French Presidential Elections 2017: Fillon vs Macron vs Le Pen

[Joe]

I know a few good, well-meaning people in France with whom I spoke a bit about the elections, and they dread the possibility of a Le Pen win, or of any candidate that seems to like Putin. So yes, it is like everywhere, a lot of well-meaning and good hearted people with huge blind spots regarding history and politics are going to be voting this Sunday.

But in the end, what difference would it make, even if by some chance Le Pen or even Asselineau wins? The Greeks voted Syriza in the elections and No in the referendum, and what happened? Or what about the people voting for Trump in the US? Deep Sate(s) run deep everywhere, and I think they have the power and means to make whoever is elected start singing to their tune, whoever that person/party is and what their true intentions/convinctions are.

I recently "came out" as a "Le Pen supporter" on Press TV. I think I mentioned there the reason why. It's not that I'm expecting Le Pen to put all of France to rights, but rather that with her as President there is a greater chance that the 'deep state' in France would be exposed in the same way as has happened under Trump. I think that's about the best we can hope for, an 'unveiling' of sorts, because the worst possible scenario (I think) is that the status quo of an ignorant uninformed population and corrupt lying yet polished politicians and their complicit media, would continue.

 

[luc]

I know a few good, well-meaning people in France with whom I spoke a bit about the elections, and they dread the possibility of a Le Pen win, or of any candidate that seems to like Putin. So yes, it is like everywhere, a lot of well-meaning and good hearted people with huge blind spots regarding history and politics are going to be voting this Sunday.

FWIW, I spoke to two guys (seperately) in a French village last week, and they both were like "I won't vote for any of them, they're all a bunch of criminals!" One of them was more of a right-wing guy and the other was more left-leaning.

You cannot generalize such encounters of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if many people on the French countryside had that attitude; that or they vote for LePen. Can't blame them really, given the state of affairs in the French villages that I know. Be that as it may, the countryside doesn't really decide the elections...

 

[trytofly]

I recently "came out" as a "Le Pen supporter" on Press TV. I think I mentioned there the reason why. It's not that I'm expecting Le Pen to put all of France to rights, but rather that with her as President there is a greater chance that the 'deep state' in France would be exposed in the same way as has happened under Trump. I think that's about the best we can hope for, an 'unveiling' of sorts, because the worst possible scenario (I think) is that the status quo of an ignorant uninformed population and corrupt lying yet polished politicians and their complicit media, would continue.

I do not share your opinion.
How would Le Pen expose the deep state?
She makes the French believe that it is able to renegotiate the European treaties, knowing full well that it is impossible.
Only Asselineau clearly and concretely explains the causes, consequences and solutions of current problems in France. These meetings and conferences, very long because detailed, are a wealth of information available to voters. What is already awakening the consciences of many people during these elections.
Personally, I can trust only the one who only tells the truth without detours among all the candidates. He regularly denounces the treason of Tsipras. He makes no vague imprecise promises. He pledged to take immediate legal steps to leave the European Union, the euro and NATO as soon as he was elected. It also promises an immediate withdrawal of French troops engaged in illegal wars.
For the time being, of all the candidates, he is the one has most exposed in part this deep state. It is also criticized by the media for having linked the CIA with the European construction, and denouncing Washington's hold on UE and on NATO.
It may seem subjective, but I feel he is honest, unlike the others.
Without Frexit, the deep state will remain well sheltered.

 

[Joe]

I recently "came out" as a "Le Pen supporter" on Press TV. I think I mentioned there the reason why. It's not that I'm expecting Le Pen to put all of France to rights, but rather that with her as President there is a greater chance that the 'deep state' in France would be exposed in the same way as has happened under Trump. I think that's about the best we can hope for, an 'unveiling' of sorts, because the worst possible scenario (I think) is that the status quo of an ignorant uninformed population and corrupt lying yet polished politicians and their complicit media, would continue.

