Explosion at fertilizer plant near Waco, Texas - Meteorite or comet fragment?

[Joe]

The sky looked clear except for the plant fire, I have a good feeling the comet would have been visible for a while.

The sky is pretty obviously cloudy in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9S7yVbqcmg

So, as I said, putting cloud cover at about 3,000ft (for example), the meteorite would have been visible for a fraction of a second before impact/detonation.

 

[Nawd]

I also don't think the comet would impact and explode exactly like a cruise missile. ...

Whatever happened there did not "impact and explode" - it exploded first, then impacted with a following ground explosion.


I have a good feeling the comet would have been visible for a while.

You don't know much about comets, do you? Please read my comet series and my new book "Comets and The Horns of Moses" for extracts of the hard data.

I don't know how I am supposed to debate something with you when you deny objective facts on video. There wouldn't be a reflected blast from the missile if it didn't impact before exploding. But there is an undeniable reflection. Should I just stop posting so you and friends can promote your comet theory? You don't know much about missiles do you?
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Or maybe you are spending way too much time on something that you are enjoying the promotion of just arguing your, and a bunch of others,' theory.

We research and learn, and we have read all of the recommended books to understand occasions like this.

Also what you said was insulting. You don't know anything about this website, and I can tell by your posts, you have never read anything here of the recommended stuff.

Good day.

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[derekbaxter24]

The sky looked clear except for the plant fire, I have a good feeling the comet would have been visible for a while.

The sky is pretty obviously cloudy in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9S7yVbqcmg

So, as I said, putting cloud cover at about 3,000ft (for example), the meteorite would have been visible for a fraction of a second before impact/detonation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTVUA-jJ11I
The sky looks pretty clear to me. There may be patches of clouds, but they are light.
What objective evidence do you have of this being a meteorite or comet?
A comet or meteorite will never impact and explode like a tomahawk cruise missile. Fact.
Have you researched missile impacts?

 

[derekbaxter24]

I also don't think the comet would impact and explode exactly like a cruise missile. ...

Whatever happened there did not "impact and explode" - it exploded first, then impacted with a following ground explosion.


I have a good feeling the comet would have been visible for a while.

You don't know much about comets, do you? Please read my comet series and my new book "Comets and The Horns of Moses" for extracts of the hard data.

I don't know how I am supposed to debate something with you when you deny objective facts on video. There wouldn't be a reflected blast from the missile if it didn't impact before exploding. But there is an undeniable reflection. Should I just stop posting so you and friends can promote your comet theory? You don't know much about missiles do you?

Or maybe you are spending way too much time on something that you are enjoying the promotion of just arguing your, and a bunch of others,' theory.

We research and learn, and we have read all of the recommended books to understand occasions like this.

Also what you said was insulting. You don't know anything about this website, and I can tell by your posts, you have never read anything here of the recommended stuff.

Good day.

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Wrong, you make the false assumption I haven't read or looked at anything recommended.
You research to learn? How many hours have you put in studying the videos, impacts and explosions?
Most of the others writing on this haven't seen the missile. I have, big difference. You promote comet speculation against my observed evidence and claim I am the biased one?
What are all the recommended books to understand occasions like this? Do they explain how meteorites and comets explode like cruise missiles?

 

[Approaching Infinity]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTVUA-jJ11I
The sky looks pretty clear to me. There may be patches of clouds, but they are light.

It looks like a slightly overcast day to me, with some low-lying clouds. Support:

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/goes/blog/archives/12683

A powerful and deadly explosion at a fertilizer plant in the city of West, Texas occurred on the evening of 17 April 2013. A thinning of the layered cloudiness across the region allowed the 4-km resolution GOES-13 3.9 µm shortwave IR channel image (above) to reveal a subtle “hot spot” (yellow color enhancement) signature of the large fire that burned into the night.

Shown below is a comparison of images from the Suomi NPP VIIRS 0.7 µm Day/Night Band (DNB) at 08:00 UTC or 3:00 AM local time on 17 April (the night before the explosion) and 07:41 UTC or 2:41 AM local time on 18 April (the night after the explosion). The 18 April DNB image appears to display a brighter signal in the West, Texas area (circled), although it is unclear whether this brighter signal on the later Day/Night Band image is due to the fire, or the large amount of emergency response activity, or some combination of the two factors. The presence of optically-thick cloud layers across the region may also be playing a role in the apparent West, Texas brightness differences sensed by the DNB detectors; this effect is very notable in the city light signature of the Dallas/Ft.Worth area in the upper center portion of the 2 images.

