Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[dugdeep]

I'm using undiluted Lugol's on my feet on plantar warts, which do not respond well to standard treatment (cryotherapy and acid burning). I was close to have them removed surgically, but we will see if there's improvement with both internal and external iodine treatment. Maybe i'll try mixing Lugol's with DMSO for external use.

I've been treating a wart on my foot for a few months and have just started using duct tape to see if that'll work, since I haven't been happy with the salicylic acid pads. I've read in a few places that it's supposed to be quite effective and after a week of use, it looks like it may be (but hard to tell yet):

_http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=203979

I had some stubborn warts on both feet, plus one on my thumb, for years and the only thing I ever found that worked, after trying many different therapies, was a combination of essential oils: clove and cedar leaf. I'd apply one and then the other twice per day - once in the morning after showering and once before bed. It only took a month or two and they were gonzerooni.

That said, I'd be curious to see if topical iodine works.

 

[Chad]

I'm using undiluted Lugol's on my feet on plantar warts, which do not respond well to standard treatment (cryotherapy and acid burning). I was close to have them removed surgically, but we will see if there's improvement with both internal and external iodine treatment. Maybe i'll try mixing Lugol's with DMSO for external use.

I've been treating a wart on my foot for a few months and have just started using duct tape to see if that'll work, since I haven't been happy with the salicylic acid pads. I've read in a few places that it's supposed to be quite effective and after a week of use, it looks like it may be (but hard to tell yet):

_http://archpedi.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=203979

I had some stubborn warts on both feet, plus one on my thumb, for years and the only thing I ever found that worked, after trying many different therapies, was a combination of essential oils: clove and cedar leaf. I'd apply one and then the other twice per day - once in the morning after showering and once before bed. It only took a month or two and they were gonzerooni.

That said, I'd be curious to see if topical iodine works.

I had one on my face, left cheek, for about 2 months - i was scheduled to have it taken off - then after about a week of tea tree oil it vanished. Having had warts on my knees as a kid i figure that's what it was.

But i am also interested to hear of it's topical applications - if only out of curiousity.


Thinking about the Aquatic ape theory and our need for iodine, i thought about this fermented fish sauce that was apparently prized long ago - like Greek/Roman times.

So while i need to look into it further:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garum
Garum fish paste was prepared from the blood and intestines of fish through the process of autolysis. Fishermen would lay out their catch according to the type and part of the fish, allowing makers to pick the exact ingredients they wanted.[4] The fish parts were then macerated in salt, and cured in the sun for one to three months. The mixture fermented and liquified in the dry warmth, with the salt inhibiting the common agents of decay. Garum was the clear liquid that formed on the top, drawn off by means of a fine strainer inserted into the fermenting vessel. The sediment or sludge that remained was allec.[5] Concentrated decoctions of aromatic herbs might be added. Flavors would vary according to the locale, with ingredients sometimes from in-house gardens.[4][6]

The end product was very nutritious, retaining a high amount of protein and amino acids, along with a good deal of minerals and B vitamins.[7]

[...]

Like the modern fermented soy product soy sauce, fermented garum is rich in the natural amino acid monosodium glutamate, a source of umami flavoring.[14] It was used along with murri to give an umami flavor to dishes.[15]

Perhaps they added Seaweed? Or some sea plants? Or were just hooked on MSG?

They say it's like Anchovy paste - (added) this is what i found for Sardines:

Iodine Requirements
As a healthy adult, you need 150 micrograms of iodine daily. Pregnancy ups your needs to 220 micrograms and lactating increases your requirement to 290 micrograms. While a large 5-ounce serving of sardines provides about 35 micrograms, read the nutrition facts label, since different varieties of sardines may vary slightly in iodine content.
- See more at: http://www.livestrong.com/article/499977-iodine-levels-in-sardines/#sthash.xu7OqL6k.dpuf

So maybe they weren't getting that much from the sauce..

