Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[nicklebleu]

12% is not equal to 15mg/drop. I do find that strange too, but on the bottle I have, it specifies it as being equal to 5.54mg elemental iodine per drop, so the dosis is not that high as it sounds and less than in the 5% solution of Lugol

It says 5.54mg elemental iodine - but you have to add the iodine from the potassium iodine to that. So I guess in the end it will be around 15mg per drop.

 

[ines]

12% is not equal to 15mg/drop. I do find that strange too, but on the bottle I have, it specifies it as being equal to 5.54mg elemental iodine per drop, so the dosis is not that high as it sounds and less than in the 5% solution of Lugol

It says 5.54mg elemental iodine - but you have to add the iodine from the potassium iodine to that. So I guess in the end it will be around 15mg per drop.

I have a Lugol`sche solution with 12 % .

The label says that 1ml (=approximately 15 drops) contains 80mg potassium iodide and 40 mg iodine.

1 Drop contains approximately 5.3mg iodine & 2.7mg iodide

(and you have to expect an deviation of +/- 2% )

 

[ines]

1 Drop contains approximately 5.3mg iodine & 2.7mg iodide

(and you have to expect an deviation of +/- 2% )

Sorry,

i meant 5.3mg potassium iodide & 2.7mg iodine

 

[nicklebleu]

12% is not equal to 15mg/drop. I do find that strange too, but on the bottle I have, it specifies it as being equal to 5.54mg elemental iodine per drop, so the dosis is not that high as it sounds and less than in the 5% solution of Lugol

It says 5.54mg elemental iodine - but you have to add the iodine from the potassium iodine to that. So I guess in the end it will be around 15mg per drop.

I have a Lugol`sche solution with 12 % .

The label says that 1ml (=approximately 15 drops) contains 80mg potassium iodide and 40 mg iodine.

1 Drop contains approximately 5.3mg iodine & 2.7mg iodide

(and you have to expect an deviation of +/- 2% )

If you have a mix of 80mg of KJ and 40mg of iodine per ml of solution, that roughly makes it a 4% solution, not a 12%. The problem is that there is no strict convention about what percentage is what.

Hulda Clark used 44g of iodine and 88g of KJ, which should be called a 4.5% or 5% solution - but she used to call it 12%, because she added the total amount of KJ and iodine together.

Most 5% solutions contain 5g of iodine and 10g of KJ in 85ml of distilled water.

Confusing to say the least ...

 

[jen1221]

Muscle testing is how I have been figuring out my correct dose. Here is my post with a link to how to do the muscle testing. It's got pictures too, which I find helpful.

Just wanted to give an update:

Wednesday afternoon was my last update. That is when I took 200 mg based on the results of doing the applied kinesology(aka muscle testing). Here is some info about it if anyone is interested http://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,7092.msg49956.html#msg49956. I did the self muscle testing, eyes closed(standing up) as shown here http://www.healing-with-eft.com/self-muscle-testing.html.

The one mistake I made since upping my dose, was not upping my vitamin c and salt intake enough when die off symptoms first started to appear. As reported, the brain fog cleared soon after the 200 mg on Wednesday, but I also got a large pimple on my chin that evening, my left eye started to feel irritated and a bit itchy, and I had an occasional sneeze here and there(big die off symptom, duh..I ignored it).

Yesterday morning I started the day off the same, 1/2 teaspoon of salt in 1/2 cup of warm water, followed up with a glass of pure water. Then I did the muscle testing again to see if my dose had changed. This is off topic, but I want to say that I enjoy the muscle testing. To me it feels like a short meditation, you have to clear your mind and listen to your body, which is what you do during meditation, but, I don't know..I just like it. Anyhow, I ended up with 200mg of iodine split in two doses. I also added another 200mg selenium to my afternnon dose of iodine. I still took my zinc, and super B complex with my morning dose, but I also took one oregano oil capsule, four yeast cleanse capsules, and 1 scoop of Lauricidin(monolaurin supplement).

