"Enjoying The Show" As The World Burns

Yeah, that's another philosophical angle to add to our list.



No. At least not right now.
So it really helps to understand the "why" of suffering and for it to make sense - which generally means it results from the victim's actions or inactions, and free-will was involved and not violated so we think all is right. But when we aren't privy to the "why", it seems senseless and unfair and a violation of free-will and innocence. But let's hypothetically say ALL suffering is sensible and fair, let's say we tentatively accept that free will is always respected because that's how the Universe works, even if we don't always have access to the information that would elucidate the situation for our own peace of mind.

First, is this a reasonable perspective given what we know from the C's?

Second, is it possible to hold this perspective, acknowledging that no violation of free will is happening and that everything is chosen at some level, without simultaneously falling into "so I won't concern myself with it or feel bad" like many people do who adopt this view?

My guess is yes because if we make that conclusion, we actually nullify the purpose of the suffering, it becomes "for nothing" if everyone just shrugs and moves along.

In fact, you could argue that ultimately the purpose of everyone in the universe is to reduce their own and one another's suffering. Knowledge protects, ignorance endangers. Why do we want knowledge? Besides scientific curiosity, isn't it mainly to reduce our suffering? And we share knowledge to help others reduce theirs. So ultimately, knowledge serves to increase "enjoyment" of existence. People don't pray or ask for help because of scientific curiosity (except Ark lol), they generally have a problem that's causing them some kind of discomfort that they need knowledge/help to solve.

So it's like this weird dance of acknowledging that all suffering is for a reason or serves a purpose and none of it is senseless and no one is truly a "victim" whose free will was completely disregarded and the universe just doesn't care about them, and yet doing our utmost to alleviate suffering through knowledge whenever possible. If the universe works through us, then we are the "audience" for the suffering whose action is demanded.
 
Sometimes I imagine each of those Palestinian souls, as they were standing at the threshold before being reborn into those bodies, knowing they will be brutalised and tortured and that the death will be a blessing for them, each of them knowing the traumas they will suffer as children, and I can not but being stunned by their bravery and heroism. Willingly to go and live trough such a life!? I find it very brave, for the lack of stronger word.

Is that karma, and what if they are reincarnation of some Nazis, or whoever, who did similar atrocities to others, and now they are paying a karmic debt; what does it mean? Maybe it means that these souls eventually choose STO path, and they realised the need for balance and payoff, as opposed they might have gone and incarnate again as i.e. Zionists in those death camps and cement themselves on STS path. But, by choosing STO, they realised the burden and bravely came back and did they role that not only will help themselves but also millions of others with their sacrifice.

From a soul perspective, to me that sounds quite triumphant.

But still leaves the problem of enjoying the show. Can we be part of the world but not of it, while watching this catastrophe? To me, the situation in Gaza looks like all the evils of past times are rolled into one, like Nazis and Inquisition had some mutant baby on steroids. I thought of how the life of a human had no value in the past, what did Inquisition do to the "withes", and all the horrors of so many ways people were tortured and killed in every war in the past (i.e. think of Impalement), and we are watching it all live. How can we not be angry and discussed at unnecessary sufferings? I don´t know, but for all we know we might just well gone ourselves trough all of this at some point in the past. We might as well been on both sides of the story and now is time for another lessons.

So maybe what we can do is to endure, to send our thoughts and prayers to these souls to endure their suffering with their hearts as pure as then possibly can be so they can move further on the STO path. And to keep spreading the word of a cause they are fighting for and support them thus.

Just a few thoughts…
IMO suffering always existed whether we know it or not. whatever the name we put it - slavery, colonialism, genocide, follow the order for freedom or nothing else to do to get enrolled (or forced) etc. Suffering doesn't need to be death alone. It can be physical , mental or emotional etc. If not, 4D STS didn't have survived this long. Because that is end of cycle, lot more suffering than usual.

Incarnational choice involved certain amount of blueprint and that involved some serious STO guidance. Obvious question, what one will do in a specific question. The 'enjoy' or 'joy' of beyond 3D nature is something happens and beyond our conscious planning, though it involved conscious choices. Probably, C's can tells us more beyond what they already told us.

It looks to me, Israel (being top of the 3D STS chain of command, though specialized in false flags) is the last horcrux( of Harry Potter theme). Other horcruxes being US "might" that is used through "secret government" etc. World is not about us and it is about every body who chose to born despite all the "Marvel" movies we are exposed to. Those people has to be further separated into OP's, non-OP's, non-OP souls that chose to be ignorant. At the end, this seems to relevant.

