French Presidential Elections 2017: Fillon vs Macron vs Le Pen

[Ellipse]

The euro up sharply after the results.

After the first results of the first round, the euro is showing up sharply. At 6.20 am in Tokyo (local time), facing the dollar, the European currency was worth 1.0880 dollars against 1.0726 dollar Friday night.

 

[Glenn]

From the live election blog over at Breitbart:

14:56 Paper-thin Lead for Macron

As the final results come in, Macron is showing a fractional lead over rival Le Pen.

With 98.9 per cent of votes counted, results show Macron has secured 6,695,461 votes nationally, just under 500 votes ahead of Le Pen on 6,695,099. The figures put both candidates on 23.1 per cent of the national vote.

 

[Ellipse]

From the live election blog over at Breitbart:

14:56 Paper-thin Lead for Macron

As the final results come in, Macron is showing a fractional lead over rival Le Pen.

With 98.9 per cent of votes counted, results show Macron has secured 6,695,461 votes nationally, just under 500 votes ahead of Le Pen on 6,695,099. The figures put both candidates on 23.1 per cent of the national vote.

So Breitbart know 98.9% of votes and the French government only 84%. So Breitbart is obviously lying or the result are delayed on the official French site.

 

[Glenn]

From the live election blog over at Breitbart:

14:56 Paper-thin Lead for Macron

As the final results come in, Macron is showing a fractional lead over rival Le Pen.

With 98.9 per cent of votes counted, results show Macron has secured 6,695,461 votes nationally, just under 500 votes ahead of Le Pen on 6,695,099. The figures put both candidates on 23.1 per cent of the national vote.

So Breitbart know 98.9% of votes and the French government only 84%. So Breitbart is obviously lying or the result are delayed on the official French site.

Hmmm, that site (Breitbart) kind of leads with the story that Le Pen has taken the lead, and then I looked at their live blog and that is what was posted. But it looks like they have a higher percentage of votes counted, but yet the totals they give are lower than the one from your screenshot. So you are right, something is funny.

Mod's note: Fixed the quotation boxes

 

[realitybugll]

Le Pen COULD definitely win, but I think she has much less of a shot than Trump. Not speaking french or knowing much about the campaign, I will just echo that I very much agree that France is not ready to elect Le Pen. There would have to be a major scandal. She didn't perform great, but also neither did Macron. Some of Fillon's vote, some of Melenchon's vote will go to her, but more to Macron. The "anti" vote will also probably show up stronger in the runoff to Le Pen's detriment. I think she will at least garner 30-35% of the vote.

She is a good candidate in my estimation though, I read a few articles over the years, some in depth pieces. I remember she tried to get a meeting with Ron Paul when she was in DC during the republican primaries of 2012, which made international headlines.

 

[trytofly]

Many anomalies reported during these elections!

Among others:

Bulletins already slipped into envelopes.
http://www.rtl.fr/actu/politique/election-presidentielle-des-anomalies-constatees-dans-des-bureaux-de-vote-a-paris-7788251639

Electors removed from the electoral lists without reason
https://fr.sputniknews.com/france/201704231031049778-france-presidentielle-liste-electorale/
http://www.lemonde.fr/election-presidentielle-2017/article/2017/04/23/dans-plusieurs-villes-des-electeurs-saisissent-le-tribunal-apres-avoir-ete-radies-des-listes_5115944_4854003.html

Proxies not arrived, office plunged in the dark, ...
http://www.lci.fr/elections/election-presidentielles-2017-bureau-de-vote-dans-le-noir-procuration-jamais-arrivee-enveloppes-deja-remplies-les-couacs-et-les-anomalies-de-ce-premier-tour-2045942.html


Asselineau bulletins hidden under other candidates' piles
https://twitter.com/taximanparis1/status/856136612429930498

 

[Abats]

I think this election is rigged because it seems mathematicly impossible that François Asselineau made the announced score :

In november 2015 he had 190 000 votes with no MSM covering and with only 12 000 members of the party (UPR). His score was 1%

In april 2017 with 26000 members of the party, a huge month in the MSM, a lot of meeting with a room full of people he had about 300 000 votes. His score was 0.8 %

11 million views on his youtube channel moreover on alexa ranking website he is the first political party with a huge lot of views.

How could you explain that ? this is too weird. France is going darker to darker..

Thanks, I included that in my short article.

I made a mistake Joe , it's not 12 000 members in november 2015 but 9 000. One third less... Source here :
_https://www.upr.fr/communiques-de-presse/lupr-a-franchi-la-barre-des-9000-adherents-et-a-depose-sa-13-eme-liste-de-candidats-pour-les-elections-regionales

The UPR has multiplied by 150 % the members party in 16 months..

in the next 5 years, time will tell if the party will continue to grow and make his move !