I had an increase in sneezing after my morning dose, had a second cup of salted water, some skin detox tea, had some vitamin c in a glass of water, did some work, had a light lunch and took my second dose of iodine with the extra selenium. Around 4:00 extreme sneezing started, itchy eyes, itchy throat, itchy ears, sinus pain, all of your typical hay fever symptoms. Also noticed a large boil like pimple between my shoulder blades. I had enough of the misery, did some more searching on what to take for die off symptoms. I decided on activated charcoal, a detox bath, more detox tea, more salt loading protocol, and Vitamin c to bowel tolerance. Finally, at 11pm, the sneezing stopped, along with all of the other symptoms. Long story short, tackle those detox symptoms right at the first symptom, unless you enjoy suffering.

Some interesting info I came across last night that I'm going to experiment with is worsening die off taking the liquid Logol's solution vs the pill form Iodoral. Here is the link to that post http://www.curezone.org/forums/am.asp?i=2193550.

 

[Carl]

12% is not equal to 15mg/drop. I do find that strange too, but on the bottle I have, it specifies it as being equal to 5.54mg elemental iodine per drop, so the dosis is not that high as it sounds and less than in the 5% solution of Lugol

It says 5.54mg elemental iodine - but you have to add the iodine from the potassium iodine to that. So I guess in the end it will be around 15mg per drop.

No, this is just some confusion with the wording.
On my bottle of 12% it says:
"1 metric drop contains 2.2mg of iodine and 3.3mg of iodide. Total amount of elemental iodine: 5.54mg per drop".

So this means combined.

Perhaps the drop sizes are different from those in the US. 1 drop here is defined on the bottle as 1/20 of a ml.

 

[Nienna]

12% is not equal to 15mg/drop. I do find that strange too, but on the bottle I have, it specifies it as being equal to 5.54mg elemental iodine per drop, so the dosis is not that high as it sounds and less than in the 5% solution of Lugol

It says 5.54mg elemental iodine - but you have to add the iodine from the potassium iodine to that. So I guess in the end it will be around 15mg per drop.

No, this is just some confusion with the wording.
On my bottle of 12% it says:
"1 metric drop contains 2.2mg of iodine and 3.3mg of iodide. Total amount of elemental iodine: 5.54mg per drop".

So this means combined.

Perhaps the drop sizes are different from those in the US. 1 drop here is defined on the bottle as 1/20 of a ml.

This really is confusing. On another site for a different brand of Lugol's it says that a metric drop is different from a medical drop or an imperial drop. And I find it interesting that the description specifically says metric drop; not 1 drop. And that makes me question whether the dropper they are using is NOT a metric drop, but one of the others. They do say somewhere that for researchers 1 metric drop equals.....as if that may not be what size of dropper is in the bottle.

So instead of worrying about all of this, when I get mine and read the book, I'm just going to start low and build up slowly.

 

[Laura]

So instead of worrying about all of this, when I get mine and read the book, I'm just going to start low and build up slowly.

Better yet, do the muscle testing.

We haven't done everybody in the house, but the results for half of us are interesting to say the least!

I took a paper towel and cut it into squares. On one square I put one drop, next: two drops, and so on up to 5 drops. I figured I could add them together if needed. (up to 15 drops).

First we checked if tablets or drops were best.

Then we checked the individual dosage.

Then we started going through the supplements and co-factors.

EVERYBODY IS DIFFERENT!!! And sometimes VERY different!

We are going to run the tests tomorrow just to check and confirm, but for now, this little exercise sure confirms the fact that one size does not fit all and everybody should be testing.

 

[Nienna]

So instead of worrying about all of this, when I get mine and read the book, I'm just going to start low and build up slowly.

Better yet, do the muscle testing.

We haven't done everybody in the house, but the results for half of us are interesting to say the least!

I took a paper towel and cut it into squares. On one square I put one drop, next: two drops, and so on up to 5 drops. I figured I could add them together if needed. (up to 15 drops).

First we checked if tablets or drops were best.

Then we checked the individual dosage.

Then we started going through the supplements and co-factors.

EVERYBODY IS DIFFERENT!!! And sometimes VERY different!

We are going to run the tests tomorrow just to check and confirm, but for now, this little exercise sure confirms the fact that one size does not fit all and everybody should be testing.

Thanks, Laura, I'll look into this.

 

[Yas]

So instead of worrying about all of this, when I get mine and read the book, I'm just going to start low and build up slowly.

