French Presidential Elections 2017: Fillon vs Macron vs Le Pen

[Starshine]

I think said 'evil' has learnt by it's mistakes and won't be so convinced they can win an election, or a political outcome, by rigging - I mean look at Hillary and Brexit. Two big fails if there ever was one... That means they are going to have to use something else to manipulate the winner.

I'm thinking terrorism is the most likely option, especially as it's so fresh in the minds of the French people. The French people need to stop being complacent and start seeing the similarities with terrorism victims everywhere, including Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan. There really is no difference in the minds of the people behind these things, it's just a means to an end. And a dead body is just a dead body, meant to manipulate people around them.

Interestingly enough, an article by the JDD from the 16th April : http://www.lejdd.fr/politique/la-menace-terroriste-pese-sur-la-presidentielle-3296168

Google Translation with quick fixes
The terrorist threat weighs on the presidential election
11:00, 16 April 2017

Serious threat on the presidential campain. Behind the scenes, in recent days, the voltage has risen a notch. According to our information, the ISGD (Interior Security General Direction [may my translation be correct]) has notified the main candidates this week of a specific threat to their security or that of their campaign headquarters. The police services assigned to their protection have even received detailed information notes these days. These alerts, which indicate a "serious and imminent" threat, were taken very seriously at the Paris prosecutor's office in charge of counter-terrorism, which initiated a preliminary investigation and conducted ongoing operations. Refusing to comment on this information, Interior Minister Mathias Fekl said: "The terrorist risk is maximum and our services are mobilized."

On Friday night, the meeting of François Fillon in Montpellier took place with the set up of an exceptional security system, implementing units of intervention of the Raid and snipers. According to information published by the daily newspaper Midi Libre, a terrorist threat has indeed been taken seriously. "At the time, we spoke of a bomb threat to avoid anyone going crazed" said a police source. "But the intelligence services are indeed on the war footing," confirms to the JDD a source in the entourage of the candidate. "We have been informed of a threat to François Fillon for a few days, and we have even been advised that police reinforcements will be put in place during each rally or each trip," says a relative of the candidate.

New safety instructions

Same confirmation in the entourage of Emmanuel Macron. In Marseilles, a month ago, we had the GIGN behind the scenes, but this week we were also warned of a new threat, Precisely, potentially targeting, we were told, all the big presidential candidates. " As of Thursday, police reinforcements were in fact set up around the headquarters of Emmanuel Macron. Campaign managers of Jean-Luc Mélenchon and Benoît Hamon (although the latter, questioned by the JDD Saturday, refute) would also have been alerted of the new safety instructions. Same information on the side of Marine Le Pen. Consulted Saturday by the JDD, its director of cabinet, Nicolas Lesage, did not wish to react.

"For us "small candidates", on the other hand, nothing has changed in relation to the protection implemented since the beginning of the campaign, plagues on his side the director of a candidate's firm preferring to remain anonymous to avoid eventually "giving an idea to malicious people" ... But of course, if the 'big' candidates are more protected, we also demand police reinforcements, because we too are potential targets! Security sometimes seems light enough, "sighs the director of cabinet. "We have also raised our concerns through the police," he added.

"Accurate information that gives chills down your spine"

All the information on the security of the campaign is transmitted by the management of the SDLP, the protection service, which acts as the interface between the ISGD, responsible for the fight against terrorism, and the police officers in daily contact with the eleven men and women who seek the Presidency. "There is a bit of nervousness, but it is also the period that wants this in general," adds a close friend of one of the main candidates, who had "very precise information notes ... which give chills down the spine, "he said. "Every precaution has been taken since the beginning of the campaign but, to my knowledge, there is nothing more than usual," said Pierre-Henry Brandet, spokesman for the ministry of The Interior. A voluntarily reassuring message.

It wouldn't be so surprising if something along those lines happen. We'll have to wait and see but I found this info worth sharing in regard to what you just said.

As for French people being complacent, is that how French people are generally seen?
I think we can enlarge your sentence to people in general.
As Caesar said :
A: I was wrong to think I could change the masses by example. Humans are fickle and self-centered for the most part. Thus, if you wish to really effect changes, it can only be done by early education, and even then it is fragile and will not last. In the end you must be true to your own nature and fear nothing. If you do that you may make a difference after you are gone.

