Fire at Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris and Other Catholic Churches

#14: Religions are, for the most part, bad but religion is not.

Whatever good or bad catholicism was, another question is "will the 'religion' that replace Catholicism be better or worse than Catholicism?"

Despite all the claims to the contrary, secularism is indeed a religion, with its God (the individual), its Gospel (the declaration of human rights) and its temples (the schools).
 
Slightly off topic, but the timing of this other event which I saw on Joe's FB page is interesting. It is Pompeo bragging and laughing about lying, cheating and stealing. It happened to be at a Q&A discussion at Texas A&M University as part of the Wiley Lecture Series, in College Station, Texas on April 15, 2019.
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It started at 3.30pm local time (UTC-6 which would be 10:30pm Paris time. World Time Zone and current time around the World and standard world time zones map of the world- 12 format)

With the time difference, it would have happened just a few hours after the ND fire started.
 
"It reminds you of the Glory of the American Experiment." Well, at least saying those words he is telling the Truth.

It is Pompeo bragging and laughing about lying, cheating and stealing. It happened to be at a Q&A discussion at Texas A&M University as part of the Wiley Lecture Series, in College Station, Texas on April 15, 2019.

The bonfire example that I mentioned a few post before happens to be from Texas A&M !!!!

Texas A&M

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Spirit Ring – The ring surrounds the site of the collapse and represents the spirit that brought the students together. Twelve portals are placed around the ring, oriented toward each student's hometown. Twenty-seven stones complete the ring, representing the 27 students injured in the collapse.[37]
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Another "jihadi Palestinian cleric" whipping up Muslims in foreign lands without a squeak of due consideration for the troubles in his own backyard... No mention of Israel, yet again... Pffft! This guy is even less convincing than the other guy (Sheikh Ahmad Al-Khatwani)... Im surprised he remembered to remove his kippah for the cameras.. Lol!
I knew a school teacher of Muslim background, well educated and teaching students of the age 8-16, for about 20 years, many with Muslim background in a city in Western Europe. During the last year, for some of these kids, the way they responded to her advice made it difficult for her to envision another future for them "than becoming members of a local shooting club." Quite a number of young people exit school with poor results compared to the huge efforts trying to facilitate their learning, including, in this case, expensive computers, free tuition, books, learning materials, mentors and counselor, special education teachers, psychologists etc. Still when the kids reach 15-16, in too many instances one may well doubt that the intention of a functional level of education is reached. If even a fairly well educated person with a good heart can be an object of intentions to mislead them, what chances do people and young people in particular stand? Apart from excusing people with being mislead, there is also the reality of choices being made, conscious and subconscious choices. In some cities in western Europe, children with Muslim background have shown to be very what they say "vulnerable", if future social order is desired. Is Paris any different?

Regarding the trail of events
April 15: Notre Dame fire
News of Al-Aqsa Mosque having a fire at the same time is posted in the thread.
Question: Is simultaneity a coincidence?

Finding out from MEMRITV that preachers in Al-Aqsa mosque have plans for the future of Islam and for some countries in Europe. Not surprising in itself, as most organizations have a plan.
I find out that MEMRI was based in Washington, aligned with US and judging by the staff also Israeli interests which is not surprising either. What MEMRI published, among many many other translations on various topics, was:
March 12: Palestinian Cleric Abu Taqi Al-Din Al-Dari at Al-Aqsa Mosque: France Will Become an Islamic Country Through Jihad; Entire World Will Be Subject to Islamic Rule
March 31: Al-Aqsa Mosque Address By Ahmad Al-Khatwani: Job Of Muslims Is To Bring 'Hateful Infidels' To Islam Through Jihad; Rome Will Be Conquered
And then we came to yesterday:
April 21: Bombing of hotels and churches in Sri Lanka ( Some recall Mumbai 2008, which some say involved foreign intelligence agencies, like Mossad)
I don't know if there are more links between such recent events than meets the eye. When I go to the art museum or read a piece of fiction, maybe written long ago, then one can discuss the theme, the design, the plot, and relate it to ones own time and experience. Is it the same with some world events, were even after much research one can not establish a connection, but still the juxtaposition of seemingly unrelated events leaves one with an impression, an idea, or interpretation.

Here, just for the record, is more about MEMRI and further down additional material from various sources. It is tempting to discard their work, but radical expressions, to us, from Islamic scholars are a dozen a dime, if one listens and reads, and in total really hard to sweep under the rug.
MEMRI's work directly supports fighting the U.S. War on Terror. Highly trained staff thoroughly translate and analyze open-source materials that include television programming, radio, newspapers, textbooks, and websites.

