Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT): General information and discussion of Home Units

[meadow_wind]

My above post is more than a year old. Few things had changed. you may want to be clear of what you are getting. Is it this unit they are selling you? If so, the unit is good based on my experience.

From what I understand, it is that unit, yes.

you want to gather more information about all the possible additional costs. Get clear information related to Original unit cost, shipping cost ( shipping cost is very high to North America. It is almost 1200 US$ for us), sales taxes, customs etc. you may also want to ask about warranty. Generally they give 1 year warranty. This is assuming that they are willing to ship it to Canada.

Thank you for the reminder. I'm waiting for the shipping quote.
I am using the Excel file someone posted as help. Can't remember who.

HBOT sheet

docs.google.com

I know it's 1 year old, but it's such a good reference with all the info, it's a good basis to compare what changed.

Hey meadow_wind, we went with Macy Pan and I believe with shipping costs it was just under $10,000 CDN.

Ok thanks for the info! They gave me a quote of :
ST801-1.5:
Size: 225*80*80cm(90*32*32'')
Pressure: 1.5ATA(50kPa)
Original price: 6,100USD
15% discount price: 5185USD
Shipping cost to Canada: 1,080USD
Total: 6,265USD
So I believe that would be close to $10,000 CDN for sure.

 

[Wandering Star]

Regarding the possibility that in the future there will be more concentration of oxygen in the air, which will facilitate or improve something in people, I have had an experience this Sunday.

The first thing is that it is a personal experience and I could be wrong in whole or in part.

I have already told on some occasions about what I call "accelerations." A sensation of vertigo in the solar plexus area, which, although similar, has nothing to do with any sensation of dizziness due to conventional causes.

For whatever reason (I don't know) throughout last Sunday and part of Monday, I had that feeling and it was very strong. Especially on Sunday.

I have already said that I believe there may be some relationship between this experience and the influx of hyperdimensional energies of the wave.

The issue that is related to this thread is that what helped me balance was to take deep breaths, trying to hyperventilate. It's similar to when anxiety makes us take deep breaths every few seconds.

I live at sea level where there is a higher concentration of oxygen, however my body asked for much more.

Since this experience lasted so long this time, I was able to realize that I needed to take continuous deep breaths in search of more oxygen.

The experience is objective, as is the need to breathe more to balance that sensation, the rest enters the realm of hypotheses.

 

[gottathink]

It seems nobody saw my previous post, so here I'm going to quote the people who might be able to help.


Hello, have you found something already? If yes, could you please tell me which supplier and how much?


Are you also in Canada? Which unit did you end up buying? How much was OxyRevo's quote at the time?



Hello, which unit did you end up buying? How much was it?




I contacted them yesterday. I got quoted 3850$US for the 1.5 ATA with a separate Oxygen concentrator from the air compressor. Not even a 200$ discount, even though I mentioned many people had ordered from them and that I was a "referral".
She said Winni does not work there anymore and the most she can give is 100$ off = 3750$US (that's still 400$ more)
Also said that she's not sure she can ship to Canada due to harsh restrictions :(
I gave her the info I picked up from another post regarding Macy Pan's "custom clearance suggestions".

Im in New Zealand and ended up buying from an importer from here as a unit was already in stock and we received it straight away.
Oxyrevo are based somewhere in Asia and would have shipped to me internationally. It would have worked out slightly cheaper buying from them but we would have had to wait for shipping. Also at that time this was extremely unreliable coming to New Zealand.
So recommend you make contact with sone suppliers and ask for quotes that include shipping to your address. Current prices will have changed from when I was looking but it was around 13 000 NZD with shipping.

 

[gottathink]

From what I understand, it is that unit, yes.


Thank you for the reminder. I'm waiting for the shipping quote.
I am using the Excel file someone posted as help. Can't remember who.

HBOT sheet

docs.google.com

I know it's 1 year old, but it's such a good reference with all the info, it's a good basis to compare what changed.



Ok thanks for the info! They gave me a quote of :
ST801-1.5:
Size: 225*80*80cm(90*32*32'')
Pressure: 1.5ATA(50kPa)
Original price: 6,100USD
15% discount price: 5185USD
Shipping cost to Canada: 1,080USD
Total: 6,265USD
So I believe that would be close to $10,000 CDN for sure.

That seems about right and reasonable.

 

[broken.english]

Here's a picture of the Oxygen Concentrator. It says max flow rate is 5 LPM, sounds low to me.

Yes, do not buy anything below 10l/min. The oxygen flow decreases with pressure. At 1.5 ata even a 10l generator can only deliver 6-7 l of oxygen into the chamber. A 5l generator will then deliver next to nothing.

