Laura said:
[...] I find it more helpful to try to find correspondences between empirical observations and "inspired" hints. [...]
Basically, you can't start out with beliefs, you have to set all that aside and try to engage with observations and reports of actual experiences that are not colored by beliefs.
Indeed! Through experiences we have the higher score of learning IMO. :) Yet likely we all know also that as in modern works (like Castaneda, Gurdjieff, etc.) there are as well some valuable experiences transcribed to ancient texts and then coming to be "inspired paths" or beliefs; and so to a certain degree they may be useful to our learning if we
can weed them, as C's use to say. So, moderation likely is the wiser path. So in this spirit, and hopefully under a sober way, this post brings a further mention on the Tibetan mysticism, if is not too much indulgence. :)
AL Today said:
I experienced all the normal behaviour programming but I was inquisitive. April fools day 1976 i died? Almost died? A dream? All I remember was blasting through a grey cloud funnel tunnel lightening fast when a pin point of light lay a head and I went a zooming towards it. And it grew... But... But I said, screamed maybe.?.?.? "I am not done." "I am not done." and I woke up with a little but of attitude about what was to happen. Long story short...
So what was that? I dunno, but something happened.
For that pointed out seems difficult to figure if this above quote is either a dream, a physical experience memory, imagination, or copied from something else. Anyway the following quote may have some clues for that case. In that excerpt the spirit has failed its first opportunities to reach the "Clear light", by then follows its second day in the bardo as seen by the mystic Bardo Thodol. BTW, a mention forgotten in the earlier post for those not familiarized with the gist, "Thodol" is related to "Liberation" from the cycles of reincarnation.
So the below excerpt quotes a particular
grey light that in certain moment appears to the discarnate spirit:
Bardo Thodol - The Tibetan Book of the Dead said:
[The Second Day]
But if, notwithstanding this setting-face-to-face, through power of anger or obscuring karma one should be startled at the glorious light and flee, or be overcome by illusions, despite the prayer, on the Second Day, Vajra-Sattva and his attendant deities, as well as one's evil deeds [meriting] Hell, will come to receive one.
[...]
Be not fond of the dull, smoke-coloured light from Hell. That is the path which openeth out to receive thee because of the power of accumulated evil karma from violent anger. If thou be attracted by it, thou wilt fall into the Hell-Worlds; and, falling therein, thou wilt have to endure unbearable misery, whence there is not certain time of getting out. That being an interruption to obstruct thee on the Path of Liberation, look not at it; and avoid anger. Be not attracted by it; be not weak. Believe in the dazzling bright white light; [...]
So "hell" may be either a place, state, or both in which fits the denoted karma of the spirit. And digressing a little more, "
Vajra-sattva" on a way may be understood as a kind of disposition to enlightenment (Buddhahood?). In Sanskrit "Vajra" is one of the channels in the spine, a diamond, thunderbolt. And "sattva" or "satya" means Truth or Reality. So some sources translate that situation as "Thunderbolt Mind, Diamond Mind, Diamond essence."
In what concerns the entities or deities mentioned in that work, may be interesting to recall a segment of a quote by Carl Jung on the Bardo Thodol:
Collected Works of C.G. Jung - vol 11 said:
The world of gods and spirits is truly “nothing but” the
collective unconscious inside me. To turn this sentence round so that it reads: "The collective unconscious is the world of gods and spirits
outside me," no intellectual acrobatics are needed, but a whole human life, perhaps even many lifetimes of increasing completeness.
There is still a maybe plainer remark that may help to clarify that latter quote. In short, Jung by means of his personal experiences came to conclude that the beings living in his mind and so apparently belonging to the imagination realm, they were nevertheless real. They had existence and will independent of him:
Memories said:
[...] figures of my fantasies brought home to me the crucial insight that there are things in the psyche which I do not produce, but which produce themselves and have their own life. [...] [a supposed fantasy] confronted me in an objective manner, and I understood that there is something in me which can say things that I do not know and do not intend, things which may even be directed against me.