Is WW3 inevitable?

l apprenti de forgeron said:
loreta said:
Now we know the true nature of Hollander. We know why he is there, why he was "chosen". It is scandalous. France in fact is a scandal with their colonial mind, their dreams of colonization. How French reacted with this idea to bombarding Syria? Is there some opposition? Nothing in the news about it. Surely the people don't want war? Or are they all dumb? Shame!

Hollander!, another bug disguised as a human. Became evident with Mali. "The left!, The left!". I think that we all are suffering that psychopaths and pathological not be detected and removed before entering in the world of politics career, military, academic, religious, etc. As for the French, I think they are so asleep (and powerless) as any. Thinking they are special (for better or worse) would fall into the same trap with which their rulers dominate them since hundreds of years ago.

Don't get the French and their representative at a point of time mixed up. This is certainly true for all nations. A poll indicate that 64% is against the war. Which is not so bad regarding the current brain washing. http://fr.sott.net/article/16570-Syrie-64-des-Francais-opposes-a-une-intervention-militaire

About Holland I'm not sure it's a psycho, perhaps he is, but the situation make him certainly appear as a follower with no balls.
 
Ellipse said:
l apprenti de forgeron said:
loreta said:
Now we know the true nature of Hollander. We know why he is there, why he was "chosen". It is scandalous. France in fact is a scandal with their colonial mind, their dreams of colonization. How French reacted with this idea to bombarding Syria? Is there some opposition? Nothing in the news about it. Surely the people don't want war? Or are they all dumb? Shame!

Hollander!, another bug disguised as a human. Became evident with Mali. "The left!, The left!". I think that we all are suffering that psychopaths and pathological not be detected and removed before entering in the world of politics career, military, academic, religious, etc. As for the French, I think they are so asleep (and powerless) as any. Thinking they are special (for better or worse) would fall into the same trap with which their rulers dominate them since hundreds of years ago.

Don't get the French and their representative at a point of time mixed up. This is certainly true for all nations. A poll indicate that 64% is against the war. Which is not so bad regarding the current brain washing. http://fr.sott.net/article/16570-Syrie-64-des-Francais-opposes-a-une-intervention-militaire

About Holland I'm not sure it's a psycho, perhaps he is, but the situation make him certainly appear as a follower with no balls.

Thanks for this. Evidently in the official news nothing about the opposition for the war. Thanks for the link.
 
I had always assumed that this empire building in the Middle East was the final stage in the run up to an invasion of Iran, which in turn would lead to a war with Russia and China. To me, this seemed like a profitable enterprise for the PTB on both sides; overt control of society would be very easy to implement in a state of open war, and the MIC would make untold amounts of profit. Ultimately, the end game would be the official introduction of the One World State as a means to secure peace.

However, it seems like other events might cut this short, like cometary bombardment, although even this could tie in well with the introduction of a One World Government.
 
Explorer said:
I had always assumed that this empire building in the Middle East was the final stage in the run up to an invasion of Iran, which in turn would lead to a war with Russia and China. To me, this seemed like a profitable enterprise for the PTB on both sides; overt control of society would be very easy to implement in a state of open war, and the MIC would make untold amounts of profit. Ultimately, the end game would be the official introduction of the One World State as a means to secure peace.

I don't think "they" want or ever wanted, peace. It is all about controlling the populous, though you are right if by the above you mean that that's how they will present it to us. But they will always need someone to be the "other" against which they will "have to" fight. The whole One World State I think is already in place, and the various wars are part of its plan.

Ernest Becker in Escape from Evil does a great job describing the history of the development of state/religion/economy (the three go hand in hand) and the reasons why. Also the big Why, why we, the populous, have been going along with it.