Every single day, MEMRI receives requests from members of the U.S. government, military, and legislature. Since September 11, 2001, the demand for this material has significantly increased – providing thousands of pages of translated documents of Arab, Iranian, Urdu, Pashtu, Hindi, Dari, and Turkish print media, terrorist websites, school books, and tens of thousands of hours of translated footage from Arab and Iranian television.
MEMRI's staff includes:
About MEMRI see also the Wiki. They say for the record:
The organization's translations are regularly quoted by major international newspapers, and its work has generated strong criticism and praise. Critics have accused MEMRI of producing inaccurate, unreliable translations with undue emphasis and selectivity in translating and disseminating the most extreme views from Arabic and Persian media, which portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light, while ignoring moderate views that are often found in the same media outlets. Other critics charge that while MEMRI does sometimes translate pro-US or pro-democracy voices in the regional media, it systematically leaves out intelligent criticism of Western-style democracy, US and Israeli policy and secularism.[44][45][46][47]

MEMRI's work has been criticized on three grounds: that their work is biased; that they choose articles to translate selectively so as to give an unrepresentative view of the media they are reporting on; and that some of their translations are inaccurate.[48] MEMRI has responded to the criticism, stating that their work is not biased; that they in fact choose representative articles from the Arab media that accurately reflect the opinions expressed, and that their translations are highly accurate.[48]

Accusations of bias
Brian Whitaker, the Middle East editor for The Guardian newspaper at the time, wrote in a public email debate with Carmon in 2003, that his problem with MEMRI was that it "poses as a research institute when it's basically a propaganda operation".[48]Earlier, Whitaker had charged that MEMRI's role was to "further the political agenda of Israel." and that MEMRI's website does not mention Carmon's employment for Israeli intelligence, or Meyrav Wurmser's political stance, which he described as an "extreme brand of Zionism".[44] Carmon responded to this by stating that his employment history is not a secret and was not political, as he served under opposing administrations of the Israeli government and that perhaps the issue was that he was Israeli: "If your complaint is that I am Israeli, then please say so." Carmon also questioned Whitaker's own biases, wondering if Whitaker's is biased in favor of Arabs – as his website on the Middle East is named "Al-Bab" ("The Gateway" in Arabic) – stating: "I wonder how you would judge an editor whose website was called "Ha-Sha-ar" ("The Gateway" in Hebrew)?[48]

Norman Finkelstein has described MEMRI as "a main arm of Israeli propaganda". In 2006, Finkelstein accused MEMRI of editing a television interview he gave in Lebanon in order to falsely impute that he was a Holocaust denier. In an interview with the newspaper In Focus in 2007, he said MEMRI uses "the same sort of propaganda techniques as the Nazis" and "take things out of context in order to do personal and political harm to people they don't like".[49]

Selectivity
Several critics have accused MEMRI of selectivity. They state that MEMRI consistently picks the most extreme views for translation and dissemination, which portray the Arab and Muslim world in a negative light, while ignoring moderate views that are often found in the same media outlets.[44][45][46][47] Juan Cole, a professor of Modern Middle East History at the University of Michigan, argues MEMRI has a tendency to "cleverly cherry-pick the vast Arabic press, which serves 300 million people, for the most extreme and objectionable articles and editorials ... On more than one occasion I have seen, say, a bigoted Arabic article translated by MEMRI and when I went to the source on the web, found that it was on the same op-ed page with other, moderate articles arguing for tolerance. These latter were not translated."[50] Former head of the CIA's counterintelligence unit, Vincent Cannistraro, said that MEMRI "are selective and act as propagandists for their political point of view, which is the extreme-right of Likud. They simply don't present the whole picture."[51][52] Laila Lalami, writing in The Nation, states that MEMRI "consistently picks the most violent, hateful rubbish it can find, translates it and distributes it in email newsletters to media and members of Congress in Washington."[45] As a result, critics such as UK Labour politician Ken Livingstone state that MEMRI's analyses are distortion.[53][54]

A report by Center for American Progress, titled "Fear, Inc.: The Roots of the Islamophobia Network in America" lists MEMRI as promoting Islamophobic propaganda in the USA through supplying selective translations that are relied upon by several organisations "to make the case that Islam is inherently violent and promotes extremism."[55]

MEMRI argues that they are quoting the government-controlled press and not obscure or extremist publications, a fact their critics acknowledge, according to Marc Perelman: "When we quote Al-Ahram in Egypt, it is as if we were quoting The New York Times. We know there are people questioning our work, probably those who have difficulties seeing the truth. But no one can show anything wrong about our translations."[51]

