Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Kay Kim]

According to Dr. Brownstein, unrefined salt is an excellent detoxification aid, as well as provider of mineral nutrients in a naturally bio-available balance.

Unrefined Salt Benefits

. Remove toxins and metabolic wastes from the cells.
. Maintain and help regulate blood pressure.
. Maintain acid- base balance.
. Increasing the Glial Cells in brain.
. Supporting the function of adrenal glands.
. Balance sugar levels in the blood.
. Helps treat emotional disorders.
. Clear the lungs of mucus and sticky phlegm.
. Prevent muscle cramps.
. Make bones firm.
. Vital for maintaining sexuality and libido.
. Carrying nutrients into and out of cells.
. Prevent varicose veins and spider veins.
. Stabilizes irregular heartbeat.
. Essential to nerve cell communication.
. Prevent excess saliva production, saliva flowing out of the mouth during sleep may indicate salt deficiency.

Unrefined salt contain a broad spectrum of trace elements, often in the same balance as are found in human blood.

Maintaining adequate hydration is the single most important health factor in any detoxication program.

If you're not drinking enough water, the body finds the extra water it needs by robbing its own cells.

Too high a concentration of salt in the body can lead to irritability, muscle twitching, seizures, brain damage and coma.

Use it in moderation.

Some Types Salt are Dangerous
All salt is sea salt in some form or another. However common table salt is, through the refinement process valuable minerals are removed, so virtually no benefits for the body and it cause numerous health problems, including gallstones.

Iodized salt was add over 70 years ago to combat goiter and cretinism, and has been some successful. However, woefully inadequate in preventing many other thyroid disorders.

Kosher salt is obtained by compressing table salt crystals under high pressure in order to create larger crystals, that is particularly efficient at extracting the blood. That is why it is used during Koshering meat to draw out the blood, because Jewish Law required blood to be extracted from meat before eat.

 

[lainey]

So, you can see, niacin is a bit more problematical than niacinamide. However, it also seems clear that SOME niacin is helpful though I would suggest staying under the flushing level!

If one wants to get both forms, it may be a good idea to take a b-complex tablet which contains niacin in a below-flush dose, in addition to taking Niacinamide 500-1000mg as a separate supplement. It will also be enough to cover any potential major B-vitamin deficiencies (other than B12 which is very poorly absorbed in the gut and is generally taken sublingually). Do find one that does not contain folic acid, and instead contains folate/MTHF, in case you have a MTHFR gene problem - there is a thread on this too. Jarrow B-right is a good option, with 25mg niacin, and they recently swapped the folic acid for the 5MTHF form.

Another thing is to be aware of the ingredients in your B complex as a lot that I looked at had vitamin C in them as well so you wouldn't want to take that at/around the same time as your iodine.

 

[T.C.]

I did 4 days off the iodine and food cravings went away and my finger lump has gone down a bit and isn't as angry. As has been said about detoxing continuing, together with the bodily 12 day bromine half life, during those 4 days, I had a lot of eyelid ticking and disturbed sleep - not dreams, just struggling to get to sleep and then waking up periodically and then waking up early.

But I reread some info and the what the c's said about iodine and began taking it again yesterday. Well, my food cravings have come back again (oh, and I'm taking tyrosine now, but it's not so much sweet craving, it's just food craving - it's not even hunger) and I remembered Gaby saying something from Keto Adapted (which I bought and haven't had time to read yet) about avoiding lazy thyroid:

Thanks for the article Gaby. What is your opinion of alternately switching from ketosis to sugar-burning mode at 3-4 day intervals? Maria Emmerich recommends doing this in Keto-adapted to prevent the thyroid from becoming "lazy" (Im not sure what this implies). I'd really appreciate if you could shed some light on this :)

Yeah, she relates how overeating on some days keeps they thyroid stimulated, "tones up metabolism" where the thyroid gland has to keep up with availability of food. She gives the example that eating the same quantity every single day, at the same time, can make the thyroid lazy. This research has been around for some time and we actually have a thread somewhere in this forum about it, but I cannot find it right now :/

I remember reading a testimonial from one of Emmerich's clients. This person was surprised that by overeating, her weight dropped even further the day afterwards. Prior to that, she was weighting the same and could not drop weight despite not overeating.

