Hemochromatosis and Autoimmune Conditions

LQB said:
Here is a one-page pdf summarizing the interpretation of the iron blood panel tests:

http://www.perthhaematology.com.au/IronStudies.pdf

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That's interesting. Most of what I have found so far, other than the IOD website, has been from Australia. I wonder why that is.

One thing running in the back of my mind is that undiagnosed/untreated HH is far more profitable than treated HH, when it reaches end stage. There's not much incentive in the US to change the status quo.
 
I had my blood drawn today for ferritin. While I was there I also added the Life Extension Male Panel. _http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/ItemLC322582/Male-Panel-Blood-Test.html.

So I should get some good information. Should have the results in about a week.

Mac
 
Megan said:
LQB said:
Here is a one-page pdf summarizing the interpretation of the iron blood panel tests:

http://www.perthhaematology.com.au/IronStudies.pdf

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That's interesting. Most of what I have found so far, other than the IOD website, has been from Australia. I wonder why that is.

One thing running in the back of my mind is that undiagnosed/untreated HH is far more profitable than treated HH, when it reaches end stage. There's not much incentive in the US to change the status quo.

Given that the Australian population is mainly of Celtic extraction, maybe they are finding it to be such a common condition, that detailed blood panels should be routine. Totally agree with you on the US view btw. The medical industry is just that. A money-making machine.
 
herondancer said:
Given that the Australian population is mainly of Celtic extraction, maybe they are finding it to be such a common condition, that detailed blood panels should be routine. Totally agree with you on the US view btw. The medical industry is just that. A money-making machine.

And if iron overload is at the root of, or at least related to, as many disease conditions as it appears, they have a vested interest in ignoring it, sweeping it under the rug, or disinforming people about it, including doctors and other health professionals.
 
I'm following too many threads at once. I apologize for repeating it but: Since Laura suggested that everyone should read the book, "Iron Elephant" I went to Amazon to look it up. $111.00 ! I can't quite handle that. Is there somewhere else where it is offered cheaper and why is it so expensive- iron cover?
 
buz/p said:
I'm following too many threads at once. I apologize for repeating it but: Since Laura suggested that everyone should read the book, "Iron Elephant" I went to Amazon to look it up. $111.00 ! I can't quite handle that. Is there somewhere else where it is offered cheaper and why is it so expensive- iron cover?

Someone found it at this location:

http://www.bookch.com/details.taf?title=Iron%20Elephant%20%282nd%20Edition%29&book_id=658
 
I also found this:

Effects of training on iron status

A higher than normal prevalence of iron defi­ciency among some female athletes suggests that training may contribute to negative iron balance. A study in female field hockey players found a progressive decline in ferritin values over each of three consecutive seasons (30-37% reduction of ferritin per season), normalizing between seasons (Deihl et al., 1986). Studies following the iron status of female high-school and college ath­letes over a competitive season found that 16% of males and 20% of females with initially normal iron status developed non-anaemic iron defi­ciency but none developed anaemia (Frederickson et al., 1983; Nickerson et al., 1985, 1989; Haymes et al., 1986; Rowland et al., 1987; Risser et al., 1988).

Page 315: _http://books.google.rs/books?id=rPXr-0PUk5gC&pg=PA313&dq=training+ferritin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OQFvUe73LoXCtQadhoCwAw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=training%20ferritin&f=false

This seems to be very good study:

Effects of Cardiorespiratory Fitness on Serum Ferritin Concentration and Type 2 Diabetes

Although some researchers studied the association between serum ferritin and diabetes in other countries, very few studied evaluated serum ferritin and diabetes in the United States. In addition, there were very few studies on the effects of physical activity or cardiorespiratory fitness (CRF) on the association of serum ferritin and incident diabetes. Previous epidemiological studies examining the association of serum ferritin with type 2 diabetes have been inconsistent.