But the recent events just confirmed this even more. For example "I am Paris" paradoxically highlighted how little we care for the rest of the world. MSM and PTB are so massive in their influences in the ponerization process. What I notice though is a real increasing interest for truth born from an increasing deceit. Having a candidate such as Asselineau, announcing who is behind terrorism, among other things, and basically being a vector to expose the Truth is in itself a real illustration of a rising awareness. And everything is done to counter it. But that is always a bit more obvious and raise more and more suspicion. It's certainly worth observing.

 

[Chu]

If I could vote, I'd probably choose Asselineau as well. It's pretty amazing that he got this far even though he was given so little coverage and so much criticism on the MSM. In a sense, it gives me hope to think that the French population is seeing through the lies. On the other hand, all things considered, there's probably very little chances of him actually making it into the second round, right?

And if it's LePen and someone else (Mélenchon or Fillon - I sure hope Macron doesn't get that far!), then people might get afraid and vote AGAINST Marine LePen, not FOR the second candidate. Yesterday I was talking with a friend of mine who is in Asselineau's party, and he said that if he had to choose between LePen and anyone else, he would vote for the other candidate. His argument was: "I'm a worker's son, and voting LePen would be like voting the Nazi Party. I like her program and her actions better than, say, Mélenchon, but for the principle of it, my conscience wouldn't allow me to vote LePen. Her supporters are mad and want to kill all the Arabs!" Programming goes quite deep in that regard, and there has probably been a lot of trolling. Not saying that I like LePen much either, but arguments like that, when one admits NOT agreeing with any of the opponent's campaign, is not a very convincing one. Will most people think like that, or will we have a surprise like in the US? It should be interesting, to say the least.

 

[Adaryn]

If I could vote, I'd probably choose Asselineau as well. It's pretty amazing that he got this far even though he was given so little coverage and so much criticism on the MSM. In a sense, it gives me hope to think that the French population is seeing through the lies. On the other hand, all things considered, there's probably very little chances of him actually making it into the second round, right?

His chances are very slim. Yet, as he's rightly said: if all the people who are tempted to vote for him end up deciding to vote for a candidate who supposedly has better chances (the infamous "voter utile" strategy) because "there's hardly any chance for Asselineau to make it to the second round", then that's a self-fulfilling prophecy! As Asselineau aptly points out: "Le vote utile est un vote futile".

And if it's LePen and someone else (Mélenchon or Fillon - I sure hope Macron doesn't get that far!), then people might get afraid and vote AGAINST Marine LePen, not FOR the second candidate.

That's almost a given. The system has always used The National Front/Le Pen (first the father, then the daughter) as a scarecrow, allowing to perpetuate the statu-quo (the perpetual so-called "left/wing" alternation). Things might be different this time, but I'm not holding my breath at all. I guess people are gonna keep doing what they've always done, while still expecting different results.

 

[Adaryn]

_https://www.thelocal.fr/20170414/and-what-if-half-a-million-french-people-voted-twice

Could half a million French people be tempted to vote twice?

A computer bug in France’s electoral roll has meant some half a million voters could in theory cast two ballots. And some are tempted.

With the first round of the presidential election just over a week away (April 23rd) French voters around the country have been receiving their ballot cards through the post as usual.

But many have received two – in fact some half a million voters could cast two ballots thanks to the bug, according to authorities.

The duplicate voting cards were sent out mainly in the cases where people have moved homes since the last time they voted.

Normally the electoral roll is automatically updated when people register their new address but for some reason the system has not been working.

Voting twice is illegal of course but in a year four candidates appear to have a fighting chance of making the second round including the extreme right Marine Le Pen, far left Jean-Luc Mélenchon, independent novice Emmanuel Macron and scandal-hit François Fillon, some voters appear tempted to cast two ballots.

“This year is the first time I am asking myself the question of whether I should take advantage of the system and vote twice,” a voter named Cecile told Europe1 radio.

During the primary elections for the left and right candidates numerous voters and journalists reported that they had been able to vote twice in two different polling stations.

But the electoral roll bug has not just resulted in duplicate ballot cards. It’s also apparently resulted in some foreigners, who normally wouldn’t have the right to vote, being send a voting card.

Including a Swedish woman named Alice, who lives in France. She too is tempted to flout the rules.

“I do not know if I will go and vote and but I am really tempted, I really want to,” she told Europe1 radio.

Those who do vote twice risk a heavy punishment: up to six months in prison and a fine of up to €15,000.

Despite the huge numbers of duplicate voting cards, the Ministry of Interior is not worried that the result of the election could be invalid.

They are confident the stiff penalties will put most people off, even if many will be tempted in order to see their candidate through to the second round runoff vote.