I think that ideally, this should come naturally. Some days you are very hungry and you overeat. The next day, you might feel very full and would rather skip a meal, like doing a natural intermittent fasting.

Some people recommend overeating carbs, others (including Emmerich) recommends to do it with protein.

I guess that the choice depends on the individual.

So, I'm beginning to think these hunger pangs are tied to the iodine and thyroid. For some reason I think there's a fail-safe happening. I do tend to eat the same sized meals at the same time every day and have done for months. And I have gotten colder over the last month, core and extremities, though I just put that down to winter coming in.

So, maybe my thyroid has gotten lazy since I switched to the keto diet and now it's getting iodine, it's making me crave food in order to - I don't know - help it fire up back into working properly again.

Just some thoughts, in case others are having similar issues or if it's another genuine piece of the health puzzle.

 

[Marina9]

I did 4 days off the iodine and food cravings went away and my finger lump has gone down a bit and isn't as angry. As has been said about detoxing continuing, together with the bodily 12 day bromine half life, during those 4 days, I had a lot of eyelid ticking and disturbed sleep - not dreams, just struggling to get to sleep and then waking up periodically and then waking up early.

But I reread some info and the what the c's said about iodine and began taking it again yesterday. Well, my food cravings have come back again (oh, and I'm taking tyrosine now, but it's not so much sweet craving, it's just food craving - it's not even hunger) and I remembered Gaby saying something from Keto Adapted (which I bought and haven't had time to read yet) about avoiding lazy thyroid:

Thanks for the article Gaby. What is your opinion of alternately switching from ketosis to sugar-burning mode at 3-4 day intervals? Maria Emmerich recommends doing this in Keto-adapted to prevent the thyroid from becoming "lazy" (Im not sure what this implies). I'd really appreciate if you could shed some light on this :)

Yeah, she relates how overeating on some days keeps they thyroid stimulated, "tones up metabolism" where the thyroid gland has to keep up with availability of food. She gives the example that eating the same quantity every single day, at the same time, can make the thyroid lazy. This research has been around for some time and we actually have a thread somewhere in this forum about it, but I cannot find it right now :/

I remember reading a testimonial from one of Emmerich's clients. This person was surprised that by overeating, her weight dropped even further the day afterwards. Prior to that, she was weighting the same and could not drop weight despite not overeating.

I think that ideally, this should come naturally. Some days you are very hungry and you overeat. The next day, you might feel very full and would rather skip a meal, like doing a natural intermittent fasting.

Some people recommend overeating carbs, others (including Emmerich) recommends to do it with protein.

I guess that the choice depends on the individual.

So, I'm beginning to think these hunger pangs are tied to the iodine and thyroid. For some reason I think there's a fail-safe happening. I do tend to eat the same sized meals at the same time every day and have done for months. And I have gotten colder over the last month, core and extremities, though I just put that down to winter coming in.

So, maybe my thyroid has gotten lazy since I switched to the keto diet and now it's getting iodine, it's making me crave food in order to - I don't know - help it fire up back into working properly again.

Just some thoughts, in case others are having similar issues or if it's another genuine piece of the health puzzle.

As far as i've read in the thread this hunger or cravings are happening to some of us. I was always used to eating the same thing at the same time and same portions too, yesterday my hunger went crazy at night. It's been 10 days on the protocol i've not taken days off, but lower my dose some day's. Today im having this very bad headache, but overall the symptoms have been controlable; a little bit of irritability, I wake up some days with some inflamation on my eye lids, energy followed by some lethargy (mostly in the afternoons), and this craving for chocolate, as you mention l-tyrosine helps with cravings, i haven't purchased it yet, but i'll be looking forward to get some.

Thanks for sharing T.C!

 

[Ysus]

I was just wondering if it could help some people to get faster access and a good initial overview of this topic if the link to Gaby’s concise and informative sott focus article: “Iodine – Suppressed knowledge that can change your life” were moved to the beginning of this very long thread.

http://www.sott.net/article/307684-Iodine-Suppressed-knowledge-that-can-change-your-life

On a more personal note: I gave myself a 3 day break from the protocol and found myself tidying and ordering and organizing quite a few things in “flat and mind”. I’ve got a bit of a cold but am of acceptable cheer. Since yesterday I am back on schedule with just one drop of Lugol’s 5%.