 

[Esote]

Le Pen COULD definitely win, but I think she has much less of a shot than Trump. Not speaking french or knowing much about the campaign, I will just echo that I very much agree that France is not ready to elect Le Pen. There would have to be a major scandal. She didn't perform great, but also neither did Macron. Some of Fillon's vote, some of Melenchon's vote will go to her, but more to Macron. The "anti" vote will also probably show up stronger in the runoff to Le Pen's detriment. I think she will at least garner 30-35% of the vote.

She is a good candidate in my estimation though, I read a few articles over the years, some in depth pieces. I remember she tried to get a meeting with Ron Paul when she was in DC during the republican primaries of 2012, which made international headlines.

A good candidate ? Racism, fascism, nationalism... Don't we know where this is leading to ?

We know where Macron's puppet is leading France, but how could Le Pen be a better choice ? Unveiling the Deep State in case of her unlikely election seems to me some kind of wishful thinking, since her political party is manipulated to be what allows the Establishment to keep on going !

No choice IMO. Besides working on oneself in service of others

 

[Joe]

For the context, someone ask him why he doesn't rally the National Front. He begs the person to understand one capital thing : The national front is the KEY element to maintain the system in France. If it didn't exist it should be created. That's what happened, this political party was launched in 1983 BY the system with Francois Mitterrand, Jacques Attali, and the Social party, they instructed the media to flatter them up to divide the right-wing voters up to 20%.

I think there is some merit to the idea that the national front is a useful counterbalance to the "democratic" parties in France. The FN has been used repeatedly as an example of "what can happen" if French people don't stick with the establishment parties of the left (primarily) of the 'moderate right' like the UMP. But there are two important points to consider:

1) times change and as the establishment parties lose their way and become more and more corrupt, embodying fascist policies in everything but name, the traditional fascists will naturally take an opposing stance, which means anti-war, anti-colonialism, independence, sovereignty and the interests of French nationals above others. This is what has happened in France with the FN and other EU countries with similar "extreme right" parties.

2) when creating an extreme right party as a counter balance to the establishment parties, the whole point is that that party never gets into power. You assume that the extreme right party will NEVER receive majority support from the people. Yet what happens when they do? What happens when you, the establishment party, becomes so corrupt and fascist that you make the fascists look like a reasonable option? Well, then you have to make sure you're good at rigging elections.

 

[Ruth]

A good candidate ? Racism, fascism, nationalism... Don't we know where this is leading to ?

I don't know, recognizing labels when they get bandied about? That seems to happen a lot in politics, and more so in elections as opposition parties try and get people to react in an emotional way instead of thinking about what's really going on behind the scenes. Perhaps even thinking about what really matters because they are so hung up on lables that are being applied?

We know where Macron's puppet is leading France,

Oh, do we? Could be up the garden path or into a big black hole for all we know. Politicians are notorious liars and deceivers and the pathological ones representing 'deep state' may well be the 'best' or even the 'worst' of them. Such is the risk of taking anything they, or the media says, at face value.

but how could Le Pen be a better choice ? Unveiling the Deep State in case of her unlikely election seems to me some kind of wishful thinking, since her political party is manipulated to be what allows the Establishment to keep on going !

No choice IMO. Besides working on oneself in service of others

I 'vote' for revealing the truth every time. It means that people have an opportunity to deal with reality. I suppose then, discerning what's really then becomes a choice to exercise one's freedom.

 

[MK Scarlett]

For the context, someone ask him why he doesn't rally the National Front. He begs the person to understand one capital thing : The national front is the KEY element to maintain the system in France. If it didn't exist it should be created. That's what happened, this political party was launched in 1983 BY the system with Francois Mitterrand, Jacques Attali, and the Social party, they instructed the media to flatter them up to divide the right-wing voters up to 20%.

I think there is some merit to the idea that the national front is a useful counterbalance to the "democratic" parties in France. The FN has been used repeatedly as an example of "what can happen" if French people don't stick with the establishment parties of the left (primarily) of the 'moderate right' like the UMP. But there are two important points to consider:

1) times change and as the establishment parties lose their way and become more and more corrupt, embodying fascist policies in everything but name, the traditional fascists will naturally take an opposing stance, which means anti-war, anti-colonialism, independence, sovereignty and the interests of French nationals above others. This is what has happened in France with the FN and other EU countries with similar "extreme right" parties.