In August 2013, the Islamic Da'wah Centre of South Australia questioned the "reliability, independence and veracity" of the Middle East Media Research Institute after it posted what the centre called a "sensational de-contextualised cut-and-paste video clip ... put together in a suggestive manner" of a sermon by the Sheikh Sharif Hussein on an American website. According to the two-minute video, which was a heavily condensed version of the Sheikh's 36-minute speech delivered in Adelaide on 22 March, Hussein called Australian and American soldiers "crusader pigs" and stated "O Allah, count the Buddhists and the Hindus one by one. O Allah, count them and kill them to the very last one." According to MEMRI's translation, he also described US President Barack Obama as an "enemy of Allah, you who kiss the shoes and feet of the Jews" and predicted that "The day will come when you are trampled upon by the pure feet of the Muslims."[56] MEMRI's rendition moved leading Liberal senator Cory Bernardi to write to the Police Commissioner charging that under Australia's anti-terrorism laws, the video clip was "hate speech", and requesting that action be taken against Hussein. The South Australian Islamic Society and the Australian Buddhist Councils Federation also condemned Hussein's speech. Widespread calls from the public for the deportation of Hussein and his family followed news reports of the video. A police spokeswoman stated "Police will examine the entire content of the sermon to gain the full context and determine whether any crime has been committed." Hussein himself declined any comment on the contents of the video. However, the Da'wah Centre charged that by omitting the context of Hussein's statements, MEMRI had distorted the actual intent of the speech. While admitting that the Sheikh was emotional and used strong words, the Centre stated that the speech was delivered in relation to rape cases in Iraq, the birth defects due to use of depleted uranium and the Burmese Buddhist massacre. This, the Centre claimed, was omitted from the edited MEMRI video.[57][58][59][60][61]

Alleged translation inaccuracy
See also: Tomorrow's Pioneers § Translation controversy
MEMRI's translations are considered "usually accurate" though occasionally disputed and highly selective in what it chooses to translate and in which context it puts things,[62] as in the case of MEMRI's translation of a 2004 Osama bin Laden video, which MEMRI defended, which it said indicated that any individual US state that did not vote for President George W. Bush"guarantees its own security," implying a threat against those states that did vote for him;[63] outside translators, and the original article that the MEMRI alert claimed to correct, indicated that Bin Laden was threatening nations, not individual US states.[63][48][54][64][65]

Following the 7 July 2005 London bombings, Al Jazeera invited Hani al-Sebai, an Islamist living in Britain, to take part in a discussion on the event. Al-Sibai is listed as a Specially Designated National by the US Treasury Department because of alleged support for al-Qaida.[66] For one segment of the discussion in regard to the victims, MEMRI provided the following translation of al-Sebai's words:

The term "civilians" does not exist in Islamic religious law. Dr Karmi is sitting here, and I am sitting here, and I'm familiar with religious law. There is no such term as "civilians" in the modern Western sense. People are either at war or not.[67]
Al-Sebai subsequently claimed that MEMRI had mistranslated his interview, and that among other errors, he had actually said:

There is no term in Islamic jurisprudence called "civilians". Dr Karmi is here sitting with us, and he's very familiar with the jurisprudence. There are fighters and non-fighters. Islam is against the killing of innocents. The innocent man cannot be killed according to Islam.[53]
By leaving out the condemnation of the "killing of innocents" entirely, Mohammed El Oifi, writing in Le Monde diplomatique, argued that this translation left the implication that civilians (the innocent) are considered a legitimate target.[53] Several British newspapers subsequently used MEMRI's translation to run headlines such as "Islamic radical has praised the suicide bomb attacks on the capital"[68] prompting al-Sebai to demand an apology and take legal action. In his view, MEMRI's translation was also "an incitement to have me arrested by the British authorities".[69]

Halim Barakat described MEMRI as "a propaganda organization dedicated to representing Arabs and Muslims as anti-Semites".[citation needed] Barakat claims an essay he wrote for the Al-Hayat Daily of London titled "The Wild Beast that Zionism Created: Self-Destruction", was mistranslated by MEMRI and retitled as "Jews Have Lost Their Humanity". Barakat further stated "Every time I wrote 'Zionism', MEMRI replaced the word by 'Jew' or 'Judaism'. They want to give the impression that I'm not criticizing Israeli policy, but that what I'm saying is anti-Semitic."[49][52][53] According to Barakat, he was subject to widespread condemnation from faculty and his office was "flooded with hatemail".[70][71] Fellow Georgetown faculty member Aviel Roshwald accused Barakat in an article he published of promoting a "demonization of Israel and of Jews".[72] Supported by Georgetown colleagues, Barakat denied the claim,[73] which Roshwald had based on MEMRI's translation of Barakat's essay.[72]