And, Z, you inspired me to make a fantasy connection: Master Yoda, Jedi of iodine…

Perhaps we should stick to factual data about Iodine on this thread but here is a bit of metaphysical "trivia" which should be mentioned:

Iodine = Jod ( pronounciation in large number of languages, written as Yod or Jod) = 10th letter of Hebrew alphabet (pronounced as Yud, Yod, Jod or Jodh)

As Yud is the smallest letter, much kabbalistic and mystical significance is attached to it. According to the Gospel of Matthew Jesus mentioned it during the Antithesis of the Law when he says: "One jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

In Jewsih mystical tradition, Yod represents mere dot, a divine point of energy. Yod is considered the starting point of presence of God in all things - the "spark" of the Spirit in everything.

Interesting, no?

 

[Aeneas]

Thank you for all the info in this thread.

I am now on day 13 of taking Lugol and have noticed mild detox reactions such as fleeting headache sensations, a lot more dream activity, warmer after cold-adaptation swims and generally good energy levels.

After Laura mentioned about niacinamide instead of niacin, I checked the bottle, ATP cofactors, that I have and found it has 100mg B2 and 500mg B3 as niacin The pill is produced by the people who make Lugol in tablet form, Iodoral and it was recommended for people on the Iodine protocol, which was why I grapped it. Yes, I have had a few red flushes, but nothing shocking. In that regard, 25 years ago, in eyesight improvement courses, that I attended, niacin in small dosis (100mg) was encouraged to stimulate the blood flow and thereby also the eyes. Still 100 mg can be enough to get a hot flush.

I will look around for another source of B3 that has niacinamide.

 

[bianca etezete]

First of all, thank you all for this lot of valuable information here!

I have a lot of conditions, some for years now, which couldn't be helped by a doctor. My experience with various doctors was always more or less the same:"Dont worry, you look healthy, its just a cold/joint pain/cough that simply occurs to ppl... its normal at some age" (I am 46 now). Well, I didnt agree that feeling sick like literally always is a normal condition...

I am sick for months now, I have something like a cold, with cough and all, and I don't have the feeling that it is one cold after the other, but the same condition that changes in periodic rythms by emphasizing differnt pains: strong shoulder and neck-pain, strange aching in the upper arms, headaches, runny nose, coughing, feeling exhausted etc.

I'm perimenopausal for 8 months now, I have heat flares in rythmic accordance, but I have a thyroid condition as well. Most of the women in my Family have Hashimotos disease, to one degree or another, and it is now for 20 years that I can feel my thyroid. Visited a lot of Endocrinologists, too, and got four (4!) different diagnoses: some said hypo-, some hyper-thyroidism, one guessed hashimoto and one even said there is no thyroid problem with me at all, I'm just like hypochondric!

In addition I have a somehow quirky condition with my intestines. I can feel the spot, where the small intestine merges into the colon and I think this is not good at all. It got better very much over the last year by paleo diet, (needless to say that doctors couldn't find anything there in the past...nor recommended any diet, just offered junk-pharma.)

I have plowed through this thread and read Farrows book (Brownsteins book seems to be still on the way, for weeks now...) and for weeks ago I started my iodine protocoll, using Lugol's solution 5% and the salt protocoll and drinking a lot of water in addition:

1st week, 1st day: 1 drop,
2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th day: 2 drops

2 days off iodine, but continuing saltwater and drinking a lot of water.

During this first week I had a very mild but constant headache, while simultaniously feeling energized, like many of you described it. Clenching thirst! I drank 3-4 liters of water every day. I sweated a lot, slept quite ok, but also with a lot of sweating. I peed a lot as well. The headache went away when pausing iodine.

2nd week, 1st day: 2 drops,
2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th day: 3 drops

again 2 days off iodine, but continuing saltwater and drinking a lot of water.

The mild headache appeared on the second day, but even milder than the week before and not that constant. Again I felt energized, and the effect seemed to be even stronger than the week before. again I was contantly thirsty, could pee a lot and sweated as hell.