_http://www.leparisien.fr/elections/presidentielle/listes-electorales-il-y-a-un-risque-de-fraude-pour-jean-christophe-lagarde-15-04-2017-6856356.php

J-C Lagarde, a centrist MP and mayor of Drancy (Seine-Saint-Denis), has called out the Ministry of the Interior on the problem of double registrations on electoral lists.

Q: You sent a letter to the Ministry of the Interior warning about these double registrations on the voters' lists. What do you expect?

A: Jean-Christophe Lagarde: I want the ministry to do its job and deal with it by April 23. If I were in its place, I would immediately start an audit. I became aware of this anomaly thanks to a very honest elector in my town of Drancy, who alerted us. She had received an electoral card to vote in Drancy and another at her former address in Sevran. It was from there that we were able to trace the problem. What is the situation at the national level? I will also ask for a parliamentary inquiry to shed light on this situation.

Q: You report a malfunction?

A: This is a very serious malfunction. I have been a mayor for the past sixteen years, the same person has been overseeing the elections in Drancy for thirty-five years: this is the first time we're dealing with such a situation. Besides, we discovered that INSEE (National Institute of Statistics and Economic Studies) did not do its job. When we contacted them to alert them, they told us they did not have time to check the double registrations. This is aberrant. Since a voting number is assigned to each citizen, a computer solution should easily solve this problem.

Q: Can this situation have an impact on the election?

R: Of course, dishonest voters can vote twice, and there is a real risk of electoral fraud. This is all the more delicate as this year, the results are bound to be very, very close.

 

[Ellipse]

If I could vote, I'd probably choose Asselineau as well. It's pretty amazing that he got this far even though he was given so little coverage and so much criticism on the MSM. In a sense, it gives me hope to think that the French population is seeing through the lies. On the other hand, all things considered, there's probably very little chances of him actually making it into the second round, right?

I'm with Asselineau too, clearly he is someone who know his files and dare to say the true on some subjects. But I was listening Soral talking about him and I think he has some points. He say that Asselineau is a kind of professor that surrender under real pressure form the PTB. He say that if Asselineau become really popular or in charge, he will be under real fire (dark files and so on...) and he's not prepared to that and he will do the same as Trump. He say he is not Le Pen and even less Putin. Soral preach for Le Pen of course, nevertheless he can be right.

Perhaps we should ask if Asselineau is award of the tiger.

_https://www.youtube.com/embed/aH1RDq-sMEs

 

[Niall]

There's really only one candidate the establishment doesn't want to win. That's all I'm going to say!

 

[Aeneas]

There's really only one candidate the establishment doesn't want to win. That's all I'm going to say!

I think you are right Niall. Also, it is most likely, that only one candidate is interested in working with Russia despite the claim in the newspapers that 7 out of 11 candidates are pro-Russia.

As for voting, then I have gotten the voting papers by mail and I am beginning to wonder if I should actually vote in the French election, which I have until now never done.

 

[nature]

I talked about Asselineau to my friends. They answered "who?" . They don't know who he is!! They are so turned towards regular candidates -ie. candidates appearing on tv everyday as brainwashing; Lepen, macron, etc...- that they don't see something else! I'm pessimistic about this election.

 

[Ellipse]

There's really only one candidate the establishment doesn't want to win. That's all I'm going to say!

If you think about Fillon (friend with Putin) because of all the attacks he got and the "blackmail" which target him, it's more or less true. Recently he got some coverage from big press titles because they seems to realize they have pushed too far on someone who is friend with the financial system. What is sure is that the system want Macron (Rotchild creature), eventually Melenchon (Freemason since 34 years so they will rule through him). So they push for them.

 

[Shinzenbi]

There's really only one candidate the establishment doesn't want to win. That's all I'm going to say!

If you think about Fillon (friend with Putin) because of all the attacks he got and the "blackmail" which target him, it's more or less true. Recently he got some coverage from big press titles because they seems to realize they have pushed too far on someone who is friend with the financial system. What is sure is that the system want Macron (Rotchild creature), eventually Melenchon (Freemason since 34 years so they will rule through him). So they push for them.

I do not think he means Fillon but Marine le Pen, and i agree. What is happening in this election is the fight between globalism and souvereignism forces, and the same is true for almost all countries in the world. That's one of the reasons why the system does not want MLP to win. Freemason Melenchon cannot seriously be souvereignist. For instance, he is in favor of further arrivals and future regularization of refugees. His victory would be the one of the system.

