Gold
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Guardian
The Cosmic Force
go2 said:
You keep making statements about gold like this one... which are not supported by ANY evidence, historical or otherwise. Quite the opposite in fact. Gold has been used to "coerce mankind into building and financing a war machine" since King Croesus
Again I ask, why are you so invested in spreading "gold is good" disinformation?
Psychopaths DO control the gold, and they always have, the mines, the market...ALL OF IT If you invest in gold (or the stock market, etc) you are investing in a psychopathic control mechanism.
Oh you don't have to wait, you can buy the "rope that will hang us" with gold now.
anart
A Disturbance in the Force
It might be worthwhile for those of you evidencing emotional thinking and identification in this thread to stop and examine why that is. Identification stops thinking - it always does, to one extent or another. It can be no other way. If the posts of others in this thread have triggered reactions in you, ask yourself why and continue to follow that question until you find out. In that you'll discover what program is running in the background prompting the reactions evident in this thread. fwiw.
Below is one theory I've read about how gold will be used once the dollar loses it's status as reserve currency of the world. The price of gold would supposedly hold interest rates in place. The author is a friend of Paul Volcker and I would say has more of an inside view of what is coming in terms of currencies and finance. He published more about the topic on his website but I'm unable to find it since it isn't easily searchable. He publishes a lot of information that gold is going to act like a default currency in a fiat paper world.
I watched half of 'The Secret of Oz' and plan to finish the other half this weekend. I think it really shows that anything (including gold) involved with money can be and has been taken over by TPTB and psychopaths. I don't think it is supporting psychopaths by owning precious metals. Among difficult choices in this world this is one that makes the most sense because of the financial system. I don't thing the control system likes gold or silver as an alternative to paper (not saying gold as money) since it undermines the paper money system. I think GATA has shown that gold and other precious metals have been manipulated to keep the price down. Maybe so all those with a lot of paper money can grab it all up, but their contention has been that if the price of gold goes up, it exposes the paper systems flaws by showing inflation, which really should have already reached hyperinflation if many countries in the world didn't flood the system with liquidity. Of course this bailed out the banks, etc and left the little guy jobless, etc.
I'm also going to branch out and recently joined a Consumer Supported Agriculture (CSA) farm that I hope to volunteer at and who knows maybe I'll learn enough about farming to start a farm some day or do well enough to seek employment there. Should be interesting and moving toward investing my time and money into something less supportive of the control system.
http://www.commodityonline.com/news/Dollar-has-died-Gold-is-the-new-currency-king-18008-3-1.html
I watched half of 'The Secret of Oz' and plan to finish the other half this weekend. I think it really shows that anything (including gold) involved with money can be and has been taken over by TPTB and psychopaths. I don't think it is supporting psychopaths by owning precious metals. Among difficult choices in this world this is one that makes the most sense because of the financial system. I don't thing the control system likes gold or silver as an alternative to paper (not saying gold as money) since it undermines the paper money system. I think GATA has shown that gold and other precious metals have been manipulated to keep the price down. Maybe so all those with a lot of paper money can grab it all up, but their contention has been that if the price of gold goes up, it exposes the paper systems flaws by showing inflation, which really should have already reached hyperinflation if many countries in the world didn't flood the system with liquidity. Of course this bailed out the banks, etc and left the little guy jobless, etc.
I'm also going to branch out and recently joined a Consumer Supported Agriculture (CSA) farm that I hope to volunteer at and who knows maybe I'll learn enough about farming to start a farm some day or do well enough to seek employment there. Should be interesting and moving toward investing my time and money into something less supportive of the control system.
http://www.commodityonline.com/news/Dollar-has-died-Gold-is-the-new-currency-king-18008-3-1.html
Anart said:
Thank you Anart. You are entirely right. I apologize to all I insulted. Frankly, it seems mean when I sit here this afternoon. Its time to redouble the effort to self remember,
as identification occurs most often in areas where I think I have a little knowledge. I will reread the thread and examine my posts and context. It looks like self righteousness might be a good place to start. Thanks again for waking me from my sleep, Anart.
