Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris and Other Catholic Churches

This interview describes how Macron is using the ND incident for his own gain. The usual tactic of appealing to people's emotions (after a shock) to steer and control them. The ND fire seems to have come at a quite convenient time for him...
Any Frenchmen who saw that smirking smile of his when he was at ND that night should be looking at him as an insensitive clown. On a day like that there can be NO SMILES. But not with Macron.
 
I stumbled upon this from a book by the German poet Heinrich Heine, which I thought was very apropos:
WHILE I was standing before the cathedral at Amiens, with a friend who with mingled fear and pity was regarding that monument,—built with the strength of Titans and decorated with the patience of dwarfs,—he turned to me at last and inquired, “How does it happen that we do not erect such edifices in our day?” And my answer was, “My dear Alphonse, the men of that day had convictions, while we moderns have only opinions; and something more than opinions are required to build a cathedral.”
 
Here's an article of the Incident dated On 4/15/19 at 4:58 PM EDT
Secound (4/17/19) article 4-5 minute read Snip:
There was also in:
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The Palestine News Agency, cited a guard as saying Monday that "the fire broke out in the guard's room outside the roof of the Marwani Prayer Room, and the fire brigade of Jerusalem Islamic Waqf handled the matter successfully."
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Shaikh Azzam Al Khatib, director general of the Jerusalem Waqf and Al Aqsa Mosque Affairs Department, told Jordan's Al Mamlaka TV that the fire broke out in the courtyard and investigations are under way.

I tried to look up this Al-Aqsa Mosque and found something, posted by the organisation MEMRI that might be of interest: Al-Aqsa Mosque Address by Ahmad Al-Khatwani: Job of Muslims Is to Bring "Hateful Infidels" to Islam through Jihad; Rome Will Be Conquered
Sheikh Ahmad Al-Khatwani:
"The Prophet Muhammad said: 'You shall conquer Constantinople and the city of Rome.' He was asked: 'Which one will be conquered first, oh Messenger of Allah?' [Muhammad] said that it would be the city of Heraclius – in other words, Constantinople which is Istanbul. And indeed it was conquered, 700 years after the words of Muhammad.
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"Thus, these glad tidings were realized on the ground in Constantinople, and since they were realized in Constantinople, they will be realized with the conquest of Rome, Allah willing. [...]

"Is the hatred of the Crusaders towards Muslims met with Islamic hatred towards the Crusaders? There is nothing in Islamic terminology – neither in the Hadith nor in the Quran – about Muslim being hateful towards others. Muslims do not hate. Muslims strive to bring the hateful infidels out of the darkness and into the light. [Muslims] strive to bring Islam to them. All Muslims do is break down the physical obstacles that prevent them from calling on [infidels] to convert to Islam. We do not hate anyone. All we do is carry the call and the message of Islam to the world, because Islam is a religion for mankind in its entirety, and it is our duty to guide mankind to the right path through this religion. But if [the infidels] reject [Islam] because of their hatred, we have no choice but to break down these obstacles. Since these are physical obstacles, how are they supposed to be broken down? Not through Facebook and the Internet. This will be done by a huge Muslim army that will wage Jihad for the sake of Allah."
Amazing, isn't it.
You can watch the video apparently uploaded om March 31. by Memri:

About MEMRI they write on their site:
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For an overview of the reach of MEMRI's research, click here.

The above news was carried on April 14th by JNS, the Jewish News Syndicate as Address: ‘Islam is for all of humankind, Muslim army will wage jihad for Allah’

Robert Spencer posted it on April 15th at 3pm (but not known what that is in UTC) under
Muslim “researcher”: Muslims will bring Islam to “hateful infidels” by “a huge Muslim army that will wage jihad” APR 15, 2019 3:00 PM BY ROBERT SPENCER

Was the smoke from a fire in the Al Aqsa Mosque at the time of the Notre Dame fire anything more than a coincidence, or was someone or something sending smoke signals.
 
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Amazing, isn't it.