3rd week, 1st day: 3 drops, here I started taking Selen and magnesium, at first 200 mcg Selenium in the morning, 375 mcg Magnesium before bed, than lowering Selenium to 100mcg and somehow this worked better for me.
2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th day: 4 drops,

2 days off iodine, but continuim all the others.

During this third week I simply felt "normal", which means that somehow the "being energized effect" had worn off, but I had no headaches either. Instead some of my conditions flared up, but always only for a very short time: For one hour on the second day for example my left ellbow joint was throbbing, something I had a lot of problems with one year plus ago, the other day it was the lower back that was hurting/feeling stiff, but also only for two or so hours.

4th week, 1st day: 4 drops,
2nd, 3rd and 4th day: 5 drops, fifth day to come (tomorrow) will be 5 drops as well.

again I will have 2 days off ( boring, I know, I'm not so much the experimenter, I do as I feel it works for me, usually very slowly).

This forth week so far: Very soft stool in the mornings, but besides that: Nothing. No flares, no pains or headaches, the third day I recognized some very little, pointy spots... but they disappeared the next day, and I have always had problems with my skin, esp. face and upper back, so I simply do not know whether this is realted to detox. I would guess that detox-spots would be a lot worse and more persisting, but I have to agree I do not know.

I had a strange sensation yesterday, it was almost as if I would get my menstruation again, you know? this dragging sensation in the underbelly which sends prickeling sensations over the skin to the temples...
Anyways I didnt actually GET my menstruation again, it was only an as if feeling. In the past my menstruation was always accompanied by loose stool in the mornings, so I tend to theínk, that this is somehow related.

But besides that nothing.

I for myself tend to go on like this until i get a reaction, as slowly as before, and the deciding by the intenseness of the reaction how to proceed. I feel tired and depressed for years now, so I decided to order the ATP cofactors and Vit C (which is still on the way). I do have to say, that I was very touchy/emotional the last week, but on the other hand I have been that way periodically for years now, so I cannot decide whether this is in any form related. I think it is, but only in an emphasizing or lets say amplifying form.

Should I go on like this? Is there anything that speakes against it? With 5 drops I am at 31.25 mg of Iodine a day. Is it normal that I have so little/almost none symptoms? And no improvements also. I still have mycough/cold like symptomes, my skin didn't get better as well (but it didnt get worse as well). Farrow recommends 50 mg a day as the stay-healthy dose, but from what I read here I learned that Laura and others do not recommend that dose per se to everyone. Again, I feel very safe with my method of slowly upping the dose week by week, I am just asking myself if i am blind to something important here.

Maybe I should explain why I am "expecting" stronger detox-reactions. When I was 15 I was diagnosed with asthma and was told to take a inhalation-spray as medicine. It didnt work well, my so called asthma didnt go away and I had the strong feeling that the spray was poisoning me. I told it to my doctor then and this was - as I remember it - the very first time that a doctor told me that what I feel is not what I feel. That I totally cannot evaluate my own medical condition. It took me almost a ful year to decide that I will not take that spray any longer.

As I researched the detox-capabilities of Iodine, I stumbled upon the fact that those asthma sprays contain a lot of bromides. Well, I inhaled that stuff for almost a year in my young years, so I am pretty sure that this was maybe one cause for my various conditions I developped later on. From Allergies (e.g. strong hayfever) to other respiratory problems and maybe even the one acuminate condyloma that appeared the same year (and I have until now!) comes from that.

If I am mistaken at any point, please correct me.

Thanks again for all the information here!

 

[Lycurgus]

Thank you for all the info in this thread.

I am now on day 13 of taking Lugol and have noticed mild detox reactions such as fleeting headache sensations, a lot more dream activity, warmer after cold-adaptation swims and generally good energy levels.

After Laura mentioned about niacinamide instead of niacin, I checked the bottle, ATP cofactors, that I have and found it has 100mg B2 and 500mg B3 as niacin The pill is produced by the people who make Lugol in tablet form, Iodoral and it was recommended for people on the Iodine protocol, which was why I grapped it. Yes, I have had a few red flushes, but nothing shocking. In that regard, 25 years ago, in eyesight improvement courses, that I attended, niacin in small dosis (100mg) was encouraged to stimulate the blood flow and thereby also the eyes. Still 100 mg can be enough to get a hot flush.