 

[luke wilson]

Protocol has been going good. Had a 2 day break at the weekend. Now back to usual. Only thing that has come up is tingling in my left arm that gets more pronounced when I press at a certain point on the arm leading to the sensation towards the top of the arm/right side of the hand. Not sure what it is but never had it before, probably non iodine related, hopefully should clear up soon!

In addition to the salted water, I would take some minerals to see if it helps. Minerals should help with detox symptoms too. I think some of these tinglings could be a mineral deficiency.

Can you recommend some minerals for me please as I'm probably mineral deficient? :)

 

[Gaby]

Can you recommend some minerals for me please as I'm probably mineral deficient? :)

I use the ones from "Now Company" because it is a big bottle and cheap. It is called "Full Spectrum Mineral Caps". I also take some potassium citrate when I'm doing minerals. That in addition to the magnesium.

It doesn't hurt to have minerals on your "medical stock". On the contrary :)

 

[Mikey]

That said, I'd be curious to see if topical iodine works.

I had some success in partially removing a bigger mole with lugols. I found some hints on the internet that it would work. My mole was the size and shape of a raisin -- circular with a diameter of 4mm and also elevated about 4 mm, with a light brown color -- which had bothered me because, due to its size, clothing would rub on it and irritate it.

After establishing that it was not a malignant skin growth, I started applying onto this mole 1 drop of 12% lugols solution, mixed with the same amount of DMSO cream (30% aloe vera gel + 70% of DMSO 99.99%), once per day. I added the DMSO cream simply to reduce the surface tension of the water-based lugols. Otherwise the drop just rolls off and creates a mess. After letting it sit for 30 minutes, I wiped off the mixture.

The mole started to disintegrate and shrink just after 2-3 applications. After about 10 days of application, the main volume of the mole had turned into effectively dead tissue that was easy to remove with a soft cloth while having a bath. The tissue below the removed tissue seemed to be healthy and not injured (no wound or redness). I paused for 1 week, then repeated the protocol a second time to remove the next layer.

I noticed that after letting the drop of mixture sit for 30 minutes, it loses its brown color a bit, indicating that the iodine goes into the skin with the help of DMSO, leaving back just the aloe vera gel. The lugols stains the area of application strongly, but fades after about 2-3 days (absorption and evaporation of iodine). The iodine definitely kills tissue, but I have to say in a gentle way. Treated tissue progressively turns into a dry, hard and dead crust that, after enough time and applications, can be easily and painlessly peeled off.

I've read that this method doesn't work well with small flat freckles. Bigger, voluminous moles, like in my case, seem to respond well.

Final result for now (after 2 rounds): The previously elevated mole now looks like a regular, flat, healthy mole (the deeper mole tissues apparently have not been affected by the treatment). There are no scars.

Now, this treatment obviously is highly experimental. Do not try this treatment yourself without consulting your dermatologist first, and without having thoroughly investigated this method out of your own initiative! You may end up with a result worse than it was in the beginning. Plus, every case will be different.

 

[Oxajil]

Upon closer inspection, the bottle says 2.5g (1 teaspoon) worth contains 205mg of elemental magnesium. However, It doesnt say on the bottle what kind of bioavailability it has. Im having difficulty tracking these numbers down because lots of websites claim different numbers. In any case, 2 teaspoons is 410mg of elemental magnesium. But, am I actually going to absorb that much ? I might have to take much higher doses if not ?

Can anyone provide some clues to this ?

Thanks.

Regarding bioavailability, the following may be helpful (from 'The Magnesium Miracle' by Dr. Carolyn Dean; p. 37):

Vitamin and mineral interactions with magnesium

Research has not yet progressed to the point where we know all the possible interactions of magnesium. Every year brings more intelligence on the subject.

- Both calcium and magnesium are required in order for either mineral to work properly.
- Sufficient vitamin D is necessary for the body to utilize magnesium.
- Magnesium enters into cells with the support of vitamin B1 (thiamine). If that water-soluble mineral is deficient, even if magnesium is absorbed, it won't get to its destination.
- Selenium helps magnesium stay inside cells where it belongs.

