Iodine and Potassium Iodide
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I ordered the Lugol`s iodine solution and it should arrive in about a month. Also all other co-factors.
My wife have a problem with her esophagus. Very often she have a feeling that when she eats thah the food is stucked there. Its not realy stucked there but she have that feeling. After eating a high carb food she also have a feeling of burning. GERD. Also her stomach fells like it burning.She even feels it on her back. Like a burning sensation that is mixed with pain at her upper back.
She had a gastroendoscopy few years ago and i cant find the papers with her final diagnosis.I just know that the doctor said that she have huge amount od acid in her stomach and her esophagus looks like it have a lot of red spots on its surface. No ulcers or any other changes.
The question is, can she use the iodine protocol without making more damage to the current condition.
I have read some articles that said that Lugols condition can make situation worst.
Here is one example
_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853081/
In the above article it says that in Esophagogastroduodenoscopy Lugols solution is sprayed directly on the esophagus.
So in this protocol we are using just a few drops of Lugols in a glass of water , so it is a very diluted when it passes through the esophagus.
I have read the whole thread about iodine and Dr Brownsteins book, but i still cant decide it its safe enough or not for her to suplement with iodine
I only remember that Lodoral pills are better solution for people with gastric problems.
Once , few months ago tried one capsulle of Betaine HCL and she have a not very plesant reaction.I was not at home when she tried it but she said that she panicked and she feel that her thong became swollen and for a few minutes it was back to normal , and after that just a slightly burning sensation in her stomach.Or maybe it was just a panic attack.
My wife have a problem with her esophagus. Very often she have a feeling that when she eats thah the food is stucked there. Its not realy stucked there but she have that feeling. After eating a high carb food she also have a feeling of burning. GERD. Also her stomach fells like it burning.She even feels it on her back. Like a burning sensation that is mixed with pain at her upper back.
She had a gastroendoscopy few years ago and i cant find the papers with her final diagnosis.I just know that the doctor said that she have huge amount od acid in her stomach and her esophagus looks like it have a lot of red spots on its surface. No ulcers or any other changes.
The question is, can she use the iodine protocol without making more damage to the current condition.
I have read some articles that said that Lugols condition can make situation worst.
Here is one example
_http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2853081/
In the above article it says that in Esophagogastroduodenoscopy Lugols solution is sprayed directly on the esophagus.
So in this protocol we are using just a few drops of Lugols in a glass of water , so it is a very diluted when it passes through the esophagus.
I have read the whole thread about iodine and Dr Brownsteins book, but i still cant decide it its safe enough or not for her to suplement with iodine
I only remember that Lodoral pills are better solution for people with gastric problems.
Once , few months ago tried one capsulle of Betaine HCL and she have a not very plesant reaction.I was not at home when she tried it but she said that she panicked and she feel that her thong became swollen and for a few minutes it was back to normal , and after that just a slightly burning sensation in her stomach.Or maybe it was just a panic attack.
I had a doctor's appointment two weeks ago (reason for going was mostly the chronic sinusitis that I can't seem to get rid of) and was diagnosed with heavy metal toxicity, vitamin D3 deficiency, leaky gut and mitochondrial dysfunction.
After reading the thread on Iodine and Dr. Brownstein's book, it seemed that the iodine protocol and especially the ATP co factors would be just the thing to address those issues.
So I've started taking Lugol's on Friday, together with the cofactors:
- Friday: Glass of water with a teaspoon of unrefined sea salt, 2 drops 5% Lugol's, vitamin B2, vitamin B3 (Thorne Resarch Niasafe-600, a slow release version), boron, selenium, zinc, NAC, milk thistle, vitamin D3, vitamin C (2 hours after Lugol's), magnesium (in the evening). There was no reaction whatsoever.
- Saturday: Salt water, 3 drops 5% Lugol's, same supplements. Still no reaction at all.
- Sunday: Salt water, 4 drops 5% Lugol's, same supplements. Chronic infection (sinus, eye) started to resurface, no headache though. Decided to double the Lugol's on Monday to see if I could fight the infection.
- Monday: Salt water, 8 drops 5% Lugol's, same supplements. I felt great all day, more energetic than I had felt in months, and the infection symptoms were much reduced. That was until the evening, when I fainted. I had told my husband that I felt dizzy and nauseous, and found myself hugging my husband at one moment and then coming to on the floor the next. I literally went unconscious in his arms, which was lucky, because otherwise I would have just fallen.
So now I am wondering if there is a connection between the iodine and the fainting, and what it was I did wrong. Most likely I increased the dose too fast? I don't usually faint, so it was rather worrying. Also not sure if I should go to the hospital to have it checked out or if I should tell my doctor (I have an appointment on Friday), because in this country they are afraid of iodine - my doctor said I should supplement with homeopathic doses only and stop immediately if there were any adverse reactions.
