Introduction

Also, Denis, thanks for your comment and can I ask where the following quote as part of your profile comes from?

Pay attention to your thoughts; they will become your words.
Pay attention to your words; they will become your actions.
Pay attention to your actions; they will become your habits.
Pay attention to your habits; they will become your character.
Pay attention to your character, because it becomes your DESTINY
 
Looking back on this thread, domwatts23, perhaps you are able to see the role that unmet expectations created. I imagine you had an expectation of how your post was to be received. In fact, you had concerns how it might by misunderstood and went through efforts to mitigate against that through caveats and other methods in the hopes of meeting the expectation.

Fueling the expectation was the enthusiasm and excitement of having experienced something that you had never experienced before which, to say the least, must have seemed amazing and of great importance to share.

I have had experienced something similar only a few times, where I had a form of instant comprehension of things I earlier could not explain. This is especially startling when it occurs with other people and lasts for several days.

However, in my experience, the knowledge wasn't something I was able to take back with me. It was more like I was in a state where I was part of a stream of knowledge, but upon returning to ordinary reality, all that remained were a few strands of a fabric I could no longer access.

This knowledge, I have found, is of minimal value without having first dealt with all of the programs, the filters of perception and reactions of the little I's.

Ironically, the responses you received and your reactions to them have provided you insight into the first layer or two of your reactive mind. In the end, you will hopefully see that dealing with your programs will serve you and humanity better than the phenomenon you experienced ever will.

I wouldn't say the phenomenon is a distraction. Rather, it is evidence of things we don't yet understand, like 4D bleedthrough, the universal field of symbols, the cosmic mind. As well, it could be indicative of a form of manipulation or even attack, be it from this density and dimension or others.

There comes a time when you have to work with what you know and put all else in perspective of its usefulness to your goals.

In a nutshell, I believe you experienced something phenomenal, but what occurred here as a result of you trying to share it will prove to be of greater value to yourself if you work with what has been revealed.

I want to emphasize that your reactions here are common. You had/have a fear of being misunderstood and react when you feel misunderstood. This is a clue to, perhaps, a situation or environment you encountered in your younger years.

You use passive/aggressive tactics which are often learned as a child trying to express itself when such expression can be dangerous ("yes,... but" and the use of apologies to soften the effect of your stance, which becomes aggressive because of perceived injustices). Your defensiveness followed by lashing out is also another pattern behaviour, I suspect, related to early childhood.

It seems to me, a common tactic used by our controllers, to provide us with access to or glimpses of, aspects of the other side of the veil. I suspect this is done to turn us into prosletizers, crazed teachers who will not be taken seriously by the world and to distract us from self development. But such phenomenon could also occur more naturally, through meditation, for example. But without a vessel to carry such information in an objective manner, both the message and the messenger are tainted and doomed to be unfulfilled.

Gonzo
 
Wow. Gonzo, thank you very much for that. Everything you have said is completely clear and also really insightful for me. This forum is awesome.
 
Yep, I think it could not be said better, you really translated all the important points in a very direct, considerate and helpfull way here!
 
Gonzo, would you say that, as RedHawk says in his incredible book 'Self Observation', the simple act of observing our mechanical reactions (repeatedly) serves to eradicate those which are of no use?

Specifically, I refer to those which you have stated come from childhood, as I can see a lot of truth in your assessment when I think about my past.

I do not mean this to be a generic question about how to get rid of programs, as I am aware this is a question which is tackled extensively elsewhere on the forum, rather I am asking if there is anything specific to know which can be of use regarding these 'long term programs' shall we say.

Thanks again
 
domwatts23 said:
Gonzo, would you say that, as RedHawk says in his incredible book 'Self Observation', the simple act of observing our mechanical reactions (repeatedly) serves to eradicate those which are of no use?

domwatts23 said:
....rather I am asking if there is anything specific to know which can be of use regarding these 'long term programs' shall we say.

I would say that the observation serves to get rid of them (or to control them) only if you get knowlege about what is really going on and then act according to that knowlege.

intellectual knowlege is not same as experienced knowlege.
In other words knowlege is not "real" knowlege as long as you are not acting according to that knowlege and feel it with your whole beeing.

when you never drived a bike before ,you can read about "how to drive a bike" your whole life but as long as you didn't tried it yourself you won't be able to drive that bike. you will fall of the bike even though you have studied all about it intellectually before.
 
domwatts23 said:
Also, Denis, thanks for your comment and can I ask where the following quote as part of your profile comes from?

