Explosion in Southern Indianapolis...possible meteor fragment??

As for the trees still standing, I initially though about "directed charges". Like how some land mines are constructed so that the blast is directed in one direction. You could be standing next to the land mine (behind it) and not get hit at all. You'd probably be deaf but you won't have any shrapnel on you.

But then looking at the pictures again, is there enough debris on the ground/around the other houses to account for the number of houses demolished in the blast? It seems like a lot of toothpicks but much more house seems to be missing from the surrounding debris... :huh:
 
Guardian said:
BrightLight11 said:
In looking at the pictures again, and viewing comments here, it's obvious more debris is behind the destroyed houses (backyards) than in the front. I would say four times as much. If the blast occurred in the front part of one of the houses, wouldn't it only make sense that the trajectory of the debris would BE towards the rear yards? That might also explain why the trees in front seem unscathed.

Yup, except that the houses across the street, BEHIND the trees, have supposedly been totaled too.
According to this interactive map, the houses directly behind the trees (in orange) are so badly damaged they will have to be demolished

_http://www.wthitv.com/
So, according to that link, Homeland Security erected a fence around the damaged houses so people can not get close to it? Why is Homeland Security even involved? They also mentioned the NTSB - why are they involved? Sure seems like more is going on here than a gas or furnace explosion.
 
If the trees were very green and moist, the fire would have dessicated them first and then, after, they would catch on fire. But if the fire was put out before that point, you would see what you see.
 
anart said:
So, according to that link, Homeland Security erected a fence around the damaged houses so people can not get close to it? Why is Homeland Security even involved? They also mentioned the NTSB - why are they involved? Sure seems like more is going on here than a gas or furnace explosion.

Yup, and I still think it seems like a staged scene...it has a bad TV movie feel to it for me. I'm no rubble expert, but there doesn't look like enough debris to account for two big houses, plus half a house on either side (which looks like they burned)?

This is the google street view of the houses before the "explosion" Those are some pretty big houses.

http://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&q=8355+Fieldfare+Way++Indianapolis&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x886b5ccbc5962ecb:0xd51d18f7f8901393,8355+Fieldfare+Way,+Indianapolis,+IN+46237&gl=us&sa=X&ei=LbSiUODLIbOz0QHTj4HQAg&ved=0CC8Q8gEwAA
 
anart said:
Guardian said:
BrightLight11 said:
In looking at the pictures again, and viewing comments here, it's obvious more debris is behind the destroyed houses (backyards) than in the front. I would say four times as much. If the blast occurred in the front part of one of the houses, wouldn't it only make sense that the trajectory of the debris would BE towards the rear yards? That might also explain why the trees in front seem unscathed.

Yup, except that the houses across the street, BEHIND the trees, have supposedly been totaled too.
According to this interactive map, the houses directly behind the trees (in orange) are so badly damaged they will have to be demolished

_http://www.wthitv.com/
So, according to that link, Homeland Security erected a fence around the damaged houses so people can not get close to it? Why is Homeland Security even involved? They also mentioned the NTSB - why are they involved? Sure seems like more is going on here than a gas or furnace explosion.

Whenever there's a large explosion, (though I don't remember if this was true for the man hole covers blowing up) all of the federal agencies and their affiliates show up. As far as I know, it was the discovery of people having died that brought in ATF (suspicion of a meth lab), and the rest automatically show up re possible 'terrorist' action. I'm sure they can give all kinds of justifications, but the cynic in me thinks its about putting on a show to stave off budget cuts for the new year. If they are treating the case as a homicide investigation then they have a good idea of where the story is heading, osit. Whether it will ever be reported is something else.
 
Here is the latest article I could find on the NTSB being there:

http://www.indystar.com/article/20121113/NEWS/121113017/NTSB-finds-no-evidence-of-gas-line-leak-in-Richmond-Hill-blast?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|NEWS02




3:44 PM, Nov 13, 2012

3:28 PM -- Command center set up

Director of Public Safety Troy Riggs has put in place a joint emergency management team to assist with investigations and assisting of residents at Richmond Hills Subdivision.