Yes, amazingly monotheistic...and simplistic too.

Session 7 November 1994:
Q: (L) Well, is there any negative karma on society, the judge, the jury, the executioner, if a criminal is brought to trial, found guilty of a heinous crime and then put to death?

A: What about war? What is better? This is open because all are murderers and suicides. It is the supreme lesson you all must learn before you can graduate to ethereal existence. Your thinking is too simplified.

Q: (L) Is there ever a situation where execution helps relieve the criminal of some of his karma that may be caused by the commission of the crime for which he is being executed?

A: No.

Q: (L) Is it better to take a criminal, such as Dahmer, and have all of society support and take care of him?

A: These are all past issues. Will be resolved soon.
 
So now, after the Benjamin Mouton interview, the governement don't want any more free speech:

_liberation.fr/checknews/2019/04/19/notre-dame-le-gouvernement-a-t-il-interdit-aux-architectes-des-monuments-historiques-de-repondre-aux_1722369

here is the interesting quote:

Parler de censure, c’est une fake news, assure Charlotte Hubert, présidente de la compagnie des ACMH. Elle confirme «avoir eu une mise au point avec le ministère sur la question de la communication mardi en fin de matinée». A la suite de quoi un mail a été envoyé vers midi pour demander aux architectes de suspendre les interviews avec la presse pendant un moment, le temps de mettre en place une chaîne d’informations sûres. «Mais ça n’a duré que quelques heures. Les choses se sont organisées depuis.»

La parole est clairement plus maîtrisée depuis. Les architectes adressent ainsi au ministère les demandes d’interviews. Un mail en ce sens a été envoyé mardi. Un de ses destinataires nous en a fait la lecture : «Le ministère exige que les demandes d’interview et éléments de langage envisagés dans la réponse aux questions doivent être annoncées et autorisés préalablement par le cabinet du ministre.» Le ministère envoie également aux architectes des points précis sur l’état de Notre-Dame et l’avancement de la sécurisation. «Le but c’est de donner des infos fiables. Nous ne sommes pas tous sur le chantier, justifie Charlotte Hubert. L’émotion nous a montré que c’était un sujet suffisamment important pour qu’on ne dise pas n’importe quoi. Celui qui saura dire combien va coûter le chantier, présentez-le moi. Mais nous n’avons absolument rien à cacher… »

«Ça partait un peu dans tous les sens. On n’est pas des professionnels de la com. Il y a pu avoir des propos un peu maladroits parfois», concède un architecte. Plusieurs interlocuteurs pointent en exemple l’interview remarquée de Benjamin Mouton à LCI. L’ex-architecte en chef de Notre-Dame avait dit sa stupéfaction devant la vitesse à laquelle l’incendie s’était propagé. «Incompréhensible. C’est du très vieux chêne. Et il a brûlé comme des allumettes», avait-il notamment déclaré, ajoutant : «La propagation est extrêmement curieuse.» Des paroles volontiers reprises par les tenants d’une piste non accidentelle, et qui circulent énormément sur le Net depuis.
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Talking about censorship is a fake news, says Charlotte Hubert, president of the ACMH company. She confirms "having had an update with the ministry on the issue of communication late Tuesday morning". As a result, a mail was sent around noon to ask the architects to suspend the press interviews for a while, the time to set up a chain of reliable information. "But it only lasted a few hours. Things have been organized since then. "

Speech is clearly more controlled since then. Architects send requests for interviews to the ministry. An email to this effect was sent Tuesday. One of its recipients read it to us: "The Department requires that the interview requests and language elements considered in the answer to the questions must be announced and authorized in advance by the Minister's Office." The Ministry also sends the architects specific points about the state of Notre-Dame and the advancement of security. "The goal is to give reliable information. We are not all on the work site, Charlotte Hubert justifies. The emotion showed us that it was a topic important enough that you must not say anything you want. Whoever will know how much will cost the site, present it to me. But we have absolutely nothing to hide ... "