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Recent studies reported that physical activities play an important role in reducing serum ferritin concentration (Furqan et al.,2002; Lakka, Nyyssonen, & Salonen, 1994; Liu et al., 2003). An increase in physical activity decreased serum ferritin concentration (Furqan et al.,2002), and a decrease in serum ferritin concentration was shown to depend on duration and frequency of physical activity (Lakka, Nyyssonen, & Salonen, 1994). Naimark et al. (1996) found a similar pattern for performance and ferritin concentration. The mean serum ferritin decreased significantly after 24 weeks in those who walked 5 days per week, but not in those who walked 3 days per week (Naimark et al., 1996). Furqan at al. (2002) reported moderate physical activity to be more important in lowering serum ferritin than vigorous activity. Bartfay et al. (1995) demonstrated regular exercise could decrease serum ferritin concentrations. Lakka, Nyyssonen, and Salonen (1994) reported mean ferritin concentration to be 16.8% lower in individuals with the highest quartile of physical activity (>2.6 hours per week) as compared to those with the lowest duration of activity (<0.4 hours per week), and to be 19.9% lower in individuals with the highest category of physical activity frequency (>3 sessions per week) as compared to those with the lowest activity frequency (<1 session per week).

Many researchers have found an association between physical activity and diabetes (CDC, 1999; Church et al., 2004, Church, LaMonte, Barlow, & Blair, 2005; Wei et al., 1999; Wei, Gibbons, Kampert, Nichaman, & Blair, 2000a), serum ferritin and diabetes (Acton et al., 2006; Forouhi et al., 2007; Jehn et al., 2007; Jiang et al., 2004; Lecube et al., 2004, Oba et al., 1997; Salonen et al., 1998), and physical activity and serum ferritin (Bartfay et al., 1995; Furqan et al., 2002; Lakka, Nyyssonen, & Salonen, 1994; Naimark et al., 1996). However, the relationships among different levels of cardiorespiratory fitness and serum ferritin on type 2 diabetes have not been investigated. Therefore, in this study, I investigated the association between cardiorespiratory fitness and serum ferritin concentration on type 2 diabetes.

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Results

There were 6,230 subjects including 1,995 females (32%) and 4,235 males (68%) in the study. The mean (± SD) age was 47 (± 9) years and ranged from 20 to 88 years of age. Demographic characteristics, cardiorespiratory fitness, and diabetes status at baseline appear on Table I. Most of subjects were white (95%). Among the participants in the study, the proportions of participants being overweight and obese were 46.0 and 24.6%, respectively. Approximately 12% of the subjects consumed 5 or more drinks per week, 13% were current smokers, and 17.2% were former smokers.

Among all participants in this study, more than 25% were in the highest CRF quintile level and only 10.24% were in the lowest CRF quintile level (Figure 1). Only 6.36% of the subjects reported having diabetes and 3.66% of the subjects reported a family history of diabetes.

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Table 3 shows the results of the association between risk factors and type 2 diabetes after adjustment for age, sex, and ethnicity. Individuals with a high ferritin concentration were 1.89 times more likely to have type 2 diabetes (OR: 1 89; 95% Cl: 1.31,2.73) compared to those with normal ferritin. Overall, CRF levels were inversely associated with type 2 diabetes [p < 0.0001) and diabetes was strongly associated with CRF levels, especially for those in the highest quintile level who reduced their risk of getting type 2 diabetes by 55 % as compared to the lowest quintile level. Similarly, other CRF quintile levels showed inverse associations with reducing the risk of getting type 2 diabetes by 14% (OR: 0.86; 95% CI:0.60, 1.23), 38% (OR: 0 62; 95% Cl: 0 42,0.91), and 29% (OR: 0.71; 95% Cl: 0.51, 1.01) comparing with fitness levels II, 111, and IV to the lowest fitness (level I), respectively.

