Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT): General information and discussion of Home Units

[worldbridger]

I wonder why.

Ok, this brings up an old problem for me, to do your own liposomal C. I read the whole thread a couple of years ago and thought that it was interesting.

I tried the recipe with alcohol (a chemist I think with a simple recipe and access to a lab) both with a blender and an ultrasound machine. There was no way to contact him. I thought it was quite expensive and I had problems with the alcohol.

Later I tried another recipe from some scientists (in the thread) who were using an ultrasound machine, but the links and instructions/specifications for the ultrasonic machine were vague I thought, they also had a test with baking soda that you use to test it, the recipe with alcohol (chemist) sort of passed the test and the recipe without alcohol (scientists) failed. Worst is I didn't experience any difference at all compared to ordinary vit C.

I even purchased some bottles from the most trustworthy supplier I could find in the Netherlands, but it didn't make any difference. I know, me not noticing any difference is not that scientific, but it matters!

I did all the recipes and purchased liposomal C for 6 months, and I think the liposomal C from the Netherlands was the only one that passed the baking soda test 100%.

And last, then I saw that Gaby had a recipe on her website (I think it was the same as the scientists with the ultrasound recipe and baking soda test) , but as I remember it, it was something like this: "use 2 tsp/8 gr of sodium ascorbate and get 12 gr of liposomal C". At that time my brain melted. Maybe it was a typo or my brain was already muck, but that was the end of the story! :)

So, maybe it will work this time…...


p.s Gabys recipe on her website states "1 level tablespoon of sodium ascorbate" which is 12 g.

 

[Thor]

1. External and internal gauges: . In my case they put position of gauges at the same location
. View attachment 62739 Deep inside threading is for inner gauge. I am not sure how

The rep (she is not technical keep on saying engineer said so and so ). Now I am thinking they know this unit has design issue, keep on dragging me to do this or do that. Finally I have to ask does this unit work with both the gauges. she mentioned Engineer said NO. It only works with one gauge. It doesn't even work correctly with inner gauge alone. I have to tell them what their problem is for their acknowledgement.
@Thor
In your unit, see the elongated white patch port. If my guess is correct, your inner gauge is next to outer guage on the same white patch(port). Probably they fixed it. That is why I want to warn you guys.

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@aimarok ,
See unit on the left has a small cooler and right one is bigger one. you seems to have got the fast inflate one. From the above 2nd picture, it was not clear whether location of the pressure gauges are at the same spot or next to each other like in Thor's picture( my guess any way).

2. Pressure timing: This is another confusing situation. I keep hearing different things. When I asked her, she said this unit reduces time to 7 to 8 minutes. she said "oxygen concentrator alone and air compressor combined with air cooler." -
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I am not sure whether it is same as what you said here. is cooler and combined in the compressor?. It looks like it.

Added to that cooler not pumping enough to fill the chamber. there are other observations too, I will post later.


But I am not sure whether I can make 2 gauges work for my unit though. It looks I have a long battle ahead.

Seek10, that does sound like a very frustrating process! As you can see from my correspondence with Zoy-Tech they should have handled these issues with the newer model.



I do think, that if you're not able to get both gauges to work as intended, then "they owe you something". If you're interested in the fast-inflate version, you could use this as a negotiating lever in trying to exchange the combined oxygen concentrator/compressor for two separate units. If nothing else, they should give you a good discount.

 

[Thor]

Ok, this brings up an old problem for me, to do your own liposomal C. I read the whole thread a couple of years ago and thought that it was interesting.

I tried the recipe with alcohol (a chemist I think with a simple recipe and access to a lab) both with a blender and an ultrasound machine. There was no way to contact him. I thought it was quite expensive and I had problems with the alcohol.

Later I tried another recipe from some scientists (in the thread) who were using an ultrasound machine, but the links and instructions/specifications for the ultrasonic machine were vague I thought, they also had a test with baking soda that you use to test it, the recipe with alcohol (chemist) sort of passed the test and the recipe without alcohol (scientists) failed. Worst is I didn't experience any difference at all compared to ordinary vit C.

