Gold

[Ca.]

The money changers, and where it has lead the U.S.of A., it's current condition, and to where it may be heading tomorrow.
Gold is the root of the video and it's manipulative powers, that it is employed the by psychopath PTB.

The Secret of Oz
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTcyMjM1MjE2.html

 

[Guardian]

No, gold has value in the minds of men and women who accept it in exchange for labor and goods. This is true for a large fraction of humanity.

Yes....that would be the large sleeping fraction of humanity.

The soul is corrupted by desire and illusion from within. Gold is a stable element and outside the soul.

A natural element that is "outside the soul?" Alrighty then... I'm guessing you're still convinced that you're somehow "separate" from the rest of nature?

It is true gold attracts the mind. It is hope for the soul.

If your soul hopes for wealth and gold, you've already made your choice.

Indian traditional ways have much to emulate and consider, but their traditions with respect to exchange, measuring value, and saving are suited to small tribal communities.

Exactly ...their traditions don't work for large psychopathic corporations/governments, whereas your (completely unnecessary) system of "exchange, measuring value, and saving" works quite well for your masters.

Gold serves a function for STO.

Very true...it makes STS agendas much easier to spot

It can serve to avoid looting of our labor by STS.

No it can't....it's just as well controlled as the rest of their tools. You will have as much PHYSICAL wealth as they want you to have to serve their purposes...converting it to gold just makes you an easier ping.

Fear and illusion are properties of the sleeping mind, not properties of gold.

Only a sleeping mind truly values gold.

I count thirty-one hot links on this thread, only four links to gold dealers, and an additional eight links to sites with gold advertisers. It is necessary to be accurate to avoid emotional bias and false deduction.

I only read the first few pages of your "buy gold" propaganda .....I don't need to read the entire Washington Post to know what's behind the publishing of it.

There are many answers to your excellent question. What is your answer to this question?

To continue to weave the ILLUSION that the hoarding of physical wealth is desirable...to create FALSE "hope for the soul."

Mankind needs a means to measure and store value.

Why? So you can accumulate more that someone else? Is it a contest? If so...of whose making?

Gold is the means determined by billions of human minds over millennium.

Oh yeah... and they've been doing such a great job thus far we should keep that money train chugging along.

It is worse than that, Guardian. People love their chains.

Yup, I've noticed that.

The way out is hard and dangerous work.

I've noticed that too.

Take time to consider all points of view,

No. I'm not going to do that.... olddddd psychopath trick.

especially your own.

Oh well yeah...like we've got an option on that one?

Our automatic reactions and our unconsidered beliefs are chains more terrible than debt. We cannot see the chains which deceive our mind. We need a network to point out those terrible chains.

Then there are times when all it takes is a bright 6 year old. ;)

Gold is not a chain.

Well technically, I think it would be much closer to an anchor.... but "chain" is certainly close enough for government work.
go2 I know EXACTLY what gold is, and how it is being used. For some reason, you're dedicated to convincing others to hang an elemental millstone around their necks....and you desire a SOTT article which promotes hoarding gold as an attractive method of ensuring one's physical comfort for as long as possible. Why do you want to preserve these old STS "value" concepts so badly? Why do you keep encouraging people to "invest" in one of the the most effective STS control mechanisms ever created?

 

[Guardian]

Me? I'd rather do whats in me to do and get on with things. ;D

Those who share what they have will always have what they need :)

 

[Guardian]

The money changers, and where it has lead the U.S.of A., it's current condition, and to where it may be heading tomorrow.
Gold is the root of the video and it's manipulative powers, that it is employed the by psychopath PTB.

The Secret of Oz
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTcyMjM1MjE2.html

Ohhhhh...nice sacred cow barbecue ... Thanx :)

 

[Ca.]

Posted on: Today at 08:04:09 AMPosted by: Guardian

Those who share what they have will always have what they need

Ditto!

 

[Al Today]

The oldest upholders of the System tend to go for weapons and painkillers, by the way. (Guns, ammo, and morphine is what my Dad called it.)

Good grief Gimpy. I know you don't know, but Thank You for smacking me in the face with a wake up call. I've been trying so, so very hard to live without pain meds and centering on physical survival.. AND now you bring up a great big great fear program of mine. I dunno how i could've been so naive and self centered to not think these thoughts are so prevalent. Excuse me, I just had to say this...

edit: I hadn't read this thread. But now that i have, I have had eyes open to what y'all post. I never thought to derive so many multiple epiphanies, awakening remembrances from a so-called economic issue.

 

[SilverJeep]

Those who share what they have will always have what they need :)

Unless you share with someone that will take all you have. ...and then kill you.

Your quote sounds like an Obama campaign soundbite.

 

[Ca.]

Posted by: SilverJeep
Today at 08:36:37 AMPosted by: SilverJeep

Unless you share with someone that will take all you have. ...and then kill you.
Your quote sounds like an Obama campaign soundbite.