Personally, I see the alternative media's fixation on gold as being the cure to the fiat fractional reserve system to be wishful thinking. Ask Medieval, Roman, or Egyptian peasants how well the gold standard worked for them. Their vision of "fair money" was probably something besides gold. I agree with Bear that the PTB prefer the paper system to gold, but the paper system has the one disadvantage that it requires a massive amount of infrastructure to maintain. If the PTB are indeed anticipating some kind of civilization shattering event, they know how to game the system both ways and have a looong history manipulating gold.
Sure, gold has some advantages, governments can't print it, it was the world's "reserve money" long before the US dollar was even conceived, and a true 100% gold standard system would eliminate the obscene profits generated by the fractional reserve banking system. These strengths, in many respects, are also gold's weaknesses. While it can't be printed, it is quite rare. Even if you believe that the PTB are sitting on some gold in idle mines, the fact that 4D STS critters seem to have a profound interest in our gold supplies speaks volumes. The first fatal flaw is that the supply of gold is relatively constant, and in any type of economic system remotely resembling free enterprise, the economy must suffer perpetual deflation when GDP grows. We know from our modern economic misadventures that when there is deflation, consumers sit on the sidelines and horde money because they know it will be worth more tomorrow than it is today. As people buy as few goods as they can and hold off purchases, other people become more desperate for gold and the prices of real goods and services drops faster. This inevitably leads to a cycle of depressions followed by brief booms when the elite decide to reflate the economy. The elite will merely tax or gouge the majority as much as possible until they have secured most of the gold and only start buying when they have decided that there has been enough deflation to suit them. In addition, if some of these elites own an idle gold mine, they will become even richer during the deflationary collapse than they would just selling the gold normally. Then it starts all over. Of course, it would be impossible to maintain a stable society that is constantly being rowed back and forth between such extremes. So most ancient economies were pegged to the size of the money supply (tons of gold in circulation) and it didn't really matter how much innovation, talent, natural resources, or technology was available; if there isn't an increase in the supply of gold, the economy just isn't going to grow and that's just all there is to it. In addition, as long as the society has political borders, neighboring regions will be enticed to plunder each other's gold supplies, because after domestic mines have been exhausted, it is one of the only ways to legitimately increase the money supply. If all of this sounds a lot like today, that's because it is. Scarcity, combined with the elite manipulating the natural flow of money around the economy created pockets of war and desperation that basically made European history just a chronicle of ways, in my opinion. Interestingly, in a gold backed system, wars of aggression are somewhat justifiable from an economics standpoint because more gold=more growth. Perhaps the symptoms of these now subtle details are what Guardian was referring to when she spoke of the intrinsic "discord" that comes with gold.
In a fiat money system, there really shouldn't be any expansionist policies because the society should be able to create enough money to gurantee full employment, at a minimum. I think this is what initially made Capitalism so attractive to early economic philosophers. The concept of a medium of exchange that could be produced in limitless quantities finally freed society from the limitations provided by gold. As long as the money supply montained a rational relationship with productive capacity, an economy should never have to deal with financial hardship of any type and national growth could be somewhat decoupled from the possession of physical wealth. I'm sure this isn't what the PTB had in mind, and they quickly used the hook of inflation to keep consumers from being able to acquire too much physical wealth. Early proponents of Capitalism were just naive dupes that didn't see the ponerogenic processes behind the new system. I suppose this is why Ponerology is so important, because any system can be ponerized. In the new system, physical wealth would become too expensive for people to have, while in the old system it became so cheap that the elite could basically extort it from anyone who needed to make a living. I guess this demonstrates how inflation and deflation are two sides of the same coin and how the PTB can use both to twist the masses to their ends.