Dean also talks shortly about 'magnesium wasting': where the kidneys can't seem to hold on to magnesium. She suggests magnesium oil for this.

She also writes here:

"The best form for supplements is magnesium citrate powder for people with constipation. Magnesium oil or gel on the skin will help avoid a laxative effect for people who have loose stool. I recommend Angstrom magnesium which is low potency and 100 percent absorbed for people who have loose stool. Supplementation is safe. Magnesium, unlike calcium, is eliminated from the body when there is excess. Elimination is through the bowel and through the urine."

As she describes above, people tolerate magnesium supplements differently. Personally, I found that I tolerate malate and glycinate best.

If you feel like you're not getting enough, you can try to have a bit more and see what happens. But generally, if you take a teaspoon or less in water twice a day it should be alright, unless you notice you're not getting any benefits from it, in which case perhaps you can try out magnesium oil or another magnesium supplement. Taking selenium, vit B complex, vit D may also help in that case. Hope this helps a bit!

 

[lilies]

Anybody had the urge to laugh?

19th day on iodine:
Doesn't bother me too much, since it happens now when I see different aspects of my life situation and the laughing comes from the heart, it feels genuine, not forced, a healing laugh. It must be from the iodine, because I didn't had this before. I thought people only laugh this way in the Hollywood movies, where people shown using those long glass tube devices, smoking weed or those 'joints', for me that 'laughing while being on substances' remained a movie entertainment. I never thought iodine will have a weaker, but essentially the same effect. Somewhat like when we were children, telling jokes and after couple of minutes everybody just laughed giddily on anything being said.

Taking a teaspoon of sea salt in the morning, then 30-40mg Lugols 2% +Sel200mcg+Mag.bisglycinate at night, little cofactors [don't have money to purchase them separately ATM] and two days off good salt-flush per week. During fasted sprinting exercise [no food for 24hrs, salt in the morning, then Lugols ~20mg] I noticed a couple of significant changes:
- my heart doesn't flutter anymore
- I don't need to slow down like pre-iodine, due to feeling my heart failing like I'm gonna slowly die or something, which maybe was happening last winter. I wasn't doing fasted sprinting then at all!

Back then I felt a black hole in my chest due to angina[?]"Chest pain due to an inadequate supply of oxygen to the heart muscle". I felt rhythmic 'death-pangs' in my heart, like it was giving up and I'm gonna die because of the strain of sprinting in heavy clothing and heavy boots on snowy terrain and the cold shock of the air hurt my lungs, asthmatic wheezing, etc.. The heart pains came in pangs, so I had to stop and this always happened last winter after running a 1-2 miles.

Now its still not that cold outside (+8 °C), on iodine, doing a fasted sprinting nowadays, without food eaten couple of hours before training, so i should feel weak right? Get this:
- the second time I noticed now as if all the clogged up tissues of my body responsible for quick fluid transport were cleared up. I felt like and engine with newly cleaned filters.
- No slowing down,
- no heart fluttering,
- definitely not any heart discomfort or pain, no pressing pangs, nothing!
- feel 20 years younger at least, feel being capable of same output like back then.

I didn't even had to desperately catch my breath and I weren't so out of breath that I needed to stop like last winter. Rather the opposite, my lungs [everything] feel clearer, more able for oxygen transport to the blood and as if all enzymes would be flowing in the required quantity, where they need to go in my body.

Laura was mentioning her feeling of the whole body, all glands were supporting the giving of milk when feeding a baby. A sprinter feels in a similar way the body's all glands, joints, tendons, muscles stretching to the limit and working to support the extra physical strain, the ancient running reflex (like hunters running from the lion) and as stupid as it sounds: some of these ancient feelings or body-memories are coming back. [?]