September 28, 2002
Ark, Laura, AM, BT

Q: Hello.
A: Hello!
Q: And who do we have with us this evening?
A: Ropponiea.
Q: And where do you transmit through?
A: Cassiopaea.
Q: [Laura asks for door to be opened as she suddenly feels great heat.]
A: Life is religion.
Q: (L) What does that mean?
A: Life experiences reflect how one interacts with God. Those who are asleep are those of little faith in terms of their interaction with the creation. Some people think that the world exists for them to overcome or ignore or shut out. For those individuals, the worlds will cease. They will become exactly what they give to life. They will become merely a dream in the "past." People who pay strict attention to objective reality right and left, become the reality of the "Future."
Q: (L) In this recent incident with JN, I have a few questions. Apparently, she was "hearing" things differently than I was, and I was reading things that she wrote with a certain perspective that does not seem to have accurately represented what she meant. She had said "you don't pay attention to the confusion, you just do what you came here to do." I understood this in a completely different context. From her perspective, "paying no attention to the confusion all around and doing what you came here to do" essentially amounted to discovering the ways and means to "ascend" by overcoming and ignoring and shutting out the world. To me, "pay no attention to the confusion" means to pay close attention to what is going on, but not to be confused by it, to see the reality in the midst of the confusion. (AM) Any new knowledge a person comes in contact with can cause confusion until you come to terms with the reality of it. (L) The important thing seems to be to not dwell on the "confusion" aspect, but to concentrate on learning the knowledge that is buried in the confusion. Trying to understand what it is you need to learn. JN's idea was that if it causes confusion, you are supposed to shut it ALL out, pay no attention to any of it, and just concentrate on feeling peaceful. That's the same thing Whitley Strieber was saying: "The only freedom you will have is inside yourself." I guess, because those are the things I have been mulling over, this may be what is the stimulus for the C's opening remarks. Is that in response to the concerns in my mind?
A: More or less.
Q: (L) The other thing I was thinking about is the teaching that you are supposed to withdraw into some kind of monastic life in order to grow spiritually. What I have observed is that the world is exactly what is needed to learn the lessons of existence. Anybody who thinks that, in order to be spiritual, they have to go off to a monastery, or meditate, or follow this or that so-called "spiritual practice," are turning away the greatest interaction with God and creation imaginable. They are throwing away a great gift. By living in the world, and striving to see the spirit in things, one can accomplish so much more than if they go off to a monastery where there are no distractions, no real tests of balance or seeing. It's more religious, I think, to be in the world and be able to see and experience "spirit" than most people realize. The real world is where we fit. It is where we are born. And if we try to escape this lesson, we just come back over and over again. (A) Maybe that IS their world? Maybe escaping to a monastery or ignoring or shutting out the world IS what is right for them. (AJ) But, the question is, whether we learn to undestand the world around us. Some people don't care about understanding the world. They are effectively saying: "it's holier to not care about the world, it's your business - we just want to ignore it." (L) And they become the memory of the past - primal matter - they recycle. The very fact that we ARE in this realm means that this is where we fit. And it seems that the only way to move to the next level is to grow. And that means to take full cognizance of the medium of growth, to learn about the realm, learn how to be spiritual in the realm where you are. Grow where you are planted, but always toward the light.
A: Home is where the heart is.

 

[Guardian]

Unless you share with someone that will take all you have. ...and then kill you.

Your quote sounds like an Obama campaign soundbite.

Yes it does...what a pity he didn't mean it.

SilverJeep, your quote sounds like it comes from someone who seriously fears death? Dying really isn't anything to live in terror of hon....it's kinda like being born, only backwards. :)

 

[go2]

Hi Guardian,

Can you see one can buy gold from hope and responsibility and not only from fear and greed? If you can see the possibility you will understand my perspective.
I understand and agree with your observations from your perspective. Your perspective assumes fear and greed are the only possible motive for owning gold.

 

[RyanX]

I didn't see this discussed in this thread yet, but John Keel talks about gold in The Eighth Tower and how it might relate to hyper-dimensional realities.

[quote author=Keel 8th Tower]
The widespread use of gold in religious artifacts may be
of special significance. Gold is a useless metal. It is too soft
to be used in tools or cookware. It is also rare and difficult to
mine and extract, especially for primitive peoples. But from
the earliest times gold was regarded as a sacred metal, and
men who encountered gods were ordered to supply it. Over
and over again the Bible tells us how men were instructed to
create solid gold objects and leave them on mountain tops
where the gods could get them. The gods were gold hungry.
But why?

Gold is an excellent conductor of electricity and is a heavy
meal, ranking close to mercury and lead on the atomic scale.
We could simplify things by saying that the atoms of gold,
element 79, are packed closely together. If the ancient gods
were real in some sense, they may have come from a spacetime
continuum so different from ours that their atomic
structure was different. They could walk through walls because
their atoms were able to pass through the atoms of stone.
Gold was one of the few earthly substances dense enough for
them to handle. If they sat in a wooden chair, they would
sink through it. They needed gold furniture during their visits.