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Among participants without diabetes, the median range for serum ferritin concentrations in the lowest and highest CRF levels were 76.0 ng/ml and 47.5 ng/ml respectively for normal weight participants and 131.5 ng/ml and 96.0 ng/ml respectively for obese participants. Among participants with diabetes, the median ferritin concentration was 148 ng/ml for the lowest CRF level group compared with 104.0 ng/ml for the highest CRF level group. Correlations between each CRF level across BMI status were determined with Spearman’s correlations and showed significant differences in those with and without diabetes. The median ferritin levels significantly decreased with increased CRF quintile levels and correlated directly with increasing BMI levels. Among non-diabetic individuals, the median serum ferritin decreased by 37.5%, 20.6%, and 27.0% among normal weight, overweight, and obese individuals, respectively, when participants in the highest CRF' quintile level were compared to those in the lowest CRF quintile level.

Among participants with diabetes, ferritin levels were associated with CRF quintile levels across BMI status as shown by the Spearman’s correlation coefficients in Table 5. Particularly, the median ferritin concentrations in obese diabetic participants at the highest fitness levels decreased 29.7%, compared to those at the lowest fitness levels.

Discussion

In this study, an inverse association between serum ferritin concentration and CRF was found. The findings from this analysis were similar to other studies in which ferritin concentration was significantly correlated with physical exercise (Furqan et al., 2002; Malczewska, Stupnicki, Blach, & Turek-Lepa, 2004; Wilkinson, Martin, Adams, & Liebman, 2002). Participants having high ferritin concentrations were 48% more likely to have type 2 diabetes when compared to those with normal ferritin levels. Similarly, recent studies have focused on elevated serum ferritin concentrations that contributed to increased risk of diabetes (Acton et al., 2006; Canturk et al., 2003; Forouhi et al., 2007; Ikeda et al., 2006; Jehn et al., 2007; Jiang et al., 2004; Lecube et al., 2004). Serum ferritin concentration can be an independent predictor for development of type 2 diabetes (Forouhi et al., 2007). Wilkinson et al. (2002) found that mean (± SD) serum ferritin decreased significantly from 55.9 (± 9.7) to 42.2 (± 8.0) ng/ml after a 6-week high-intensive cycle training program. In another longitudinal study on the effect of a running-based training program on serum ferritin and other serum parameters, Kaiser, Janssen, and van Wersch (1989) found a significant inverse association between running and serum ferritin. Similarly, in this study, I found serum ferritin concentrations among normal weight, overweight, and obese non-diabetic participants in the highest quintile CRF level were reduced by 37.5%, 20.6%, and 27.0%, respectively, as compared to similar participants at the lowest CRF level. For obese diabetic participants in the highest CRF quintile level, serum ferritin concentrations were reduced by 29.7% as compared to similar participants in the lowest CRF level.

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Rescarchers studied the effects of running and swimming on ferritin, haptoglobin, and red cell indexes and found that serum ferritin and hemoglobin were lower in runners even though the runners had an adequate dietary iron intake compared with the baseline (Pizza, Flynn, Boone, Rodriguez-Zayas, & Andres, 1997).

_http://books.google.rs/books?id=EiQmfsjRnP4C&pg=PA17&dq=exercise+ferritin&hl=en&sa=X&ei=YV5vUY7qIoTWtQa7iYGoBA&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=recent%20studies&f=false
 
buz/p said:
I'm following too many threads at once. I apologize for repeating it but: Since Laura suggested that everyone should read the book, "Iron Elephant" I went to Amazon to look it up. $111.00 ! I can't quite handle that. Is there somewhere else where it is offered cheaper and why is it so expensive- iron cover?

I am having trouble following this topic, with its distinct conversations. I gather that most people here are concerned about reducing iron stores to avoid potential health problems, but are not dealing with a life-threatening case of hemochromatosis. But I might be wrong about that.

I don't think somebody with HH that is almost too tired to stand up is going to try to unload iron by swimming, running, or other physical activity. Someone whose iron stores are merely elevated somewhat might do so, however.

My biggest problem seems to be pervasive fatigue, although I have also experienced the hypogonadism, adrenal endocrine failures, hypothyroidism, and other symptoms described in the book, and I am shocked because no doctor has ever ordered these simple tests, and I have been seeing doctors on and off for forty years or so trying to figure out what is wrong.

My TIBC/SI results have still not come back, and I don't know when they will. Somebody goofed somewhere, and the service where I ordered the tests is working on it.
 