In 2007, CNN correspondent Atika Shubert and Arabic translators accused MEMRI of mistranslating portions of a Palestinian children's television program:

Media watchdog MEMRI translates one caller as saying – quote – 'We will annihilate the Jews'," said Shubert. "But, according to several Arabic speakers used by CNN, the caller actually says 'The Jews are killing us.'[74][75]
CNN's Glenn Beck later invited Yigal Carmon onto his program to comment on the alleged mistranslation. Carmon criticized the CNNs translators' understanding of Arabic, stating: "Even someone who doesn't know Arabic would listen to the tape and would hear the word 'Jews' is at the end, and also it means it is something to be done to the Jews, not by the Jews. And she [Octavia] insisted, no the word is in the beginning. I said: 'Octavia, you just don't get it. It is at the end.'" Carmon was referring to Arabic native speaker Octavia Nasr, a Greek-orthodox Christian from Lebanon, who was later fired by CNN for a tweet praising late Ayatollah Hussein Fadlallah.[76] Brian Whitaker, a Middle East editor for the British Guardian newspaper later pointed out that the word order in Arabic is not the same as in English: "the verb comes first and so a sentence in Arabic which literally says 'Are shooting at us the Jews' means 'The Jews are shooting at us.'"[62]

Naomi Sakr, a professor of Media Policy at the University of Westminster has charged that specific MEMRI mistranslations, occurring during times of international tension, have generated hostility towards Arab journalists.[77]

Brian Whitaker wrote in a blog for The Guardian newspaper that in the translation of the video, showing Farfour eliciting political comments from a young girl named Sanabel, the MEMRI transcript misrepresents the segment. Farfour asks Sanabel what she will do and, after a pause says "I'll shoot". MEMRI attributed the phrase said by Farfour, "I'll shoot", as the girl's reply while ignoring her actual reply of "I'm going to draw a picture".[78] Whitaker and others commented that a statement uttered by the same child, "We're going to [or want to] resist", had been given an unduly aggressive interpretation by MEMRI as "We want to fight". Also, where MEMRI translated the girl as saying the highly controversial remark "We will annihilate the Jews", Whitaker and others, including Arabic speakers used by CNN, insist that, based on careful listening to the low quality video clip, the girl is saying "Bitokhoona al-yahood", variously interpreted as "The Jews [will] shoot us"[78] or "The Jews are killing us."[79]

MEMRI stands by their translation of the show, saying: "Yes, we stand by the translation by the very words, by the context, by the syntax, and every measure of the translation."[79]

In response to accusations of inaccuracies and distortion, Yigal Carmon, said:

As an institute of research, we want MEMRI to present translations to people who wish to be informed on the ideas circulating in the Middle East. We aim to reflect reality. If knowledge of this reality should benefit one side or another, then so be it.[citation needed]
In an email debate with Carmon, Whitaker asked about MEMRI's November 2000 translation of an interview given by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem to Al-Ahram al-Arabi. One question asked by the interviewer was: "How do you deal with the Jews who are besieging al-Aqsa and are scattered around it?" which was translated as: "How do you feel about the Jews?" MEMRI cut out the first part of the reply and combined it with the answer to the next question, which, Whitaker claimed, made "Arabs look more anti-Semitic than they are".[citation needed] Carmon admitted this was an error in translation but defended combining the two replies, as both questions referred to the same subject. Carmon rejected other claims of distortion by Whitaker, saying: "it is perhaps reassuring that you had to go back so far to find a mistake ... You accused us of distortion by omission but when asked to provide examples of trends and views we have missed, you have failed to answer." Carmon also accused Whitaker of "using insults rather than evidence" in his criticism of MEMRI.[48]

Whitaker claims that although Memri's translations are usually accurate, they are selective and often out of context. He stated: "When errors do occur, it's difficult to attribute them to incompetence or accidental lapses ... there appears to be a political motive."[62]

Response by MEMRI
MEMRI responds to criticism by saying that the media had a tendency to whitewash statements of Arab leaders, and regularly defends its translations as being representative of actual ME viewpoints, even when the translations themselves are disputed: "MEMRI has never claimed to 'represent the view of the Arabic media', but rather to reflect, through our translations, general trends which are widespread and topical."[48]