For our discussion here, there's an apt excerpt in that book that describes all wars:

From the very beginning the ravages of large-scale warfare were partly a function of the new structure of domination called the state; the state was an instrument of oppression that had come into being "artificially" through conquest, and with it began mankind's real woes. The new class society of conquerors and slaves right away had its own internal frictions; what better way to siphon them off than by directing the energies of the masses outward toward an "alien"enemy? The state had its own built-in wisdom; it "solved" its ponderous internal problems of social justice by making justice a matter of triumph over an external enemy. This was the start of the large-scale scapegoating that has consumed such mountains of lives down through history and continues to do so today, right up to Vietnam and Bangladesh[Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, etc, etc]: what better way to forge a nation into unity, to take everyone's eyes off the frightening state of domestic affairs, than by focusing on a heroic foreign cause? Mumford very pointedly summed up the psychology of this new scapegoating of the state:

Hence the sense of joyful release that so often has accompanied the outbreak of war... popular hatred of the ruling classes was cleverly diverted into a happy occasion to mutilate or kill foreign enemies.
In short, the oppressor and the oppressed, instead of fighting it out in the [ancient] city, directed their aggression toward a common goal - an attack on a rival city. Thus the greater the tensions and the harsher the daily repressions of civilization, the more useful war became as a safety valve.

Add next to this the quote that modern wars are needed to disguise celestial intentions, and the picture is clearer.

Not that it will make any difference whatsoever to the global state's plans, but personally, I am glad to see that today, with the internet and information available to us fast, there are a lot of people who are able to join their voices against oppression and war. Sure, they probably don't see everything, but it seems to me that in older times, the situation was even worst. The global marches against war, the letters from soldiers and veterans against war, the No War Against Syria memes I see these days on FB, they give me hope. Not that the PTB will change, but that the populous is/will be fed up and start observing, start taking notes, start speaking up. Little by little at first... I hope....
 
loreta said:
Now we know the true nature of Hollander. We know why he is there, why he was "chosen". It is scandalous. France in fact is a scandal with their colonial mind, their dreams of colonization. How French reacted with this idea to bombarding Syria? Is there some opposition? Nothing in the news about it. Surely the people don't want war? Or are they all dumb? Shame!

Most French people oppose the madness, and don't trust Hollande, but since when did public opinion really matter to the 'elite'.

"The BVA poll released by Le Parisien-Aujourd'hui en France, showed 64 percent of respondents opposed military action, 58 percent did not trust Hollande to conduct it, and 35 percent feared it could "set the entire region (Middle East) ablaze"."

To them, 'public opinion' is to be molded to their agenda, not taken as the objective will of the people and acted upon.

Let's not forget this:

In an October 17, 2004, New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, he quoted an unnamed aide to George W. Bush (later attributed to Karl Rove):

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."
 
Perceval said:
An October 17, 2004, New York Times Magazine article by writer Ron Suskind, he quoted an unnamed aide to George W. Bush (later attributed to Karl Rove:

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." ... "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

That reminds me very much 1984. It is a very scary quote.
 
Here's a link which gathers a bunch of quotes by seers and prophets about their visions of wwIII..
_http://www.jrnyquist.com/may14/new_page_2.htm
I hope we've entered another timeline!
 
Inquorate said:
Here's a link which gathers a bunch of quotes by seers and prophets about their visions of wwIII..
_http://www.jrnyquist.com/may14/new_page_2.htm
I hope we've entered another timeline!

The most interesting (and likely) one seems to be from 'The Sybille of Prague' (?-1658)

The slow and muddy tides of the Moldau roll as a terrible hurricane roars across the country, across the city. Yellow-grey dust and heavy, poisonous clouds take the breath from humans and cattle. The Hradschin is set on fire, in the city the walls burst. Everywhere fire rages. The earth trembles, vibrated by the mighty quake. Deep gaps do open, devouring the dead and the living. The graves open as ransacked by spirit hands, and the skeletons smile with cruel laughter. Everything sinks in the unfathomably black depth.