2) when creating an extreme right party as a counter balance to the establishment parties, the whole point is that that party never gets into power. You assume that the extreme right party will NEVER receive majority support from the people. Yet what happens when they do? What happens when you, the establishment party, becomes so corrupt and fascist that you make the fascists look like a reasonable option? Well, then you have to make sure you're good at rigging elections.

I tend to agree with you Joe on this 2 points, as I was telling to my husband the same too hours ago, about time changing from the creation of the "vile beast" that is supposed to be the FN and Le Pen family in mind French people (a long time of propaganda included from Le Pen father himself to get there). This party has never been created to get the Presidential position, but it could, couldn't it?

Of course, Establishment does not want to see their Frankenstein takes power. Then, I agree that at this time, we don't know really for sure what would vote French people in 14 days. What is sure, at least to me, is that Macron HAS to win, no matter what. If they have to rig elections in this regard, they will, even if by doing this they expose themselves for what we know they are. I know people who would never vote for Le Pen, but who are ready to do so now to counteract Macron the Bankster. I'm thinking about to vote to Le Pen too just because the Establishment asks me to do not. I'm still considering this option, and I'm pretty sure I'll consider it until the last minute.

 

[Pierre]

time changing from the creation of the "vile beast" that is supposed to be the FN and Le Pen family in mind French people (a long time of propaganda included from Le Pen father himself to get there).

To label JM Le Pen a 'racist', the MSM have mostly repeated (and twisted) one quote that was first made in 1987 (30 years ago) where Le Pen said that in the history of wars, the gas chambers were a detail. Of course, the MSM omitted the context (in the history of wars) and claimed that Le Pen said that the million of Jews killed in concentration camps was a detail.

When Chirac mentioned 'the noise and the smell' of flats inhabited by Arabic people, did his party get labelled 'racist'? When Sarkozy said that the immigrants suburbs should be power-washed (Karcher), was his party labelled 'racist'? When Valls asked for more whities in a local market he was visiting, was his party labelled 'racist'?

One wonders at the double standard.

This party has never been created to get the Presidential position,

The FN was not exactly created but rather developed by the socialist party. In 1981, the FN was a tiny nationalist party that got 0.18% vote. In 1984, Mitterrand asked the MSM to focus on Le Pen, that's when the development of the FN started.

The timing is key here. In 1981 Mitterrand is elected president and tries to implement a truly leftist policy (nationalisation of key industries, infrastructure programs, reduction of inequalities...) but he will cave in due to the pressure of the deep state (monetary pressure amongst other factors) in 1983. At this point the socialists embraced the neo-liberal economic doctrine and had nothing left to differentiate themselves from the right. That's when they created the 'anti-racist' political line. But for anti-racism to make sense politically, the socialist needed racism to exist politically, so the Zionist Julien Dray created 'SOS racisme' (the antiracist organisation), the media focused on alleged rampant racism in France and the FN played the role of the bogeyman: the racist party that justified the anti-racist positioning.

Of course, Establishment does not want to see their Frankenstein takes power.

But sometimes the creature turns against its creator. When you see that the PTB (in France and overseas) through each of its puppets (politicians, journalists, experts, show business personalities...) bashes endlessly Le Pen, you start to think that, maybe, she has become a real threat and indeed she's doing something right.

 

[Esote]

A good candidate ? Racism, fascism, nationalism... Don't we know where this is leading to ?

I don't know, recognizing labels when they get bandied about? That seems to happen a lot in politics, and more so in elections as opposition parties try and get people to react in an emotional way instead of thinking about what's really going on behind the scenes. Perhaps even thinking about what really matters because they are so hung up on lables that are being applied?

These are not labels : The F.N. is playing with these very concepts with which they are attracting people through the spraying of fear of the other.
Knowing the history and backgrounds of this political party since the beginning, I can't say anything but that it does stink !

Quote from: Sow on Today at 11:33:36 AM

We know where Macron's puppet is leading France,

Oh, do we? Could be up the garden path or into a big black hole for all we know. Politicians are notorious liars and deceivers and the pathological ones representing 'deep state' may well be the 'best' or even the 'worst' of them. Such is the risk of taking anything they, or the media says, at face value.

That's what I mean...

Quote from: Sow on Today at 11:33:36 AM

but how could Le Pen be a better choice ? Unveiling the Deep State in case of her unlikely election seems to me some kind of wishful thinking, since her political party is manipulated to be what allows the Establishment to keep on going !

No choice IMO. Besides working on oneself in service of others


I 'vote' for revealing the truth every time. It means that people have an opportunity to deal with reality. I suppose then, discerning what's really then becomes a choice to exercise one's freedom.