I even purchased some bottles from the most trustworthy supplier I could find in the Netherlands, but it didn't make any difference. I know, me not noticing any difference is not that scientific, but it matters!

I did all the recipes and purchased liposomal C for 6 months, and I think the liposomal C from the Netherlands was the only one that passed the baking soda test 100%.

And last, then I saw that Gaby had a recipe on her website (I think it was the same as the scientists with the ultrasound recipe and baking soda test) , but as I remember it, it was something like this: "use 2 tsp/8 gr of sodium ascorbate and get 12 gr of liposomal C". At that time my brain melted. Maybe it was a typo or my brain was already muck, but that was the end of the story! :)

So, maybe it will work this time…...


p.s Gabys recipe on her website states "1 level tablespoon of sodium ascorbate" which is 12 g.

In the last couple of pages in the "Do it yourself liposomal nutrients" thread, there are posts stating that it's almost impossible to do it yourself as you need very expensive equipment. In my dialogue with a Dutch company that has a proprietary method for making dried liposomal nutrients with no additives, their sales director has sent an email that describes how many companies (including Dr. Mercola) sell liposomal products that are not actually liposomal and do not achieve the direct delivery of the contents into the cells. I've copied the mail from the company in the "Improved delivery method for liposomal nutrients?" thread.

I'm currently trying to find out how much "loss" there is in normal supplements between the amount you take and the amount that enters the cells (Vitamin C, Multivitamins, Omega 3, Glutathione, Magnesium, etc.). I know it will probably vary from person to person but it would be nice to have an idea. Knowing this, it's possible to correct the dosage of liposomal supplements to reflect increased absorption.

 

[Stoneboss]

Have you tried a two hour session instead of two one hour sessions? I tried a two hour session once near the beginning, at only 1.2 ATA and it wiped me out for the next day, lots of napping. I took another day off to be sure. Lately though I have been doing one and a half hour sessions, and seem to be handling it OK, without Vitamin C beforehand. Have you noticed any physical changes? energy level? hair colour? libido? I have had odd pains/cramps here and there. Once I had a cramp in my left hand for no reason that I could see but it had lessened by the end of the day and was gone the next day. Same occurrence with joint and limb discomfort, transitory.

I haven't tried a two hour session. A two hour session wouldn't really work for me because of scheduling around work and with the three others that are also using the chamber. As far as physical changes I haven't noticed any hair colour or libido changes, but there has been a definite increase in energy.

Just thinking about it now, I could probably do a one and a half hour session though. That way there would be 24 hours of 'rest' between sessions giving the body more time to recoup, and taking at least one day off a week.

 

[benkostka]

In the last couple of pages in the "Do it yourself liposomal nutrients" thread, there are posts stating that it's almost impossible to do it yourself as you need very expensive equipment. In my dialogue with a Dutch company that has a proprietary method for making dried liposomal nutrients with no additives, their sales director has sent an email that describes how many companies (including Dr. Mercola) sell liposomal products that are not actually liposomal and do not achieve the direct delivery of the contents into the cells. I've copied the mail from the company in the "Improved delivery method for liposomal nutrients?" thread.

I'm currently trying to find out how much "loss" there is in normal supplements between the amount you take and the amount that enters the cells (Vitamin C, Multivitamins, Omega 3, Glutathione, Magnesium, etc.). I know it will probably vary from person to person but it would be nice to have an idea. Knowing this, it's possible to correct the dosage of liposomal supplements to reflect increased absorption.

You guys may want to also look at the uptake of trace elements, which tend to form some of the microstructures of the human body. An entire dairy cow herd in New Zealand was cured of ALL its diseases by using the soil microbiology program used by Elaine Ingham. One of the benefits is that all the trace elements needed for the human body will become bioavailable simply by altering the soil structure.