"From Vyschrad a tremendous fireball comes along, rocks fly through the air and all around blazes a sea of fire. Everything that mankind's diligence has created lies in debris and ash. One can only hear the roar of the storm. Life has gone out. I only see rubble and corpses. Slowly the clouds disappear where once the proud cathedral dome had been. I see a bloody-red fireball. It is over! Prague, your fate has been fulfilled! Where are your houses, proud city? Why do gloomy tides flood the coasts of a deserted heath? Horrible worms eat body and spirit with frightening effect. Weeds and ruins and a poisonous cloud characterizes the countryside. Is this the harvest of the human seed?"
 
From Stormcloudgathering (SCG), posted Aug 28th

Are The Leaked Britam Defence Emails Fake?

_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R7knc-G360

From SOTT, posted Aug 28th

_http://www.sott.net/article/265666-Syria-Chemical-Weapons-and-the-Britam-Defence-emails

One email had "Syrian Issue" in the subject field and the other has "Iranian Issue" in the subject field. Both emails appeared to be from David Goulding, the actual business development manager of Britam Defence, and appeared to have been sent to Phillip Doughty, the actual founder of Britam. Many alternative news web sites have used these emails as evidence that the recent alleged 'chemical weapon' attack in Syria was the work of the Western-backed Syrian rebels rather than the Syrian military. The problem however is that the emails appear to be have been faked.

Interesting coincidence on the dates there but does anyone know why they were faked? From the video, it appears all other emails were genuine apart from these 2 particular emails.

All I will say about these emails is that given the technical wizardry of today, they could have been hacked or could be real and made to appear like the were hacked. Carter-Ruck appears to be in the habit of defending entities that are guilty and making them come out the other end squeaky clean. But for now, as the narrator in the video said, the onus of proof is no longer on Britam so for that reason, we have to conclude they are most likely fakes unless one can figure out what sort of wizardry went into making them appear as such.

What amazes me is the 'coincidence' above. The below has a date stamp of 26th June 2013

_http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/daily-mail-%C2%A3110k-libel-payout-over-syrian-chemical-weapons-story

Yet both stories broke on SOTT and SCG on 28th Aug.

If you do a search on google for "Britam email leak fake" from the first few pages, you see date stamps that only go back as far as 28th Aug. Yet the daily mail thing is on the 26th June. Did no one catch that at the time? What happened over the last couple of days for everyone to come out with the story that it is fake??

Clicking on most of the top links on google on this issue, they all roll back to SCG.

Anyways,

Further google searches reveal interesting details as to the forgery of the Britam Emails

_http://syriancommando.wordpress.com/2013/01/29/britam-trap/

Date stamp 29/01/2013.. Clearly some bright tomatoes out there who caught on quick:

c) Why now?

If you can entertain for a minute that this hack was indeed well-planned and not accidental as the hacker claimed, you would ask then, why would they release it now? If it was unplanned, they would have no reason to delay its release. In fact, there is a very good reason:

The Syrian Electronic Army (SEA) has recently released a large amount of emails directly from Qatar’s email servers. Earlier the SEA hacked into the Saudi defense ministry’s servers and was able to completely transfer the database and access the content management system. The leaks so far are damning and have been confirmed by the Al Akhbar Lebanese newspaper as being “genuine”. The media, has mostly ignored this massive leak, including alternate media, who would normally be swarming around any mention of a “leak”… Instead, some very odd things have been happening.

Suddenly, a few days after the announcement and release of the hack, Anonymous has decided to launch a “warhead” campaign, complete with a slick media campaign and loud promises… a clear attempt to OVERSHADOW the massive and real SEA leaks. This “chemical weapon” loud horn is sounded by the leak, gathering much more attention than minutes between gulf leaders (puppet Arabs of America). Putting these together, we can ask one final and simple question.

d) What is the purpose of this leak?

Why the leak, with a single email? Why now? Why only one email? It’s clear. A single email is very easy to dismiss as fake. In fact, during the Stratfor hack, anonymouSabu’s henchmen planted an email by CEO George Friedman claiming he had resigned, when in fact he had done no such thing. When you control a server you are able to fabricate any kind of email you want to “leak”. Only a long conversation with realistic time stamps follow ups and reference emails to check for the writer’s style, can possibly be used to confirm the authenticity of an email.