Praise for MEMRI
John Lloyd has defended MEMRI in the New Statesman:

One beneficial side effect of the focus on the Middle East is that we now have available much more information on the discourse of the Arab world. The most powerful medium for this is (naturally) a Washington-based think-tank, the Middle East Media Research Institute (MEMRI), started in 1998 by the former Israeli intelligence officer and Arabist Yigal Carmon. MEMRI aimed to bring the previously largely enclosed and unknown Arab talk about the west to western eyes and ears: it is a sobering experience to read on the internet MEMRI's vast store of translations from many media, and to note how much of what is written is conspiratorial, vicious and unyieldingly hateful. MEMRI and Carmon have been accused of selecting the worst of a diverse media: however, the sheer range of what is available weakens that criticism, as does support for the initiative by Arab liberals. The Iraqi exile Kanan Makiya, for example, wrote in the spring 2002 issue of Dissent that Arab intellectuals have allowed a mixture of victimhood and revenge to take hold of popular culture, with few if any dissenting voices.[80]
Thomas L. Friedman, a political opinion columnist for The New York Times, has praised MEMRI, and has credited MEMRI with helping to "shine a spotlight on hate speech wherever it appears".[4] Friedman has written in The New York Times that "what I respect about Memri is that it translates not only the ugly stuff but the courageous liberal, reformist Arab commentators as well." In addition, he has cited MEMRI's translations in his op-eds.[81]

Brit Hume of Fox News said, "These people tell you what's going on in pulpits and in the state-controlled TV. If you have indoctrination, it's important to know about it."[82][verification needed]

One of MEMRI's strongest supporters is Jay Nordlinger, the managing editor of National Review, who wrote in 2002:

Wading or clicking through MEMRI's materials can be a depressing act, but it is also illusion-dispelling, and therefore constructive. This one institute is worth a hundred reality-twisting Middle Eastern Studies departments in the U.S. Furthermore, listening to Arabs—reading what they say in their newspapers, hearing what they say on television—is a way of taking them seriously: a way of not condescending to them, of admitting that they have useful things to tell us, one way or the other. Years ago, Solzhenitsyn exhorted, "Live not by lies." We might say, in these new circumstances, "Live not by ignorance about lies, either." Anyone still has the right to avert his eyes, of course. But no one can say that that is not a choice.[83]
Nordlinger also wrote:

It seemed imperative to learn more about the Arabs—to learn, for example, what they were saying to one another, in their media, in their schools, and in their mosques, The Arab world had always been dark this way; it needed to come into the light. And this is where www.memri.org proved "invaluable", as everyone has said ... In fact "invaluable" was written so often before MEMRI's name that one could have been forgiven for thinking the word was part of the name. MEMRI served as an antidote to darkness, as a way not to be ignorant.[83]
According to Nordlinger, one of MEMRI's early notable successes was its exposure of Muhammad al-Gamei'a. Al-Gamei'a had served as head of the Islamic Cultural Center of New York and as Al-Azhar University's representative to the United States and frequently participated in interreligious services. However, upon returning to Egypt in October 2001, Al-Gamei'a gave an interview to an Islamic website in which he stated, among other things, that Israel was responsible for 9/11 and that "If it became known to the American people, they would have done to the Jews what Hitler did!" and that "[the Jews] are riding on the back of the world powers."[83][84][85][86][87] MEMRI's translation of Al-Gamei'a's interview was later cited by The New York Times, which hired two independent translators to confirm the MEMRI translation.[88] Nordlinger wrote that MEMRI's work has "never been found to be anything but honest, accurate, and meticulous" and that because of MEMRI's work: "the sheikh was exposed."[83]

Moreover, the Anne Frank Foundation lists MEMRI along the Nizkor project as "websites with reliable information about Holocaust denial and Holocaust deniers".[89]
Middle East Media Research Institute - Wikipedia

And on Youtube, I found a video from Al-Jazeera English claiming to expose MEMRI.
The above original I found through a reposting which has a transcript of parts of the clip
MEMRI was co-founded in 1998 by Yigal Carmon, a former colonel in Israeli military intelligence, and another Israeli Meyrav Wurmser. ... When founded in 1998, MEMRI's staff of seven included three who had formerly served in military intelligence in the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF). Yigal Carmon — MEMRI's founder and President. Carmon is fluent in Arabic. He served as Colonel in the Military Intelligence Directorate (Israel) from 1968 to 1988.

