at least I don't see this as completely unfair or senseless. It still sucks, but to me this whole Israel/Palestine thing is similar to when the whole family looks away when an uncle is molesting the kids. He's now doing it in front of everyone, and while I'm so sorry for the kids, I also know that their suffering can lead to someone in the family finally doing something about it. I'm more upset with the family looking the other way than the uncle doing "what's in him to do". But if them looking away is also them doing "what's in them to do", well then EVERYONE needs to suffer a bit more, and I totally get why.
I think they probably are, especially if they are tied together. The empathy is mixed up with feeling anger at the depravity of the Israelis that is the source of suffering that causes the feeling of empathy. The empathy is not "pure" in that case I suppose. There's a difference between spontaneously wanting to ease the suffering of someone who just hurt themselves by accident, for example, and wanting to help someone who is being actively abused by someone else. In that 2nd scenario, the person is suffering and CONTINUING to suffer and you can't do anything to ease it because of the abuser. This was already mentioned here, the feeling of powerlessness to stop the suffering.
But then we get back into the requirement to find some way to rationalize such a situation, and we have to do that if we're going to continue being a witness to it. And the only obvious way to do that is to fall back on philosophical ideas (although they may be very real) of 'lessons' or 'karma' and, in that way, try to project that suffering onto a 'higher' (and ultimately positive) 'cause'.
It's like Victor Frankl said, that 'as long as a person has a WHY, they can bear any HOW', i.e. as long as a person can ascribe meaning to their suffering, they can bear a LOT of suffering. But it's not so easy to come with valid meaning in the face of suffering, either your own directly, or your own indirectly, i.e witnessing that of others, which while different, can lead to despair just as easily. That's why the idea that suffering can actually be beneficial (learning, growing, 'turning on DNA etc.) is very valuable....as long as you can find a way to believe it, which presents another problem!
Atheists would have us believe that we have to shoulder the burdren of the 'ultimate meaningless of human existence'. But I think that's a cop out that can easily and obviously lead to despair. I think it's a much harder (and more courageous) task to shoulder our inability to understand the true meaning of life in logical or rational terms (which we are kind of trying to do here): to believe (have faith) in a positive meaning to suffering (and a conscious plan to creation) when we cannot really prove to ourselves that it really exists.
Yeah, that's another philosophical angle to add to our list.
No. At least not right now.
Been thinking along similar lines. The Cs have mentioned "balance" again and again in various contexts. We are faced with all these paradoxes: "sitting back" vs. taking action; empathy for the oppressed vs. bigger spiritual picture; creating energy via movement in this realm vs. the traps and dead ends of 3D; not "shutting out" reality vs. transcending the "fleshly" reality, and so on.
All those contradictions we are faced with also "open up a space" between them, where one may find a sort of finer energy - tension produces all sorts of results, after all (like the bow shooting an arrow, a string generating music...). How this plays out in practical terms is somewhat different from person to person I suspect, but for example, when looking at the Palestine situation, part of "balancing" might simply mean to take breaks from staring at the situation and instead try to look beyond the daily carnage. Use that energy on doing something or learning something - which might ultimately honor the victims of those psychos in its own way. Our very discussion here is just such a thing. Looking into the history of Zionism to comprehend what's going on in a wider context might be another (it did help me, although it certainly can increase the anger too).
Another aspect to the idea of balance is that creation is vast, and there is a lot of beauty, insight, growth, compassion etc. in it as well. Allowing ourselves to be drawn to the dark aspects of reality exclusively or lopsidedly in a sense means "shutting out reality" too. And, again, there is a tension here that might actually produce a useful and "higher" energy. This, too, is part of the "show" - not only the suffering and cruelty. There was a LOT of suffering just over the last 5-10 years alone, and yet there has been an acceleration of the transformation of our world that is nothing short of breathtaking, and it is grand and necessary. Another one of those perspectives that can't exist on its own - only as a part of a wider picture, a picture we can only attain via skillful balancing and conscious work with all these paradoxes, as opposed to just being hammered back and forth by them.