"It went a little in all directions. We are not professionals of the com. There may have been a little clumsy sometimes, "concedes an architect. Several interlocutors point to Benjamin Mouton's widely noticed interview at LCI. The former chief architect of Notre Dame had expressed his amazement at the speed with which the fire had spread. "Incomprehensible. It's very old oak. And he burned like matches, "he said, adding:" The spread is extremely curious. "Words willingly taken by the proponents of a non-accidental track, and circulating a lot on the Net since.
 
goyacobol said:
"I had always wondered about the spiky little ornamentations on the spires. Now I can not help but think of antennas. It's like these attacks on religious sites are an attack on man's spirituality whether Christian, Jewish, Moslem or whatever religion."



In opinions of many people, in conferences, in books, throughout the Internet, and mainly with the recent attacks on the Catholic religion, there is a clamor of disappointment, of disenchantment: That traditional religions must disappear, as if finished one cycle, and they must be replaced by another kind of religiosity.

This the Cs. they have made it understood as a necessary step to another level of civilization such as focusing on the family environment with lucidity and then broadening the influence around it.
 
In the post, I just wrote I would like to correct the information about dates
You can watch the video apparently uploaded om March 31. by Memri:
"Apparently" yes, but I checked again and the Youtube was uploaded on April 15th, if the date is true, but uploaded by someone to the Internet on March 31, and probably not by MEMRI, which first had to translate it.

Besides a page with the transcript of the video, MEMRI also published an article about the speech on April 16th, that carries all relevant screenshots of the video: Al-Aqsa Mosque Address By Ahmad Al-Khatwani: Job Of Muslims Is To Bring 'Hateful Infidels' To Islam Through Jihad; Rome Will Be Conquered
 
In French a tweet that implies that on LCI (France), an anchor has a subconscious blip about two ignition points.

Translated from French by Microsoft
1) the tweet I would have deleted still exists:
2) I spoke of "two fireplaces" no "two fire departures"...
All this is verifiable @samuellaurent fully aware of the case. It's astounding

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Let the infighting distraction begin.


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Hmmmm?

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There's a webcam footage showing someone and a white glow on the roof at 16h05:

Video authenticated but is it only a glow of light?
 
And then there's the Israeli rabbinical response...

Further evidence showing Judaism and Zionism are one and the same.
 
It's possible. The Templars were highly symbolic for everything they did, for what they built and for what they destroyed, and the most likely thing is that they continue to rule France.
Very few believe that the order was destroyed; they were the ones to build that temple to raise the spirituality of the Catholic faithful in the dark Middle Ages.
Notre Dame Cathedral was built by the masons of the Knights Templar to honor Mary Magdalene (Divine Feminine). Standing on the Ile de la Cité on a site that was sacred to the Celts and their Goddess Culture, and where the Romans worshipped Jupiter and Mars, the Cathedral is in the center of the land that eventually became the capital of France.
The positioning of Notre Dame Cathedral is in perfect (and I mean perfect!) alignment along its nave, with the centre of the transept-crossing (where there was once a spire too) of Troyes Cathedral of Saint-Pierre and Saint-Paul, 85 miles south east of Paris. It was Troyes Cathedral where the Council of Troyes was held to confirm the rule of the Order of the Knights Templar.

Interestingly, Troyes Cathedral is also on an island of the River Seine if using the Canal du Trevois.
 
A little bit off the beaten path ...

Experts say there are similarities between the 5th century Qalb Lozeh church in northwestern Syria and Notre-Dame cathedral in Paris.

April 19, 2019 - In war-torn Syria, an ancestor of Notre-Dame still stands

In war-torn Syria, an ancestor of Notre-Dame still stands
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Qalb Lozeh (Syria) - An arched entrance flanked by two towers, elaborate carvings and a broad-aisled nave: a 5th century limestone church in northwestern Syria is the architectural forerunner of France's famed Notre-Dame cathedral.