I do not share your opinion.
How would Le Pen expose the deep state?
She makes the French believe that it is able to renegotiate the European treaties, knowing full well that it is impossible.
Only Asselineau clearly and concretely explains the causes, consequences and solutions of current problems in France. These meetings and conferences, very long because detailed, are a wealth of information available to voters. What is already awakening the consciences of many people during these elections.
Personally, I can trust only the one who only tells the truth without detours among all the candidates. He regularly denounces the treason of Tsipras. He makes no vague imprecise promises. He pledged to take immediate legal steps to leave the European Union, the euro and NATO as soon as he was elected. It also promises an immediate withdrawal of French troops engaged in illegal wars.
For the time being, of all the candidates, he is the one has most exposed in part this deep state. It is also criticized by the media for having linked the CIA with the European construction, and denouncing Washington's hold on UE and on NATO.
It may seem subjective, but I feel he is honest, unlike the others.
Without Frexit, the deep state will remain well sheltered.

The problem, as I see it, is that people like Asselineau have little if any direct experience of inner workings of high French politics or the situation that would confront them if they were to become President. If he were to be elected President, he would likely be shocked at what he found out once in the Elysee. There is a "deep state" in France, but it remains hidden from public view. While people like Asselineau tell the truth about the state of affairs, they are seen as 'conspiracy theorists' by the majority. That kind of truth telling is not, apparently, the way to expose the hidden powers to the public. The way that seems to work better is seen in the example of Trump in his first few months in office. I'm thinking that if Le Pen were elected, she too would be a sort of "immovable object" given that she has much experience of the inner workings of French politics and the powers at work, and would therefore stand a better chance of lasting longer. In a confrontation between Le Pen with those forces, a lot may be exposed to public view.

 

[Pierre]

From what I see several candidates propose a rather similar 'anti-establishment' political program based on nationalism, family and social justice. To this shared vision they add their own focus: Asselineau - anti-Europe, Cheminade - anti international finance, Lassalle - infrastructure projects, Le Pen - anti communautarism, Dupont Aignan - actually very similar to Le Pen program.

Now, all those candidates, if they are elected and apply their promised 'anti-establishment' project would have to face the deep state. From this perspective, I join Joe's analysis: Le Pen is the most likely to a/ be elected, b/ sustain the intense pressure exerted by the deep state.

We have to remember that , because of the demonization of the FN (Front National) that peaked in the 80's and 90's, Marine Le Pen, daughter of the then leader of the FN, is born in an hostile environment and has spent 48 years (and 20 years in elected position) facing a strong animosity from the vast majority of the nation (media, politicians, locals, teachers, peers, etc...)

This capacity to face pressure is essential and often underestimated. The current situation in the US illustrates this point, although we only see a fraction of the fight that is going on on the other side of the pond. When you think about it, beyond all the fluff and the tweets, most of Trump's tangible decisions since his election relate to the composition of his team, a lot of firing, recruiting, re-organizing have happened. This suggests to me that intense struggles are going on and that, maybe, Trump has not given up yet.

 

[Lys]

From what I see several candidates propose a rather similar 'anti-establishment' political program based on nationalism, family and social justice. To this shared vision they add their own focus: Asselineau - anti-Europe, Cheminade - anti international finance, Lassalle - infrastructure projects, Le Pen - anti communautarism, Dupont Aignan - actually very similar to Le Pen program.

Now, all those candidates, if they are elected and apply their promised 'anti-establishment' project would have to face the deep state. From this perspective, I join Joe's analysis: Le Pen is the most likely to a/ be elected, b/ sustain the intense pressure exerted by the deep state.

We have to remember that , because of the demonization of the FN (Front National) that peaked in the 80's and 90's, Marine Le Pen, daughter of the then leader of the FN, is born in an hostile environment and has spent 48 years (and 20 years in elected position) facing a strong animosity from the vast majority of the nation (media, politicians, locals, teachers, peers, etc...)

This capacity to face pressure is essential and often underestimated. The current situation in the US illustrates this point, although we only see a fraction of the fight that is going on on the other side of the pond. When you think about it, beyond all the fluff and the tweets, most of Trump's tangible decisions since his election relate to the composition of his team, a lot of firing, recruiting, re-organizing have happened. This suggests to me that intense struggles are going on and that, maybe, Trump has not given up yet.