The only real difference between the two systems that I see is that the fractional reserve system is basically the old system with a turbocharger. Now the elite can not only control the flow of money, they can also control how much money is in existence. All of the other opaque mechanisms that are used to goose the markets make it a finer degree of control than ever before. In spite of this, the new system is built on the foundations of the old. We are still on a quasi-gold standard because whenever the fiat system is under strain, all eyes begin to focus on gold. Gold increasingly has the power to break the system as its fradulent nature becomes increasingly blatantly obvious. We seem to be entering one of the collapse phases that may just take down civilization as we know it, and the PTB are being forced to reinstitute the old system with a few technological enhancements. In keeping with the original idea of this thread, whether or not gold is a good investment, it probably will be in the medium term, as the inflation of the new system leads us into the deflation of the old system. I see no reason why the value of gold shouldn't skyrocket while the PTB wait on the sidelines until their gold is valuable enough to reflate the entire economy, at which point they will be able to quite openly buy the entire planet. However, as our planet moves past the NWO conspiracy stage and into the more woo-woo stuff, gold is likely to become less important.
You could argue that we could introduce silver and copper as additional monetary metals that are more common than gold and difficult to monopolize, but the fact of the matter stilll remains that the market can still be cornered and certain greedy individuals will be able to slowly but surely form an oligarchy. It would be like raising reserve requirements from 10:1 to 5:1. It will slow down the game, but the result is still the same. One can "declare all the worlds resources public propertiy of all humanity," as suggested in the Zeitgeist movies, but as long as we are STS or can't tell STS from STO, we will always find ourselves in this pyramid scheme to greater or lesser degrees. Until we learn the lessons, and we learn them well, we are doomed to repeat them. All that I have stated above is striclty 3D linear thinking. If the story of the loaves and the fishes was based on some paleolithic technology, it might give us some insight into the technology of the future. The Cassiopaeans have told us that the universe is infinite and that we must learn to "think in absolutely limitless terms." If this is true, it seems that STS has limited our thinking to such a degree that we have become convinced that infinity is finite. Perhaps the economics of the future is based upon one's Knowledge and Being and how one relates to the universe. One can simply manifest all that is needed. While the cosmic environment may not be quite right for this kind of thinking just yet, I think it is interesting food for thought that one of the central problems of human existence, dealing with scarcity, may not really exist at all.
Sure, gold has some advantages, governments can't print it, it was the world's "reserve money" long before the US dollar was even conceived, and a true 100% gold standard system would eliminate the obscene profits generated by the fractional reserve banking system. These strengths, in many respects, are also gold's weaknesses. While it can't be printed, it is quite rare. Even if you believe that the PTB are sitting on some gold in idle mines, the fact that 4D STS critters seem to have a profound interest in our gold supplies speaks volumes. The first fatal flaw is that the supply of gold is relatively constant, and in any type of economic system remotely resembling free enterprise, the economy must suffer perpetual deflation when GDP grows. We know from our modern economic misadventures that when there is deflation, consumers sit on the sidelines and horde money because they know it will be worth more tomorrow than it is today. As people buy as few goods as they can and hold off purchases, other people become more desperate for gold and the prices of real goods and services drops faster. This inevitably leads to a cycle of depressions followed by brief booms when the elite decide to reflate the economy. The elite will merely tax or gouge the majority as much as possible until they have secured most of the gold and only start buying when they have decided that there has been enough deflation to suit them. In addition, if some of these elites own an idle gold mine, they will become even richer during the deflationary collapse than they would just selling the gold normally. Then it starts all over. Of course, it would be impossible to maintain a stable society that is constantly being rowed back and forth between such extremes. So most ancient economies were pegged to the size of the money supply (tons of gold in circulation) and it didn't really matter how much innovation, talent, natural resources, or technology was available; if there isn't an increase in the supply of gold, the economy just isn't going to grow and that's just all there is to it. In addition, as long as the society has political borders, neighboring regions will be enticed to plunder each other's gold supplies, because after domestic mines have been exhausted, it is one of the only ways to legitimately increase the money supply. If all of this sounds a lot like today, that's because it is. Scarcity, combined with the elite manipulating the natural flow of money around the economy created pockets of war and desperation that basically made European history just a chronicle of ways, in my opinion. Interestingly, in a gold backed system, wars of aggression are somewhat justifiable from an economics standpoint because more gold=more growth. Perhaps the symptoms of these now subtle details are what Guardian was referring to when she spoke of the intrinsic "discord" that comes with gold.
