French Presidential Elections 2017: Fillon vs Macron vs Le Pen

Ellipse said:
Results at 21h :

Emmanuel Macron : 23%

Marine Le Pen : 22%

That's really close, which (and what Joe wrote above) suggests some rigging took place, as you also mentioned Ellipse. During the live coverage of the election from a Dutch news outlet, the Dutch journalist said something interesting: "While Le Pen was popular on several polls, it's surprising to see she came in second based on current results. This is similar to Geert Wilders (far-right anti-EU Dutch politician) who was also popular on polls but didn't win the election."

I don't know much about Macron, but just a glimpse of his history (from Wiki): former investment banker, Inspector of Finances, investment banker at Rothschild & Cie Banque, deputy secretary-general, Minister of Economy, Industry and Digital Affairs - and considering what former international financier revealed about the kind of people involved in the world of Big Money - tells me he could very well be evil. Normal people would want out once they see what goes on in that world, but he seems to have enjoyed it. And in Aug 2016 he decided to run for President, with help from some powerful people, probably...

Maybe Le Pen could still win in the second round.

This may be a crazy thought: What if, after Brexit, and after Trump's win, the Deep State people put extra pressure on certain individuals to make certain that there will be no Nexit, and no Frexit, or any other EU-exit, or at least told them to double their efforts to make sure that a politician who is against EU/NATO should not win. Still, they could be blinded by their wishful thinking. FWIW.
 
Just a note that at the moment I am watching updates about the French elections on the Russian TV. And apparently there are differences in numbers. According to the Russian TV, it was Le Pen who was leading with 24%, and Macron with 22%. Here's also an RT article in Russian about it.

They also mentioned the fact that French sources speak about Macron being the leader, and emphasised that the numbers Russian media gets are official numbers provided by the French Ministry of the Interior to the foreign media. And that apparently the Ministry is not allowed for some reason to share these number with the French public, and that the French people have to rely on the local media's objectivity to share accurate data.

This is totally ridiculous. :shock:
 
I think this election is rigged because it seems mathematicly impossible that François Asselineau made the announced score :

In november 2015 he had 190 000 votes with no MSM covering and with only 12 000 members of the party (UPR). His score was 1%

In april 2017 with 26000 members of the party, a huge month in the MSM, a lot of meeting with a room full of people he had about 300 000 votes. His score was 0.8 %

11 million views on his youtube channel moreover on alexa ranking website he is the first political party with a huge lot of views.

How could you explain that ? this is too weird. France is going darker to darker..
 
A "partial synthesis" of the results was posted on Twitter by an LCI journalist at 21h50. The source is the French Ministry of the Interior, and they give Le Pen 1st with 24,2% (for 23 millions ballot papers):

https://twitter.com/fredericdelpech/status/856233721057423360
 

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Oxajil said:
Maybe Le Pen could still win in the second round.

No, clearly the result is independent of what people vote for but people will vote for Macron.
 
I don't know who wrote the article on the French election on Dutch news site NU.nl, but they (article's latest update being 22:43) write: "According to the first official numbers, Macron got 23.1% of votes and Le Pen 23%." A difference of 0.1%!

As I'm going through Dutch MSM they all have pretty much concluded that Macron is the winner.

It will be interesting to see what the final official (rigged) result is...

Ellipse said:
Oxajil said:
Maybe Le Pen could still win in the second round.

No, clearly the result is independent of what people vote for but people will vote for Macron.

That's very possible, Ellipse. :/
 
Oxajil said:
"According to the first official numbers, Macron got 23.1% of votes and Le Pen 23%." A difference of 0.1%!

Russian TV talks about the same numbers.
 
Abats said:
I think this election is rigged because it seems mathematicly impossible that François Asselineau made the announced score :

In november 2015 he had 190 000 votes with no MSM covering and with only 12 000 members of the party (UPR). His score was 1%

In april 2017 with 26000 members of the party, a huge month in the MSM, a lot of meeting with a room full of people he had about 300 000 votes. His score was 0.8 %

11 million views on his youtube channel moreover on alexa ranking website he is the first political party with a huge lot of views.

How could you explain that ? this is too weird. France is going darker to darker..

Thanks, I included that in my short article.
 
From the Ministry of the Interior's website:
 

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Finally all candidates call to vote for Macron except Mélenchon and Asselineau who give no instruction and Nicolas Dupont-Aignan who will say later. So Marine Le Pen have no direct support.
 
Oxajil said:
I don't know who wrote the article on the French election on Dutch news site NU.nl, but they (article's latest update being 22:43) write: "According to the first official numbers, Macron got 23.1% of votes and Le Pen 23%." A difference of 0.1%!

These are the 'official' numbers coming from the 'ministère de l'intérieur' (state department) based on 30 million ballots. So, 0.1% difference amounts to 30.000 votes :violin:

While the rigging is pretty much a given, one can wonder by how many percent can the PTB tweak the results. In 2012, it was 'more than 20%' according to this session.