 

[meadow_wind]

Yes, do not buy anything below 10l/min. The oxygen flow decreases with pressure. At 1.5 ata even a 10l generator can only deliver 6-7 l of oxygen into the chamber. A 5l generator will then deliver next to nothing.

Ohh... Zoy Tech's air compressor is 10L, but their Oxygen compressor is 5L. Most people who bought it said it was working really well.
I would think if we use a mask, the oxygen concentration shouldn't be a problem?

 

[broken.english]

Ohh... Zoy Tech's air compressor is 10L, but their Oxygen compressor is 5L.

Zoy Tech can offer you an upgrade to 10l. No problem at all.

Most people who bought it said it was working really well.

Yes, but how do they know and what do they mean with "working really well"?
It did not explode?
It cured x diseases in short time?
......

I would think if we use a mask, the oxygen concentration shouldn't be a problem?

Oxygen + pressure is what brings positive results. If their values are too low there is less tissue penetration and in some cases healing will not be possible.

One example is Lyme disease(covered earlier in this thread):

Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy: General information and discussion of Home Units

Hi all, if anyone is planning to order in the near future from Macy Pan or from Oxyrevo, can you let me know here? I had looked at the Oxyrevo units in the past. They don't list their prices (that I could find). I figured I couldn't afford one from them, but I do like the curved zipper and the...

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On the way from the lungs to the bone marrow where Lyme bacteria can dwell the oxygen pressure drops from 160 mmHg to 50 mm/Hg. In order to eliminate these bacteria the pressure has to be raised above 160 mmHg. So you need more oxygen and more pressure for a successful treatment.

Long story short: more oxygen is better.

 

[meadow_wind]

Oxygen + pressure is what brings positive results. If their values are too low there is less tissue penetration and in some cases healing will not be possible.

Yes, I understood that, but now I'm confused with a few things... Could you help clarify?

What I know: the Oxygen concentrator is 5L and Zoy Tech spec says 93% oxygen saturation +-

You said: the oxygen flow decreases with pressure (I did not know that). At 1.5 ata even a 10l generator can only deliver 6-7 l of oxygen into the chamber. A 5l generator will then deliver next to nothing.

1- Is there a mathematical formula on which we can verify that 5L/min at 93% saturation under 1.5ATA pressure delivers almost nothing? A yes/no answer is ok, but if you know the formula it's even better, otherwise I'll look it up on the web. My science classes are far back and I need to refresh my memory. I would think that we need to take into account the chamber volume and the time factor in order to calculate when the whole chamber would become 93% saturated. Some people said their chamber would reach the desired pressure in a certain amount of time varying between 15 min and 30 min. But I have not read anything regarding the oxygen saturation in the whole chamber, since most of them breathe the 93% oxygen from a mask. Which brings the next question :

2- Should the oxygen-saturated air fill the whole chamber? Or do we only need to breath it in the mask? I was under the impression there was no need to fill the whole chamber, just breath it. But I realise that the oxygen coming from the mask is from the concentrator and is not under pressure yet... Is there any benefits in filling the whole chamber also? Do oxygen under pressure can also penetrate our skin?

Looks like I have some more homework to do!

 

[broken.english]

1- Is there a mathematical formula on which we can verify that 5L/min at 93% saturation under 1.5ATA pressure delivers almost nothing? A yes/no answer is ok, but if you know the formula it's even better, otherwise I'll look it up on the web.

No, I don't have one. Such a formula would need a number of variables e.g the pressuring power of the oxygen generator.

In real life most oxygen generators can show their output and a calculation is not needed.

I would think that we need to take into account the chamber volume and the time factor in order to calculate when the whole chamber would become 93% saturated.

It will not reach 93% as long as the air pump is running.

2- Should the oxygen-saturated air fill the whole chamber? Or do we only need to breath it in the mask? I was under the impression there was no need to fill the whole chamber, just breath it. Is there any benefits in filling the whole chamber also?

Breathing with the mask is ok. There is no need to fill the whole chamber with oxygen. If there would be benefits in doing so is an open question that I cannot answer. At least one of our members is taking this approach, as he mentioned in a recent post:

Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy: General information and discussion of Home Units

This thread kinda died and I was wondering how are long term or hard core users doing? After about 130 sessions I had to stop for the entire summer due to high temperatures making the stay in chamber very uncomfortable. Can’t say I noticed anything different. Did any of long term...

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The obvious advantage is that no mask is needed. Whether there is a better tissue penetration, I do not know. I think it is possible.

With this method, however, one cannot take the 5 minute breaks every 25 minutes(by taking the mask off) as recommended by Shai Efrati. It is said to prevent seizures for people prone to same and improve the oxygen take up of body cells.