Hemmed by the village of Qalb Lozeh (Arabic for Heart of the Almond), the cathedral which goes by the same name is widely hailed as Syria's finest example of Byzantine-era architecture.

And it is believed to have been the source of inspiration for Romanesque and Gothic cathedrals in Europe, including the Paris landmark Notre-Dame.

"It is the earliest known example of the twin tower facade flanking a highly elaborate arched entrance, the precursor to what became known as the Romanesque style," says Middle East cultural expert Diana Darke.

Romanesque architecture evolved into the Gothic style that defines Notre-Dame, she tells AFP.

The layout of the church in northwestern Syria has many similarities with Notre-Dame, she says. "The specific similarities between Notre-Dame and Qalb Lozeh are first and foremost, the twin tower design flanking the elaborate arched portal," says Darke.

Inside Qalb Lozeh, "the similarities are in the pillars dividing the church into three broad aisles -- the nave and side-aisles -- a deliberate echoing of the Holy Trinity, with three sweeping arches resting on broad capitals to spread and distribute the weight which carried the clerestory windows and the original wooden roof over the nave," she adds.

The abandoned church is within a cluster of 40 so-called "Ancient Villages of Northern Syria" which UNESCO has included on its World Heritage List since 2011.

Two years later as fighting ravaged Syria and its cultural heritage the villages were placed on UNESCO's list of endangered sites.

UNESCO says the villages including Qalb Lozeh -- home to pagan temples and ancient churches -- illustrate "the transition from the ancient pagan world of the Roman Empire to Byzantine Christianity".

Crusaders export design - Qalb Lozeh was built by Syrian Christians whose wealth was based on wine and olive oil production, says Darke.

The church was frequented by pilgrims and is thought to have been a key stop on the way to the nearby basilica of Saint Simeon the Stylite.

"Merchants, pilgrims and monks moved constantly between this area and Europe over the centuries," she says. "So it's not surprising that the design ideas found their way gradually back to Europe, even before the crusaders of the 12th century," she adds.

Syrian historian Fayez Kawsara said that crusaders brought Qalb Lozeh's architectural style to Europe in the 12th century.

"Anyone who delves deep in the study of Gothic art and especially Gothic churches will find that this architectural style travelled to Europe (from Syria)" he says, pointing to the cathedral's soaring arches, its detailed sculpting and its squared towers. "The biggest proof of this is... Notre-Dame cathedral," adds Kawsara.

Qalb Lozeh -- which is much smaller in size than the Paris landmark, lies in the jihadist-held region of Idlib.

Children used the abandoned church as a playground and graffiti has been scrawled on the outside and inside walls of the cathedral. Caretakers who guarded the church quickly left after Syria's conflict erupted in 2011.

Since then it has fallen into neglect, says villager Issam Ibrahim. "It was not being protected and as village residents, we took it upon ourselves to protect the site," he says.

Wissam Mohammad, another resident, said the church holds important significance for the local community. "It is not just a pile of old stones. It is a symbol of Syria's culture," says Mohammad.


April 19, 2019 - Robot helped save Notre-Dame Cathedral
Robot helped save Notre-Dame Cathedral
Colossus, a fire-fighting robot, taking part in a drill in 2017. It is said to have lowered temperatures in Notre-Dame's glass-filled nave and saved the lives of French firefighters in the Monday fire. PHOTO: AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

Colossus, a fire-fighting robot, taking part in a drill in 2017. It is said to have lowered temperatures in Notre-Dame's glass-filled nave and saved the lives of French firefighters in the Monday fire. PHOTO: AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

PARIS • With a wall of red-orange flames rapidly advancing and Notre-Dame's vast chambers reaching oven-like temperatures, the commander of the Paris fire brigade made a painful choice on Monday evening. He told his firefighters to retreat.

Losing a beloved medieval relic would be devastating, of course, but losing human lives in a hopeless effort to save the building would be even worse. But Commander Jean-Claude Gallet had a backup plan: Colossus, a 500kg tank-like robot with the ability to venture into danger zones where conditions would quickly kill a person. Using a motorized water cannon capable of firing 2,500 litres per minute, Colossus took aim at the stone walls of the ancient cathedral and began spraying.