I agree with you, most of the candidates propose quite similar programs but I am not really sure if Marine Le Pen is as strong as you say.
Why did she refuse to debate with Asselineau? To say the truth, all of the "big fives" refused it but I think that Marine has learned pretty early to talk with journalists but as soon as she is confronted with other candidates, she doesn't have much arguments so she sneaks off.

She has an interesting program but I don't trust her, she is not consistent in her words and she is not clear about the Frexit. And I am not sure if she really want to sustain the pressure of the deep state.

And another point is that if Marine reach the presidency, there is going to be some big riots on the street, particularly on underprivileged areas. In my opinion, FN is not ready to take the presidency, Marine has to adapt her speech because she can't get the majority with such racist label. People are going to vote against her on the second tour.

My vote for the first tour is going for Asselineau and I still don't know if I am going to vote for the second one if he does not get there. But actually if Le Pen is getting on second tour I would rather vote for her than Fillon or worse Macron!

 

[trytofly]

In fact, I feel that the FN plays a very useful role for the PTB.
The demonization of the party ultimately serve only to prevent it from definitively win.

(The media clearly put forward Macron against Le Pen in the second round. They really think that Macron would win without problems. Which I am
not so sure about. They have already made this in the time of Chirac, but the times have changed.)

If that is the case, Marine has no merit to resist the pressure, she plays her role in full knowledge of the facts, and will change absolutely nothing. There will be no confrontation because she is part of the system.

It is only my resentment, and I am perhaps mistaken. But I have never think the Le Pen clan as a real opposition to the left or the right. Nor the Freemason Mélenchon. I consider them as fakes that will apply the same policy without blinking.

 

[Adaryn]

The problem, as I see it, is that people like Asselineau have little if any direct experience of inner workings of high French politics or the situation that would confront them if they were to become President. If he were to be elected President, he would likely be shocked at what he found out once in the Elysee.

I'm not so sure about that. Asselineau, through the various positions he occupied on the French political scene, has some experience of the workings of French politics. (see his Wikipedia page: _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Asselineau) I'm pretty sure he's aware of how deep the rabbit hole goes. His articles and videos show that he knows about the "deep state" (he's even used the expression in one of his articles on his website). In terms of historical and economics knowledge and competency, he beats all the other candidates. Whether he would have the shoulders to withstand the pressure of the "deep state" is another question. But I'm not sure Le Pen would either. She's not consistant enough; she's not her father, and she's certainly no Putin.

 

[Esote]

Let me tell you what I think :
Le Pen has very little chance to be elected. Anyone in front of her will most probably be the next President. Which is almost a relief, given her stinking background and despite the supposed fact that her election could somehow unveil the "Deep State", a very doubtful statement IMO.
Asselineau does have direct experience of inner workings of high French politics, since he has been working at the highest levels of the French governments for decades. Anyway he wont be much of a threat, not very many people will give him their voice.
And don't forget that Mélenchon is not a leader on his own, there is a large collective team behind his political movement...
Aho

 

[Joe]

Let me tell you what I think :
Le Pen has very little chance to be elected. Anyone in front of her will most probably be the next President. Which is almost a relief, given her stinking background and despite the supposed fact that her election could somehow unveil the "Deep State", a very doubtful statement IMO.
Asselineau does have direct experience of inner workings of high French politics, since he has been working at the highest levels of the French governments for decades. Anyway he wont be much of a threat, not very many people will give him their voice.
And don't forget that Mélenchon is not a leader on his own, there is a large collective team behind his political movement...
Aho

I tend to agree with you in general. The conclusion therefore is that the French people will be getting more of the comfortable lies sold by polished politicians, while those who really run the show plot the demise of France, as they appear to have been doing since Sarkozy. I hope everyone is prepared for it, because it has been a pretty ugly picture so far.

 

[MK Scarlett]

The problem, as I see it, is that people like Asselineau have little if any direct experience of inner workings of high French politics or the situation that would confront them if they were to become President. If he were to be elected President, he would likely be shocked at what he found out once in the Elysee.