Better yet, do the muscle testing.

We haven't done everybody in the house, but the results for half of us are interesting to say the least!

I took a paper towel and cut it into squares. On one square I put one drop, next: two drops, and so on up to 5 drops. I figured I could add them together if needed. (up to 15 drops).

First we checked if tablets or drops were best.

Then we checked the individual dosage.

Then we started going through the supplements and co-factors.

EVERYBODY IS DIFFERENT!!! And sometimes VERY different!

We are going to run the tests tomorrow just to check and confirm, but for now, this little exercise sure confirms the fact that one size does not fit all and everybody should be testing.

Thanks, Laura, I'll look into this.

Yes, me too, it is very interesting!

I'll give a little update:

I stopped the Lugol's for a few days. The swelling of my throat stopped when I stopped it, but I felt sick, very tired and had pain in the body, particularly the upper back. I also had to sleep a lot and was a bit depressed.

Yesterday, I started taking Lugol's again, I thought I'd take 4 drops of Lugol's 5%, two in the morning and two at noon. My energy levels improved immediately and also my mood and brain fog. I felt really active and did quite a lot of work during the day. Side effects: Mild shoulder pain (but I always have that one anyway) and I couldn't sleep until 1:00 am which is really strange for me (I usually sleep at around 10:00 pm), and I was really active in the evening.

Today I woke up at 7:00 am (I usually wake up at 5:00 - 5:30 am) feeling better than the previous days without Iodine, but still feeling some drowsiness and a headache, all of which went away after I took my salted water. I took 3 drops of Lugol's, thinking that it might be best to take only one drop at noon, so that I won't be so energized in the evening. I've been feeling quite well throughout the day so far, but I'm already starting to feel some cramp-like pain in my knees and that my tonsils and lymph nodes are inflammed. Now, I will observe how it goes over the next hours, but I don't know if this could be due to an infection that it's being activated or to detox, or both. I guess I'll have to continue with the pulse dosing for while and try the muscle testing for the next days on Lugol's.

I also have the hunger some have reported. I'm just hungry all the time, but I don't crave sugar, chocolate of caffeine, just food, I'm eating small bits of fatty meat and it helps.

Another thing I'm wondering is about NAC. It's been quite good for me generally but lately I usually have a drop-of-energy sensation after I've taken it. I noticed that I don't have this sensation when I don't take it so that's why I think it is NAC-related. And I think it also makes my stomach feel a bit acidic. I've read that some people experience these symptoms with NAC, so maybe I should also stop it for a few days ??

I will take some more Vit C and and salt water now and see how it goes for the rest of the day.

 

[Djc123]

I have been on Lugol's for 10 days and I have found the best way to get the dose and cofactors right is to do muscle testing beforehand. I have built up to 15 drops a day and if you ask the body beforehand it will tell you the correct answer (eg the number of drops for that day). Same for cofactors, if you stay strong when holding eg selenium you can then ask the correct dose too.

It takes the guesswork out of it all as the body knows what it needs and will give you the correct answer every time. If you want to know how to muscle test, search youtube or google it.

I think this might be a good idea for those who are able to do it. What method do you use and exactly how do you determine the dosage? I was thinking about putting doses of lugols on strips of tissue paper and running through them one at a time to find out which one was ideal since one can't exactly put a pill or two in the hand for testing.

It is best to muscle test with a partner with arm outstretched with the partner pressing down for strength or weakness to any question. (See David Hawkins 'Power vs Force' approach). It is possible to do it with the thumb and ring finger method, but not as accurate IMO. You can also get yes/no answers to questions with a pendulum. I am a bit weird in that I have a 'yes' answering system going on with my feet. If I ask a question I get a muscle twitch in my right foot if the answer is 'strong' or no twitch at all if the answer is weak. This is beyond my conscious mind's control, but you can give permission for this to occur for muscle testing purposes if you wish for yourself. You can ask the body any question and it will respond with either strength (energy) or weakness (lack of energy). Getting the dosage right is asking enough questions that can be a yes or no answer.

 

[T.C.]

I also have the hunger some have reported. I'm just hungry all the time, but I don't crave sugar, chocolate of caffeine, just food, I'm eating small bits of fatty meat and it helps.