And BritAm has been silent!

Which means that this leak can be quickly dismissed as nothing more than a fabrication. The hack will of course be acknowledged as in the case of Stratfor. Who will you believe, BritAm or the hacker?

That’s the problem. Soon, by undermining the validity of the leak in the minds of the media consumers, it will by extension, undermine the validity of the SEA leaks even though the latter is comprehensive and includes signed, scanned documents and a huge amount of cross references. That won’t matter, a single “fake” can spoil all the real leaks.

But not this time! By anticipating this strategy and demanding a complete archive from “JAsIrX” before discussing the leak any further, we can burn this possible Trojan horse before it enters our gates.

Below is another source that appeared to have smelled the trojan horse early but cited back to the syriancommando:

_http://my.firedoglake.com/ctuttle/2013/01/29/mena-mashup-benghazi-the-britam-hack-the-fordow-hoax-and-syria/

Interesting discussion here, it's amazing after-the-fact, the guy that called it being accused as a nutjob at the time but now, was he right or was he right?

_http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?10612-Britam-leak

February 7 2013 said:
That syrian commando blog is a fucking nutjob paradise. He is now claiming its "obvious" that it was a fake DESIGNED to be caught as a fake in order to sheild the REAL false-flag chemical attacks.

The below is the same analysis used by SCG only difference, this was dated 29th Jan 2013. Same date as the Syrian commando.

_http://apxwn.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/britam-fakes.html#.UiNRjtLFnTo

[Google Translate]

A search for the key words "Iran" and / or "Syria" in all files - no results. Except for the two emails.

These e-mails are up on the body and an obvious manipulation of the date, completely identical:
[...]

The only difference is just the date (October 16/24 December). The time is exactly equal to the second.

The process ID of the e-mail program (Qmail) is identical in both emails (18137). The chance that this match pid of broadcast at various times emails, is vanishingly small. So one or both emails are fakes.

Conclusion: the files and documents may be genuine, but all belong to the work of britam in Iraq. To note, a few of them in new folder - and "Iran" "Syria!" - Set and two fake e-mail files. Plump and made awkward but has its effect in an environment that also worked on HAARP and chemtrails.

Further interesting discussion here from back in January: (It's interesting to read after the fact)

_http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1242490

Poster: Well, if this message is fake, they've done a huge amount of work to make it look genuine, especially since Britam is an actual PMC, and that D Goulding is a director there with a 4 year registered LinkedIn account.

Poster: I heavily doubt this. Opsec is hammered into everyone's head in the intelligence and defense community and no one is stupid enough to discuss sensitive details over email, even if it is believed to be secure email.
Especially not in detail that this guy goes into. I mean c'mon in those few sentences he divulges like 10 pieces of highly sensitive information without a care in the world.
I'm guessing its either a hoax, or a really good find and the writer of the original email is just brain-dead.

"way too good to be true"

It's amazing, the guy who smelled the rat found himself 'isolated'. Its amazing to see it after the fact and how 'truth' when it initially shows itself off, in a weak way as 'at the time, the guy didn't have the facts' but just used his other knowledge, gets trampled on, by the facts that are in everyone's face i.e. the emails which appear to be genuine apart from the 2 trojan horses, and so the 'real truth'gets sidelined for the 'fake truth'. How are people meant to know this, before-the-fact? Guys we are fighting a losing battle.

My conclusion, the Britam leak is a PERFECT example of lies being mixed with truths. It makes it so much easier to believe the lies and be carried by manipulation. Now I don't know what sort of manipulation was to be had but whatever it was, it appears to have worked as I think we caught onto it to late i.e. the cycle played itself out the way it was intended to. Whatever that was... The truth went underneath the radar and was only noticed by so few at the time whose voice didn't travel far enough.

I don't know where the Aug 28th info came from nor the January 29th info but Jan 29th precedes Aug 28th by a long way. Maybe someone else caught onto it way sooner but haven't been able to locate that. What we can be sure of, is the SEA leak whatever it was, flew by unnoticed as today is the first day I have heard of it.