Dr. Nimrod Raphaeli is a Senior Analyst at MEMRI... He spent most of his professional career at the World Bank, and has consulted for the International Monetary Fund.
Meyrav Wurmser (co-founding Executive Director). Wurmser was one of the authors of the "Clean Break" document which proposed reshaping Israel's "strategic environment" in the Middle East, starting with the overthrow of Saddam Hussein.
 
Well, well, well...

What is following seem true, so, we would have answers to the question: Why?

I translated via Deepl the entire following article for easier reading for everyone.

From this official French Website, named "Bourse des crédits" (, an article dated from February 15th, 2017 - 16:52 (another 15th at a time were Hollande ruled the France) about new projects of construction on the Ile de la Cité, the island where Our Lady is enthroned:

35 proposals concerning the new developments of Ile de la Cité by 2040, were presented on Tuesday 14 February by the Head of State to the Conciergerie, itself in the heart of the island. These design ideas will be visible until April 17, 2017 through the exhibition "Mission de la Cité: Le coeur du coeur".

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The new Ile de la Cité by 2040, Crédits perraultarchitecture.com

"The future of the Ile de la Cité is a major challenge, not only for Paris, but for France as a whole," said François Hollande. 35 projects unveiled yesterday by the President are aimed at "delighting the cradle of Paris", says Dominique Perrault, the renowned architect in charge of the project. All these initiatives will be visible until April 17 at the Conciergerie, but the possible realization of these developments remains uncertain, only a few months before the presidential election.

A project "very respectful of history and the environment"
The Island, which houses major institutions such as the Palace of Justice or the Police Headquarters, must become attractive again for Parisians and tourists alike. According to the director of national monuments, Philippe Bélaval, this project is "very respectful of history" but also "of the environment".

Among the 35 proposals, a glass square on the esplanade of Notre Dame Cathedral. Glass, a modern material, would make the Crypt and the archaeological foundations of the cathedral visible.

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Glass square on the esplanade Notre Dame, Credits perraultarchitecture.com

Another of these main ideas concerns the quays of the Seine. The installation of a pedestrian walkway on the quays, from the Louvre to Notre Dame, is planned, as well as the construction of two footbridges linking the island to the left and right banks.

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One of the gateways, Credits perraultarchitecture.com

The project is to "invest the Seine by installing new floating platforms on the south arm of the river, hosting a swimming pool, cafés, workshops...". A proposal that reflects the desire to bring this neighbourhood to life. In order to create "the island's balcony", as the authors of the Belaval and Perrault report call it, they propose to open a landing stage. The Notre Dame square would therefore be accessible by boat.

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The new layout of the quays, Credits perraultarchitecture.com

The rue de Lutèce, on the other hand, would be transformed into a large pedestrian promenade linking the Palais de Justice to the Hôtel-Dieu. A place designed by the director of national monuments "in the image of St Mark's Square in Venice".

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The place dof Lutèce, Credits perraultarchitecture.com

Becoming a "real neighbourhood"

The objective of this initiative is to restore the Ile de la Cité to a dynamic state. Less than 1000 people live in the "heart of the heart" of the Capital and two thirds of them spend only a few days a year there. Moreover, the ancient cradle of Paris has few shops. In short, part of the island is flooded with tourists and workers during the day, and is almost deserted at night. It is a "place that is in the heart of everyone, but has disappeared from everyone's heart, because we are just passing through", Mr. Perrault tells BFM, just like a museum district.

The departure of some institutions will free up some 100,000m2 of space, square metres of which will be used to establish housing, shops and restaurants to bring life to the heart of the Capital.

An ambitious plan for the future still uncertain
The exhibition offers an overview of what the centre of Paris could become by 2040. But the realization of this project remains uncertain as François Hollande's mandate is coming to an end. "The new manager will find our report on his desk, and it will be up to him to dispose of it" announces Philippe Bélaval, interviewed by Libération. For the moment, the Head of State has not asked for the price of the worksite or the financing plan.

Here is the Pdf file from the architect Dominique Perrault in charge of this showed project...

Here is his Wikipedia page:
Dominique Perrault (born 9 April 1953 in Clermont-Ferrand) is a French architect and urban planner. He became world known for the design of the French National Library, distinguished with the Silver medal for town planning in 1992 and the Mies van der Rohe Prize in 1996. In 2010 he was awarded the gold medal by the French Academy of Architecture for all his work. He was named as the 2015 Praemium Imperiale Laureate for Architecture.