I guess that what matters for the opinion makers is to have Macron win the first round even by a tiny margin in order to discourage the voters who might consider voting for Le Pen.
 
In the interview I did tonight with Press TV, the correspondent guy said that the opinion polls in advance had been very accurate. Don't know if that's true, but there was at least one that wasn't that was published on Friday last.

http://www.lalibre.be/actu/france/presidentielle-francaise-decouvrez-les-ultimes-sondages-parus-avant-ce-dimanche-58f9dacccd70e80512fbd23c

Marine Le Pen serait en tête avec 26%. François Fillon devancerait légèrement Emmanuel Macron avec 22%, contre 21% pour l’ancien ministre de l’Economie de François Hollande.

"Marine Le Pen will be ahead with 26%. Fillion will lead Macron by a small margin, with 22% to 21% for Hollande's former minister of the economy"
 
And now at 00h
[Edit] source : http://elections.interieur.gouv.fr/presidentielle-2017/FE.html
 

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Regarding Le Pen, I believe this is how she is pictured, the anti-establishment/system who's not gonna faint. That's what the National Front has always be presented like, as some others said. When she accepts being faced with other candidates, she already has some troubles. She knows she's lying. she has aged very quickly, too. She and her father live on the European Beast since 34 years. These euro-deputies are expensive and have a fake stance against the system.

Again, Asselineau has more experience than her on a geopolitical level and is more knowledgeable. She has a pro-Poutine stance, and again, I see a distraction here. She never spoke about using the Art.50, she wants to renegotiate. She wants to leave NATO, but Art.42 doesn't allow it from what I understand. So that's the same for Mélenchon, Dupont-Aignan, Lasalle, Poutou.

Also,
The National Front want a renewal. They changed the logo and it's the daughter who chased her 'evil' father, to please a few, who is in charge now. When she thinks she cannot handle a situation, she send Philipot and he pumps Asselineau's arguments.
The following extract, in French, is from a recording of Asselineau in 2011, and expand on MK Scarlett point: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhaysd
I'll share some of his points which have been labeled as conspiracy theories on the english wikipedia :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois_Asselineau said:
Marine Le Pen is entrusted with ruining [his] discourse" and that her party, the National Front "was an invention of François Mitterrand and Jacques Attali" and had been financed [between 1985 and 1992] by "Pierre Ceyrac and the financial arm of the Moonies, CAUSA International, and behind them by the CIA and the Bush family", whose "fortune manager, the Carlyle group (...), is represented in France by Yves de Chaisemartin, the owner of 25% of the magazine Marianne which promotes Marine Le Pen in order to have Dominique Strauss-Kahn elected".[3] Asselineau also told the regional newspaper Nord Éclair that the National Front's intention of leaving the European Union is part of the "smokescreen" of the French political theatre and that they do not want to do so at all.[35]

For the context, someone ask him why he doesn't rally the National Front. He begs the person to understand one capital thing : The national front is the KEY element to maintain the system in France. If it didn't exist it should be created. That's what happened, this political party was launched in 1983 BY the system with Francois Mitterrand, Jacques Attali, and the Social party, they instructed the media to flatter them up to divide the right-wing voters up to 20%.

He continues saying that:

Do you know, Mr, that Mr and Ms Lepen together win 30k€/month at the European Parliament ? Both European Deputies, it makes you ponder. Do you know that never the National Front proposed leaving the EU, never have they talked about the Article 50. She is in charge of polluting my speech.

By the way, she sent us, I could cite names but I have the courtesy not to do so, she sent us people to copy what we say, to then use it on TV sprinkled with rubbish counter immigrates, counter social-communists, etc, to be REAL sure to just pollute my speech. That's how it is! She's paid for THAT. It's really important, it's been 28 years that way. Incidentally the next generation is expected. You have Marion Maréchal Lepen which is in the ranks. Because we are in a society of nepotism. We have the father Le Pen, which is still, by the way, President of Honor, he keeps finance, and Ms Lepen, the daughter, and the granddaughter which is already set... [and then he quotes other examples]

That's why this political party exist, we can also attest they have much media coverage, with Mélenchon, and are no real threat.

In his speech he just gave, Asselineau pointed it's been 7 times the National Front is used that way, he didn't change his mind. Everybody will demonize the National Front again, maybe Jean-Marie Le Pen will make another of those cyclical scandal again. They all already have given their vote to Macron.
The National Front helps the system to be maintained by having outrageous stances against Muslim population, or immigration for example. They divide and this is their goal. That's their stance. So that they can't reach more than what they reach at the first tour.
This is the strategy of the counter vote served by the PTB.
It's so rigged, here is the new President. Macron sponsored by Soros.
How disgusting.
 
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