Q: (Atriedes) If you could give 3 pieces of advice to the world, what would they be?

A: I was wrong to think I could change the masses by example. Humans are fickle and self-centered for the most part. Thus, if you wish to really effect changes, it can only be done by early education, and even then it is fragile and will not last. In the end you must be true to your own nature and fear nothing. If you do that you may make a difference after you are gone. That is not exactly what you are looking for, but there are no 3 pieces of advice that serve all events.
The level of "corruption" in our "environment" is so dynamically getting changed, we are left with nothing but "watching the show", hold on to our "frequency" and wonder about the dynamics of upstairs players.
 
I think there is a tendency to interpret "balance" as we see it and not as the PTB see it. It is possible that from their point of view, they know that if they push control too far too soon, then people will rebel. So, maintaining balance for them may mean not going too far too soon in their efforts, not a sort of balance we humans may imagine. OSIT
They want to maintain 'business as usual' while at the same time creating a lot of chaos. 'They' must be at opposing ends, with an entropic side, but part of the PTB, at least, wants to create chaos in order to emerge as the top dog in the distribution of the new system. But chaos is coming anyway from cosmic forces, (drop dead date). They may attempt to take credit for things they really can't control as discussed here before. I can't help but imagine huge train wrecks as a lot of energy smashes against... something. It could be resistance from the people finally combined with a lot of blowback of their own making, plus any cosmic black swans.

It seems the PTB are trying to create chaos to initiate a new stable system and a new balance with the PTB even more in control as the Wave intensifies. As I mentioned, the PTB may also be working against themselves to some extent.
 
Regarding Karma, because it's being mentioned a lot in this discussion and it makes me wonder anew, do we all fall under the same law? I.e. if I am a being from a collective soul pool, do I fall under the same law of Karma as a being with an individuated soul? What do you think?

Another point, the Cs said back in the day that 4D STS beings have been interfering with our Free Will for thousands of years and that they messed up with our DNA making us dumber in the process. So maybe we should take into consideration the fact that we are, like the Palestinians in a way, all held hostages and unable to exercise our free will and full capacities of being due to said interference. And perhaps in the microcosm of what is happening in Gaza, there is a symbolism of what is happening macrocosmically to all of us? Just a thought, not yet fully developed, but inspired by all your writings.
 
Allowing ourselves to be drawn to the dark aspects of reality exclusively or lopsidedly in a sense means "shutting out reality" too.

That's an important point to remember, I think.

So it really helps to understand the "why" of suffering and for it to make sense - which generally means it results from the victim's actions or inactions, and free-will was involved and not violated so we think all is right. But when we aren't privy to the "why", it seems senseless and unfair and a violation of free-will and innocence. But let's hypothetically say ALL suffering is sensible and fair, let's say we tentatively accept that free will is always respected because that's how the Universe works, even if we don't always have access to the information that would elucidate the situation for our own peace of mind.

First, is this a reasonable perspective given what we know from the C's?

Pretty much, one of the core concepts is that knowledge gives more free will. The degree to which you lack knowledge is the degree to which you lack free will. So there's no room for griping, and yeah, in that sense, there is no violation of free will. People who are persecuted and suffer only do so because a) that kind of thing is part of the nature of life on planet earth and b) such people lack the knowledge/are encumbered by false beliefs, that would allow them to avoid the persecution and suffering.

It's like someone who plays a game and loses, and then says that their free will was infringed by having defeat foisted upon them. It wasn't, they just need to learn to play better/smarter.

Second, is it possible to hold this perspective, acknowledging that no violation of free will is happening and that everything is chosen at some level, without simultaneously falling into "so I won't concern myself with it or feel bad" like many people do who adopt this view?

My guess is yes because if we make that conclusion, we actually nullify the purpose of the suffering, it becomes "for nothing" if everyone just shrugs and moves along.

Yep, so the deal seems to be that we are required to witness and thereby 'honor' the suffering - be it our own or that of others - and learn the lessons there are to learn from it.

So that just leaves being really disturbed by the existence and manifestation of heartlessness, cruelty and supreme self-interest in this world, i.e. evil. But we've already covered that I think.
 
Great discussion! I don't have much to add, except that there is a genocide, happening in front of the whole world and many people, don't give a damn. They don't want to know. That shocked me almost as much as seeing children maimed. How can you be indifferent at the suffering of innocents, on such a scale?! Maybe Palestinians chose to live through this on some level, but it doesn't absolve the psychos supporting this madness, and it doesn't excuse the many who couldn't care less as long as they're not involved.