Pay attention to your thoughts; they will become your words.
Pay attention to your words; they will become your actions.
Pay attention to your actions; they will become your habits.
Pay attention to your habits; they will become your character.
Pay attention to your character, because it becomes your DESTINY

Hey domwatts23.

The quote from my signature is- if I am not mistaken- from the Talmud. I chose it because IMO it emphasizes the importance of being present in the state of self awareness. Energy flows in the direction of our attention/focus, so it is very important for us to learn how to focus the energy in order to be of value to ourselves and others. To achieve this it takes time, but with patience and persistence everything is possible. ;)
 
I agree that you had a phenomenal experience but, as I said, such things can be triggered by any number of things. Intense emotion - or suffering - can be one of those things, too! And just because they can be triggered technologically by unsavory alphabet soup agencies, doesn't mean that all such events are due to that.

Ibn al-Arabi talks about experiences that are similar as "states". You might want to read Chittick's "The Sufi Path of Knowledge" where he goes into the dangers of such things, how a person can get lost in it ...

The important thing when something like this falls on you is to keep a cool head an try to keep the observer self up and running.

And ask lots of questions.
 
Re: Introduction Domwatts23

anart said:
I think it's an interesting situation - watching who responds to the bait of domwatts23. Loud John responded, as did a few others - there is a certain flavor to domwatts23's posts, see - and it hooks in certain minds. It isn't a matter of whether or not the information offered may or may not be true or helpful - that's not the draw - it's the 'mystery of it', the enticing 'otherworldly' aspect - this is how the vast majority of newage channeler snake oil artists get their followers as well. Certain minds respond to that bait very emotionally and just want to read it because it's 'mysterious' - the signal to noise ratio isn't a factor in their decision. It all comes down to a lack of discernment - but even before one develops any level of discernment, it all comes down to hooks and bait and what a mind is attracted to. So, it's just interesting to observe.

Oh wow, thanks for pointing that out. I was pretty much baited :/
 
Ouote: "I have had experienced something similar only a few times, where I had a form of instant comprehension of things I earlier could not explain. "
As have I.
Ouote: "This knowledge, I have found, is of minimal value without having first dealt with all of the programs, the filters of perception and reactions of the little I's.
Ditto here except I usually sought help in this process by networking, as others can usually see things in us that we cannot. Domwatts appeared to be seeking this help by asking for help in analyzing his 10000 words.
Ouote: The question is: what is at the root of it? I've heard of it happening almost exactly as you describe from abductees.
What I see here is a sealed envelope marked TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN.
This thread has two camps one that says no need to open it throw it in the gargage I allready know whats in it and its garbage.
The other camp is saying it might be garbage but I won't know unless I open it and read it then if it's garbage I will throw it away.

I think the first camp is a lot further up the curve than the second camp and are trying to save the second camp from wasting their time by analyzing garbage, however the second camp may just have to experience the pain of going though the process to truly recognize that it is garbage, or not.
 
Muxel said:
In the light of this thread I find it apt to quote Laura from her Project Camelot interview here:

"[...] they think they've invented the wheel"

Hi Muxel,

Since this is your first post, welcome to our forum. :)

We recommend all new members to post an introduction in the Newbies section telling us a bit about themselves, how they found the cass material, and how much of the work here they have read.

You can have a look through that board to see how others have done it.
 
..Just in regard to the common theme here about emotional responses, and projection. Every action is driven by emotion, and the intent of every action is formulated within personal projections. Its innacurate to discuss 'more' or 'less' emotion in one response compared to another, emotion isn't measurable by numerical values, nor is it able to be defined by discrete and over-simplified categorical dichotomies such as sad vs happy, angry vs calm etc.
 
MoskoeOne said:
..Just in regard to the common theme here about emotional responses, and projection. Every action is driven by emotion, and the intent of every action is formulated within personal projections.

That's actually not true. If the centers are working correctly, and are in balance, only emotional 'actions' are driven by emotion. The intellect drives intellectual 'actions' and the motor center drives physical actions. It may be the case for you that all of your actions are driven by emotion, but that does not mean it is the case for everyone.

m said:
Its innacurate to discuss 'more' or 'less' emotion in one response compared to another, emotion isn't measurable by numerical values, nor is it able to be defined by discrete and over-simplified categorical dichotomies such as sad vs happy, angry vs calm etc.

It's not inaccurate at all to discuss 'more' or 'less' emotion. Certainly you've been very angry in the past, and also just a little angry or put out. These are examples of 'more' or 'less' emotion. I've met people who were emotionally 'dead' inside and this was quite evident - they most certainly had 'less' emotion than someone with an open and active emotional center.
 

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