Iodine and Potassium Iodide

[Kay Kim]

Selenium
The highest concentrations of selenium in the human body are in the liver, kidneys, and thyroid gland.

Within the thyroid gland, selenium is essential for the production of thyroid hormone, cells thyroid gland called thyrocytes produce a protein called thyroglobulin.
It is thyroglobulin's job to connect iodine and throsine to form basic thyroid hormone.
As it turns out tremendous amounts of free radicals are generated during this process in the form of hydrogen peroxide(H202).
If these free radicals are not deactivated, then damage to the thyroid gland occurs and the efficiency of the needed production of thyroid hormone is disrupted.
To deal with this problem, your thyrocytes make an antioxidant enzyme called glutathione peroxidase, which requires selenium, glutathione peroxidase deactivates H202 rendering it harmless.

Selenium purifier for our organ systems. It protects us against the presence of unhealthy metals in the body.

Protect the thyroid tissues whenever it is affected by stress- this happens almost constantly.
Boost immunity.
Improves blood flow.
Increase longevity.
Helps reduce Asthma Symptoms.
Can help boost fertility.

Brazil Nuts Side Effects

Brazil nuts have such a concentrated amount of Selenium that intake should be limited to 3 nuts a day.

Selenium expert professor Christine Thompson says,

"People should be careful to limit themselves to no more than a few Brazil nuts a day, otherwise selenium could potentially accumulate to toxic levels in body tissues.
Also as the nuts can contain relatively high amounts of the elements barium(metal) and thorium(radioactive metal)"

 

[Z...]

I finally got my Iodine after very long wait - I originally ordered 15% solution but funnily enough despite all the packaging precautions the bottle was destroyed and I had no other option but to take 1% solution that they had in stock locally and this might be a good thing considering Dr. Haskell video. Although it looks like this video makes good and safe advert for his product I think there is a lot of merit in what he is saying, especially considering few people here already reported increased resting heart rate. This is something not to be taken lightly.

Since we discovered that one dose doesn't fit all I think it makes a lot of sense to take 3 mg/day as a safe and beneficial starting dose for people who are generally healthy and I am going to stick to this.

I am not sure though, if I should be taking selenium -at least the one I got. Few days ago I took only 1 tablet of 50mcg and it made me feel jittery and slightly disrupted my energies.
I didn't even bother to check the label taking for granted that it will contain elemental selenium only but when I checked the label it says: Bulking agents, Brewer's Yeast, Selenium Yeast?! - I would imagine they grow yeast on selenium substrate. I am pretty sure this is not a good way to supplement selenium :(

 

[RedFox]

I am not sure though, if I should be taking selenium -at least the one I got. Few days ago I took only 1 tablet of 50mcg and it made me feel jittery and slightly disrupted my energies.
I didn't even bother to check the label taking for granted that it will contain elemental selenium only but when I checked the label it says: Bulking agents, Brewer's Yeast, Selenium Yeast?! - I would imagine they grow yeast on selenium substrate. I am pretty sure this is not a good way to supplement selenium :(

I just remembered something rather important from a few years ago about selenium supplements. It may not apply now, but back then some selenium supplements where listed as containing gluten.
So everyone should check this.

Selenium yeast doesn't sound good, perhaps (being yeast) it has MSG which made you jittery?

Selenium is important, so see if you can find another brand.

 

[Tristan]

I purchased the lugol Dr Clark's formula. The label reads 5 mg per drop.
Today I started the entire protocol with all such supplements. I put 3 drops. Everything seems ok, this morning I felt more awake than usual.
Tomorrow I plan to go up to 4 drops (20mg)
I am also taking boron because of my musculoskeletal problems.

Tristan, PLEASE READ THE WHOLE THREAD UP TO DATE!!!

Ups...

People, just keep in mind that too much enthusiastic use of iodine might lead to a bad experience, so take it easy. Some of you/us may have a heavy load of metals or fluorides or bromides to unload and that can mandate a pulsing method: five days on, two days off while drinking salt water and taking cofactors to detox, including plenty of Vitamin C. As the Cs mentioned, it can take months or years for some people to sort themselves out.

Ok, I'll read the whole thread and will consider what you said.

 

[T.C.]

So it seems that too much iodide is the problem, not iodine.

Again, everyone's different and testing is obviously huge. I've tried the muscle testing on myself but I don't get any different responses to 'yes' or 'no' or 'my name is 'T.C.', my name is 'John', so self testing seems pointless for me right now.

The thing about the video for me is that he cites just two cases where supplementation caused problems, and then pushes a product. Stage one, he attracts the attention of anyone looking into iodine/ide therapy. Stage two, he scares them. Stage three, offers a solution.