Since I gave blood for the first time with the Red Cross, I'm now in their e-mail database. Here is one of the messages from them:

It’s time to make your next donation a DOUBLE!

Double red cell donation is just one way that donors can help their donation go a little further. Donors with blood types O, B negative and A negative, are all great candidates for making their donation a double.

A double red cell donation is when you donate two units of red blood cells. During a double red cell donation, blood is drawn from one arm and channeled through a sterile, single-use collection set to an automated machine. The machine separates and collects two units of red cells and then safely returns the remaining components (plasma and platelets) back to the donor. Many donors say that they feel even better after a double red cell donation. There are certain height and weight requirements and criteria for this type of donation.

Double red donations are a great way for busy donors to donate blood. You can donate double red cells every 112 days, up to three times a year. Learn more about double red cell donations and see if should make yours a double.
 
Thank you- Persej, Gandalf, Laura and Everyone, for the information on iron in regards to distance running and as a whole, as I have a personal experience with this. I have now it seem swung to the other end of the pendulum having reduced the many miles that I have once run in a day 10-25 miles during high school and for 3-5 years after then slowly reducing this to long 3-6 mile walks and hikes 2-3 times a week.
I have also it seems have developed some symptoms of Hypothyroidism as well. Being in a hard place ( of being a long term unemployed and no health insurance ) I am frustrated and disgusted with the ignorance of doctors and the system as a whole in getting cared for regardless of any situation (meaning, my 'hard place'), for with out through testing I feel as though I am walking in a fog.
For what little I can do for myself with the information given in/on this forum as my guide by so many that are sto at heart I am truly grateful to be here reading and exploring the many links of this and many other treads as a means to consider all things as options for healing not just myself but others in any way I can even if it is in a tiny capacity.
 
Megan said:
I don't think somebody with HH that is almost too tired to stand up is going to try to unload iron by swimming, running, or other physical activity.

Those people could try riding Stationary bike: _http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Exerpeutic-900XL-Extended-Capacity-Recumbent-Bike-with-Pulse/6294746/product.html
 
Persej said:
Megan said:
I don't think somebody with HH that is almost too tired to stand up is going to try to unload iron by swimming, running, or other physical activity.

Those people could try riding Stationary bike: _http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Exerpeutic-900XL-Extended-Capacity-Recumbent-Bike-with-Pulse/6294746/product.html

Do you live with that kind of fatigue? Do you have any experience of what I am talking about? Have you read the book? I think it discusses such things, although it is a blur in my memory right now.

Yes, it's possible to do that kind of exercise and more. Wise? Maybe not. And yes, I did it for a while, years ago when I was stronger. Stationary bicycle was the one that I tolerated the best. It did not help.
 
It seems that the "exercise route" is only useful for those who have only mild overload and are not pathological. Otherwise, as the experts say, best to unload as quickly, efficiently, and safely as possible, i.e. phlebotomy.
 
Laura said:
It seems that the "exercise route" is only useful for those who have only mild overload and are not pathological. Otherwise, as the experts say, best to unload as quickly, efficiently, and safely as possible, i.e. phlebotomy.

Not to mention the fact that aerobic exercise as it is commonly promoted is not exactly ideal - at least according to the info we found re: strength-training and the ketogenic diet and all that.

I used to be a distance runner, and man, that is some SERIOUS wear and tear, especially on the joints.

I basically took the exercise info as yet another data point. IOW, regular exercise can reduce ferritin levels somehow. It's an interesting piece of the puzzle even if it isn't really directly applicable or practical in many cases.
 
Mr. Scott said:
I used to be a distance runner, and man, that is some SERIOUS wear and tear, especially on the joints.

I always thought and I might be totally in the left field that we are not done/build to be distance runners. Contrary to most runners in the wildlife, we are operating only on two feet and not 4. Moreover each time someone run, does not matter the quality of the shoes or the soil, you are always hammering your body and particularly your spinal column.

However, it is another story for biking, hiking, walking, swimming...
 

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