George Floyd's Death, Protests and Riots across the US
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bjorb
The Living Force
Anti-racist demo= pro-fascist demo
De #Antifa gaat niet in op de oproep van de politie om te vertrekken... | #Rotterdam, #Erasmusbrug, #BlackLivesMatter pic.twitter.com/SSIdkJmnT1
— Ken Stash (@KenStash) June 3, 2020
The demo was cancelled after destruction and unrest occured. They also vandalized a statue of Pim Fortuyn, a popular right-wing politician murdered by a Leftie.
Yep. That's exactly how it looks to me. Faceless NPCs kneeling before their overlords. Come down 4D overlords. Humans are ready!
I agree me too. Plus, the army is supposed to protect people. I don't understand why they knee. Why? To show they are good guys? They believe in God? I think we are entering a very strange dimension. A dead zone.
Right, and then if you take that a step further, what could have started as a simple gesture of submission will become something demanded at some point. So it will be like: "well... you kneeled that one time, which was nice... can you do it again?" and from there to "Why aren't you kneeling?!" isn't really that long of a road.
People tend to abuse what they get for free, even if grateful at first. It could get to the point where the protests can be about someone not kneeling. And why kneeling? I understand the context in which the gesture was born with Cappernick (or whatever his name is, the american football player), but even kneeling in that context was a sign of disrespect, a sing of "I do not stand for this" and now it becomes a sign of support?
I remember at one point a few firefighters in France showed their support of the Yellow Vest movement by removing their helmets, that one to me showed the intention was mutual respect and trust. " I don't need this helmet because I won't be doing anything to hurt you, so you won't have any reason to hurt me." And I could be wrong, but that shows a relationship of equals, of "I stand with you"... kneeling is a bit much.
I know it has been presented everywhere as a courageous act of standing up for what you believe (pun intended), but I don't think it is. And I also understand why it feels good. It's normal, I think, to seek the catharsis of witnessing a really tense and violent situation eventually resolving itself in such a heart warming manner, movies do this all the time. But it shows submission, disrespect and cowardice, terror even.
Imagine watching your parents argue about whatever, and instead of actually working through the issue, one of them kneels and submits. Did it deescalate the situation? Sure, but what precedent would it slowly establish? it would turn into tyranny. Even if it doesn't turn into tyranny, it could also simply say that one party doesn't respect or considers the other one capable of working through the issue successfully.
I remember I heard this phrase somewhere when someone was apologizing "Don't be sorry, be better". So I think I am with Joe on this one, a sincere apology that is followed through with behavioral change and awareness is far more desirable than an immediate submission only to avoid punishment, why? because how sincerely are they looking to change?
That is not to say that there isn't anything that needs to be changed within the criminal system in the US, but why not announce those changes and implement them instead of simply kneeling? if you truly mean your kneeling that is. And how much of this is simply posturing? How much of this is simply officers and soldiers simply seeking the attention and the "likes" by doing that one thing that everyone's doing. And how long before it looses its flare like all the other social network challenges?
In light of this explosive turn of events it would be nice to see dark counter clockwise energy vortexes over the heads of the bad actors and light clockwise energy vortexes over the heads of people of the truth. That would sure level the playing field in a hurry since the media would not be able to deceive the people as they are doing now. The protesters would likewise be shocked how they were easily deceived by just a few bad actors and the lying press.
Meanwhile, in Mexico...
So, there’s a protest going on here in Mexico bc a cop killed an innocent man for not wearing a mask. Apparently some cops are dickheads everywhere. We will not tolerate this. #JusticeForGiovanni pic.twitter.com/8TAYTni6hw
— Dana (성화's version) ✨ (@SantasticWoo) June 5, 2020
I also appreciated the video, but have my questions about it. The numbers he is crunching comes from the Washington Post, as he admits. What is your view on (1) the trustworthiness of WaPo, and (2) Tucker's use of WaPo stats alone?
It is important in these times to be as intellectually honest as possible. In this sense, Tucker (if he 'truly exists' beyond the captivating FOX TV personality that he appears as) may be 'on point' - but the point he is making is based on WaPo data.
The context for a lot of people in the US is from 2016 when during the playing of the national anthem before a football game, a time when customarily people stand up and take off their hats to respect the flag, football player Kaepernick decided to sit instead. So it started as sitting instead of standing for the flag, and then Kaepernick talked with a military veteran football player who convinced him to kneel for the flag instead of sitting, because somehow kneeling was less disrespectful to the flag than sitting.
This cartoon with him sitting shows that it started with sitting, not kneeling,
Cartoonist Gary Varvel: Sitting during the National Anthem
Varvel: Colin Kaepernick is not the only one who sits during National Anthem
www.indystar.com
It's somewhat ironic that kneeling was on the advice of a US military veteran. The kneeling for the US flag and US military is what people might be forgetting.