In a fiat money system, there really shouldn't be any expansionist policies because the society should be able to create enough money to gurantee full employment, at a minimum. I think this is what initially made Capitalism so attractive to early economic philosophers. The concept of a medium of exchange that could be produced in limitless quantities finally freed society from the limitations provided by gold. As long as the money supply montained a rational relationship with productive capacity, an economy should never have to deal with financial hardship of any type and national growth could be somewhat decoupled from the possession of physical wealth. I'm sure this isn't what the PTB had in mind, and they quickly used the hook of inflation to keep consumers from being able to acquire too much physical wealth. Early proponents of Capitalism were just naive dupes that didn't see the ponerogenic processes behind the new system. I suppose this is why Ponerology is so important, because any system can be ponerized. In the new system, physical wealth would become too expensive for people to have, while in the old system it became so cheap that the elite could basically extort it from anyone who needed to make a living. I guess this demonstrates how inflation and deflation are two sides of the same coin and how the PTB can use both to twist the masses to their ends.
The only real difference between the two systems that I see is that the fractional reserve system is basically the old system with a turbocharger. Now the elite can not only control the flow of money, they can also control how much money is in existence. All of the other opaque mechanisms that are used to goose the markets make it a finer degree of control than ever before. In spite of this, the new system is built on the foundations of the old. We are still on a quasi-gold standard because whenever the fiat system is under strain, all eyes begin to focus on gold. Gold increasingly has the power to break the system as its fradulent nature becomes increasingly blatantly obvious. We seem to be entering one of the collapse phases that may just take down civilization as we know it, and the PTB are being forced to reinstitute the old system with a few technological enhancements. In keeping with the original idea of this thread, whether or not gold is a good investment, it probably will be in the medium term, as the inflation of the new system leads us into the deflation of the old system. I see no reason why the value of gold shouldn't skyrocket while the PTB wait on the sidelines until their gold is valuable enough to reflate the entire economy, at which point they will be able to quite openly buy the entire planet. However, as our planet moves past the NWO conspiracy stage and into the more woo-woo stuff, gold is likely to become less important.
You could argue that we could introduce silver and copper as additional monetary metals that are more common than gold and difficult to monopolize, but the fact of the matter stilll remains that the market can still be cornered and certain greedy individuals will be able to slowly but surely form an oligarchy. It would be like raising reserve requirements from 10:1 to 5:1. It will slow down the game, but the result is still the same. One can "declare all the worlds resources public propertiy of all humanity," as suggested in the Zeitgeist movies, but as long as we are STS or can't tell STS from STO, we will always find ourselves in this pyramid scheme to greater or lesser degrees. Until we learn the lessons, and we learn them well, we are doomed to repeat them. All that I have stated above is striclty 3D linear thinking. If the story of the loaves and the fishes was based on some paleolithic technology, it might give us some insight into the technology of the future. The Cassiopaeans have told us that the universe is infinite and that we must learn to "think in absolutely limitless terms." If this is true, it seems that STS has limited our thinking to such a degree that we have become convinced that infinity is finite. Perhaps the economics of the future is based upon one's Knowledge and Being and how one relates to the universe. One can simply manifest all that is needed. While the cosmic environment may not be quite right for this kind of thinking just yet, I think it is interesting food for thought that one of the central problems of human existence, dealing with scarcity, may not really exist at all.
Buddy
The Living Force
Hi Neil. Well written post!
Which is why the psychopaths and other 'STS non-creative' dynamics need to be exposed to the light of day?
Yep. STO creates. STS cannot create. When STS acts at all, it destroys something. When the perceptual filters dissolve, people will see that. Hopefully. :)
Interestingly, and from my view, the story of the loaves and fishes wasn't the only attempt to communicate a certain idea. There is also stuff like this:
(96) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a certain woman. She took a little leaven, concealed it in some dough, and made it into large loaves. Let him who has ears hear."