Still trying to find images of the exact time of the explosion...

 

[derekbaxter24]

The sky looked clear except for the plant fire, I have a good feeling the comet would have been visible for a while.

The sky is pretty obviously cloudy in this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9S7yVbqcmg

So, as I said, putting cloud cover at about 3,000ft (for example), the meteorite would have been visible for a fraction of a second before impact/detonation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTVUA-jJ11I
The sky looks pretty clear to me. There may be patches of clouds, but they are light.
What objective evidence do you have of this being a meteorite or comet?
A comet or meteorite will never impact and explode like a tomahawk cruise missile. Fact.
Have you researched missile impacts?

1:20 Clear Sky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTVUA-jJ11I

 

[derekbaxter24]

Sorry, This is the one I meant to post before. Clear sky at 1:20 in. http://www.khou.com/video/featured-videos/Cell-phone-videos-photos-capture-devastation-of-West-plant-explosion-203702441.html

 

[Joe]

Sorry, This is the one I meant to post before. Clear sky at 1:20 in. http://www.khou.com/video/featured-videos/Cell-phone-videos-photos-capture-devastation-of-West-plant-explosion-203702441.html

The point I was making was that, as shown by the radar images, there was a fairly large amount of cloud in the area at that time, making it less likely that many people would have seen a 'fireball' in the sky prior to the explosion.

 

[Joe]

A comet or meteorite will never impact and explode like a tomahawk cruise missile. Fact.

Seen a lot of meteorite impacts, have ya?

 

[Joe]

Cause of Texas fertilizer plant blast unclear; inquiry continues

The cause of the fire that triggered the deadly explosion of a fertilizer plant in West, Texas, last month remains undetermined after a $1-million investigation, officials said Thursday. Although the probe continues, the cause of the disaster may never be known.

A million bux and...nothing, ever. That says a lot. Certain investigation results just can't be shared I suppose.

 

[derekbaxter24]

A comet or meteorite will never impact and explode like a tomahawk cruise missile. Fact.

Seen a lot of meteorite impacts, have ya?

Where is your objective evidence showing a comet or meteorite exploding like a cruise missile? I have provided plenty of objective evidence only to be tested against subjective theories without a base. I don't have to see a lot of meteorite impacts to know that it will not impact and explode like a cruise missile. It will not have the same shape, speed or explosive charges in the same place.

 

[Approaching Infinity]

Here are the satellite images I could find for 5 minutes before the explosion (12:45 UTC):

They all show what appears to be a light cloud cover over the Waco/West, Texas, region. (Handy website: _http://cloudsgate2.larc.nasa.gov/index.html, I used the CONUS data)

 

[Joe]

A comet or meteorite will never impact and explode like a tomahawk cruise missile. Fact.

Seen a lot of meteorite impacts, have ya?

Where is your objective evidence showing a comet or meteorite exploding like a cruise missile? I have provided plenty of objective evidence only to be tested against subjective theories without a base. I don't have to see a lot of meteorite impacts to know that it will not impact and explode like a cruise missile. It will not have the same shape, speed or explosive charges in the same place.

I didn't say "it was a meteorite, fact". I didn't say "meteorites always explode like cruise missiles."

You said "A comet or meteorite will never impact and explode like a tomahawk cruise missile. Fact."

Prove it. If you can't, then stop dressing up your opinions as 'facts'.

There has been a very large increase in fireballs and meteorites in our skies over the past five years. We are suggesting that the West, Texas fertilizer plant explosion could have been caused by a meteorite. There is no hard evidence to prove that it was a meteorite, and no hard evidence to prove that it wasn't. The problem is that authorities have just spent $1million investigating the explosion and are now saying they don't know what caused and it and may never know. That is rather bizarre, because it suggests that they have found no rational reason for the explosion, i.e. it probably wasn't caused by 'ammonia fertilizer' or ammonium nitrate etc.

Now, since you suggest that it was a missile, why don't you tell us WHY anyone would have fired a missile at that plant.

 

[derekbaxter24]

To any ballistics expert, I already have proven it. Can you disprove or explain how it would impact and exlode the same?

 

[Approaching Infinity]

To any ballistics expert, I already have proven it. Can you disprove or explain how it would impact and exlode the same?

Have you heard of Tunguska? Or read up on airburst phenomena? You can try Dennis Cox's work, which has some relevant references.