I will look around for another source of B3 that has niacinamide.

I'm also using Optimox's ATP Cofactors, you dont need to worry about throwing away what you have. If you check the bottle in brackets next to niacin it sais inositol hexanicotinate, this is a newer form of vitamin b3 that doesnt cause flushing.

A little explanation:

Inositol hexanicotinate is a special form of niacin (scientifically referred to as the exanicotinic acid ester of meso-inositol). It allows users to experience the benefits of this vitamin without having to endure the niacin flush. This natural compound combines niacin with the vitamin Inositol, which is one of nine isomeric alcohols commonly found in both animal and plant tissues. The supplement as a 70% bioavailability and is absorbed from the stomach intact, where it gets hydrolysed into free nicotinic acid and inositol. The result is a slower release of niacin into the bloodstream which may avoid the skin flushing side effect.

In chemical terms, inositol hexanicotinate is created when 6 molecules of niacin attach to a single molecule of inositol. When IHN is introduced into the bloodstream, it releases niacin. The inositol acts to slow down the absorption of the niacin, elongating its anticholesterolemic functioning. The following advantages are experienced without the niacin flush, and without overtaxing the liver:

Enhanced peripheral glucose utilization;
Reduction in by-products of glycolysis found in serum;
Strengthened inhibition of lipolysis;
It’s important to note that there are also “timed release” niacin supplements available that are not the same as inositol hexanicotinate. These timed-release pills also help users to avoid the flushing, but they can be quite taxing on the liver. Clinical testing has shown that these “slow-release” niacin supplements increase fatty acids in the liver and can lead to liver toxicity.

The rest of the article can be found here: http://nootriment.com/inositol-hexanicotinate/

 

[Aeneas]

...

I'm also using Optimox's ATP Cofactors, you dont need to worry about throwing away what you have. If you check the bottle in brackets next to niacin it sais inositol hexanicotinate, this is a newer form of vitamin b3 that doesnt cause flushing.

A little explanation:

Inositol hexanicotinate is a special form of niacin (scientifically referred to as the exanicotinic acid ester of meso-inositol). It allows users to experience the benefits of this vitamin without having to endure the niacin flush. This natural compound combines niacin with the vitamin Inositol, which is one of nine isomeric alcohols commonly found in both animal and plant tissues. The supplement as a 70% bioavailability and is absorbed from the stomach intact, where it gets hydrolysed into free nicotinic acid and inositol. The result is a slower release of niacin into the bloodstream which may avoid the skin flushing side effect.

In chemical terms, inositol hexanicotinate is created when 6 molecules of niacin attach to a single molecule of inositol. When IHN is introduced into the bloodstream, it releases niacin. The inositol acts to slow down the absorption of the niacin, elongating its anticholesterolemic functioning. The following advantages are experienced without the niacin flush, and without overtaxing the liver:

Enhanced peripheral glucose utilization;
Reduction in by-products of glycolysis found in serum;
Strengthened inhibition of lipolysis;
It’s important to note that there are also “timed release” niacin supplements available that are not the same as inositol hexanicotinate. These timed-release pills also help users to avoid the flushing, but they can be quite taxing on the liver. Clinical testing has shown that these “slow-release” niacin supplements increase fatty acids in the liver and can lead to liver toxicity.

The rest of the article can be found here: http://nootriment.com/inositol-hexanicotinate/

Thanks Lycurgus for adding that bit of info.

 

[Laura]

I'm also using Optimox's ATP Cofactors, you dont need to worry about throwing away what you have. If you check the bottle in brackets next to niacin it sais inositol hexanicotinate, this is a newer form of vitamin b3 that doesnt cause flushing.