Especially after I started doing the grounding, standing barefoot on the cold, wet thick grass patch [I planted couple months ago] in the bare garden and watching my breath steaming in the cold doing that vision-repair exercise. [on thumb 30xcounts, far tree 30x counts, repeat5x, etc.. but bought a superb 10000IU Vitamin A fish oil supplement as well. So now the exercise will definitely 'work'. ;)]

Feeling cold:
Inside sometimes I get cold hands and cold all over body. But when going outside on an errand, I feel much better tolerance to cold and not freezing at all. Cold water tolerance noticeably increased as well. Strange, huh?

Weird number 2: symptoms of my ruined knee and some joints hurting momentarily when at home, turning or jump-stepping on stairs and the same joints _not_ hurting under strain, when exercising? [?] Its weird, like not a real pain from injury, just maybe my body signaling that joint tissues are being cleared up?

 

[arpaxad]

Withania somnifera, known commonly as ashwagandha, Indian ginseng, poison gooseberry, or winter cherry, is a plant in the Solanaceae or nightshade family. Several other species in the genus Withania are morphologically similar. It is used as a herb in Ayurvedic medicine.

Notice one of the other names for Ashwagandha. Double

Well, perhaps the ashwagandha berries may be poisonous (just like the potato ones), but the part used medicinally is the ROOT (or, in some cases, the aerial parts, such as the leaves and stem), so it doesn't mean that the root is poisonous for those people who have no intolerance to nightshades, imho.

 

[Z...]

If my Lugol's is 10mg I + 20mg KI in 1g of liquid, how much percentage is it? 30%?

The most important thing is the level of Iodine per 1 drop.

One metric drop should be 0.5 ml ( but this is subjective so instead of pipette I suggest using 1 ml syringe) this equals 0.5 grams.
So it follows that one drop of your solution contains 5mg of Iodine and 10 mg of KI.

Now since KI is not just Iodine we need to establish the quantity of Iodine.

Potassium molecular weight is 39
Iodine molecular weight is 127
Potassium iodide is therefore 166

So percent iodine in KI is 127/166*100= 76.5 %

So of the 10mg you need to count 76.5/100*10 = 7.65 mg

Therefore one drop of your solution has total of 7.65 + 5 =12.65g of Iodine.

Which happens to be maintenance dose per day for people who have no serious health issues.

 

[arpaxad]

I would like to bring in my 2 cents here regarding detox. In my (non-formal) study of natural medicine, which has been going on for years, one of the first things you may hear that before ANY sort of cleansing, you have to make sure that your body's primary elimination system - that is, the intestines, - as well as the liver and gallbladder work properly. So, the first thing for any detox symptoms is to make sure that you have bowel movements that are sufficient to eliminate all the junk from your system. The second thing is to make sure that your liver and gallbladder work correctly. Many toxins are eliminated from the liver via the bile, which drips into the intestines. If you have any blockages of the gallbladder or its ducts, you should be careful. Otherwise, there are all sorts of herbs that are considered cholagogues, that is, "bile movers." The classic examples are the so-called bitter herbs, which are included in the traditional medicinal European preparations called the bitters. Other examples include turmeric, which is considered by some a supreme cholagogue. For gentle cleansing of the gallbladder, I recommend burdock root tea with some mint, ginger, St. John's wort, lemon balm, etc. I have bought burdock root in 1 lb. bags. It comes cut and sifted (that is, in relatively small pieces). For this kind of material (root pieces), traditionally the recommended preparation is decoction, that is boiling for 20 minutes. I, however, make a thermos of it, and it infuses for a long time (about an hour) and becomes quite strong. I have sipped on this kind of tea throughout the day. It's a marvellous liver/gallbladder tonic (burdock also has notable anti-cancer properties, as well as anti-HIV, and a potent skin-cleansing activity).

 

[Laura]

Withania somnifera, known commonly as ashwagandha, Indian ginseng, poison gooseberry, or winter cherry, is a plant in the Solanaceae or nightshade family. Several other species in the genus Withania are morphologically similar. It is used as a herb in Ayurvedic medicine.