 

[Glenn]

https://sputniknews.com/news/201704201052827000-gunman-kills-cop-paris-injured/

French police say two shooters killed a police officer on Thursday in Paris while wounding another. Officials said it was likely an act of terrorism.

A helicopter was seen grazing the immediate canopy of central Paris following the shooting incident. It appears the chopper is part of a police operation currently taking place.

One shooter has reportedly been killed as well while the other may still be at large. The area has been closed to pedestrians and passersby.

Eyewitnesses report one of the shooters exited an auto and began firing "with a Kalashnikov," hitting a police officer. The deceased officer was standing guard near the Champs-Elysees metro station when one of the attackers took aim.

People in the area have been told to steer clear as a security operation ensues.

The event occurs just days before French voters head to voting booths in France's first round of presidential elections. Terrorism has been noted as a significant priority for many of the candidates.

There were a minimum of two individuals perpetrating the attacks in Paris, according to police reports.

Police have indicated the attack was probably an "act of terrorism."

MORE DETAILS TO FOLLOW

 

[Starshine]

I'm with Asselineau too, clearly he is someone who know his files and dare to say the true on some subjects. But I was listening Soral talking about him and I think he has some points. He say that Asselineau is a kind of professor that surrender under real pressure form the PTB. He say that if Asselineau become really popular or in charge, he will be under real fire (dark files and so on...) and he's not prepared to that and he will do the same as Trump. He say he is not Le Pen and even less Putin. Soral preach for Le Pen of course, nevertheless he can be right.

Perhaps we should ask if Asselineau is award of the tiger.

_https://www.youtube.com/embed/aH1RDq-sMEs

Soral keeps spitting on Asselineau's face without using real arguments. He estimated that he had no political career back in 2012, and now he is pissed because Asselineau does not support Lepen. He never has and explains why pretty accurately. Soral has some ego and respect problems.
Also I have some trouble understanding why he supports Lepen even though, he said himself in the past she has tried to have the support of Zionist lobbies and is still maintaining the Islamophobic campaign. She's way more susceptible to turn as Trump did. She has changed a lot in her views, she is not constant and I would not trust her.
Asselineau is one of the candidate which has the most important experience in international diplomacy and I have no doubt he would be way better than Fillon or Lepen.
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ9Ujw58IYA This is a response to Soral.

There's really only one candidate the establishment doesn't want to win. That's all I'm going to say!

If you think about Fillon (friend with Putin) because of all the attacks he got and the "blackmail" which target him, it's more or less true. Recently he got some coverage from big press titles because they seems to realize they have pushed too far on someone who is friend with the financial system. What is sure is that the system want Macron (Rotchild creature), eventually Melenchon (Freemason since 34 years so they will rule through him). So they push for them.

I don't see much in Fillon's program that is a threat to the PTB, even though he has one of the most consistent one, he, as every other one, just will apply what Europe is asking for. And he is not the only one who want better relationship with Russia or any other country, but how do you do this while staying in NATO, and thus are submitted to Washington ?

Fillon is not Putin juste because they developed a friendship. His mandate as First Minister was awful, the debt augmented by 500 millions among other things.

Some points, apart from the recent scandals certainly set up for this strange political assassination but which still exist :

He is a member of Bilderberg, the Republican party has 77 millions debts and a negative equity of -29 millions.
They don't propose recognizing white ballot, nor the popular initiative referendum, nor want to change anything about cumulating mandates, nor ask for a blank criminal record for an elective mandate, has no clear positions on the TAFTA/CETA.
He wants to suppress departments too. Wants to pass from 35H to 39H in public service (Something French people are not so much up to, you would guess) And here is a video of a conference where he demonstrates a real deny for democracy :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlQ3cfBMhFY

He talks much about Security and fighting Islamism terrorism, and by the way, has recently been a target of an aborted terrorist attack. http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/presidentielle-2017/20170419.OBS8183/attentat-dejoue-les-pro-fillon-encensent-le-courage-de-leur-candidat.html

Doesn't change anything to the number of Senators, deputies but wants to suppress 500 000 civil servant positions. Wants to raise VAT and put retirement to 65yo.
No stance on GMO. Doesn't want to call back our troops. Nor end the Urgency State we're in.

So the only thing I would give him, is a 'friendship' with Putin.
He has been a victim of Macron's shadow links, I guess, but he's certainly not a reference in his acts.

I talked about Asselineau to my friends. They answered "who?" . They don't know who he is!! They are so turned towards regular candidates -ie. candidates appearing on tv everyday as brainwashing; Lepen, macron, etc...- that they don't see something else! I'm pessimistic about this election.