A little explanation:

Inositol hexanicotinate is a special form of niacin (scientifically referred to as the exanicotinic acid ester of meso-inositol). It allows users to experience the benefits of this vitamin without having to endure the niacin flush. This natural compound combines niacin with the vitamin Inositol, which is one of nine isomeric alcohols commonly found in both animal and plant tissues. The supplement as a 70% bioavailability and is absorbed from the stomach intact, where it gets hydrolysed into free nicotinic acid and inositol. The result is a slower release of niacin into the bloodstream which may avoid the skin flushing side effect.

In chemical terms, inositol hexanicotinate is created when 6 molecules of niacin attach to a single molecule of inositol. When IHN is introduced into the bloodstream, it releases niacin. The inositol acts to slow down the absorption of the niacin, elongating its anticholesterolemic functioning. The following advantages are experienced without the niacin flush, and without overtaxing the liver:

Enhanced peripheral glucose utilization;
Reduction in by-products of glycolysis found in serum;
Strengthened inhibition of lipolysis;
It’s important to note that there are also “timed release” niacin supplements available that are not the same as inositol hexanicotinate. These timed-release pills also help users to avoid the flushing, but they can be quite taxing on the liver. Clinical testing has shown that these “slow-release” niacin supplements increase fatty acids in the liver and can lead to liver toxicity.

The rest of the article can be found here: http://nootriment.com/inositol-hexanicotinate/

But notice in the excerpts I posted here: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,13371.msg619991.html#msg619991

“Slow release” varieties have higher hepatotoxic activity, hence some types of prescription niacin are not recommended due to potential harm.

One form of dietary supplement is inositol hexanicotinate (IHN), which is inositol that has been esterified with niacin on all six of inositol's alcohol groups. IHN is usually sold as "flush-free" or "no-flush" niacin in units of 250, 500, or 1000 mg/tablets or capsules. It is sold as an over-the-counter formulation, and often is marketed and labeled as niacin, thus misleading consumers into thinking they are getting the active form of the medication. While this form of niacin does not cause the flushing associated with the immediate-release products, the evidence that it has lipid-modifying functions is contradictory, at best.

After reading up on both forms of the vitamin, I think all would be better served getting the niacinamide.

 

[Aeneas]

But notice in the excerpts I posted here: https://cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php/topic,13371.msg619991.html#msg619991

“Slow release” varieties have higher hepatotoxic activity, hence some types of prescription niacin are not recommended due to potential harm.

One form of dietary supplement is inositol hexanicotinate (IHN), which is inositol that has been esterified with niacin on all six of inositol's alcohol groups. IHN is usually sold as "flush-free" or "no-flush" niacin in units of 250, 500, or 1000 mg/tablets or capsules. It is sold as an over-the-counter formulation, and often is marketed and labeled as niacin, thus misleading consumers into thinking they are getting the active form of the medication. While this form of niacin does not cause the flushing associated with the immediate-release products, the evidence that it has lipid-modifying functions is contradictory, at best.

After reading up on both forms of the vitamin, I think all would be better served getting the niacinamide.

Thanks Laura, it is a good idea to be on the safe side. I have placed an order for niacinamide and B2 separately.

 

[Gaby]

Should I go on like this? Is there anything that speakes against it? With 5 drops I am at 31.25 mg of Iodine a day. Is it normal that I have so little/almost none symptoms? And no improvements also.

I think you're doing a good job, but I would be more patient with the process. Something is happening: you are now having +30mg of iodine, whereas before you only had some mcg of iodine at best. Due to your background, it might be best to be patient with your body. You might wake up one day and see retrospectively that things have changed much.

I started over a month ago, more and less. While at the beginning there were a few days of very depressed mood, this week people told me that they didn't knew I could get so angry. I got mad over an issue which was job-related. I tend to ignore the high drama for peace of mind, but this time my BS meter went over the roof over madness and hysteria which was completely unwarranted and which I could simply not ignore. No one died on the cross fire, so no harm done. Still, it made me realize how things could be happening in our brain chemistry and hormones that we are not aware until one day when the genie is out of the bottle, so to speak.

My 2 cents!

 

[Gawan]

It seems I'm really sensitive towards Lugols 12%, because with 2 times 4 drops I couldn't barely move for 2 days since I developed kind of flu symptoms. With that I stopped it immediately for over 2 days and started then again with only 2 times 2 drops for the day and the recommended supplements.