If anyone has had any experience with this sort of thing, advice would be very much appreciated, and I will keep reading (Lynne Farrow's Iodine Crisis at the moment). Thank you very much in advance.
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After reading the thread on Iodine and Dr. Brownstein's book, it seemed that the iodine protocol and especially the ATP co factors would be just the thing to address those issues.
So I've started taking Lugol's on Friday, together with the cofactors:
- Friday: Glass of water with a teaspoon of unrefined sea salt, 2 drops 5% Lugol's, vitamin B2, vitamin B3 (Thorne Resarch Niasafe-600, a slow release version), boron, selenium, zinc, NAC, milk thistle, vitamin D3, vitamin C (2 hours after Lugol's), magnesium (in the evening). There was no reaction whatsoever.
- Saturday: Salt water, 3 drops 5% Lugol's, same supplements. Still no reaction at all.
- Sunday: Salt water, 4 drops 5% Lugol's, same supplements. Chronic infection (sinus, eye) started to resurface, no headache though. Decided to double the Lugol's on Monday to see if I could fight the infection.
- Monday: Salt water, 8 drops 5% Lugol's, same supplements. I felt great all day, more energetic than I had felt in months, and the infection symptoms were much reduced. That was until the evening, when I fainted. I had told my husband that I felt dizzy and nauseous, and found myself hugging my husband at one moment and then coming to on the floor the next. I literally went unconscious in his arms, which was lucky, because otherwise I would have just fallen.
So now I am wondering if there is a connection between the iodine and the fainting, and what it was I did wrong. Most likely I increased the dose too fast? I don't usually faint, so it was rather worrying. Also not sure if I should go to the hospital to have it checked out or if I should tell my doctor (I have an appointment on Friday), because in this country they are afraid of iodine - my doctor said I should supplement with homeopathic doses only and stop immediately if there were any adverse reactions.
If anyone has had any experience with this sort of thing, advice would be very much appreciated, and I will keep reading (Lynne Farrow's Iodine Crisis at the moment). Thank you very much in advance.
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I noticed that my ability to eat fat decreased considerably - and it seems that this is to do with liver stress.
Plenty of NAC/ALA/milk thistle and I was back to being able to digest fat.
If you have methylation problems (or are over the age of 60, or where a vegetarian), you may want to also add sublingual methyl-b12 and methyl-folate. B12 levels and methylation are an important part of the liver detox pathways.
See here for a quick overview of liver detox pathways http://www.ei-resource.org/easyblog/entry/foods-and-supplements-to-balance-phase-1-and-phase-2-liver-detoxification/
Sleep is also vitally important for detox and protecting the liver. Right now I seem to need 9-10 hours sleep.
Plenty of NAC/ALA/milk thistle and I was back to being able to digest fat.
If you have methylation problems (or are over the age of 60, or where a vegetarian), you may want to also add sublingual methyl-b12 and methyl-folate. B12 levels and methylation are an important part of the liver detox pathways.
See here for a quick overview of liver detox pathways http://www.ei-resource.org/easyblog/entry/foods-and-supplements-to-balance-phase-1-and-phase-2-liver-detoxification/
Sleep is also vitally important for detox and protecting the liver. Right now I seem to need 9-10 hours sleep.
Finduilas495 said:
Sounds like a vasovagal reaction where your primitive vagus "went to the rescue". How are you feeling right now?
I think you should go slowly even if you don't notice any symptoms. You might not be trained to be aware when your "body says no" in terms of detox reactions and when you should slow down.
If you haven't tried any detox protocols before, there is surely quite a load of toxicity in your body. In view of this incident and even when you feel great, it is best to respect the detox process and go one step at a time.
Get very well hydrated. A glass of water with one teaspoon of unrefined salt covers the salt intake of the day, but not your water requirements. It could be that you are having too little water in proportion to the salt.
If you don't have a gadget to measure blood pressure, I would get one. Any cheap version could do, at least to give you an idea of vital signs when you're feeling unwell.
I would stop the lugol for at least 48 hours. When restarting, I would stay on the lowest dose for awhile and only increase on a weekly basis. Slowly but surely also does it.
Again, make sure you drink enough water.
My 2 cents!
osher
Jedi
I meant: is it 3%?osher said:
Z said:
I don't know how much Lugol's weights, but i think we can presume it's about the weight of water, so roughly 1ml weights 1g.
Wikipedia says 1 drop is between 1/20 to 1/10 of ml, that's 0,05 - 0,1 ml.
That would mean one drop (of my Lugol's) contains between 1,265-2,53 mg Iodine.
Konstantin said:
There is a little bit of info on that on The Iodine Crisis by Lynne Farrow, so maybe you'll find more information on the Cure Zone forum.