Notice one of the other names for Ashwagandha. Double

Well, perhaps the ashwagandha berries may be poisonous (just like the potato ones), but the part used medicinally is the ROOT (or, in some cases, the aerial parts, such as the leaves and stem), so it doesn't mean that the root is poisonous for those people who have no intolerance to nightshades, imho.

The symptoms of the usual nightshade reaction are what prompted me to check the ingredients more closely. A potato is the root of a nightshade, too, and produces the same symptoms if eaten more than occasionally. So it seems rather certain that this is what was going on despite your opinion.

I would like to bring in my 2 cents here regarding detox.

We have entire OTHER threads on the topic of detoxing.

 

[PERLOU]

Merci RED FOX pour votre réponse... J'ai bien pris mon eau chaude salée ce matin au lever puis Vit. C, B complexe et Glycine au petit déjeuner pas de Lugol ce matin ni demain matin... Je suis sortie de chez moi ce matin, j'ai constaté marcher normalement sans douleur, conduire sans souffrance... Mon sommeil est de bonne qualité... Voilà bien longtemps que cela ne m'était pas arrivé... Je suis toute étonnée de ce bien être retrouvé... Merci à tous pour vos échanges dont je ne me lasse pas... Merci Laura de nous avoir menés sur cette voie réparatrice...

RED FOX thank you for your reply ... I have taken my warm salt water this morning at sunrise and Vit. C, B complex and Glycine at breakfast not Lugol this morning or tomorrow morning ... I left my house this morning, I found walking normally without pain, driving without suffering ... My sleep is good ... That's a long time since this had not happened to me ... I'm very surprised this property be returned ... Thanks for your interactions which I never tire ... Thanks Laura for having conducted this restorative way ...

 

[Goemon_]

If my Lugol's is 10mg I + 20mg KI in 1g of liquid, how much percentage is it? 30%?

The most important thing is the level of Iodine per 1 drop.

One metric drop should be 0.5 ml ( but this is subjective so instead of pipette I suggest using 1 ml syringe) this equals 0.5 grams.
So it follows that one drop of your solution contains 5mg of Iodine and 10 mg of KI.

Now since KI is not just Iodine we need to establish the quantity of Iodine.

Potassium molecular weight is 39
Iodine molecular weight is 127
Potassium iodide is therefore 166

So percent iodine in KI is 127/166*100= 76.5 %

So of the 10mg you need to count 76.5/100*10 = 7.65 mg

Therefore one drop of your solution has total of 7.65 + 5 =12.65g of Iodine.

Which happens to be maintenance dose per day for people who have no serious health issues.

The lugol's solution 10% has been said to be 12.65g of Iodine per drop.

Your explanation seems logical.

But, on French Wikipedia they say the lugol's solution 1% is 1g I + 2g KI for a a 100g solution.

Isn't 10 mg = 1% of 1g ?

What am I missing here ?

 

[nicklebleu]

One metric drop should be 0.5 ml ( but this is subjective so instead of pipette I suggest using 1 ml syringe) this equals 0.5 grams.

I don't think that's correct - one drop is usually 0.05ml or 20 drops to 1 ml, but as you pointed out, this is not always true, depending on the bottle type (horizontal or vertical drop type) and manufacturing.

So maybe best to calibrate - if you have a 1ml syringe, you can suck 1ml into the dropper and count - or use a precision scale to count the drops that add up to 1 g.

 

[Mikey]

But, on French Wikipedia they say the lugol's solution 1% is 1g I + 2g KI for a a 100g solution. What am I missing here ?

The percentage of a Lugols solution signifies the amount of Iodine only (ignoring the Iodide from KI). This apparently is just a convention introduced by the inventor. So a solution from 1g I + 2g KI + 100g H2O is called 1% because there is approx. 1 weight percent of Iodine in the solution.

But, when including KI, the total Iodine (in all ion forms) amount is larger than the percentage label. Thus the lookup tables we frequently see in literature. But it's fun to make an Excel spreadsheet calculation too! :)