Source: _http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html
I'm placing my bet on some kind of nature-inspired fractal generator or whatnot. Fractal patterns running in the generating direction, producing large amounts of superficial detail out of a small amount of seed data. See a fern leaf for an example from nature, OSIT.
Well, as I see it, scarcity does and doesn't exist. It depends on who you are and what you can see. STO creates. There are many, many examples of people whose financial or other problems have disappeared when they created something people actually needed and broadcast it far and wide. STO doesn't need to live in scarcity, because it balances an existing imbalance and when the system adjusts to create new imbalances, more creation opportunities become possible.
On the other hand, STS cannot create. STS destroys (on net). Since it destroys, it lives in scarcity and a constant threat of scarcity, so it must hoard. Further, STS must teach scarcity so that people see their hoarding as good and necessary. Because STS cannot create.
Ideas that address how to create a new world have been like bees in my bonnet for some time now; especially since we realized that, as a group, we really don't know the how. But continued learning is making some lessons increasingly clearer.
In a historical context, it seems that where problems have actually been solved, there have been people who examined the current understandings - looking deeper and deeper to find the source for an illusion of separateness, or to find a level that unifies differences of one sort or another. Something like what Myron Tribus and L. Costa de Beuregard did when they managed to extract 10% more energy from a gas turbine engine in an engineering discipline that was already mostly mature by 1974. They did it by looking deep enough to learn that Claude Shannon's Information Theory 'entropy' and thermodynamic energy 'entropy' was the exact same thing!
Practical experience with all that hard work on those new turbines made the point quite well, that adopting a more Beysian framework for theories and replacing "undefined" with "is it allowable?" is not just some logical nicety. It can lead to an understanding of unity that didn't exist before and solve real problems that do exist, OSIT.
Just some thoughts that could be off a bit here or there.
Neil said:
Which is why the psychopaths and other 'STS non-creative' dynamics need to be exposed to the light of day?
Neil said:
Yep. STO creates. STS cannot create. When STS acts at all, it destroys something. When the perceptual filters dissolve, people will see that. Hopefully. :)
Neil said:
Interestingly, and from my view, the story of the loaves and fishes wasn't the only attempt to communicate a certain idea. There is also stuff like this:
(96) Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a certain woman. She took a little leaven, concealed it in some dough, and made it into large loaves. Let him who has ears hear."
Source: _http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gthlamb.html
I'm placing my bet on some kind of nature-inspired fractal generator or whatnot. Fractal patterns running in the generating direction, producing large amounts of superficial detail out of a small amount of seed data. See a fern leaf for an example from nature, OSIT.
Neil said:
Well, as I see it, scarcity does and doesn't exist. It depends on who you are and what you can see. STO creates. There are many, many examples of people whose financial or other problems have disappeared when they created something people actually needed and broadcast it far and wide. STO doesn't need to live in scarcity, because it balances an existing imbalance and when the system adjusts to create new imbalances, more creation opportunities become possible.
On the other hand, STS cannot create. STS destroys (on net). Since it destroys, it lives in scarcity and a constant threat of scarcity, so it must hoard. Further, STS must teach scarcity so that people see their hoarding as good and necessary. Because STS cannot create.
Ideas that address how to create a new world have been like bees in my bonnet for some time now; especially since we realized that, as a group, we really don't know the how. But continued learning is making some lessons increasingly clearer.
In a historical context, it seems that where problems have actually been solved, there have been people who examined the current understandings - looking deeper and deeper to find the source for an illusion of separateness, or to find a level that unifies differences of one sort or another. Something like what Myron Tribus and L. Costa de Beuregard did when they managed to extract 10% more energy from a gas turbine engine in an engineering discipline that was already mostly mature by 1974. They did it by looking deep enough to learn that Claude Shannon's Information Theory 'entropy' and thermodynamic energy 'entropy' was the exact same thing!
Practical experience with all that hard work on those new turbines made the point quite well, that adopting a more Beysian framework for theories and replacing "undefined" with "is it allowable?" is not just some logical nicety. It can lead to an understanding of unity that didn't exist before and solve real problems that do exist, OSIT.