The Joint Information/Operations Center will also be the check-in point for insurance agents and contractors to get credentials to enter the subdivision. Authorities have restricted neighborhood access to residents only.

Indianapolis Fire Department spokeswoman Rita Burris said investigations at Richmond Hill are expected to last several more weeks because of the size of the affected area.

The center is located at the Smock Golf Course Clubhouse on County Line Road, just south of Richmond Hill.

Update: NTSB finds no evidence of gas-line leak

Federal pipeline investigators say they didn’t find any evidence of a gas-line leak that would have warranted them staying longer at the scene of Saturday night’s massive explosion that detonated inside a Southeastside Indianapolis home, damaging dozens of other houses and killing two people.

Keith Holloway, a National Transportation Safety Board spokesman, deferred inquiries to local authorities about the blast’s cause. But he said, typically, the NTSB would stay and investigate a large explosion if leaks were found in any of the lines or valves leading up to a blast site.

On Monday, gas company officials said they tested the mains in the neighborhood and didn’t find any leaks. Test results were pending for the line that supplied the exploded home.

Fire officials said today they weren’t going to release any information about what they suspect caused the explosion.


Though the NTSB is known primarily for its role in investigating airplane or massive highway or railway crashes, the agency also handles pipeline-related accidents.

Holloway said pipelines are considered modes of transportation since they move fuel from place to place.

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Earlier: Power being restored in neighborhood

“We are transitioning from the response phase to the recovery phase,” Indianapolis Fire Department spokeswoman Rita Burris said this morning in a statement.

Power is being restored inside the Richmond Hill subdivision and building officials have completed inspecting homes for damage following Saturday night’s fatal blast.

Burris said the subdivision is now deemed safe enough for emergency personnel to begin escorting in the residents who were forced to flee Saturday night.

She said building inspectors and fire officials have identified which homes are safe to enter so residents can go inside and retrieve essential items, personal-care products and medications.

Meanwhile, everyone else -- from members of the media to curious onlookers -- are not being allowed inside the subdivision.

Burris said the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department continues to patrol the area, with a mind on safety on traffic control.

Burris didn’t provide any other information about what caused the blast that leveled three homes, damaged dozens more and left a local elementary school teacher and her husband dead.

“We are awaiting test results from utility sources and the fire investigations section,” Burris said.

Federal officials at the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms continue to assist local investigators.



Note: Italics added
 
Perhaps this is some sort of bleed through thing? Maybe some sort of “natural” bleed through tech similar to what took out the twin towers? It sure is getting stranger by the day.
 
neema said:
Perhaps this is some sort of bleed through thing? Maybe some sort of “natural” bleed through tech similar to what took out the twin towers? It sure is getting stranger by the day.

At this point, about everything is on the table because it is just so weird.
 
This is an interesting article. Don't know if its covered by sott or not, but had some intriguing information.

From the article:

This is not conjecture. One such potential attack may well have happened yesterday, perhaps a “test run.” The report of this wild conspiracy theory came to me from a retired Air Force pilot who flew nuclear-armed F-111’s for a living.

He indicated that the mysterious explosions that took place in Indiana yesterday do not pass the “sniff test.” The retired Air Force colonel responds below, one with top security clearances and a career of special operations behind him.

This is his assessment:

There are two people dead and they will not release their names so far.

The damage area looks like about 4-6 500 pounders, MK-82 Low Drag hard bombs or two 2,000 pounders.

The wife also said that there is a Russian neighborhood and the Arab neighborhood earlier mentioned very near to the explosion. If the Feds release a bombshell, I will email you back. (Redacted)

Has the long warned of “drone war” inside America actually begun? One legitimate expert thinks so.

http://presstv.com/detail/2012/11/13/271910/us-drone-over-iran-provocation-and-lies/

Curiouser and curiouser!