In retrospective, it was maybe naïve of me to think like this, but I always thought that if another genocide was happening, the world wouldn't let it happen, some for noble reasons, some because they know they could be next. That the massacre is continuing a year later is eye opening and depressing. One of the only thing we can do is bear witness.
 
Great discussion! I don't have much to add, except that there is a genocide, happening in front of the whole world and many people, don't give a damn. They don't want to know. That shocked me almost as much as seeing children maimed. How can you be indifferent at the suffering of innocents, on such a scale?! Maybe Palestinians chose to live through this on some level, but it doesn't absolve the psychos supporting this madness, and it doesn't excuse the many who couldn't care less as long as they're not involved.

In retrospective, it was maybe naïve of me to think like this, but I always thought that if another genocide was happening, the world wouldn't let it happen, some for noble reasons, some because they know they could be next. That the massacre is continuing a year later is eye opening and depressing. One of the only thing we can do is bear witness.
I have few WhatsApp groups of friends and colleagues. Normally, the video's like immigrants moving from NYC to surrounding states etc. gets lot of reaction. few weeks back I posted some video's related to North Carolina floods (on how FEMA blocking rescue and high death count etc.). What I find surprising is there was not even a post related to it that, so I posted one. I expected some response. Absolute Zero as if nothing happened.

One possible reason is it is not related to their state or immediate neighborhood. Other being people became "reaction machines" to media. Media so thoroughly covered up NC floods that my colleagues feel surprised when I describe them the situation there. when people's livelihood is based on public sentiment ( aka stock market) and it is based on daily news of economy, people are so accustomed to that. They are like reaction machines until water comes to their feet.

Same is true related to situation in Middle East. One day they are "terrorists", another day they are "brothers" and saying anything against them is "Racism". If you say anything against Israel or Jew, you will lose your job because in the top circle, some body will be there to object to it. Every body moves on as if nothing is happening. If too many pays attention to something PTB don't like, new circus will start.
 
But there's a way to see it through the "previous life" lens without it becoming 'mechanical' and uncaring, no?
The latter reminds me of a story I read somewhere about a group of Buddhists who turned themselves into heartless killing machines during a war because they knew their victims would just reincarnate anyway.
If you substitute

"we know that they need that surgery because they have a given condition"

for

"we know that they need to experience this suffering because they have a given condition called "karma"

and we can still feel sorry for the person having to go through the pain of the surgery despite having that knowledge.
I suspect there are limits to this though. Even if karma is real, I don't think it applies to all situations. Some things just happen. Ra called it "random catalyst." Bennett called it the "law of hazard." Maybe the years' long torture and rape of a child, followed by that child's murder, is karma, for instance. But what if it isn't? What if they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time? As another example, using nukes wouldn't be a huge sin if it was all just karma and a manifestation of higher-choice free will to have your body and soul ripped to pieces.

So here's another pair of contradictory ideas: higher-self determinism, according to which every single event in your life is "planned" and "chosen by free will", versus actual free will, where sometimes bad people do bad things simply because they can, and sometimes accidents happen. I think these can be reconciled. On some level, we "choose" to be here, even if that means accepting the risk that things will not go entirely according to plan. But the universe is set up such that we can learn from those things too, even if it takes several lifetimes.

Found this Ra excerpt which is germane:
42.7 Questioner: I would like to try to make an analogy for this in third density. Many entities here feel great compassion toward relieving the physical problems of third-density other-selves by administering to them in many ways, bringing them food if there is hunger as there is in the African nations now, bringing them medicine if they believe they require administering to them medically, and being selfless in all of these services to a very great extent.

This is creating a polarization or a vibration that is in harmony with green ray or fourth density. However, it is not balanced with the understanding of fifth density that these entities are experiencing catalyst and a more balanced administration to their needs would be to provide them with the learning necessary to reach the state of awareness of fourth density than it would be to administer to their physical needs at this time. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. To a mind/body/spirit complex which is starving, the appropriate response is the feeding of the body. You may extrapolate from this.

On the other hand, however, you are correct in your assumption that the green ray response is not as refined as that which has been imbued with wisdom. This wisdom enables the entity to appreciate its contributions to the planetary consciousness by the quality of its being, without regard to activity or behavior which expects results upon visible planes.

42.8 Questioner: Then why do we have the extreme starvation problem in, generally, in the area of Africa at this time? Is this, is there any metaphysical reason for this, or is it purely random occurrence?