Just some thoughts that could be off a bit here or there.
Neil said:
Hi Neil, I see you have thought about the subject of gold and scarcity in our world. I would like to think about one of your first statements concerning scarcity of gold and then your last remark that scarcity may not exist at all. This idea of scarcity frames your central thesis which I read to say that gold cannot meet the transactional, savings, and value measuring requirements of humanity because it is scarce. Let’s look at the available gold figures.
There is approximately 160,000 tons of physical gold mined. That is 5,100,000,000 ounces of gold. There are 6,700,000,000 people on the planet. That is .71 ounces per person. There are 28 grams per ounce. That is 19.88 grams of gold per person on the planet. Is that quite rare? It depends on what we are talking about, doesn’t it.
So, we know how much gold is available per person on the planet. How much money is required to fulfill mankind’s money needs? We know that world GDP is 50 Trillion USD per year. So we have 5 billion ounces of gold and 50 Trillion USD of GDP. Lets relate these gold and GDP. There is 10,000USD of GDP per gold ounce per year. Is this sufficient for gold to be a transactional currency? Remember the velocity of money and don’t forget the price of gold it arbitrary. That the price of gold is arbitrary is the key. PTB have concealed and rejected this key as they used state power to fix the price of gold. This caused scarcity of gold. The PTB fixed the price and hid this fact to control money.
It is a lie of the PTB that gold is so rare that it cannot serve the money needs of mankind. I think you are right, scarcity does not exist. Scarcity is a word used to steal. We can’t see the simple lie of the PTB. The lie is that gold is scarce and cannot serve the money function. Is this making sense, Neil?
Now a quote from Professor Antal Fekete on gold’s properties which make it an ideal medium for mankind’s money needs and why tyrants hate gold.
http://www.professorfekete.com/articles%5CAEFGoldVanishingIntoPrivateHoards.pdf said:
So, to move on to another topic on which I would be interested to hear your thoughts.
We know money serves three functions. It is a transactional unit. It is a measure of relative value in the mind. It must serve as store of value. Does this definition of money agree with your study?
Today the State and the Central Banks decree the USD to be money. Is the USD money? It can be used to buy and sell, so it serves the transactional function. Does is measure? Not very well, a USD has shrunk about 75% against gold in the last decade and less against other items but you see the point, the dollar is elastic. Can we accept an elastic measuring unit? Does the USD serve as a store of value? We know it is shrinking in buying power. It fails the definition of money. How can it be money if it fails the definition of money?
PTB have used lies and violence to force us to accept a fraudulent definition of money. The fraud of definition permits a hidden tax on our labor and production. The war machine needs one trillion USD per year to control humanity by violence. Where is the money coming from to finance destruction of human labor and life on a grand scale? From the lie that the USD is money and that gold is scarce!
OK…..governments of the people will never give up fiat money (USD) for transactions. It works pretty well for buying and selling. You just don’t want to keep it around too long. The government will need some money to operate at a reduced level to be sure and they can tax the transactional fiat which we use to buy and sell.
What about the other two functions of money? Have you considered the possibility of separating the functions of money? Why not separate the measuring function and the saving function of money from the transactional money? Can gold serve for the measuring and storing function of money without the problem of shrinkage or to be accurate, stealing by deception and police power? A gold gram is a gold gram anytime and everywhere. Gold is a stable element and a gram is always a gram. Gold could be relied upon to measure accurately year after year anyplace. How about storing value? Gold properties make it easy to store and difficult to counterfeit, either by crooks or by the state. Fiat for transactional money and gold for measure and store of value might be a solution for all interests coming to this table. What are your thoughts of this possibility? Don’t forget the price of gold is arbitrary. The price would be determined by the value the mind of man places on a saving function which is practically eternal.