One of the plants that’s good at extracting these minerals is alfalfa and that particular plant has been mentioned by the C’s a few times.

There’s also some information in the The Body Electric by Robert Becker where he shows that bone has a piezoelectric type structure between collagen and apatite crystals, and that those two substances have small pockets in them where copper ions can be held.

Trace elements are generally ignored by agriculture too, it’s all about NPK ratios, which is essentially just garbage. In any case, trace elements are absolutely vital to the proper function of the human body.

 

[seek10]

I do think, that if you're not able to get both gauges to work as intended, then "they owe you something".

Interestingly they wanted one more video of the compressor yesterday with a promise to solve it. I was doing this testing ( until late into midnight 2AM to 3AM), taking video's and sending them for a week with absolutely no result. I gave latest video yesterday and asked their manager contact and they insisted that info@zoy-tech.com as their manager's. It looks they don't want to give their manager's contact either. They neither give any timelines or tell the nature of exact problem or any thing except a vague promise we will take care of it. That was for a 5K per pop item.

It does seem like they've changed their product line on the website. They've added the 1.5 ATA soft shell chamber as a separate product here. It is now standard with both internal and external pressure gauges. So you were a trailblazer with two gauges .

At the time of my order, some body on the forum mentioned out external gauge. Given that Seamus wants to use it for his clinic ( If possible), I asked her, which she said, we have it. I wondered about the speed with which she agreed. I thought they might have spare unused port on the chamber which they wanted to use for it. Interestingly, that is exactly what they did - used internal gauge port for external gauge, tested with only external gauge alone and shipped it to me. Obviously that doesn't work without side effect. If They have done this external gauge item before, they wouldn't have done that mistake. Even for them to acknowledge that cooler issue, I have to make a table of tests with timing and send it to them.

Each test I have done 2 or 3 times and each takes 1 hr min. They gave some video of so-called testing, which doesn't convey any thing other than some unit inflating. Other challenges I saw ( despite saying they tested it thoroughly) are:

• There is no mention of external gauge of in any documentation. You get loose items, guess and put it. So it is their first attempt. Their documentation in generally poor. As long as it is working, one won't notice it.
• They have a solenoid valve on the cooler. There is no instruction on in what direction to install it. Sure they have a arrow on it, but whether it is into unit or outside, it was not clear. Solenoid valve doesn't exactly rotate into the position. After few days, they asked me to put tape to tighten it to a position. So they haven't tested it before. If they have tested it, they didn't bother to fix it.
• I asked for masks, they said it is there, but there are no masks. Probably they don't know difference between masks and what they gave headset and nasal oxygen cannula's.
• While assembling the frame, I found one screw is not even fitting in the ring. There is some quality issue with the hole making on the ring. I ended up in using different screw to make it withstand.

Probably you will not have these issues. Any way I wanted to mention it to document it.

 

[worldbridger]

By coincidence…. If sharks can grow legs and live without oxygen for 2 hours (assumption) in that environment, what can humans exposed to this do and grow.

"The species (Hemiscyllium ocellatum) grows to about three feet long and lives in reef flats like Australia’s southern Great Barrier Reef. Along with this stunning ability to walk around on their fins, study authors say epaulette sharks are also capable of another shocking feat.

Since reef flats see their oxygen levels fluctuate with the outgoing tide, epaulette sharks regularly experience brief periods of elevated CO2 and hypoxia — low oxygen. The team found that these sharks are actually able to live for two hours without any oxygen at all! Moreover, this period of complete anoxia does not appear to harm them in any way."

 

[Pierre]

We're thinking about buying a Macy Pan hard shell 2.0 ATA. For those who bought a Macy Pan chamber please send me your first name, family name and your country in PM. We want to use this information as a negotiation lever. Thanks!

Thank you for your answers via PM. So far at least 15 members bought a Macy Pan soft shell chamber.