The downside of vitamin B3 is (either with flush or without), that it increases the insulin resistance and also studies seem to prove it beside my experiences of the past with the flush B3. With that it is a plus minus 0 effect of my insulin need. Iodine reduces it and vitamin 3 increases it. Only the biggest problem is, when I forget to take vitamin B3 the blood sugar drops within several hours tool low. So I really consider taking a lower dose of B3 or to drop it entirely, because it is easier to handle. The positive effect is, my blood sugar is still more stable than before.

Another test with slowly increasing 2 times 3 drops during the day is also still too much, where I'm like an energizer bunny and developing some headaches where again I need to take a iodine break because my muscles start to ache again and I'm freezing.

Generally 2 times 2 drops of 12% lugols seem to be the best way for 3-4 days and once I feel a bit of discomfort I need to take a (regularly) iodine break again, since I need to work and that I can do my daily job.

 

[genero81]

I've continued to increase the dose by 1 drop/day Today will be 15 drops 5% Lugol's in 2 doses. The only thing to report is that on Tuesday I worked out in the morning and worked that evening. I noticed at the beginning of the shift I felt tired already. By the end of the shift I was very physically exhausted. I did 10 drops in 2 doses that day. But I slept really well that night and woke up fine the next day. I decided to take off from exercising that day and the next. Friday I swam 16 laps in the pool (about a third of a mile) and worked that night. I was fine. 13 drops that day. I would still say over all I'm less exhausted than before I started Iodine. The patches of psoriasis are looking better. Thinner and not as inflamed. Not sure if that is due to internal or external application or both. I'm using salt and co-factors. I have liver support ready should I start to experience significant detox symptoms. I have experienced increased appetite, more frequent urination, and super vivid dreams. More like mini adventures. Sometimes I wake up literally going wow that was amazing! I've kept up with the thread and Brownstein's book should arrive this week.

I mentioned in a thread on psoriasis that the only time my skin cleared from an all natural approach was when I was on the Macrobiotic diet. I was thinking in terms of what I wasn't ingesting (wheat and dairy) which probably played a part. But what I didn't think of was what I was ingesting on a regular basis which was homemade Miso soup to which I was adding seaweed. That may have provided enough iodine at that time to do the trick. Noteworthy at least.

 

[RedFox]

It seems I'm really sensitive towards Lugols 12%, because with 2 times 4 drops I couldn't barely move for 2 days since I developed kind of flu symptoms. With that I stopped it immediately for over 2 days and started then again with only 2 times 2 drops for the day and the recommended supplements.

The downside of vitamin B3 is (either with flush or without), that it increases the insulin resistance and also studies seem to prove it beside my experiences of the past with the flush B3. With that it is a plus minus 0 effect of my insulin need. Iodine reduces it and vitamin 3 increases it. Only the biggest problem is, when I forget to take vitamin B3 the blood sugar drops within several hours tool low. So I really consider taking a lower dose of B3 or to drop it entirely, because it is easier to handle. The positive effect is, my blood sugar is still more stable than before.

Another test with slowly increasing 2 times 3 drops during the day is also still too much, where I'm like an energizer bunny and developing some headaches where again I need to take a iodine break because my muscles start to ache again and I'm freezing.

Generally 2 times 2 drops of 12% lugols seem to be the best way for 3-4 days and once I feel a bit of discomfort I need to take a (regularly) iodine break again, since I need to work and that I can do my daily job.

fwiw (and perhaps Gaby can add her input) it may be worth going slower/lower on the Lugols. That is, taking more time to build up to a larger dose.

Something else that will help out is boron:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14608076