I'm not so sure about that. Asselineau, through the various positions he occupied on the French political scene, has some experience of the workings of French politics. (see his Wikipedia page: _https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/François_Asselineau) I'm pretty sure he's aware of how deep the rabbit hole goes. His articles and videos show that he knows about the "deep state" (he's even used the expression in one of his articles on his website). In terms of historical and economics knowledge and competency, he beats all the other candidates. Whether he would have the shoulders to withstand the pressure of the "deep state" is another question. But I'm not sure Le Pen would either. She's not consistant enough; she's not her father, and she's certainly no Putin.

I agree with Adaryn... He is almost the only one (because of Fillon who was first Ministry) (and maybe the only one at all) who travelled with Mitterand and Chirac in others countries and met many other Chief of States around the World. To me, he has the stature to make what has to be done, he has experiment and understanding on how things work in our World.

He knows very well History (more than a hobby to him), he went to ENA because he wanted to be ambassador in Japan. Instead of becoming ambassador (or to get the experiment to become one), he became

passionate about history, foreign civilizations and geopolitics, he was delegate general to the economic intelligence,
Before being dismissed for having anticipated - albeit rightly - the global financial crisis and the permanent crisis of the euro. All those who have worked with him emphasize his excellent knowledge of the files, the depth of his analyzes and its unusual ability to anticipate events accurately.

François ASSELINEAU has a blank criminal record, never had to deal with the justice and has no bank account abroad or tax problems. Graduate of HEC, former student of the ENA, a high-ranking civil servant with remarkable professional experience in at the highest level of the State, he has worked, inter alia, in the preparation of interviews and negotiations, with some of the greatest leaders of the planet of the last thirty years: from Nelson MANDELA to the emperor of Japan, Pope John Paul II, the King of Saudi Arabia and many heads of state and government: Argentina, Brazil, Chile, People's Republic of China, South Korea, Kazakhstan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Portugal, Tunisia, etc.
_https://www.upr.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Profession-de-foi-Asselineau.pdf

I spent a lot of time these last two months to watch Asselineau videos/conferences and MSM interview (all candidates) these last three weeks. I also read several articles on MSM about Asselineau, and the most important: read comments below the article. Even on MSM like Le Figaro (Dassault) I have seen some 100% comments in favor of Asselineau. It does not tell everything but it is a marker.

Marine Le Pen is weak when it's about specifying her meaning about technics on some subject as economy. She has "great" sentences (sometimes along the lines of Asselineau's ones), but once it is about technic about these subjects, she usually avoids answers: or she is stupid (especially comparing to Asselineau who is not at all) or she manipulates electorates. I do not trust her either. In a book I recently read, we learn that FN was created by François Mitterand and Jacques Attali for counter-power.

Asselineau said several times that Le Pen's team people were present to his conferences and later meetings, making notes about what he was saying (and none of them have ever complain or contradict about that), and that's why I could see programs of candidate like Mélenchon or Le Pen change between the beginning and the last days. They adapt their program with what Asselineau explains in his videos.

It is very true that other candidates do not want to debate with him. Why? Because there is nothing they can say against what Asselineau says. They have no arguments and they do not argue with him, it's all about difference between them and Asselineau who talks the Truth with Facts. That's why the third debate was deleted. Mélenchon (after the second debat - with all candidates), said he would not go for a third debat. And then, debate was completely cancelled by France2 which is a public network. Mélenchon as Hollande is a free-mason. We can figure out what happened then... For the record, during this second debate I talked about above, Asselineau told everyone what was the bank debt for election of each candidate: Mélenchon has 8 millions of bank debt, and believe, I've seen it, he did not at all like that and said nothing. I do think thjis is why he decided to no longer debate with Asselineau in anyway.

France2 finally organized a third "debat" without debat because all candidates were talking one after the other without ever being in confrontation.

Edit: Added words fo meaning clarity

To conclude, I said already that I became adherent to UPR (Asselineau), and I did mostly to support and thank his work of education of people for ten years. What he has done during these 10 last years in that matter is literally public utility, just as Cass/Sott is to me.

In this video, he explains what is the meaning of the word "intelligence": "inter-legere" from Latin. Meaning: connecting the dots. ;)

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The whole is worth watching, and if you enjoy/learn something in the first 20 minutes, you will want see the rest.