One drop of a lower percentage of lugol diluted in water after eating should be pretty okay. In fact, lugol has been used to treat GERD and gastroparesia. There is a testimonial on The Iodine Crisis that is very interesting.
Iodoral could be a solution, just keep in mind that it has a specific dose. It might be okay, or the dose might be too high for her.
Thank you very much for your response Gaby!
I'm feeling a bit weak at the moment, but otherwise OK, there is no headache, metallic taste etc. I thought I was paying close attention for any symptoms, but am afraid you're right that I'm not trained well enough.
Just in case I didn't take any Lugol's today, and won't tomorrow either. Then will start with one drop and increase very slowly like you said.
At the moment, I drink about 2-3 liters of water per day, will do some research to make sure it's enough and also do more research on detox and related symptoms.
Also, I will get a device to measure my blood pressure, thank you again for the advice.
It's very much appreciated
I'm feeling a bit weak at the moment, but otherwise OK, there is no headache, metallic taste etc. I thought I was paying close attention for any symptoms, but am afraid you're right that I'm not trained well enough.
Just in case I didn't take any Lugol's today, and won't tomorrow either. Then will start with one drop and increase very slowly like you said.
At the moment, I drink about 2-3 liters of water per day, will do some research to make sure it's enough and also do more research on detox and related symptoms.
Also, I will get a device to measure my blood pressure, thank you again for the advice.
It's very much appreciated
Sounds like a good plan!
Take note of the tiredness and don't do anything overwhelming while you feel like that.
On page 115 of Dr. Brownstein's book, he gives the following formula:
How to Calculate Your Water Intake
1. Take your weight in pounds
2. Divide by 2
3. The calculated number is the amount of water you should ingest in ounces per day
Take note of the tiredness and don't do anything overwhelming while you feel like that.
On page 115 of Dr. Brownstein's book, he gives the following formula:
How to Calculate Your Water Intake
1. Take your weight in pounds
2. Divide by 2
3. The calculated number is the amount of water you should ingest in ounces per day
Finduilas495 said:
Maybe the increase of iodine was too rapid? Brownstein describes how the body has to restore hormonal balances over several months, as well as revive the formerly rather inactive iodine pathways. It seems Iodine supplementation should be slowly introduced and then held steadily (no abrupt changes). It also depends on the person's system. Maybe you should start with just 1 drop and then increase the dose by 1 drop every week, or even slower, 1 drop every month?
Konstantin said:
I had something similar and the doctor said it was fat, but the only thing that fixed it was to give up carbs. It wasn't the meat in the "meat and potatoes", it was the potatoes.
Konstantin said:
It's also about people with stomach cancer.
Konstantin said:
The gastric problems you are talking about in relation to your wife sound exactly like the reflux and supposed hiatal hernia I was diagnosed with many years ago but which went away completely when I cut out carbs. (If I eat them occasionally, it can still make me have a very acidic stomach and I have to sit upright until all is digested...) It doesn't sound to me like she is suffering from a squamous cell condition as described in the paper you found.
I would just continue at a moderate dose in water, followed by drinking more water, and definitely give up the carbs.
Yes, you are right , I took it for granted because the producer of my iodine stated that one drop = 0.5 ml. When they gave me the amount of iodine per drop they too didn't take into account the iodine in KI.nicklebleu said:
But in any case with anything medical when precision is needed its best to always use milliliters rather then drops. It should be easy to obtain 1ml insulin syringe to use it for dosing of Lugol's.
Yes - it was a typo, sorry for that. It should be milligrams of iodine not grams.MusicMan said:
Gaby said:Sounds like a good plan!
Take note of the tiredness and don't do anything overwhelming while you feel like that.
On page 115 of Dr. Brownstein's book, he gives the following formula:
How to Calculate Your Water Intake
1. Take your weight in pounds
2. Divide by 2
3. The calculated number is the amount of water you should ingest in ounces per day
I've done the calculation and for my weight 2 liters seems about right.
Data said:
Yes I do think it was too much - either detox or the body being overwhelmed due to unused iodine pathways or both. Either way, I'll stay off the iodine tomorrow and then start with one drop for at least a week if not longer.
Thank you both again for your input
Foxx
The Living Force
Konstantin said:
It does sound like it might be a Hiatal Hernia to me. I'm dealing with one now and think I've had trouble with it for years (possibly longer). I haven't found a permanent fix yet in my case (including cutting carbs), but it's possible to get a diagnosis and adjustment from a chiropractor, applied kinesiologist, and possibly a good massage therapist, so it might be worth looking into. There's a thread and article on SOTT about hiatal hernias here:
https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=26922.0
http://www.sott.net/article/306463-Hiatal-Hernia-the-great-mimic-Common-condition-that-causes-digestive-issues-difficulty-breathing-increased-stress