A search on SOTT for syrian electronic army brings up only 1 hit from 24th Feb 2012 ,

_http://www.sott.net/article/242140-Al-Jazeera-Doxed-Leaked-emails-reveals-Free-Syrian-Army-as-branch-of-Al-Qaeda

Searching for SEA leaks obviously brings up a lot to do with the oceans. :)

Final note, on syriancommando's blog, his last entry is on 29/01/2013 with an update to his previous entry, I don't know if this is recent or not. Anyways, it is interesting

The date is different, as one would expect but the TIME is exactly the same. This means that one or both of these emails has been edited from the email database. The forgery is clear, it’s time to burn this Trojan horse. Whoever made this leak purposely left this sign of fraud behind, in order to later point it out and use it as a platform to attack ALL leaks unfavourable to the US and to try and claim that a chemical weapon attack cannot possibly be a false flag.

Nice try.

UPDATE 1: Note that in both emails the date is modified throughout, but the time is left intact. Such attention to detail implies its not just a fraud, but a deliberate fraud. This turns the magic on the magician: why create this two level false flag when there is no intention to carry out a chemical weapon false flag? This highly sophisticated cyber warfare operation should indicate the stakes at play: what is the prize behind the sacrifice of a mercenary organisation like BritAm?

Games are being played.
 
According to one of the blogs I cited in my previous post, apparently, the US might try and paint the Assad regime as disintegrating from the inside i.e. Assad's brother carried out the chemical attacks.

_http://apxwn.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/im-auge-des-sturms.html#.UiNkKtLFnTo

In Israel, you not only have known for at least 4 or 5 days that it has been the Syrian army, which chemical warfare agents has been used, but even knows the place, were fired from where the rockets (western slope of Mount Kassiun) and by whom ( Syrian Army 155th Brigade of the 4th Division). Of course, the names of the commanders of the units, which supplied the chemical weapons at the firing positions and the names of those who eventually ran the command.

Even then, however, this is already speculated that it was probably not Bashar, but his evil brother Maher have been, had the initiative in the matter. This configuration is reminiscent of Libya, where they painted a picture of a brutal unpredictable Khamis Gaddafi, the "dictator" has no more control. In other words, it raises the image of a loss of control in the Syrian government to the wall.

_http://www.debka.com/article/23218/ (I believe this is an israeli source cited above)

In the space of 48 hours, the Assad regime, Iran and Hizballah launched a three-point offensive against foreign intervention, DEBKAfile reports. Here are some facts: The sarin nerve gas atrocity of Wednesday, Aug. 21, alleged to have claimed more than 1,000 lives, was the work of the 155th Brigade of the Syrian army’s 4th Division, headed by President Bashar Asad’s younger brother Gen. Maher Assad.

Look at this also

_http://www.debka.com/article/23206/

DEBKAfile reports exclusively that Assad is acting to counter the first organized incursion of US-trained Syrian rebels from Jordan into southern Syria. The first group of 250 rebels, trained in special operations tactics by US and Jordanian instructors, entered Syria Saturday, Aug. 17, armed with weapons of Russian provenance supplied by the US and Saudi Arabia.
They are fighting under US and Jordanian commanders based in the Hashemite Kingdom.
A second group of 300 fighters crossed into Syria from Jordan Monday.
They are linking up with local rebel groups chosen from amongst those with no ties with the jihadist Jabhat al-Nusra (Al Qaeda in Syria).
According to our military sources, the rebel units are advancing at speed along the Syrian-Israeli border. They have forced the Syrian brigades posted there into retreating from positions inside a strip of 1-25 kilometers from the border, and captured the villages of Raihaniya, Breiqa and Beer Ajam.
This tactic has moved the Syrian army back from the area opposite the Israeli Golan, and started marking out a buffer zone between Israeli and Syrian forces in the Horan province.
DEBKA’s military sources report that additional Syrian rebel forces are standing ready in Jordan to cross into Syria. The incoming forces will then start extending the nascent buffer zone northward towards Deraa (fountainhead of the Syrian uprising in 2011) and east toward Jabal Druze.
This Jordan-based rebel offensive was launched shortly after Gen. Martin Dempsey, Chairman of the Joint US Chiefs of Staff, visited US forces in Jordan and inaugurated the underground US war room near Amman for commanding the operation in Syria.
Syrian ruler Bashar Assad has more than once declared that if the Syrian capital Damascus came under threat, he would resort to chemical warfare and the entire Middle East including Israel would go up in flames. For now, his army is fighting to keep the rebels from taking control of southern Syria.