Hi Yas

I've managed to get my hunger back under control now. A couple of things: I've been taking the tyrosine since I got back on the lugols, and it took a couple of days for me to notice any difference, but yesterday and today I've been fine. The recommended dose is 500mg 3 x per day, but I'm finding taking 1000mg in the morning and 500-1000 in the evening works best for me at the moment. The other thing is I've gone back to doing alternate day intermittent fasting, rather than just having an eating window. Two of the fast days I had breakfast, and one of them, I didn't, and it didn't seem to make any difference either way - each day went smoothly.

I've also simplified my diet, being much stricter and cutting carbs (which was just sauerkraut, really) down to almost zero and just having meat/fat/pate/broth.

Are you a body type that needs much carbs? Do you have much carbs with your meals? I'm just thinking if there's any way you might be able to reduce your insulin to minimise hunger as much as possible?

 

[ines]

If you have a mix of 80mg of KJ and 40mg of iodine per ml of solution, that roughly makes it a 4% solution, not a 12%. The problem is that there is no strict convention about what percentage is what.

Hulda Clark used 44g of iodine and 88g of KJ, which should be called a 4.5% or 5% solution - but she used to call it 12%, because she added the total amount of KJ and iodine together.

Most 5% solutions contain 5g of iodine and 10g of KJ in 85ml of distilled water.

Confusing to say the least ...

nicklebleu thanks for the clarification.

(The site of the manufacturer delivered additional hints to unterstand the calculation.

For interested (if not already posted in this thread) :
__http_://www.healthleadsuk.com/supplements/liquid-concentrates-solutions-etc/lugols-iodine-solution-12-per-cent.html

 

[Yas]

I also have the hunger some have reported. I'm just hungry all the time, but I don't crave sugar, chocolate of caffeine, just food, I'm eating small bits of fatty meat and it helps.

Hi Yas

I've managed to get my hunger back under control now. A couple of things: I've been taking the tyrosine since I got back on the lugols, and it took a couple of days for me to notice any difference, but yesterday and today I've been fine. The recommended dose is 500mg 3 x per day, but I'm finding taking 1000mg in the morning and 500-1000 in the evening works best for me at the moment. The other thing is I've gone back to doing alternate day intermittent fasting, rather than just having an eating window. Two of the fast days I had breakfast, and one of them, I didn't, and it didn't seem to make any difference either way - each day went smoothly.

I've also simplified my diet, being much stricter and cutting carbs (which was just sauerkraut, really) down to almost zero and just having meat/fat/pate/broth.

Are you a body type that needs much carbs? Do you have much carbs with your meals? I'm just thinking if there's any way you might be able to reduce your insulin to minimise hunger as much as possible?

Thanks T.C.

Yeah, I've ordered tyrosine a few days ago, but it didn't arrive yet. I've been reading a bit about it and it seems that I had to try it anyway, even before starting with the Lugol.

I usually eat very little carbs. I notice I do best with almost no carbs in my diet. When I eat more than what I usually eat, I start feeling hungry all the time as if it kicks me out of ketosis very easily. The thing is that I've been a fat-free sugar loaded vegetarian for a quite a long time, so I guess I still have some time until my system gets truly balanced.

I took some vit C and plenty of water, did EE and I feel much better now. No more swelling of the throat, just some pain in the knees. I'll take some more minerals later on.

I think that drinking a lot of water is really important as has been said many times here. I drink a lot of tea and mate and what I noticed it that it is true that those drinks actually don't count as plain water, so I'm adding more cups of plain water and lowering the tea and mate (this has caffeine in it, so maybe that's why I don't crave caffeine - I drink it all the time with my mate).

 

[big-picture]

My mom and I have been using lugol's 5% but we have only been using it topically (staining the skin 2x a day) Ive heard that most of the iodine evaporates this way, however I am nervous to ingest it. So far the results have been amazing, I do have a headache and feel drowsy, but my mental clarity and energy has improved. That sure sounds like an oxymoron haha. I was wondering if the topical use of the iodine is sufficient? Also, I feel like my appetite has decreased quite a bit and I get fuller way faster. If I am not strict with what I eat I seem to get sick within an hour of eating, has anyone else had these effects?
Thanks for the feedback