In an interview with the Times of London, Commander Gallet credited the fire-fighting robot with lowering temperatures inside the glass-filled nave and saving the lives of its human counterparts as an even greater disaster loomed.

"Time was against us, the wind was against us, and we had to get the upper hand," Lieutenant-Colonel Gabriel Plus, a spokesman for the Paris fire brigade, told the paper.

"The priority we set was to save the two belfries. Imagine if the timber of the belfries had been weakened and the bells had collapsed. That was really our fear. In the beginning, it was not impossible to imagine that the cathedral structure could collapse," he said.

Shark Robotics, the French company that created the machine, says the Colossus - which is 76cm wide and 160cm long - can carry 544kg and be operated from over 300m away.

Controlled using a joystick, the machine is waterproof, fireproof and can even withstand thermal radiation, according to the company.

It can crawl up stairs. The machine's lithium ion batteries can last for up to eight hours, and the robot can be equipped with cameras, sensors and a smoke-extracting fan.

The machine's heroic role in the Notre-Dame fire may be remembered as the beginning of a new era of robotic firefighting.

Colossus is far from the only robotic firefighter available for action.

In China, video footage has emerged of firefighting robots taking part in drills alongside human firefighters.


Apr 18, 2019 - As rich lavish cash on Notre-Dame, many ask: What about the needy?
As rich lavish cash on Notre-Dame, many ask: What about the needy?
Thet Notre-Dame Cathedral from a bank of the river Seine, in the aftermath of a fire that devastated the place of worship, on April 17, 2019.

The Notre-Dame Cathedral from a bank of the river Seine, in the aftermath of a fire that devastated the place of worship, on April 17, 2019.PHOTO: AFP

The firestorm began when Mr Jean-Jacques Aillagon, a former culture minister and now adviser to Mr Pinault's father, went on Twitter after Mr Francois-Henri Pinault announced his gift on Tuesday to suggest that corporate contributions to Notre-Dame's restoration be given a 90 per cent tax deduction, rather than the 60 per cent that corporations normally get for charitable contributions. :huh:

Mr Francois-Henri Pinault, France's second-richest man, put up an eye-popping €100 million (S$152 million) to rebuild Notre-Dame, just as firefighters were dousing the last flames at the cathedral on Tuesday morning (April 16). Not to be outdone, Mr Bernard Arnault, France's wealthiest scion and a fierce rival to Mr Pinault and to his father Francois Pinault, upped the ante with a €200 million gift a few hours later.

By Wednesday, the government had welcomed some €850 million - more than US$960 million (S$1.3 billion) - offered in the patriotic name of salvaging the cultural treasure, as money from wealthy French families, French companies and international corporations poured in. But the spectacle of billionaires trying to one-up one another quickly intensified resentments over inequality that have flared during the yellow vest movement, just as President Emmanuel Macron was looking to transform the calamity into a new era of national unity. There were accusations that the wildly rich were trying to wash their reputations during a time of national tragedy.

"Can you imagine, 100 million, 200 million in one click!" said Mr Philippe Martinez, head of the militant CGT labour union. "It really shows the inequalities in this country... If they're able to give dozens of millions to rebuild Notre-Dame, they should stop telling us that there is no money to pay for social inequalities."

Mr Ollivier Pourriol, a French philosopher and novelist, summed up the sentiment more drolly. "Victor Hugo thanks all the generous donors ready to save Notre-Dame and proposes that they do the same thing with Les Miserables," he wrote on Twitter, referring to another one of Hugo's famous novels, about the lives of the poor.

Ms Manon Aubry, a senior figure in France Insoumise, the main radical left party, called the funding an "exercise in public relations".
She said the donors' list "looks like the rankings of companies and people located in tax havens". She added: "I want to tell them: Start by paying your taxes. That will add to the state culture budget."