 

[Ellipse]

Results at 21h :

Emmanuel Macron : 23%

Marine Le Pen : 22%

François Fillon : 19,5%

Jean-Luc Mélenchon : 19%

Benoît Hamon : 6,8%

Nicolas Dupont-Aignan : 5%

Jean Lassalle : 1,5%

Philippe Poutou : 1,1%

François Asselineau : 1%

Nathalie Arthaud : 0,8%

Jacques Cheminade : 0,3%

François Fillon call to vote for Macron. So good chance Macron (the fabricated candidate of the system) will be elected.
Really, I wonder by how much points they rig the election. More than 20% ?

 

[Adaryn]

We're probably gonna see a "replay" of the 2002 situation, when LePen (the father) lost against Chirac in the 2nd round (over 80% votes for Chirac). Most candidates are gonna rally behind Macron and ask people to vote for him in order to stop "fascism" (LePen). Big rallies and protests are gonna erupt all over the country, urging people to unite against "hatred" and "xenophobia". If it's not enough, a bit of rigging should ensure Macron's victory.

 

[Ellipse]

We're probably gonna see a "replay" of the 2002 situation, when LePen (the father) lost against Chirac in the 2nd round (over 80% votes for Chirac). Most candidates are gonna rally behind Macron and ask people to vote for him in order to stop "fascism" (LePen). Big rallies and protests are gonna erupt all over the country, urging people to unite against "hatred" and "xenophobia". If it's not enough, a bit of rigging should ensure Macron's victory.

Yes, I really got the sensation that since Chirac said no to the participation to the Iraq war, that France got close attention and very special treatment.

 

[Joe]

Results at 21h :

Emmanuel Macron : 23%

Marine Le Pen : 22%

François Fillon : 19,5%

Jean-Luc Mélenchon : 19%

Benoît Hamon : 6,8%

Nicolas Dupont-Aignan : 5%

Jean Lassalle : 1,5%

Philippe Poutou : 1,1%

François Asselineau : 1%

Nathalie Arthaud : 0,8%

Jacques Cheminade : 0,3%

François Fillon call to vote for Macron. So good chance Macron (the fabricated candidate of the system) will be elected.
Really, I wonder by how much points they rig the election. More than 20% ?

In his “victory” speech, Macron said he will represent all French people “in facing the threat of nationalists”.

Apparently being a French nationalist is now a hate crime.

It is highly suspicious that Macron went through with most votes and will now likely win the Presidency on May 7th.

Here’s a 39 year old Rothschild banker who was virtually unknown less than one year ago, endorsed by Obama and NATO, never elected to public office, spent a couple of years as a shoe-in economy minister under Hollande where he proposed a ‘labor’ law that bears his name that hundreds of thousands protested against and had to be forced through by executive decree and with a manifesto slightly less bland than his personality. Hollande’s presidency, under which Macron served, is probably the least popular in French history. And yet we’re expected to believe that a majority of French voted for this guy??!

Sounds like a rigged game to me.

Yet despite the media already assuring everyone that Macron will easily take the laurels on May 7th, the game may not be over.

Mélenchon (the uber lefty trotskyist nut job) who received about 20% of the vote had the role of drawing votes of the large number of those disgruntled with the system away from Le Pen. He did his job well. But now Mélenchon has to decide how to urge those who voted for him to vote for Macron. Those who voted for him did so largely out of severe distaste for an establishment dupe like Macron. To avoid exposing himself for the shill he is, Mélenchon has said he will not endorse either Le Pen or Macron but will instead ask his 450,000 party members to decide via his website.

This is a sneaky move, because when he does endorse Macron, he can blame his party members. Nevertheless, his supporters may not be fooled and the result may be that they will turn to Le Pen as the only “anti-establishment” option. It’s a long shot, I know, but remember Trump. In fact, a similar scenario played out in the USA last year, when Clinton screwed over Bernie Sanders to win the Democratic nomination. When Sanders then endorsed Clinton, many of his supporters, feeling betrayed, voted for Trump in protest.

Still, it’s not looking good for France or the French people, all of whom would be well advised to prepare themselves. Postmodern, globalist, nihilistic, warmongering and REAL racism against Muslims everywhere has probably installed itself fully in La Republique.