Free energy and HAARP technology
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Heavy duty aluminum foil is typically 1mil (1/1000 inch). Printer paper is about 4mil. You can get micrometers cheaply and go looking for suitable materials in your house. I haven't found anything thinner than aluminum foil. Maybe stretched saran wrap could be very thin?
To say that the output of the Keshe reactor can't be measured because it is created at the point of use doesn't make any sense. How then did they measure the voltage on the coke bottle reactors? The energy dissipated in the multimeter was a point of use wasn't it? Why wouldn't the same apply to a large reactor? And even if the energy spun a motor without adding electricity to the wires, the motor itself would generate electricity on the wires through it's back-EMF.
To say that the output of the Keshe reactor can't be measured because it is created at the point of use doesn't make any sense. How then did they measure the voltage on the coke bottle reactors? The energy dissipated in the multimeter was a point of use wasn't it? Why wouldn't the same apply to a large reactor? And even if the energy spun a motor without adding electricity to the wires, the motor itself would generate electricity on the wires through it's back-EMF.
Richs
The Cosmic Force
If one thinks in the way that we have been taught with matter based physics it does not make any sense and looks impossible. The problem is that we have only been taught a part of how things actually are in existence. The Keshe technology is being taught freely by Mr. Keshe to allow us to fully understand how things actually work.monotonic said:
This technology does not invalidate any of the physics we are aware of to this point but add to it the missing pieces.
The reason the voltage and current can not be presently measured is that it consists of a combined magnetical and gravitational field flow, and there is not at this time any apparatus which can measure such a thing. Perhaps in the future such instrumentation will be designed, but for now we are only able to see the results of this flow of fields.
To answer your main question, yes the voltage and current can be measured at the device using it or a total amount being used in the house or being sent to the mains, but there is no way to specify how much energy the device can produce, because if it is not attached to any load the output will essentially show that it is not producing any significant output or maybe the voltage and current will read zero or some arbitrary number.
This is definitely not an easy subject because it invalidates much of what we thought was the way things operated. Mr. Keshe states that he has had many scientists, engineers, physicists, etc. tell him that they would have to 'unlearn' much of what they knew in order to understand and be able to work with this new technology.
If you or anyone here wants to learn more about these new devices and the technology behind them they can listen to and watch the recorded teaching sessions at:
http://livestream.com/accounts/9943777/ksworkshops
These are very long and average about 3 hours each. The sessions are very informal as this is the way Mr. Keshe likes to teach it seems. You might want to watch the latest one as he clarifies some things and describes what is going to be released in the near future when he and the other knowledge seekers return from their 6 week vacation.
Just another note here: the Keshe technology has already been used at Fukushima to clean up much of the radiation there.
Inquorate
Jedi Master
Turns out that interesting things happen to mass under the influence of a strong magnetic field, with regard to electron spin, energy levels in the khz range of modulation. Given a velocity of 1.0942mhz we are talking milimeters in order to get spatial resonance.
very interesting
very interesting
Richs
The Cosmic Force
Inquorate said:
Like you, I have spent years searching for some sort of viable and affordable technology which might free us from the domination of the bankers, oil, gas and electricity monopolies to mostly no avail. Even though some things looked promising, they either never came to market or were so complicated and expensive that they were not a real solution for the problem.
Rather than make a snap judgment regarding the Keshe technology it may be worth your time to do some investigating of your own. A good place to start would be by watching the 72nd. Teaching Workshop which can be found at:
_http://www.keshefoundation.org/broadcast/
It is about 3 hours long, but if you or anyone does not investigate this on their own I don't see how there can be an objective view of the technology.
Richs
The Cosmic Force
I'm not sure why you are here at this Forum, but for most of us we try to learn and grow ourselves to the extent possible and to "network", which means we do our best to share what we know with the others here.asino said:
If you are going to make such statements without any knowledge of the technology it is nothing but uninformed 'opinion', and we are aware here that opinions are for the most part worthless because they are not based upon facts and data. If you do not want to spend any time or effort to research this technology, that is up to you. Perhaps you have better things to do.
We also try out best to keep the signal-to-noise ratio at a high level of signal with as little noise as possible.
"A sufficiently advanced technology will appear to us as magic" - Arthur C. Clark
And, as the C's tell us repeatedly: "Knowledge Protects, Ignorance Endangers!"
Richard S said:
So then let me explain a bit. I have been working as an EE, serial entrepreneur, CTO for 40 years. Still, I am curious and open to new challenges, after having been consistently creating and producing solutions which nobody in the trade thought possible.
As most forum members I guess, I am here to learn and network and to contribute my (by no means unlimited) knowledge and experience so that we can collectively advance.
Similar to inquorate, the "free energy" space has always attracted me, and I spent a great deal researching, in the process learning to recognize the good, the well-intentioned, the illusory and the slimy scam.
The ability to separate wheat from chaff as quickly as possible is part of my baggage, always subject to revisions of course, but undeniably valuable in that it protects, as in "knowledge protects", if only in that it saves me time.
An early encounter with a free energy chaser was when I bought John (?) Newman's book in '78 or '79, paying over 100$ for it. After reading it, I realized that I had been had.
Currently, among others I follow the adventures of Andrea Rossi and his e-cat, which IMO looks promising (although it's not strictly "free energy" or ZPE).
But let's have a closer look at the passage that made my BS meter explode: The ability of the contraption to "automatically sense the needs of the consumer device in terms of DC, AC, Voltage, frequency and current" (paraphrased).
Notice how to an uninformed person, this statement may very well seem acceptable: from a human point of view, there is nothing wrong with a mechanism sensing the needs of another, automatically adjusting the supply of energy with the aim to satisfy those needs. It's called empathy.
After all, that's how most of us with an STO slant behave with fellow humans. So, why shouldn't a machine be able to do that?
Well, because it can't. There is no frikking way a contraption producing electricity can, over two or three supply wires, sense a consumer devices's needs in terms of voltage, current and frequency. Let alone "without the aid of any electronics or inverters...".
In a nutshell, the "inventor" exploits a natural, positive human characteristic (empathy) and its projection on a piece of hardware, to convince the gullible. And only the gullible, i.e. the unprotected ignorant, can accept such BS.
After this, you will understand that I am not willing to spend more time (let alone on a three-hour video!) to "investigate" the rest of the claims such as the production of 5 times as much energy fed back into the grid, of course automatically...
Yes, knowledge protects: I don't consider myself close-minded or dogmatic, but I feel rather protected from "this keshe guy", thanks.
.A
Richs
The Cosmic Force
Thanks for your response asino. I well understand your reluctance, or anyone else, to spend time researching something which seems so implausible.
I too hoped Rossi's technology would at some point become available to the public, but who knows when or if that will ever happen. I have been searching as hard as you all have been for something useful in this area.
I do have hope that at some point we will all be able to get off the grid and supply energy for ourselves. We all need that as soon as possible. Maybe one of these technologies will arrive soon.
I too hoped Rossi's technology would at some point become available to the public, but who knows when or if that will ever happen. I have been searching as hard as you all have been for something useful in this area.
I do have hope that at some point we will all be able to get off the grid and supply energy for ourselves. We all need that as soon as possible. Maybe one of these technologies will arrive soon.
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