The bickering was about as far as possible to imagine from the image of a united France the President painted when he gave a national address on Tuesday. Mr Macron said "it is up to us to transform this catastrophe" into a moment to become "better than what we are".

The firestorm began when Mr Jean-Jacques Aillagon, a former culture minister and now adviser to Mr Pinault's father, went on Twitter after Mr Francois-Henri Pinault announced his gift on Tuesday to suggest that corporate contributions to Notre-Dame's restoration be given a 90 per cent tax deduction, rather than the 60 per cent that corporations normally get for charitable contributions. "That's when the whole thing exploded," said Mr Pierre Haski, a commentator for France-Inter, the public radio station. "That produced outrage, that this act of generosity turns into fiscal advantage."

The reaction was so intense that Mr. Aillagon went on the radio on Wednesday morning to retract his suggestion. The Pinault family then announced that they would seek no tax deduction at all for the gift. "It was very revealing about the sensitivity of the whole issue," Mr Haski said, coming in the midst of a great national debate about the yellow vests and their protests against inequality and fiscal privileges.

In general, many are relieved that Notre-Dame still stands, and if there is now €1 billion to reconstruct it, without calling too deeply on an already stretched national budget, that may be enough. But taxes have been one of the pressing issues in the yellow vest movement, and the one that Mr Macron has had most trouble diffusing.

The protests that began in autumn were originally over a gasoline tax, but morphed into a larger collective outcry over declining living standards that many average French people complained were rooted in high taxes, while the upper-middle classes in the big cities, let alone the rich, were doing just fine.

The protesters have lashed out at Mr Macron for favoring the very rich by eliminating a wealth tax, among other inducements as part of his plan to stimulate the economy. While he has since announced a series of modest tax cuts to help people struggling to make ends meet, he has refused to reinstate the wealth tax, a symbolic slap in the face of the protesters that redoubled their anger.

The companies contributing are among the largest in France, and account for tens of thousands of jobs at home and abroad in the luxury, energy and construction industries. But for many, they are also symbols of an untouchable class of super-rich who keep getting richer, thanks to a host of fiscal advantages.

The companies contributing are among the largest in France, and account for tens of thousands of jobs at home and abroad in the luxury, energy and construction industries. But for many, they are also symbols of an untouchable class of super-rich who keep getting richer, thanks to a host of fiscal advantages.

These billionaires want to pass for heroes," Ms Esther Benbassa, a senator with the Green party, said on Twitter. "They would do better to renounce tax evasion and fiscal optimization."


April 19, 2019 - Scammers preying on Notre-Dame donors, France warns
Scammers preying on Notre-Dame donors, France warns

Any phone or email appeals are fake, French Heritage Foundation warns.

Fraudsters are taking advantage of the Notre-Dame fire to fool donors into handing over cash believing they are helping to rebuild the gutted Paris cathedral, officials have warned.

The French Heritage Foundation, which has so far collected more than 13 million euros ($14.5 million) from individual donors to help restore the gothic landmark, said any phone or email appeals were fake.

“A number of scams have been flagged to us both in France and abroad,” the foundation said Wednesday, insisting it issues no appeals by phone, mail or email for donations. “All of these initiatives are fraudulent.”

The foundation is accepting donations through its website (don.fondation-patrimoine.org), its Facebook page, PayPal, a Paris metro station and by SMS for those in France.

Culture Minister Franck Riester on Tuesday warned people to be vigilant of websites claiming to support the reconstruction of Notre-Dame, which suffered heavy damage in Monday’s blaze.
 
Here's an article of the Incident dated On 4/15/19 at 4:58 PM EDT
Did anyone already mention this? Simultaniously the al-aqsa mosque in jerusalem was in flames.
Now that is very interesting. I was raised Catholic and was taught Holy Monday (15th April this year) was when Jesus performed the 'Cleansing of the Temple'. The temple in question was the Temple of Jerusalem now presently the site of the Dome of Rock and Al-Aqsa Mosque.
 
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