Yesterday, I had a long video discussion with Riley Zhu, sales representative for Macy Pan. I explained my medical history and the very beneficial effects I experienced using the HBOT. I also mentioned that lot of our members, including at the chateau and the farm experienced similar positive results.

After talking to her boss Mister Pan, Riley informed me they had agreed to give a substantial discount.

I have interacted with Riley numerous times: pre-purchase of the soft shell, negotiation (she already provided a discount), delivery, set-up and now pre-purchase of the hard shell. She's always been reactive, competent and kind, really! You contact her on my behalf.

From now on you can directly contact her through E-mails: sales@macy-pan.com or by phone: +86-18017021667 (Riley speaks good English). Of course you can visit the website MACYPAN, be sure to use one of these three means of communication otherwise you might end up with another sales representatives.

I will keep you informed about the lastest news.

I already have the model number of the hard shell chamber it is HP2202-75. I also some specs:
Pressure: 2ATA (2Bar)
chamber+Air/oxygen concentrator (10L/min)
Aircooler
Length:220cm(88inch)
Diameter:75cm(30inch)
Weight:150Kg
LED and Wheels:YES
Communication and Alarm System:YES
Air System Flow:80L/Minute
Oxygen Flow:10L/Minute
Oxygen Purity:93%±3
Power:1000W

The chamber is almost the same as this one:

 

[benkostka]

- There is no study showing that HBOT favors cancers instead it seems to have a low regressive effect.

There’s studies done back in the 1920s by Otto Warburg that showed that cancer cells don’t use oxygen for energy. He was actually able to create cancer in lab animals simply by depriving tissues from oxygen. The information is in Chapter 13 of The Invisible Rainbow, free pdf is available online.

 

[nature]

Pierre, do you know if one can go to 3 ATA with this hard chamber?

 

[Pierre]

Pierre, do you know if one can go to 3 ATA with this hard chamber?

I strongly discourage anyone to attempt increase the pressure to 3 ATA. First the hard chamber we're planning to buy is designed for 2 ATA not 3 ATA. It's 100% relative pressure increase (1 ATA vs. 2 ATA)

Second and most important, at 3 ATA it's as if you are below 20 meters (66 ft) of water. If you experience a sudden decompression at this depth you are in trouble.

 

[nature]

Thank you Pierre for yor response. So, 3 ATA can be done only in clinics/hospital under medical care.

 

[seek10]

I do think, that if you're not able to get both gauges to work as intended, then "they owe you something".

After some negotiation, Zoy Tech agreed to give us a new chamber ( new white one) and new fast pressuring unit set for extra 600.00 . They will send us by ship and they will bear the cost of shipping etc.

 

[benkostka]

Thank you Pierre for yor response. So, 3 ATA can be done only in clinics/hospital under medical care.

Read about Central Nervous System oxygen toxicity and you’ll understand how much oxygen the body can handle under pressure.

Oxygen toxicity - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The short version is that CNS tox can happen above 1.6 ATA but you’ll generally be safe breathing 100% oxygen up to around 2.0 ATA, though at that pressure I’d probably take 5 minute breaks every 20 minutes or so under pressure to be safe. Breathing 100% oxygen at 3.0 ATA will most likely lead to a convulsion. Better to be safe and cautious with the treatments. More isn’t necessarily better. Knowledge definitely protects in this case.

 

[Thor]

I don't think it is necessary to take so much vitamin C. Just add a couple extra grams a day and that should do it.

After some negotiation, Zoy Tech agreed to give us a new chamber ( new white one) and new fast pressuring unit set for extra 600.00 . They will send us by ship and they will bear the cost of shipping etc.

I'm really glad to hear that. It's the only professional way to handle it. And if you have the standard size, it'll pressurise very fast.

My unit was picked up from their premises last Saturday. According to Winni it takes 5-7 days to get from their factory to the departure location and clear Chinese customs. After that an additional 5-7 days to reach Denmark.

Best of luck with the new unit