Is there really signs of mutiny within the ranks or is it “something wicked comes this way”, so some homeland preparations are in order?
 
This story gets weirder by the minute. Not a gas leak. A drone strike? The explosive sniffling dogs that were there should have picked up a scent. And if a drone strike or other aerial bombing why there?

It looks, at least to me, that there were two houses obliterated with the blast seeming to come between the two. And, yes, less debris then there should be for two large houses.

I wonder if a test for iridium would give a clue? If it was a cometary strike would not iridium be present? Or maybe not if it was just energy from an overhead cometary explosion.

My guess is the authorities know what happened here. But they don't want it publicly known. Independent observers are needed on the ground and the PTB are not allowing that.

Mac
 
Well, I've exhausted most resources as far as people to ask about it, except for a few people I know in the military, and asking them
about it is pointless. (Thinking they can say anything is wishful thinking.)

Here is the latest from this mornings search:


http://www.indystar.com/article/20121113/NEWS/121113028/Owner-home-believed-source-explosion-talks-m-shock-like-everybody-else-?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Indianapolis%20News


9:37 PM, Nov 13, 2012

Monseratte Shirley was at a casino bar in Lawrenceburg on Saturday night when she answered her cellphone.

It was her neighbor.

“I’m glad you answered the phone. I’m glad you’re alive. We were looking for your body. There’s been an explosion.”

“What do you mean there was an explosion?” Shirley said Tuesday, recounting the conversation. “I’m going home.”

“You don’t have a home. Your home is gone.”

From that moment on, things have been miserable for the 47-year-old nurse whose home is believed to have been the epicenter of Saturday’s blast on Indianapolis’ Southeastside. The explosion and subsequent fires damaged nearly 80 homes, demolishing five. Shirley’s next-door neighbors, John “Dion” Longworth, 34, and his wife, Jennifer, 36, died in the blast.

Speaking to reporters inside her attorney’s Indianapolis office, she said that since Saturday she has been interviewed by detectives, hounded by reporters and has had to get legal advice. Having earlier denied interview requests, she said Tuesday it was time to go public to dispel rumors that somehow she was responsible for the blast.

“Everybody’s pointing a finger at me like I did something wrong,” she said, each word a struggle as she sobbed. “I mean, I’m totally devastated like my neighbors are.”

The investigation into the explosion remained under way Tuesday, and an official cause has not been released. But utility officials announced they had ruled out at least one possible cause: leaking gas lines.

Citizens Energy Group spokeswoman Sarah Holsapple said Tuesday evening that tests found no evidence of natural gas leaks from any of the utility’s underground lines in the Richmond Hill subdivision, including those that provide gas to Shirley’s home. The findings were confirmed by the National Transportation Safety Board, which concluded its investigation on Tuesday. The federal agency investigates accidents with the nation’s fuel supply lines.


Now, investigators are focusing on gas appliances inside the three homes that were leveled.

“Our investigators believe natural gas is involved,” Indianapolis Division of Homeland Security Chief Gary Coons said in a statement. “They are currently in the process of recovering the appliances from destroyed homes to help determine the cause.”


Shirley said she has no idea why her house might have exploded, and she denied assertions her ex-husband, John Shirley, made Monday that the home’s furnace was malfunctioning and the likely cause of the blas
t.

She said that several weeks ago, she, her live-in boyfriend, Mark Leonard, and her 12-year-old daughter, Brooke, left their home and stayed in a hotel because the home’s heat wouldn’t turn on. Shirley said the thermostat was replaced and the heat was restored.

She said there haven’t been any other gas-related issues since she lived in the house.

“I don’t know why he made that comment,” Monseratte Shirley said.

Meanwhile, she said she hasn’t gone back to see the damage. She tried to early Sunday morning but only got as far as the elementary school where the evacuees were being sent after the blast. She has been living in a motel.

She said her neighbors tell her there is nothing to go back to see even if she wanted to go back.