Again, I'm not devaluing the information presented, but I think Dr. Brownstein has more knowledge of the effects, use etc., of iodine/ide than anyone and seems genuinely working to help people - so if 3mg per day was ideal, I think Dr. Brownstein would have figured that out by now.

 

[Persej]

The thing about the video for me is that he cites just two cases where supplementation caused problems, and then pushes a product. Stage one, he attracts the attention of anyone looking into iodine/ide therapy. Stage two, he scares them. Stage three, offers a solution.

Could be.

Again, I'm not devaluing the information presented, but I think Dr. Brownstein has more knowledge of the effects, use etc., of iodine/ide than anyone and seems genuinely working to help people - so if 3mg per day was ideal, I think Dr. Brownstein would have figured that out by now.

He does seem to have a lot of knowledge about iodine, however, as Laura and Pashalis noticed:

It is interesting to notice how many of you are having what are plainly bromine/fluorine/chlorine detox symptoms at fairly low doses.

It is very interesting. Brownstein talks about only 5% of the people he treated had detox symptoms and apparently he dosed many of them quite high from the beginning (12 - 50 mg or higher).

I also started it with a pretty low dose and low and behold, had rather strong detox symptoms right away at the first day. They are getting better now at the third day, I'm still at a fairly low dose but there is definitely somekind of detox still going on. I'll compile a more detailed list/summary about my experience so far, the next couple of days.

It indeed seems like the people here are WAY over that 5% mark in Brownsteins book. Why? What is different with us?

Well, one thing that is different with us is that we are taking Lugol's and Dr. Brownstein was givin an Iodoral pills to his patients. Maybe there is a difference between those two things? Maybe liquid Lugol's is more potent than pills.

 

[987baz]

My lugols finally came in the post today, which was good timing as I had my usual appointment with my kinesiologist. I have this one _http://plantessentials.com.au/products/lugol-s-iodine-50ml-lugols which says it's 6mg per drop. (Still not sure how they work that out as the bottle says potassium iodide 5ml/50ml, Iodine 2.5ml/50ml?)

My testing with the kinesiologist says i need 18 drops a day for the next four weeks, quite the high dosage. I won't be starting that high for absolutely sure. But it was interesting to note that there was a time factor. I didn't actually know that with the musle testing you could also get the length of time that dosage is needed before you retest.

I think I will start with one drop a day and gradually build up. I took the cofactors I had with me and the result basically said 1 teaspoon of NAC, 2 teaspoons of Glycine and 1000mg of B3. Unfortunately I did't have any selenium yet so couldn't test it.

I started taking the salt water about a week ago already, and I take D3, Magnesium, Vit C and Zinc already.

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for all the information, it's a fascinating thread.

 

[Solie123]

The thing about the video for me is that he cites just two cases where supplementation caused problems, and then pushes a product. Stage one, he attracts the attention of anyone looking into iodine/ide therapy. Stage two, he scares them. Stage three, offers a solution.

The thing is, he isn't just throwing a product in your face, in my opinion, because he does give you a recommended way of supplementing prior to suggesting his product. I do think however, that he seems to be advocating the one-size-fits all (with his product) approach which (we have already seen here) isn't the case. But, what we can take from his video is, there is a potentially high risk if we're not careful.

 

[lainey]

So it seems that too much iodide is the problem, not iodine.

Again, everyone's different and testing is obviously huge. I've tried the muscle testing on myself but I don't get any different responses to 'yes' or 'no' or 'my name is 'T.C.', my name is 'John', so self testing seems pointless for me right now.

The thing about the video for me is that he cites just two cases where supplementation caused problems, and then pushes a product. Stage one, he attracts the attention of anyone looking into iodine/ide therapy. Stage two, he scares them. Stage three, offers a solution.

Again, I'm not devaluing the information presented, but I think Dr. Brownstein has more knowledge of the effects, use etc., of iodine/ide than anyone and seems genuinely working to help people - so if 3mg per day was ideal, I think Dr. Brownstein would have figured that out by now.

I tried the standing sway test on myself but I would have to agree that it is unreliable. If I knew what was in my hand I was just getting positive results for what I already thought I should be doing and if I was mixing it up the bottles and doing it blind I was getting different results so I would certainly advise to do it with someone else and do a blind test, more than once with perhaps different techniques. (i.e. pushing down the arm/separating the fingers/standing sway) to see what results you get.

 

[Turgon]

The thing about the video for me is that he cites just two cases where supplementation caused problems, and then pushes a product. Stage one, he attracts the attention of anyone looking into iodine/ide therapy. Stage two, he scares them. Stage three, offers a solution.