One's freedom choice is by nature supposed to be free. Which allows not to choose.
Especially when it comes to choosing in between one slavery to another, as Macron versus Le Pen kind of appears to me...

 

[dredger]

Changing a little bit the subject : about rig'ing the elections, will they always be able to do it without any drawback ?
Or say differently : can they rig any election as they wish, when they want, without ever never be caught ? If yes, how can we get out from this, except the "plan B" solution to move in another country ?
I'm also wondering if the PTB used some technological stuff to influence the french the voting day, like I already read on this forum and I think in a C's transcript, using low frequency waves at the level of a large area (zone / country)

At least, even on this forum I feel a little bit some people i would say a bit too much emotionnaly driven by something like "an automatic hate of the FN / Le Pen family" with the usual fascist/racist arguments which are more emotionnal than logical. It's the reason why i really appreciated the last paragraph of the article Joe just wrotte on sott.fr, here's a copy/paste (french) :

Pour résumer, ça s'annonce mal pour la France et le peuple français, qui ferait mieux de se préparer (au pire). L'impérialisme post-moderne, mondialiste et nihiliste, et un VÉRITABLE racisme anti-musulman généralisé (sous forme de bombardements de pays musulmans) viennent de prendre leurs quartiers au sein de la République française

I will not traduce this, just traduce the meaning which is by far a reality : the ones who will vote for Macron will vote for the continuity of the war, mainly against the muslim countries, and so, the continuity of desolation and death. At least, and of course, it's only if she does not lie about her intentions, but Le Pen wish to stop this, re-create an official cooperation wirh Russia, and at least, avoid that the France participates to such "institutionalized murders". In comparaison, her "racism" by means of words and probably some decisions she would take at the head of the state if she would be elected remains small potatoes compared to the act of participating to murderings, and it's the key reason i would vote for her if I was french, but i'm not :)

 

[Aeneas]

time changing from the creation of the "vile beast" that is supposed to be the FN and Le Pen family in mind French people (a long time of propaganda included from Le Pen father himself to get there).

To label JM Le Pen a 'racist', the MSM have mostly repeated (and twisted) one quote that was first made in 1987 (30 years ago) where Le Pen said that in the history of wars, the gas chambers were a detail. Of course, the MSM omitted the context (in the history of wars) and claimed that Le Pen said that the million of Jews killed in concentration camps was a detail.

When Chirac mentioned 'the noise and the smell' of flats inhabited by Arabic people, did his party get labelled 'racist'? When Sarkozy said that the immigrants suburbs should be power-washed (Karcher), was his party labelled 'racist'? When Valls asked for more whities in a local market he was visiting, was his party labelled 'racist'?

One wonders at the double standard.

This party has never been created to get the Presidential position,

The FN was not exactly created but rather developed by the socialist party. In 1981, the FN was a tiny nationalist party that got 0.18% vote. In 1984, Mitterrand asked the MSM to focus on Le Pen, that's when the development of the FN started.

The timing is key here. In 1981 Mitterrand is elected president and tries to implement a truly leftist policy (nationalisation of key industries, infrastructure programs, reduction of inequalities...) but he will cave in due to the pressure of the deep state (monetary pressure amongst other factors) in 1983. At this point the socialists embraced the neo-liberal economic doctrine and had nothing left to differentiate themselves from the right. That's when they created the 'anti-racist' political line. But for anti-racism to make sense politically, the socialist needed racism to exist politically, so the Zionist Julien Dray created 'SOS racisme' (the antiracist organisation), the media focused on alleged rampant racism in France and the FN played the role of the bogeyman: the racist party that justified the anti-racist positioning.

Of course, Establishment does not want to see their Frankenstein takes power.

But sometimes the creature turns against its creator. When you see that the PTB (in France and overseas) through each of its puppets (politicians, journalists, experts, show business personalities...) bashes endlessly Le Pen, you start to think that, maybe, she has become a real threat and indeed she's doing something right.

Thank you for the added background story, Pierre. Also the points mentioned by Joe as well as others. I did end up voting, knowing well that I don't agree on everything the candidate says. At the same time, I do support national sovereignty and a candidate who is not against Russia, nor appears to support neverending wars against Muslim countries. Even if I found Asselineau to be better informed and saying more things I could agree on, then I didn't see the point of casting the vote for a candidate, who by all predictions would get less than 10%.

It is telling however how most other candidates, who allegedly were pro-Russian immediately folded and put their vote in Macron's camp, which will just be Hollande 2.0. To me that indicates that they would never have changed the establishment's line on anything.