He received his Diploma in Architecture at the Ecole Nationale Supérieure des Beaux-Arts in Paris in 1978. He also holds a postgraduate diplomas in Town Planning from the Ecole supérieure des Ponts et Chaussée and History from the Ecole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales.[1]

He currently heads Dominique Perrault Architecture (DPA) in Paris.
There is more about him and his works on this Wikipedia page, for curious ones.

That's why I put in bold under each pictures above the name of this architect... And guess what ?

From Le Figaro published on 17/04/2019 à 17:06:
Rebuilding Notre-Dame in five years is possible according to architects Wilmotte and Perrault

And there is more here, where I found the links above (for clarity, Anne Hidalgo is the actual Major of Paris):

Hidalgo sold the square in front of Notre Dame to Auchan and Unibail.

Meetings were organized, models built, and the work was to be completed by 2024, the date of the Olympic Games.
In essence, they cannot stand the fact that the 14 million tourists travel only to visit Notre Dame, without the commercial benefits.

So they want to replace Notre Dame's square by not caring about the religious aspect with a glass plate with shops in the basement (forum style of the halls) and landing stages from the Seine.

It is a disgusting project fought by local residents and religious.

Our lady's fire will make it possible to trigger by necessity the work of the complex which had initially been planned for a period of 5 years (priority for the games!) and perhaps to allocate part of the funds given to all the work on the island of the city; we can imagine that the billionaire patrons were already the financiers of this grotesque housing project.
This explains why they organized a quick meeting of architects, probably using plans already pre-established before the disaster.

So, some people know and share what? Nothing? :shock: :headbash:
 
Of course, my previous comment would be the physical "why", the Cui Bono answer aka Money, and does not at all excludes the spiritual one...
It's not a "or", it's a "and".

As we know well here on the forum, PTB can use many ways to get to its own agenda, and here, it would be a win-win: Destroy the Catholic religion (ongoing and accelerating in France) and build a temple to the supreme glory of Mammon and switching positive energy (for what was left in the Ile de la Cité) to negative ones. Horrific and very disturbing.

I still have a Macron-ite (and I will have for a while I guess) but I feel some kind of little relief with this all new highlight in this tragedy: Understanding the big possible almost for sure "Why?"...
 
And from the Website I used previously, with people thinking by themselves and trying to connect the dots (take a look at all the links they have at the end of the article and before comments), they also wrote:

So our politicians do not have a builder's soul and are not spiritual beings but puppets of financial lobbies.

Money and games have priority over the religious and spiritual soul of the place, the end justifying the means!

Indeed!!

We can now understand why the elected representatives laughed and shed crocodile tears at the announcement of the fire at Notre Dame, which will allow the green light to be given for the work on the island of the city to be carried out before the Olympic Games!

Hereafter a comment from a priest, on the same Website:

Comment by Father Pierre Vivarès:

The mayor of Paris "sold" the square in front of Notre Dame to Auchan and Unibail to create the two islands project, after the departure of the Palais de justice, the Quai des Orfèvres and the impoverishment of the Hôtel Dieu.

The group of architects of the first 4 districts of Paris has several times alerted the public authorities on this project.
A hole in the square on three levels, such as Les Halles, barges for nightclubs on the Seine, and other achievements in the service of the Homo Festivus hidalgien are planned.

The island of the city in the 13th century was the seat of three founding signs: the king, who had his palace next to the Holy Chapel, the Church, with the cathedral, and the Hôtel Dieu so that Christian charity, unconditional, would be at the heart of the powers.

The palace has disappeared, the cathedral is damaged, the Hôtel Dieu is no more than a shadow of itself.

It is thus the heart of France that has emptied itself and been replaced by a tourist, festive and economic Disneyland.

The President of the Republic explains to us with a tremolo in his voice the greatness of this France of builders, but these builders had a project: they were not building to build.

They raised places in the service of the common good, spirituality and national unity.

This is France, not the genius of the builders for a world tourist place.

Wanting to rebuild in five years shows the heart of presidential philosophy and the city hall: Paris must be at the service of celebration, games, tourism...

The absence of time is a sign of the absence of spiritual maturity and a project that goes beyond electoral times and opportunistic appointments, generations and circumstances.

We do not build a nation on these festive values, which are certainly useful, but light.

It is based on what educates, what raises, what makes people grow.

I am afraid that Notre-Dame in this haste will once again be nationalized for the service of a poor communal and national political ideology and not for the service of beauty, good and true, for which it was built 850 years ago.


If Notre-Dame is a little bit the soul of France it is because she is the sign of what is eternal in man.

The town hall must start from scratch this project for the Ile de la Cité and propose what makes the soul of France and that the whole world waits, looks and copies.

