Perhaps a related question here is if the Palestinian people are expunging some karmic debt with their current situation?
I think that this question could bring some meaning, though the C's probably will reply that they are (expunging some karmic debt). Still, in the context of the discussion on suffering, it could help put things in perspective, specifically because of "being forced to observe suffering while feeling powerless".
Because I am reminded of this about the horrors happening in Africa.
(L) When you take it all in perspective, all the pain and suffering on each and every side of all the different groups of people throughout history, and then about recompense coming to this or that group... And of course the average person would think, "Well, those people that committed those acts are not the ones who are suffering because they died and it's their children that are suffering." Well, that completely leaves out the idea of reincarnation, that people come back again and pay. I remember when we asked something about Atlantis and the C's said the Atlanteans were doing a replay of their attempt to control the whole world.
(Pierre) The motive is similar. The last destruction of Atlantis was...
(L) It was about power. We asked once about if black people in Africa ever had a high civilization. They said yes. I asked what happened to it, and they said they were cruel overlords and their civilization was destroyed and they were reduced to bare survival in the jungles or savanna or whatever as a result. So... Power comes to one and then it's taken away. It goes to another, and it's taken away. Over and over again. We just happen to be here in a place and time where a whole lot of things are culminating in one point in our history. And the C's have said that this is because it's the closing of a Grand Cycle of 309,000 years or something like that. So ALL the little threads that were left dangling and all the different groups that are deserving of punishment... And I guess the Brits are REALLY going to get it because of their whole empire thing... oh my god. And I should talk about it! My DNA says I'm 85% British, Scottish, and Irish. So... How do I know that I wasn't one of those empire-building nabobs over in India or Malaysia or the colonies in America. And of course you can't even really get all soft and syrupy about the Native Americans. What did they do? They were probably the Atlanteans. That's what their punishment was: to be overwhelmed by the European invaders.
(Niall) What did the Irish ever do to anyone? [laughter]
(L) We don't know.
(Joe) The current ones have been infiltrated. They're all half-castes in power. Laura, you were the Duke or Duchess of Tinklebottom... The Duke of Whibblesworth... Some funny English name. You will pay!
(Pierre) Taking this historic distance, you don't identify as much.
(Joe) You should take that French flag down in the workshop, then. [laughter]
(L) Well, all joking aside, I think the bottom line is that we're being challenged to take a more cosmic perspective on the whole thing. What did the Cs say once? No body-centric persons need apply. If you're body-centric, that means you're stuck in your 3D thinking. We're being invited to rise above that and basically enjoy the show because we're seeing a BIG historical set of events transpiring right before our eyes.
(PoB) Can we change the channel?
(Niall) Only if you change your proteins!
(Joe) A very good way to stop identifying with 3d reality is for it ALL to go to hell! Who wants to identify with something that's a clown show, ya know?
(Andromeda) Which it is!
(L) It IS fascinating, I gotta admit!
I think using such buffers as karma, or destiny or whatever, runs contrary to conscious suffering. It's no different than the materialist viewpoint that we're just insignificant organic aggregations of atoms and that consciousness, thus suffering, is an illusion. Karma o no karma, murdering people is wrong.
I think that understanding and knowing that one may have wronged another and caused another a great suffering, and that's why one has to experience suffering too, actually could give meaning to the suffering. It what makes it "conscious suffering", because now one has a full awareness and acceptence of responsibility.
As for murder "being wrong" without any context, this was discussed before in relation to Caesar, for example. Besides, we all "figuratively" have blood on our hands, if reincarnation is the thing. Probably some killings or murders do carry heavier karmic debt than others, like death by a nuclear exposion, but some could be as a result of preplanned decision in 5D. Obviously it doesn't "justify" them. But from a grand "bird view" it does provide perspective. Or at least we hope so, because then it provides
us (the sufferers, the survivors, the witnesses) with a meaning.
So is it knowledge and understanding that is missing here? If we knew it to be objective truth that a group of people were suffering in order to "expunge" some previous debt or karma and they were doing it "willingly", would mitigate our hand-wringing over their suffering?
Probably, imo. And it relates to what you said here:
Back to this point, which I think is useful to contemplate. How much of our 'empathy' for those suffering at the hands of psychopaths in positions of power is really 'pure' empathy and how much of it is actually a desire to avoid the negative feelings in us, that such brutality provokes?
And just to put things in perspective even further, the fact is that horrors in Africa are ongoing even now. People there suffer constantly and on everyday basis. Many of them die due to hunger or malnutrition, or as a result of extremely violent conflicts, or as a result of manufactured diseases. But since many Western countries have a direct hand in perpetuating Africa's suffering, we are not being exposed to it as much as we could. We still can, if we look for it. Here's
an article about it, as an example, that just provides a general scope of suffering there.