Dietary boron decreases peak pancreatic in situ insulin release in chicks and plasma insulin concentrations in rats regardless of vitamin D or magnesium status.
Bakken NA1, Hunt CD.
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Because dietary boron deprivation induces hyperinsulinemia in vitamin D-deprived rats, the influence of dietary boron on insulin metabolism as modified by nutritional stressors was examined in two animal models. Male weanling Sprague-Dawley rats were assigned to each of four (Experiment 1) or 8 (Experiment 2) dietary groups for 35 d: the basal diet (< 0.2 mg B; <1.0 mg Mg/kg) was supplemented with boron (as orthoboric acid) to contain <0.2 or 2.0 (a physiologic amount) mg B/kg; with magnesium (as magnesium acetate), at 100 (inadequate) or 360-400 (adequate) mg/kg; and with cholecalciferol [vitamin D-3; 25 microg/kg for study length (Experiment 2), or, depleted for 16-17 d then repleted until end of experiment (Experiments 1 and 2)]. In the rat model, boron reduced plasma insulin (Experiment 1, P < 0.002; Experiment 2, P < 0.03), but did not change glucose concentrations regardless of vitamin D-3 or magnesium status. Cockerels (1 d old) were fed a ground corn, high protein casein and corn oil-based basal diet (low boron; 0.3 mg B/kg) supplemented with boron as orthoboric acid to contain 0.3 or 1.65 mg/kg (a physiologic amount) and vitamin D-3 at 3.13 (inadequate) or 15.60 (adequate) microg/kg. In the chick model, boron decreased (P < 0.045) in situ peak pancreatic insulin release at 26-37 d of age regardless of vitamin D-3 nutriture. These results suggest that physiologic amounts of boron may help reduce the amount of insulin required to maintain plasma glucose.

From what I've read it also protects the insulin producing cells in the pancreas.
It also protects against vitamin D deficiency, and is a key component needed for the parathyroid to function correctly.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parathyroid_gland

The major function of the parathyroid glands is to maintain the body's calcium and phosphate levels within a very narrow range, so that the nervous and muscular systems can function properly. The parathyroid glands do this by secreting parathyroid hormone.[12]

Parathyroid hormone (PTH, also known as parathormone) is a small protein that takes part in the control of calcium and phosphate homeostasis, as well as bone physiology. Parathyroid hormone has effects antagonistic to those of calcitonin.[13]

Calcium. PTH increases blood calcium levels by stimulating osteoclasts to break down bone and release calcium. PTH also increases gastrointestinal calcium absorption by activating vitamin D, and promotes calcium conservation (reabsorption) by the kidneys.[13]

Phosphate. PTH is the major regulator of serum phosphate concentrations via actions on the kidney. It is an inhibitor of proximal tubular reabsorption of phosphorus. Through activation of vitamin D the absorption of Phosphate is increased.[13]

Trace minerals with boron may be something to consider (but again, going slowly):

http://drcarolyndean.com/2014/07/your-thyroid-needs-9-minerals/

Iodine: T3 has 3 iodine molecules; T4 has 4. So it’s safe to say that the thyroid can’t function without iodine. T4 or (thyroxine) is 68 percent iodine by weight, and T3 (triiodothyronine) is 58 percent.
Selenium: A necessary cofactor in the production of thyroxine (T4), It also converts T4 to the more active form, T3. A total 11 selenium-dependent enzymes have been identified as necessary for thyroid function and thyroid hormone production. If you take iodine without selenium, you can cause selenium deficiency. If you take selenium without iodine, you can cause iodine deficiency.
Zinc: Required for the synthesis of thyroid hormones. Zinc deficiency can result in hypothyroidism. Thyroid hormones are essential for the absorption of zinc. The hair loss attributed to hypothyroidism may not improve with thyroid hormone replacement unless zinc supplements are added.
Molybdenum: Molybdenum-dependent enzymes function in the oxidative system of thyrocytes (thyroid epithelial cells). They also play an important role in T3 (thyroglobulin) release from the thyroid gland.
Boron: Helps the conversion of the storage form of thyroid hormone, T4, to T3, the active form.
Copper: Plays an important role in the metabolism of the amino acid tyrosine, which is a precursor to T4 (thyroxine).
Chromium: Enhances insulin activity playing a major role in the regulation of insulin release and its effects on carbohydrate, protein and lipid metabolism. Conversion of T4 to T3 is influenced by insulin, so in a roundabout way, chromium helps this conversion.
Manganese: Required to transport the hormone thyroxine into our cells.
Magnesium: Calcium and magnesium must be balanced in the body to ensure proper thyroid function. If there is too much calcium, thyroid hormones can become diminished. Magnesium is the regulator of calcium absorption and utilization.

fwiw