All she owns now is what she was wearing Tuesday — a dark sweatshirt with a pink hood, jeans and boots — and two changes of clothes she had packed for her trip. Gone are her family photos, her daughter’s precious teddy bear.

She said the situation has “devastated” her daughter. “We can’t even sleep. … I lost it all. I don’t have nothing.”

Still, Shirley says she is both grateful that she and her daughter weren’t home when the blast occurred and sad for what happened to others.

“It’s horrible what happened, you know?” she said. “It’s not just me. It’s everybody. If I was in the house, I would be dead today.”

She said she and Leonard left Friday night to visit the Hollywood Casino in Lawrenceburg and had planned to be away until Sunday. Brooke was staying with a friend. Shirley said she had boarded her cat, Snowball, something she said she always does when she goes away because the cat has anxiety problems and gets sick when left alone.

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Shirley said she has spoken with fire investigators and has no idea what caused the explosion.

The stress from losing everything she owned and knowing the blast caused so much damage has forced her to take anti-anxiety medication, and she doesn’t sleep, she said. She has not been back to the intensive care unit at Community Hospital South where she works.

“I’m glad I’m alive and that my daughter’s alive,” she said.

But sometimes she doesn’t feel like she deserves it.

“Sometimes I wish I was there,” she said.

Shirley said she had a very close relationship with some of her neighbors, who helped her out when she was going through her divorce.

She did not know the Longworths well, she said, but they frequently said hello to each other.

Shirley said that she didn’t believe anyone intentionally caused the blast, nor does she think anyone would try to hurt her or her family.

“I’m just sad, and I mean it’s horrible for everybody in my neighborhood, all the suffering. Everybody has been good neighbors.”

Note: bold, italics added.

There is a video interview with Shirley at the bottom of this article, I have not watched it yet.
 
Hmmm, appears we're having more of these?

http://www.wthr.com/story/20092130/explosion-destroys-rural-indiana-home


It has a 'this may not be redistributed' clause at the bottom, need to follow the link.

Basically its reporting another gas explosion in a house in Albion, IN. No fire or fatalities. The home owners were outside when it happened. No details either.

Another article, discussing the history of natural gas leaks: http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/citizens-energy-gas-leak-records-show-downward-trend-over-time

Same thing, it has a 'do not redistribute' clause on the bottom.

Since the big explosion, there have been a few fires, and violence happening around Southern Indy. I don't know if that is related to what's happened or not, or if it could be the usual pattern for that area.
 
Gimpy said:
It has a 'this may not be redistributed' clause at the bottom, need to follow the link.

Just so you know, that doesn't apply to 'fair use' so you can copy and paste it here with no issues.
 
Gimpy said:
Since the big explosion, there have been a few fires, and violence happening around Southern Indy. I don't know if that is related to what's happened or not, or if it could be the usual pattern for that area.

It brings to mind this session:

10924 said:
Q: (L) Are we going to have more terrorist attacks in
the US? They already said no, but that's because we
already know it wasn't terrorists doing the WTC thing.
Are we going to have more violence in the US that
may not be as a result of terrorists but maybe
instigated by the "powers that be?"
A: Yes.
Q:(L) Can you designate any of the areas where this
violence may occur in the near future?
A: Indianapolis.
Q: (A) What is that? (L) Indianapolis is a city in
Indiana. Well that's something that has never been
mentioned. What kind of violence?
A: Hit by focusing beam of the HAARP array.
Q: (L) Well that's weird. (A) By mistake? An
accident?
A: No.
Q: (L) What will be the outcome of Indianapolis being
hit by this focusing beam of the HAARP array?
A: Mind controlled violence.
Q: (L) Can we know what form it will take?
A: Shootings.

Not sure it's related, but, if you take "hit by focusing beam" for the cause of the explosion and then that is followed by an increase in violence (shootings) it might be related - then again - it's very hard to know for sure and the focusing beam could be something entirely different.
 
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