Long before money was invented, gold was regarded as a
sacred metal. Everyone from the Vikings to the Aztecs broke
their backs mining the stuff to furnish their temples and holy
places. Priests, and only priests, wore fancy gold breastplates.
The roofs of all temples, pagodas, chortens, and churches
were lovingly covered with gold leaf. These gleaming roofs
flashing in the sunlight can be seen for miles away from the
air. A god soaring in his flying saucer could spot them easily
and know that on holy days the entire population of the surrounding
area could be found gathered under them. Or a beam
of cosmic energy seeking human minds to reprogram could
zero in on those golden-antennae easily.
[/quote]

The C's also mention that certain metals have different "properties" in 4D. I believe they mentioned copper as a source for making 4D "weapons", whatever those are.

[quote author=session 010820]Q: What group mined the copper in northern
Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Michigan, like in Isle Royale?
A: Aryans.
Q: What did they want the copper for?
A: Weapons.
Q: Wouldn't iron make better weapons?
A: Not in 4th density.
[/quote]

I thought I would mention this. It seems that gold may have greater value than just their technological applications and uses as an exchange medium. Maybe having large amounts of gold in one's home acts as a 4D beacon of sorts as Keel suggests?

 

[SilverJeep]

Unless you share with someone that will take all you have. ...and then kill you.

Your quote sounds like an Obama campaign soundbite.

Yes it does...what a pity he didn't mean it.

SilverJeep, your quote sounds like it comes from someone who seriously fears death? Dying really isn't anything to live in terror of hon....it's kinda like being born, only backwards. :)

Has nothing to do with me. I'm trying to understand your statement.

"Those who share what they have will always have what they need."

That might be true if there were no psycopaths in the world. Seriously, are you saying that if you share all you have and you are beaten, raped and murdered, you got what you needed?

If you think this is about my fear of death, let's take "death" out and say; beaten, raped, robbed and left with nothing. Is that what you needed?

 

[MichaelM]

Hi Guardian,

Can you see one can buy gold from hope and responsibility and not only from fear and greed? If you can see the possibility you will understand my perspective.
I understand and agree with your observations from your perspective. Your perspective assumes fear and greed are the only possible motive for owning gold.

Hi go2. I think it is the other way around. Guardian understands "your side" of the argument than you do "his side".
When you distill all the reasoning/justification for owning gold to just the essential reasons, ONLY fear and greed are the reasons for owning gold.
As far as I know, on this 3D world, gold would not be of any use other than as a means of exchange. Provided the person you want to exchange stuff with for your gold also shares your views of what gold should be valued at.
But when the time comes when you have gold and I have land, and water and canned sardines and what not, I wouldn't trade my stuff for your gold. Unless I know of a person who had more/better stuff and has a high regard for gold.

If you can't grok that idea, substitute "gold" with whatever other item that has a subjective value attached to it but is of no utilitarian use apart from being a means of exchange. Items that come to mind are art (who needs are if you're dying of thirst or hunger?), collectible bric-a-brac, federal reserve notes.

 

[MichaelM]

Unless you share with someone that will take all you have. ...and then kill you.

Your quote sounds like an Obama campaign soundbite.

Yes it does...what a pity he didn't mean it.

SilverJeep, your quote sounds like it comes from someone who seriously fears death? Dying really isn't anything to live in terror of hon....it's kinda like being born, only backwards. :)

Has nothing to do with me. I'm trying to understand your statement.

"Those who share what they have will always have what they need."

That might be true if there were no psycopaths in the world. Seriously, are you saying that if you share all you have and you are beaten, raped and murdered, you got what you needed?

If you think this is about my fear of death, let's take "death" out and say; beaten, raped, robbed and left with nothing. Is that what you needed?

Hi Silver Jeep,

I could be wrong, but I'm reading hostility in your posts. Even considering just your posts in this thread.
It would seem like your aching for a fight. You mention "psychopaths" in your most recent post but your previous post about what Guardian quoted as sounding like an "Obama campaign soundbite" really comes across as snarky and rude and not really contributing to the discussion. I did not get the idea that you had "meant" to include "psychopaths" as part of the consideration of Guardian's quote.

I mostly agree with Guardian about the idea that, from your "Obama campaign soundbite" post that it would seem that you are fearing death. That post combined with your posts from the preparing for the ice age thread give considerable credence to the idea (that you might be afraid of dying during the anticipated troubling times ahead of us all) that Guardian posited.

Me? I'd rather do whats in me to do and get on with things. ;D

Those who share what they have will always have what they need :)

I did not get the idea that Guardian was saying share with everyone "including psychopaths that would take advantage of you". Must Guardian have taken psychopaths into consideration in that quote? Well, myself being a long time member/lurker, did understand what Guardian had meant.
For those who have read the material, we understand that psychopathy must be a constant consideration for everything. Or almost everything.
It doesn't mean that we should always inject consideration for psychopathy in every quote.

Do you go around your daily business of constantly saying "remember to consider the psychopaths!" in every conversation you have? How about in your previous posts about other topics?
I really feel that you have some chip on your shoulder or some issues you might want to resolve.
We have The Swamp boards just for such a need.

 

[mkrnhr]

And also, when it is said "share/give to whoever asks", it automatically excludes psychopaths IMHO because they don't ask, they take (even though their taking strategy can look like as asking) :)