What I see in the streets is a dynamic for Mélenchon and another for Asselineau. Same online.

Update :

So Fillon was the target of a terrorist attack two day ago, an attack aborted.
And tonight was the infamous "15 minutes to understand" show on TV which replaced the debate that was supposed to happen. Everyone of them, one after the other, had an interview of 15 minutes. The attack happened during this show.

Dupont-Aignan received a message from Serge Dassault, owner of the newspaper "Le Figaro" which he read live on France 2 :

"The boycott of my newspaper is only the consequence of your attitude against Fillon and it is not by staying in your corner that you will get there but by being in a government team," he began to quote, commenting: "I complained about the boycott of his newspaper."

"It's better to eat soup than stale bread," he continued.

Nicolas Dupont-Aignan also said he was "scandalized". "I have had enough of this operetta democracy!" Concluded the candidate.

Funny thing, Fillon was the last one to talk, and the host decided to make a point on the terrorist attack at 14:00. Like he couldn't wait to just let Fillon finish and make the point after. So the point made, Fillon said he would cancel what was planned for tomorrow.

They all then had 2min30 to make a conclusion, the 11 of them together on the same TV Set.
They expressed their condolences and some of them used this event to reinforce the immediate urgency to counteract terrorism. I think about Fillon, Lepen, Macron and Dupont-Aignan.
_https://francais.rt.com/france/37204-attentat-presume-champs-elysees-invite-dernier-grand-oral-candidats
Some cancelled their meeting today : Lepen, Fillon and Macron.

 

[MK Scarlett]

I'm with Asselineau too, clearly he is someone who know his files and dare to say the true on some subjects. But I was listening Soral talking about him and I think he has some points. He say that Asselineau is a kind of professor that surrender under real pressure form the PTB. He say that if Asselineau become really popular or in charge, he will be under real fire (dark files and so on...) and he's not prepared to that and he will do the same as Trump. He say he is not Le Pen and even less Putin. Soral preach for Le Pen of course, nevertheless he can be right.

Perhaps we should ask if Asselineau is award of the tiger.

_https://www.youtube.com/embed/aH1RDq-sMEs

Soral keeps spitting on Asselineau's face without using real arguments. He estimated that he had no political career back in 2012, and now he is pissed because Asselineau does not support Lepen. He never has and explains why pretty accurately. Soral has some ego and respect problems.
Also I have some trouble understanding why he supports Lepen even though, he said himself in the past she has tried to have the support of Zionist lobbies and is still maintaining the Islamophobic campaign. She's way more susceptible to turn as Trump did. She has changed a lot in her views, she is not constant and I would not trust her.
Asselineau is one of the candidate which has the most important experience in international diplomacy and I have no doubt he would be way better than Fillon or Lepen.
_https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ9Ujw58IYA This is a response to Soral.

There's really only one candidate the establishment doesn't want to win. That's all I'm going to say!

If you think about Fillon (friend with Putin) because of all the attacks he got and the "blackmail" which target him, it's more or less true. Recently he got some coverage from big press titles because they seems to realize they have pushed too far on someone who is friend with the financial system. What is sure is that the system want Macron (Rotchild creature), eventually Melenchon (Freemason since 34 years so they will rule through him). So they push for them.

I don't see much in Fillon's program that is a threat to the PTB, even though he has one of the most consistent one, he, as every other one, just will apply what Europe is asking for. And he is not the only one who want better relationship with Russia or any other country, but how do you do this while staying in NATO, and thus are submitted to Washington ?

Fillon is not Putin juste because they developed a friendship. His mandate as First Minister was awful, the debt augmented by 500 millions among other things.

Some points, apart from the recent scandals certainly set up for this strange political assassination but which still exist :

He is a member of Bilderberg, the Republican party has 77 millions debts and a negative equity of -29 millions.
They don't propose recognizing white ballot, nor the popular initiative referendum, nor want to change anything about cumulating mandates, nor ask for a blank criminal record for an elective mandate, has no clear positions on the TAFTA/CETA.
He wants to suppress departments too. Wants to pass from 35H to 39H in public service (Something French people are not so much up to, you would guess) And here is a video of a conference where he demonstrates a real deny for democracy :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlQ3cfBMhFY

He talks much about Security and fighting Islamism terrorism, and by the way, has recently been a target of an aborted terrorist attack. http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/presidentielle-2017/20170419.OBS8183/attentat-dejoue-les-pro-fillon-encensent-le-courage-de-leur-candidat.html

Doesn't change anything to the number of Senators, deputies but wants to suppress 500 000 civil servant positions. Wants to raise VAT and put retirement to 65yo.
No stance on GMO. Doesn't want to call back our troops. Nor end the Urgency State we're in.