Ra: I am Ra. Your previous assumption was correct as to the catalytic action of this starvation and ill health. However, it is within the free will of an entity to respond to this plight of other-selves, and the offering of the needed foodstuffs and substances is an appropriate response within the framework of your learn/teachings [i.e. lessons] at this time which involve the growing sense of love for and service to other-selves.
So basically, both perspectives are valuable, each representing a different "center." Compassion and the desire to relieve suffering is an expression of the "heart" (equated to 4D in Ra, or the higher emotional center). This is augmented by "wisdom" (equated to 5D, perhaps higher intellect), which sees all these instances of suffering as lessons and possible chances to polarize either toward STO or STS. It's entirely within our free will to help directly when we can, but in situations we can't, "This wisdom enables [us] to appreciate [our] contributions to the planetary consciousness by the quality of [our] being, without regard to activity or behavior which expects results upon visible planes."
You know what this reminds me of? That night Laura had that 'Night on the Porch' when all the past-life memories came flooding in. The main thing she said that she learned from that experience is that NO ONE on this planet is innocent.

Does THAT fact change the way we view other people's 'unnecessary' suffering?
That probably comes down to the individual. Some might conclude that everyone "deserves it." Others might take the Jesus route: "they know not what they do." But to know that you have been responsible for that unnecessary suffering might also be the catalyst not to be the source of it any longer and to see that in the long run, it's all lessons.
So perhaps, one thing we can achieve at this level is to sort of have a dual awareness. Much like what some therapists try to encourage in their clients in some trauma therapies, which allows them to look at the painful memories, while keeping some perspective of the present, sort of like having one foot here and now, and the other foot in the painful memory.
Or maybe like watching a movie or reading a novel (or even a history book)? I know personally that there are often scenes that are not strictly speaking "enjoyable," but after finishing it I will say I enjoyed it as a whole (even tragedies). Part of that is the meaning that is given to the suffering within the wider story, which might be analogous to a higher perspective on life. We live in a "dramatic" universe.
But let's hypothetically say ALL suffering is sensible and fair, let's say we tentatively accept that free will is always respected because that's how the Universe works, even if we don't always have access to the information that would elucidate the situation for our own peace of mind.

First, is this a reasonable perspective given what we know from the C's?
I don't think so. Free will isn't always respected. It's just that there are consequences for the violations, and opportunities to grow when our free will is violated. When discussing the Trump assassination attempt, the C's said: "Violations of free will on that scale are similar to violations of gravity in your realm." That implies that violations on a smaller scale are not similar to violating the law of gravity. Ra put it like this: "those of negative polarity do not operate with respect to free will unless it is necessary. They call themselves and will infringe whenever they feel it possible." As for all suffering being sensible and fair, there's the example of nukes, which I suspect probably isn't the only such example.
Regarding Karma, because it's being mentioned a lot in this discussion and it makes me wonder anew, do we all fall under the same law? I.e. if I am a being from a collective soul pool, do I fall under the same law of Karma as a being with an individuated soul? What do you think?
I'd guess it would have to be different. The way Ra describes it, lessons are more or less random for "new" or "unpolarized" souls, until they acquire a bias towards STS or STO, at which point lessons are more directed or planned. But there's no real analogue to the OP in Ra. (For those interested, here are all the mentions of karma in the law of one.)

None of which answers the question, though!

I'd just add one final thing, and that is what Troels Engberg-Pedersen writes about joy in his work on Paul and the Stoics. Basically, joy is the state of a highly spiritually advanced person, even in the face of suffering. From a random blog on Stoic joy:
Seneca mentioned three aspects of stoic joy: not afraid of death, not afraid of difficulties, and not indulgent in pleasures. I reflected that real joy, according to Stoicism, is not surface-level cheerfulness. Rather, it is a deep sense of purpose, inner confidence, and emotional stability.
Here's a couple sections from Paul and the Stoics:
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Second:
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It's kind of funny to see you say this. To answer the initial question, you basically had to say that their definition of enjoy is "not enjoy at all".:-D But to be honest, that seems to be the only logical answer.
Lol I hear ya. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the idea, so it's pure speculation on my part, and it may be best to simply ask the Cs "what did you mean?"

Today I thought two things about this topic. First, maybe the key isn't the word "enjoy", maybe it's the word "show". as such, one enjoys a show only after it's over, even if it's a horror show, in which case we feel terror, and once it's over we may be able to enjoy whatever comes once we realize the show it's over. About holding two opposing ideas.