The thing is, he isn't just throwing a product in your face, in my opinion, because he does give you a recommended way of supplementing prior to suggesting his product. I do think however, that he seems to be advocating the one-size-fits all (with his product) approach which (we have already seen here) isn't the case. But, what we can take from his video is, there is a potentially high risk if we're not careful.

I agree about that. I dont think the video by Dr. Haskell was entirely a sales job but he could have also seen a need to create the product based on his clinical observations. I had serious detox reactions similar to what Redfox posted about but with a crushing depression that lasted almost the entire time. I also thought that I was showing a lot of signs of hyperthyroidism more than anything. This continued even after I dropped down to 2 drops and worked my way up to 5 (I started off at 10 - which is NOT being careful, although there are some people who can take 10 or more and are fine with it). The only time it would dissipate was when I stopped taking iodine for 3 days straight.

So one size definitely doesn't fit all and I've decided to take a few weeks off of iodine, although continue with the salt water and vitamin C to help detox any of the halides and metals that may have been displaced, and see if I can get in touch with a thyroid specialist to rule out a nodule. But I have had a dull ache in my throat for almost 2 weeks now and should have started off slow as was suggested. There are some things you can't muscle through and with the addition of so many new elements into the body; the iodine, cofactors, etc. it really is important to pay attention and be careful, which is something I'm going to do from now on.

 

[Solie123]

So one size definitely doesn't fit all and I've decided to take a few weeks off of iodine, although continue with the salt water and vitamin C to help detox any of the halides and metals that may have been displaced, and see if I can get in touch with a thyroid specialist to rule out a nodule. But I have had a dull ache in my throat for almost 2 weeks now and should have started off slow as was suggested. There are some things you can't muscle through and with the addition of so many new elements into the body; the iodine, cofactors, etc. it really is important to pay attention and be careful, which is something I'm going to do from now on.

Ahh! :O I hope it's not nodules! It could be indicative of Hashimoto’s if it was caused by the lugol's! Have you tried the swallowing test to check for any lumps or deformities? I'm concerned... Please keep us posted on that. YIKES!

 

[Anthony]

So far since I started taking lugol, I've had zero detox reactions, no noticeable benefits and I've take up to 46.7mg. Same thing with the cofactors, on the surface of it I don't see any change whether I take them or not. I do not have any medical conditions but I did have a problem with kidney stones over a month ago. I'm not sure what dosage I should be taking at the moment, since I don't see any change with lower or a higher dose. If anyone has any advice, it would be very much appreciated.

 

[Solie123]

I guess another thing that should be added is, be extremely careful when it comes to your thyroid, it stores and produces hormones that affect the function of virtually every organ in the bodies. Hypothyroidism is caused by blocking thyroid hormone production which can lead to Thyrotoxicosis which can be caused by TOO much Iodine.

Some symptoms include rapid heart rate, insomnia, fatigue and irritability. So for those who have posted with these symptoms should probably stop the protocol until everything normalized.

 

[Turgon]

So one size definitely doesn't fit all and I've decided to take a few weeks off of iodine, although continue with the salt water and vitamin C to help detox any of the halides and metals that may have been displaced, and see if I can get in touch with a thyroid specialist to rule out a nodule. But I have had a dull ache in my throat for almost 2 weeks now and should have started off slow as was suggested. There are some things you can't muscle through and with the addition of so many new elements into the body; the iodine, cofactors, etc. it really is important to pay attention and be careful, which is something I'm going to do from now on.

Ahh! :O I hope it's not nodules! It could be indicative of Hashimoto’s if it was caused by the lugol's! Have you tried the swallowing test to check for any lumps or deformities? I'm concerned... Please keep us posted on that. YIKES!

Thanks for the concern Solie! There are no lumps or deformities that I can detect. I just tried the swallowing test and everything looks A OK.

 

[Carl]

I tried the muscle testing with Lilyalic earlier and we found some interesting results that confirm that yes, everyone is different.

I tested strong for ~12mg/day lugols', 200mg selenium, 1000mg B3 and 6mg boron.
Tested very negatively for zinc, and strong for ~400mg magnesium but no higher. Vitamin C only 1/4 teaspoon twice a day

She got 35-40mg per day lugol's, 800+mg of magnesium, very positive for zinc, selenium and boron.

It's really good! We tested other things, all kinds of food, other supplements. Also tried single-blind tests which confirmed the results we got with our initial open experimentation. Apparently tangerines can be quite evil, but lemons can make your body quite happy. Butter is A-Okay. A tin of sardines gives a VERY strong positive reaction, and a loaf of bread will make your arm turn into a wet noodle.

Will be interesting to follow up on these results for the next few weeks and see if following the arm's guidelines helps out.

Also I forgot to test straight potassium iodide - I have a feeling that it might be more effective for some people, men in particular.