The Euro is fiat and the European Central Banks hold gold as 61% of their reserve asset. They have already split the functions of money. Other countries have fiat transactional currencies but often hold the USD as their reserve asset. Can you see the problem for institutions and individuals whose reserves or saving are in USD? Some of these interests are power possessing individuals and institutions who are being robbed as surely as the baby boomer’s pension funds. How do you face a force consuming humanity? Perhaps gold is the answer to avoid war by replacing the USD which is the funding mechanism for the war machine. Do you think my thoughts are only wishful thinking?
Bud said:
Hi Bud, Your non-zero sum game opened some new associations in the brain last night. Do you think we need a mechanism to store and move surplus creation into the future and to another place? Does mankind need a saving medium or do you think saving surplus is STS? It seems to me a man must save in his productive years to provide for old age, illness, children’s education, to build home or a bridge in ten years or infinite other future needs. Would gold serve as a store of surplus to prevent STS appropriating the surplus for destruction?
Buddy
The Living Force
go2 said:
Hi go2. Something about those questions was disturbing me. I had to figure out what it was before answering.
It seems to me, the questions depend on certain assumptions about the state of general society and the world economy in the coming future?
While I don't anticipate any particular future (as far as I know), I do find that I am in 'expectant mode'. I feel like I'm expecting things to change significantly and the impressions I get seem to point to personal growth and development as being more important at this time. IOW, a clear-headed and non-invested state allowing flexibility to respond to weird conditions and a presence that is based on an ability to see and respond appropriately to various possibilities.
At this time, when/if I have 'surplus' I expect that I will likely invest in people who are working, in some way or other, to create a new world. Perhaps I may also invest in property that will allow the growth of food or provide affordable housing for people who need it. 'Surplus' income from that can be re-invested in entrepreneurs struggling to create something needed by others, including jobs. I may even look into alternative currencies and look at what other people in other places are trying to do. IOW, the things that appeal to me the most, suggest that I intend 'surplus' to be working for the benefit of others some way or other, or within easy reach to finance further efforts.
The 'others' I refer to, of course, are people who are also trying to live, prosper and benefit others.
With regard to those who delight in sucking up values and offering nothing in return, I minimize my exposure in all the relevant contexts and where I take a loss, I don't cry about it, or if I do, I just try to learn my lesson, move on and incorporate it into what I do next. Looked at that way, even this Work is a non-zero sum game. You cannot ever lose. :)
But I don't know everything...or nearly enough, really, so I will leave things open for last minute changes.
BTW, there's not some deeper part of you actually planning on being helpless and dependent in the years to come, is there?
Gimpy
The Living Force
Guardian said:
Aya, there is a reason the common folk of ancient Mexico called gold "The gods excrement". (I can find the exact quote after my craft room is finished with the reorganization.)
What is gold, exactly? Its metal. What is a diamond? Its a rock, and not a very pretty rock unless its cut just right. Gold, as a metal, is too soft to be of much use unless its used in art, or electronics.
If the world is to be rebuilt, why base it on the same idiocy that runs this one?
Money is a destructive concept in our current STS world. It needs a change at the roots, so that it comes from creative energy and not entropic....just repeating the old patterns with the same substances will not get us there.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
Guardian
The Cosmic Force
Neil said:
Wishful thinking or a conscious scam? Modern technology makes counterfeiting gold fairly easy to do....and if the banking system/market collapses...who's going to be assaying gold, especially in remote regions?
It takes an expert to determine if gold bars and/or coins are authentic. The msm intentionally ignores the HUGE number of fake gold (and silver) coins already being dumped on the American and Euro markets. By some estimates, as many as half the modern gold and silver coins being purchased by average citizens as a "safety net" in case of economic collapse are in fact counterfeit.
There's even some folks who think the gold in Ft. Knox is counterfeit.
http://viewzone2.com/fakegoldx.html
http://coins.about.com/od/worldcoins/ig/Chinese-Counterfeiting-Ring/index_t.htm
_http://www.emirates247.com/markets/gold/tons-of-gold-imports-turn-to-dust-on-arrival-2010-08-15-1.279082
_http://www.panamalaw.org/counterfeit_gold_coins_and_bars.html
_http://www.popsci.com/diy/article/2008-03/how-make-convincing-fake-gold-bars