And second, I thought, what if it's simply a tongue in cheek comment? like the one used when you say "have fun!" to someone faced with a tedious task, or "enjoy!" when you know they will most certainly not.. as a way to lighten up the situation, or as a show of empathy, as if to say "I am 100% certain you will not enjoy it, but I want you to know that I know"
 
Excellent responses already posted, just to add my point of view which is similar to many; I have always seen “enjoy the show” as in enjoy and witness the balance being restored! It would not be easy, it will not be a happy process, it will be painful at times but there will be a very “happy ending” after all. So, if we understand that everything is part of a natural process and there is no other way for the balance to be restored than by suffering and cosmic changes.
Then enjoy the show is sort of like a little of encouragement from the Cs for us not to suffer as much and look at the positive side of the changes. They never implied to not feel anything or detach ourselves completely or not to have empathy, to me it sounded as ‘yes, it will be horrible and not easy to witness, but it’s necessary for the greater good, so enjoy the show in spite of everything that will happen to get there.’
 
I have always seen “enjoy the show” as in enjoy and witness the balance being restored! It would not be easy, it will not be a happy process, it will be painful at times but there will be a very “happy ending” after all. So, if we understand that everything is part of a natural process and there is no other way for the balance to be restored than by suffering and cosmic changes.
Then enjoy the show is sort of like a little of encouragement from the Cs for us not to suffer as much and look at the positive side of the changes. They never implied to not feel anything or detach ourselves completely or not to have empathy, to me it sounded as ‘yes, it will be horrible and not easy to witness, but it’s necessary for the greater good, so enjoy the show in spite of everything that will happen to get there

I tend to lean towards this way of thinking too. And also along the lines of what others have said, we chose to be here now, to witness and experience this "process", so for me it somewhat comes down to trusting that my higher self knows what it's doing, that I (at some level higher than my current self) made this decision to be here, that when we get to 4 or 5D we can "remember" the visceral physical and intenseness of being in 3D with some sort of joy? Like going o the scary rollercoaster! 😳🤣
 
At some level aren’t we co-creating our human predicament? Understanding the full implications of how to “enjoy the show” could mean we realise how to stop co-creating our predicament. When I say our, I am referring to us as a species.

The show is to do with seeing all our lives as an on screen drama like Mouravieff described.
 
When I think about “Sit back and enjoy the show“ I think about all the things that have happened in the last couple of years/decades everywhere on the globe (negative and positive (!) from our perspective) and how lucky and blessed I can be to be able to watch those happenings from such a unique and insightful perspective that is probably closer to objective reality. How many people on the globe besides us here have that unique “privilege“? Shouldn’t we be very thankful/grateful for having the ability to watch events from this perspective? Isn’t it a blessing to be alive in such times? And with such perspectives in mind that also seem to be helping us personally to learn a lot as a group and individually?

So indeed, I enjoy that a lot! And the feeling/thinking associated with it, that seem to come pretty close to what the C‘s say, seems to be indeed: “Enjoy the show!“

So it seems to me that the enjoyment the C‘s talk about might be at least partly about that?

That doesn’t mean at all that you are not, or shouldn’t be, appalled and disgusted and furious about happenings such as what is happening in Gaza. I certainly feel so about it too. I think you probably can and should see and experience both things to some extent at the same time. And I don’t think that they exclude eachother.
 
Today I thought two things about this topic. First, maybe the key isn't the word "enjoy", maybe it's the word "show". as such, one enjoys a show only after it's over, even if it's a horror show, in which case we feel terror, and once it's over we may be able to enjoy whatever comes once we realize the show it's over. About holding two opposing ideas.

And second, I thought, what if it's simply a tongue in cheek comment? like the one used when you say "have fun!" to someone faced with a tedious task, or "enjoy!" when you know they will most certainly not.. as a way to lighten up the situation, or as a show of empathy, as if to say "I am 100% certain you will not enjoy it, but I want you to know that I know"

Well, the impetus behind asking the original question, and the answer to it, is kind of obvious. It centers on the idea of fear of physical suffering and death, and the materialistic paradigm that dominates in 3D. When we see the suffering and death of others, we have an instinctive aversion to it, partly because of empathy for the person suffering, but just as much because of that visceral fear and aversion to our own suffering and death, and rejection of those that cause it. There's a decent amount of 'projection' going on I think. So the only way out of that is to cultivate the kind of knowledge and being that allows us to view, and ideally KNOW, physical existence as not the whole banana, and in fact just a temporary sojourn and, in that context, an 'illusion'. Pretty easy, right?:halo:
 

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