Father Pierre Vivarès

Father Pierre Vivarès is the priest of Saint Paul Saint Louis, in the "Marais" neighbourhood, author of Notre église est celle du bout de la rue (Our church is the one at the end of the street) edited by Presses de la Renaissance - 2019, and had a talk on Notre-Dame radio on February 20th 2019, for those who understand French.
I tried to embed it here, but could not. :huh:
 
You are so right, MK Scarlett, it is a shame. These people have no idea what it is a Cathedral, what it means, what was the construction of a cathedrale. Their god is money and I will not say who. They are very mad people, without conscience. They have no respect for anything, no respect for the stones, that have a story to tell to humanity, no respect for humans, for the spirit of humans, for places that are there to nourrish the spirit. Thei god, I repeat, is money, money, money. They are so nauseabundus.
 
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But, that's not the point. The point I was trying to make, is we ourselves should always strive to maintain a gold standard no matter what.
To purport something as authentic after already determining the unlikeliness of authenticity without adding a disclaimer to that effect, is to perpetuate a lie - even if after the fact.
By doing so is to become part of the lie and to become part of the very problem we are attempting to mitigate. Things can and always can be mitigated no matter how bad things get, and that's what we should aim for, otherwise what are we doing here? That is my point, but I wasn't clear or direct enough before.

(I've Liked your post anyway, though mainly because of the session excerpt)

BlackCartouche,

I agree with you on maintaining some kind of "gold standard" and I didn't mean to take away from your efforts to encourage that. And I think your approach at "doing something rather than nothing" has been something that I started with and continue to encourage myself with.

I suppose I see the scope of what we are facing as something to also remember and realize we all face this together. Knowing it is such a huge stage we act upon it is only logical I think that we at some point begin to realize that it will take a team effort to see significant change.

When we fail to reach even our own "gold standard" we face discouragement and may need "time" to recover. If there are more of us in the fight we might have a much better chance to make some positive changes for the world around us.

Even as I write this I wonder if I don't sound like I am preaching to the choir. You know, I think many/most of us here really do care about wanting to make a difference that will give meaning to our lives and the lives of others.

The Twitter idea you mentioned is something many of us try to do with other current event situations to at least give voice to what we see as truth vs lies. You have good ideas I just wanted you to realize some of these we are already doing in other parts of the forum so your efforts are supported already in some cases.

Thanks for catching the subtle third person "the" in the Muslim clerics' jihadist rant. Monotheistic world domination is a fine example of "powder keg" material I think.
 
Well, well, well...
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From this official French Website, named "Bourse des crédits" (, an article dated from February 15th, 2017 - 16:52 (another 15th at a time were Hollande ruled the France) about new projects of construction on the Ile de la Cité, the island where Our Lady is enthroned:
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I agree with the gentleman in white on the bridge walking to the right (edge).
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The idea is crazy but when motivated by money quite normal.
Moreover, the ancient cradle of Paris has few shops. In short, part of the island is flooded with tourists and workers during the day, and is almost deserted at night.

According to The Overlords, having quiet spots in the city is unhealthy !!!!
 
Despite all the claims to the contrary, secularism is indeed a religion, with its God (the individual), its Gospel (the declaration of human rights) and its temples (the schools).

And instead of the Body of Christ in the form a bread-like wafer, their host is a GMO glyphosate-soaked Big Mac.

And Diet Mountain Dew instead of wine - gotta get the aspartame in there!
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Here is how you can do it FAST !!!


The person says this was "painted on the beam". So I can just imagine a firebug coming to ND on say 3-4 nights. Doing a bit of "painting". Then on the designated day his friend comes. Walks around the scaffolding and does his magic trick of lighting the fire. Whatever was prepared to do this ignition will never be found as the huge fire will consume it. All that is left is ashes or perhaps nothing (ashes fly off with the flames).

 
A cemetary has been desecrated in the Gard region.


"Crosses were knocked down and broken on about sixty graves in the cemetery of Saint-Julien-de-Cassagnas, during the night from Sunday to Monday.
Broken and knocked down crosses on about sixty graves were discovered Monday morning in a cemetery in Gard, Saint-Julien-de-Cassagnas. These desecrations were observed early in the morning by a person who came to the scene, said the sub-prefect of Alès, Jean Rampon, confirming an initial report from the daily Midi Libre.

Open investigation
However, no damage was done to the tombs themselves. According to the sub-prefect, these facts were probably committed during the night from Sunday to Monday. An investigation was opened and entrusted to the gendarmerie."

DeepL translation
 
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