It has been a painful lesson of the dictum that knowledge protects and to respect people's free will despite the dire possible consequences that we are aware of. Perhaps I am mentioning it, because my father and his wife was getting yet another dual Covid booster and flu shot today and knowing that I can only be a silent witness to it.
Indeed. Maybe it is
our lesson to observe the reality as it really is, in all its awful manifistations and then make informed choices to act or not to act. And maybe not act physically, but only be a conscious witness.
Feeling powerless can cause
us great suffering. We would want to ameliorate it by action. Not only because we would want to ease someone else's suffering, but also because
we don't want to have to live with ourselves if we do nothing. That's why feeling powerless is so painful. If one is not a psycho, one has a natural inclination to want to help and remove or ease someone else's suffering.
Who knows, maybe we also better clarify the term "enjoy" and what it means for the C's, because maybe it carries a different meaning, similar to "love". According to the C's, love is light is knowledge. And this provided us with much broader meaning. It doesn't negate the emotion, but it seems to tranform it into a more encapsulating experience. Maybe this is also part of what the C's said:
A: Emotion that limits is an impediment to progress. Emotion is also necessary to make progress in 3rd density. It is natural. When you begin to separate limiting emotions based on assumptions from emotions that open one to unlimited possibilities, that means you are preparing for the next density.
So maybe the word "enjoy" is similar. For us "enjoy" means that we derive pleasure from something, and it seems almost sacrilegious or infuriating to even go there,
to allow ourselves to feel pleasure while observing someone else's suffering? It makes us wonder, what does it mean exactly? Are we being told to ignore and shut out? But isn't it exactly what the C's also said, that for those the world will cease?
So maybe it's not that. Maybe definition of "enjoy" includes learning how to view oneself as part of mosaic consciousness.
A: Maybe, but suggest you learn to blend mosaic consciousness.
Q: (L) What is mosaic consciousness?
A: Thinking in internally spherical terms, rather than using linear "point blank" approach. The whole picture is seen by seeing the whole scene.
A: No, because you are still thinking 3rd density. Better to have a "front row seat," and enjoy!
Q: (L) But I feel like I am not supposed to be enjoying myself so much! I feel guilty!
A: Why not?
Q: (L) Well! I'm supposed to be DOING something!
A: You are.
Q: (A) When you watch, look and listen, you are getting some signals, and these signals cause a certain pattern of thinking which were not yet able to emerge, but now, after you receive certain signals, you start to think in a different way. So, you cannot now think in a different way, but when you learn this and this has happened, then you start to think in a different pattern. So, you cannot now do things, but you always have to be ready to change your thinking at any moment when you understand more, when you see more, when you notice more, when you put things together which are not yet together. Then, there may be a big change of perspective, a total change. And this we have to keep our minds and thinking patterns open and ready to change, and work and put the puzzle and mosaic together. And, this is all that counts. It is this work that we are now doing that counts, not some future big thing: oh! Now we go on a ship! No, it is only doing our best, and what is it? Our best? It will change. I believe so. That is the idea. So, everything depends on this.
A: Yes. You see, my dear, you cannot anticipate that which is not anticipatable.
And this broader understanding, as a result of looking at reality as is, provides meaning, and thus "comfort". It eases the inner struggle of having to watch suffering in an unflinching way without acting. Or maybe not "eases", but again, puts in perspective.
Just like Laura's signature:
He who learns must suffer
And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget
Falls drop by drop upon the heart,
And in our own despair, against our will,
Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God.
Agamemnon, Aeschylus
Maybe that's the "ecstasy" part in this particular situation. Consciously holding the inner fire that is being produced by inner suffering as a result of non-action, or of being a witness. And this in itself is already "doing something".
Q: (L) That is inexpressibly depressing. Do you understand?
A: Why? Change will follow.
Q: (L) Will it follow soon?
A: You are slipping a bit. Refer to Literature "Bringers of the Dawn". Challenge will be ecstasy if viewed with proper perspective which is not, we repeat: not of third level reality, understand?
In the end, the C's did tell us what we
can do:
A: Pray and meditate and build your network in the hyperdimensional spaces. Much turmoil coming. Be awake, alert, aware, and utilize knowledge. It really does protect if you can set limiting emotions aside. Goodbye.
Added: Regardless of the above, I personally think that it is totally justifiable to want Israel pay and suffer for what they did and do to the Palestinians. Precisely because their actions are so blatandly psychopathic, and they do it in a totally unashamed way. And as we know, this will come.
But to be honest, that seems to be the only logical answer.