Do oxygen under pressure can also penetrate our skin?

Yes, to some degree of course.

Looks like I have some more homework to do!

So do I!

 

[meadow_wind]

It will not reach 93% as long as the air pump is running.

Indeed! Thanks for pointing that out!

With this method, however, one cannot take the 5 minute breaks every 25 minutes(by taking the mask off) as recommended by Shai Efrati. It is said to prevent seizures for people prone to same and improve the oxygen take up of body cells.

I have taken many notes from the whole threat, and I did notice the post about that method/research.

Well, I guess I conclude that the Zoy Tech equipment should be fine, as long as I breathe from the mask and do not try to saturate the whole chamber with O2. This will also avoid eye problems and let me do the Efrati method.

 

[Benjamin]

2- For people who purchased in Canada, which model did you order? And how much did it end up costing?

Here's mine. It cost me $6060 with shipping. Shipping was weird, but it got to me.

3- After a year of trial, would any of you still recommend this purchase?

I haven't had mine that long but I'll say that I notice a difference. I'm not the most consistent but I'm used to having the sessions now. I have better sleeps and I feel generally calmer. It really affects my legs. If I have a session after 'taking a break', my legs feel like I had a serious leg workout the day before. My eyes also get a little weird. Seems to hit my left eye a bit more. Can't describe it really, but it's like my glasses are the wrong prescription. Foot and back pains disappear after only two sessions.

I kinda like being in there now. I take a book in with me and read (holding the book up for a hour so I can read it is a pain...more pillows?), but sometimes I just can't keep awake and fall asleep. My timer wakes me up.

 

[meadow_wind]

It cost me $6060 with shipping. Shipping was weird, but it got to me.

6060$ CND? All fees included? And it goes up to 1.5 ATA?
Do you use a mask to breathe the O2 or do you let the whole chamber get filled with 02?
Up to now, this one sounds like the best deal! Thanks for the info! I'm going to ask for a quote :)

 

[Benjamin]

6060$ CND? All fees included? And it goes up to 1.5 ATA?
Do you use a mask to breathe the O2 or do you let the whole chamber get filled with 02?
Up to now, this one sounds like the best deal! Thanks for the info! I'm going to ask for a quote :)

Oh, no. I use a mask. It might be the cheapest part to this whole thing. It came with one of those basic plastic masks which does fine for me, I guess. I know you can get better ones.

Yeah, the price is with shipping. But it took about 3 weeks (I think...or more?) to get here. And remember, shipping costs will be different for you. Quebec does things differently, I understand.

 

[Benjamin]

CND?

Yeah, the price is with shipping.

Boy, did I space on that one. The price is in USD. I bought mine when the Can dollar was a little bit stronger.

 

[gottathink]

Yes, I understood that, but now I'm confused with a few things... Could you help clarify?

What I know: the Oxygen concentrator is 5L and Zoy Tech spec says 93% oxygen saturation +-

You said: the oxygen flow decreases with pressure (I did not know that). At 1.5 ata even a 10l generator can only deliver 6-7 l of oxygen into the chamber. A 5l generator will then deliver next to nothing.

1- Is there a mathematical formula on which we can verify that 5L/min at 93% saturation under 1.5ATA pressure delivers almost nothing? A yes/no answer is ok, but if you know the formula it's even better, otherwise I'll look it up on the web. My science classes are far back and I need to refresh my memory. I would think that we need to take into account the chamber volume and the time factor in order to calculate when the whole chamber would become 93% saturated. Some people said their chamber would reach the desired pressure in a certain amount of time varying between 15 min and 30 min. But I have not read anything regarding the oxygen saturation in the whole chamber, since most of them breathe the 93% oxygen from a mask. Which brings the next question :

2- Should the oxygen-saturated air fill the whole chamber? Or do we only need to breath it in the mask? I was under the impression there was no need to fill the whole chamber, just breath it. But I realise that the oxygen coming from the mask is from the concentrator and is not under pressure yet... Is there any benefits in filling the whole chamber also? Do oxygen under pressure can also penetrate our skin?

Looks like I have some more homework to do!

Oxygen is pumped into the chamber by the compressor unit. The chamber inflates and has a release valve set at whatever pressure your system is set up to be able to accomodate. You use a mask or nasal prongs to deliver the concentrated oxygen (which comes from the O2 concentrator) directly to you when you breathe. It has an inlet that plugs into the chamber on the outside and on the inside you plug in your tube connected to your nasal prong or mask.
The fact that your whole body is in a pressurised environment in the chamber is why the concentrated O2 you breathe dissolves into the tissues deeper that normal perfusion by the blood vessels.