The author of the blog acknowledges that Debka is disinfo but says some truths are revealed underneath if one can sort the lies from the truths. All in all, it appears Obama might be getting some real faulty intel. All these secrets and why they can't reveal them might be because they will show the world the sort of proxy war they are waging in Syria. Obviously it is a lie that Assad used chem warfare but for there lie to be fed to the public, they can't elaborate on it for it will reveal what they get up to, so they should expect the public to just believe the lie straight out.

This is also a somewhat interesting read and watch the video in particular

_http://apxwn.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/anna-news-im-c-waffen-freien-dschobar.html#.UiNw99LFnTo

The video shows that what we saw on the news regarding the chem attacks was a fake as the place is not occupied by civilians anymore. According to the video, Assad's forces are defeating the rebels at least in that location, don't know about the rest of the country. Did you get that, it was fake!!!!! Conclusive proof on top of all the other stuff that has been coming out recently. So why catapult it to the world now??

Wow, welcome to murky world of Syria.
 
The author of the blog acknowledges that Debka is disinfo but says some truths are revealed underneath if one can sort the lies from the truths.

Yeah, but he is not real trying to elaborate (and back it up) which is which so many people probably get an idea Assad used chemical weapons. Last time I heard it rebels were getting pushed out not advancing so it is logical to conclude why there was a false flag "attack"(if there was any at all).

All in all, it appears Obama might be getting some real faulty intel.

Right, he is in reality good old fella that is only being used and has no bit of a clue how it works.

All these secrets and why they can't reveal them might be because they will show the world the sort of proxy war they are waging in Syria.Obviously it is a lie that Assad used chem warfare but for there lie to be fed to the public, they can't elaborate on it for it will reveal what they get up to, so they should expect the public to just believe the lie straight out.

It is secret because there is no evidence for attack, this last sentence does not really makes sense - how can they elaborate when there is nothing with which to back it up.

So why catapult it to the world now??

If I am not mistaken you are referring to the video? If it is so it is Russian video so it is nothing strange. Not that it will be shown in the west or that it will not be labeled Syrian/Russian propaganda if shown (but very unlikely).
 
Ellipse said:
Don't get the French and their representative at a point of time mixed up. This is certainly true for all nations. A poll indicate that 64% is against the war. Which is not so bad regarding the current brain washing. http://fr.sott.net/article/16570-Syrie-64-des-Francais-opposes-a-une-intervention-militaire

About Holland I'm not sure it's a psycho, perhaps he is, but the situation make him certainly appear as a follower with no balls.

Thanks for the data of the French.
And about Holland (sorry, wrote his name wrong before) may not be a psychopath, though the policies that follow are psychopathic. I have to remember that the PTB have many ways to control and coerce the will of all the people who occupy leadership roles, as suggested in the book Red Symphony. I have to read more about the "secret team".
 
Supposedly there was a disastrous probationary air strike on Syria:

_http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7f4_1377959586

And has anybody heard of some Maleek Obama - US president's half-brother?

And there are rumors that Assad was born on 9/11 :huh:
(just checked - it is correct - talking about numerology :deadhorse:)

:bye:

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I lost count of the number of ship's, the U.S. has stationed near Syria. Now, the U.S.S. Nimitz is heading for the Red Sea.

http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-uss-nimitz-carrier-group-rerouted-possible-help-010255409.html
 
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