So the only thing I would give him, is a 'friendship' with Putin.
He has been a victim of Macron's shadow links, I guess, but he's certainly not a reference in his acts.

I talked about Asselineau to my friends. They answered "who?" . They don't know who he is!! They are so turned towards regular candidates -ie. candidates appearing on tv everyday as brainwashing; Lepen, macron, etc...- that they don't see something else! I'm pessimistic about this election.

What I see in the streets is a dynamic for Mélenchon and another for Asselineau. Same online.

Update :

So Fillon was the target of a terrorist attack two day ago, an attack aborted.
And tonight was the infamous "15 minutes to understand" show on TV which replaced the debate that was supposed to happen. Everyone of them, one after the other, had an interview of 15 minutes. The attack happened during this show.

Dupont-Aignan received a message from Serge Dassault, owner of the newspaper "Le Figaro" which he read live on France 2 :

"The boycott of my newspaper is only the consequence of your attitude against Fillon and it is not by staying in your corner that you will get there but by being in a government team," he began to quote, commenting: "I complained about the boycott of his newspaper."

"It's better to eat soup than stale bread," he continued.

Nicolas Dupont-Aignan also said he was "scandalized". "I have had enough of this operetta democracy!" Concluded the candidate.

Funny thing, Fillon was the last one to talk, and the host decided to make a point on the terrorist attack at 14:00. Like he couldn't wait to just let Fillon finish and make the point after. So the point made, Fillon said he would cancel what was planned for tomorrow.

They all then had 2min30 to make a conclusion, the 11 of them together on the same TV Set.
They expressed their condolences and some of them used this event to reinforce the immediate urgency to counteract terrorism. I think about Fillon, Lepen, Macron and Dupont-Aignan.
_https://francais.rt.com/france/37204-attentat-presume-champs-elysees-invite-dernier-grand-oral-candidats
Some cancelled their meeting today : Lepen, Fillon and Macron.

Thank you very much Starshine for the resume, you said along the lines what I would have said myself.
This "friendship" with Putin is far from sufficient for French people and France.

Very surpsingly, my husband took a Uber for coming home on last night and by talking of the French presidential elections, the driver said he was going to vote for Asselineau, "the only one who understand what is going on". Maybe there is hope...

 

[Alana]

I know a few good, well-meaning people in France with whom I spoke a bit about the elections, and they dread the possibility of a Le Pen win, or of any candidate that seems to like Putin. So yes, it is like everywhere, a lot of well-meaning and good hearted people with huge blind spots regarding history and politics are going to be voting this Sunday.

But in the end, what difference would it make, even if by some chance Le Pen or even Asselineau wins? The Greeks voted Syriza in the elections and No in the referendum, and what happened? Or what about the people voting for Trump in the US? Deep Sate(s) run deep everywhere, and I think they have the power and means to make whoever is elected start singing to their tune, whoever that person/party is and what their true intentions/convinctions are.

 

[Adaryn]

I know a few good, well-meaning people in France with whom I spoke a bit about the elections, and they dread the possibility of a Le Pen win, or of any candidate that seems to like Putin. So yes, it is like everywhere, a lot of well-meaning and good hearted people with huge blind spots regarding history and politics are going to be voting this Sunday.

And they are the majority. This is why, personally, I don't think anything "extraordinary" is gonna happen in this election (while staying open to that possibility). A lot of people fear a Frexit. They think that it would make France totally isolated, that the Franc would crash, everything would be more expensive, unemployment rates would soar (as if they weren"t already!), and so on. They just repeat the propaganda they hear on the TV/radio or read in the newspapers. Outside the Internet "alternative news" bubble, most people don't have a clue. And many people (especially old people) don't have the Internet either, or when they have, they don't know where to look for info so they just keep on reading mainstream websites.

But in the end, what difference would it make, even if by some chance Le Pen or even Asselineau wins? The Greeks voted Syriza in the elections and No in the referendum, and what happened? Or what about the people voting for Trump in the US? Deep Sate(s) run deep everywhere, and I think they have the power and means to make whoever is elected start singing to their tune, whoever that person/party is and what their true intentions/convinctions are.

I agree. Yet I still think that whoever people vote for can have an effect (people's level of awareness and knowledge manifested through voting), in terms of symbolism and non-linear dynamics. Wait and see.