Spyraal, all that is interesting, no doubt - and I thank you for compiling this and providing us with new angles of the story.
The problem that I have with such connections is that it makes us think purely in terms of "pattern recognition", which seems to be an ability we have based on evolution. But it can go wrong quickly and make us blind to the colorful, multi-facetted reality of human relations. It's just not that black and white!
Just as an example: you could build a similar case against Putin - he was "selected" by Yeltsin, he worked with him and many other powerful figures at the time, ergo: he must be a "trojan horse". It just doesn't work that way IMO.
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Well, maybe he just needed a letter of recommendation and asked someone he had access to who had the best credentials? Happens all the time. Maybe they were close, but he always disagreed with his "mentor" regarding the EU? Maybe he agreed with him, but eventually changed his mind because he learned more about all that later? Maybe they enjoyed talking about all kinds of things, but strongly disagreed about politics? In fact, given my experience with people in real life, àll that is far more likely than a conspiracy where some shady, powerful people decided to "send Yanis as a Trojan horse", who then went on to play a role his whole life, only to infiltrate the leftist movement...
Why should Yanis agree with his father? Sons and fathers often disagree... And why would his father agree with everything the Aggelopoulou family says and does? Just because he worked for them? And what about the different members, factions, views, interests and personal relations within this family? All in all, the fact that Yanis' father worked for an important business family - even if at a high position - says nothing about Yanis.
There are many possibilities - from nothing at all to "my son has different views than I". We can't answer that question because we don't know about the personal relations of these people.
What I like about Varoufakis and his thinking is that he considers things from many different angles and was exposed to many different mindsets in his life. I consider this a strength! For example, he knows his Marx, but he knows his Hayek as well. He sympathizes with the leftists and considers himself as such, but he knows too much about how the economy works to accept simple solutions and rhetoric. And so on. Fascinating!
In other words: why do we need to determine if Varoufakis or another politician is "100% the real thing" or "a Trojan horse planted by a conspiracy"? What's the point - that we can dismiss everything he says out of hand or believe everything he says without questioning him? I think both options are very limiting and miss the point. How about reading his books, listening to what he has to say, and really think about it from many different angles? So that we can come to some conclusions by using our mind and our experience - that maybe he got this or that wrong, this or that is very interesting, here he's spot-on etc.? That would be more fruitful I think than to construct all kinds of connections that only lead to black-and-white thinking.
The problem that I have with such connections is that it makes us think purely in terms of "pattern recognition", which seems to be an ability we have based on evolution. But it can go wrong quickly and make us blind to the colorful, multi-facetted reality of human relations. It's just not that black and white!
Just as an example: you could build a similar case against Putin - he was "selected" by Yeltsin, he worked with him and many other powerful figures at the time, ergo: he must be a "trojan horse". It just doesn't work that way IMO.
You wrote:
Spyraal said:So I ask, how could ever Varoufakis have had a true "gun on table" during the negotiations last year, when a potential Grexit would actually undo the signature of his own mentor to enter the EU, his benefactor for entering university?
Well, maybe he just needed a letter of recommendation and asked someone he had access to who had the best credentials? Happens all the time. Maybe they were close, but he always disagreed with his "mentor" regarding the EU? Maybe he agreed with him, but eventually changed his mind because he learned more about all that later? Maybe they enjoyed talking about all kinds of things, but strongly disagreed about politics? In fact, given my experience with people in real life, àll that is far more likely than a conspiracy where some shady, powerful people decided to "send Yanis as a Trojan horse", who then went on to play a role his whole life, only to infiltrate the leftist movement...
Spyraal said:When a Grexit would seriously hurt the Greek oligarchs like the Aggelopoulou family who have been employing his father for decades as their trustee and personal secretary?
Why should Yanis agree with his father? Sons and fathers often disagree... And why would his father agree with everything the Aggelopoulou family says and does? Just because he worked for them? And what about the different members, factions, views, interests and personal relations within this family? All in all, the fact that Yanis' father worked for an important business family - even if at a high position - says nothing about Yanis.
What would Varoufakis' father tell to the Angelopoulou family if his son Yanis have helped to change the status quo of Greece being an EU member they so much depend upon?
There are many possibilities - from nothing at all to "my son has different views than I". We can't answer that question because we don't know about the personal relations of these people.
What I like about Varoufakis and his thinking is that he considers things from many different angles and was exposed to many different mindsets in his life. I consider this a strength! For example, he knows his Marx, but he knows his Hayek as well. He sympathizes with the leftists and considers himself as such, but he knows too much about how the economy works to accept simple solutions and rhetoric. And so on. Fascinating!
In other words: why do we need to determine if Varoufakis or another politician is "100% the real thing" or "a Trojan horse planted by a conspiracy"? What's the point - that we can dismiss everything he says out of hand or believe everything he says without questioning him? I think both options are very limiting and miss the point. How about reading his books, listening to what he has to say, and really think about it from many different angles? So that we can come to some conclusions by using our mind and our experience - that maybe he got this or that wrong, this or that is very interesting, here he's spot-on etc.? That would be more fruitful I think than to construct all kinds of connections that only lead to black-and-white thinking.