Here we go, today... a bunch of.. . people went today to Palace Government of Jalisco to "demand justice" of the murder of the person who was arrested for not wearing a mask. There seem to be few but, some were very violent, destroying, burning police car etc..problem is, it can be expanded to other cities.
— Adrián Montiel G. (@adrianmontiel_g) June 4, 2020
And, yes, unfortunately, the police here also have a long history of abuse
JALISCO POLICEMEN thought no one was recording them, and they slapped a young man in the back until he passed out.
This happened minutes ago near the Government Palace.
ALFARO (second name of Governor of Jalisco) doesn't understand that the violence of its police can unleash more protests.
#JusticeParaGiovanni using deepl
Every time I hear or see the company name Acme, I am reminded of being a child of the 70's and watching Wile. E. Coyote using this companies brand of products to try and destroy the Roadrunner. In each cartoon he failed every time with it usually backfiring on him in turn. I'm sure some of the younger generation has seen at least a reference to this cartoon and can only hope that at some point they can draw their own conclusions to this sign/symbol/anology?
Yeap, I think Trump may be on his own, not that he wasn't before, but now it's coming to a head, maybe more so. A serious Trump supporter mentioned at work, that she thinks there may be an attempt on his life. I can barely imagine what that would do to all the people who support him in terms of their actions.
Thank you Beau for articulating some of what I was trying to convey in a previous post about the deep seated anger. I also would like to add that the poverty too many live with, the suffering that entails, the inherited trauma from generations past that has not been dealt with and any number of other factors may also be a contributing cause. If there is not a healthy productive outlet to channel this anger, it will simmer until it boils over.
I've thought about this a lot over the last few days and as many of you who have checked the temp of the social media sites see that some are in the Black Lives Matter camp and others are in the all Lives Matter camp but I think that the correct saying is NO Lives Matter to the PTB. Maybe some of the twist and turns that will come about are the PTB absurdities will be so obvious that it will exceedingly difficult for the masses to ignore what's been in their faces for so long?
Nucifera
Dagobah Resident
Perhaps Tucker uses WaPo stats because his audience thinks them valid, so he's using a source that they trust. If one provides information on too many topics, especially if the audience isn't receptive, the point one wants to make is easily lost. Better to focus on one particular message, which already may be one more message than the audience is ready to accept. An alternative explanation is that Tucker accepts WaPo stats. He's good, on fire sometimes, but he does have a certain perspective on things. We all have biases and blind spots, and external factors can come into play, like preserving ones livelihood.
psychegram
The Living Force
Having not personally vetted the WaPo dataset, I can't personally vouch for its reliability any more than I can for any other dataset I have not personally compiled. It does, however, seem entirely consistent with FBI and DOJ statistics.
One can critique datasets endlessly, but unless one has good reason to doubt the data, it just becomes epistemic nihilism at a certain point. Are there other, contradictory datasets? More or less reliable? I don't know, though I'm not aware of any. I DO know that those insisting on the narrative of an epidemic of racial violence against minorities reliably decline to do provide any data to back up that narrative, instead relying upon emotionally manipulative rhetoric and imagery. Those who say this narrative is false do provide data.
That is a telling difference.
Nucifera
Dagobah Resident
This just in:
www.oregonlive.com
If you follow Antifa's antics, you may have heard of journalist Andy Ngo. He was attacked last June, had his camera stolen, and ended up in the hospital with a brain injury. The Portland police, the mayor/police commissioner, and the prosecutor's office have done nothing so far.
Conservative writer sues Portland antifa group for $900k, claims ‘campaign of intimidation and terror’
Andy Ngo alleges activists with ties to Rose City Antifa repeatedly beat, robbed and terrorized him for filming them in the streets.
I know, eh? I was writing at the time while struggling with a head ache and sluggish thinking; I was off form. There's often a thin line between effective prose and silly prose, and I crossed it. Luckily, my headache has passed so I can now say with confidence...
UFOs are real and Aliens are indeed the Apex predator humanity must contend with. The reason I say that is that I think it is important to not lose perspective when discussing human matters which are primed with knee-jerk high-emotion conditioned responses, (racism is a huge hot-button issue preventing clear thought for most of the populace), that the radical behaviors we are witnessing across the globe would appear to be, if all the years of research performed on this forum are at all valid, the result of a centuries-long mind programming campaign performed by hyper-dimensional forces.
I find it a useful tactic when there is a risk of losing our heads to mechanical, conditioned/manipulated thinking, to pull the camera back a notch and remember what is really going on.
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