Israel attacks Gaza flotilla - Many dead

[Joe]

According to a Turkish TV a list of some activists on board fell from the pocket of an Israeli soldier. Commenters said that this attack could be a planned assassination mission.

here is the video showing that list : http://www.internethaber.com/israil-bu-listeyle-basti-video-galerisi-2081.htm

This news report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Len0v-H5du4&feature=email

states that the head of the Islamic movement in Palestine, was killed. So I think it is very plausible that the Israelis had a "hit list"

 

[thevenusian]

This is one of the rare occasions I have been watching mainstream US news today. A very strong undercurrent of trying to associate the flotilla with terrorists linked to Iran has been the message all day coming from US military and Israeli diplomatic sources.
A good opportunity to watch psychopaths lie with impunity, but makes me wonder what the longer term plan is. Israel may be primed to strike if world opinion seems to be tipping against them.

 

[Joe]

What is becoming clear about this event is that there was likely a group on the ship who had planned to repel any Israeli boarding (which was their right). They had sticks and maybe a flash grenade or two, but the fact that the Israeli soldiers fired live rounds and killed people is clearly a massive crime and Israel needs to be held accountable.

 

[3DStudent]

This is awful. I had been keeping up with this and receiving the updates in email/facebook. I hope this is one of the things the C's said that the powers that be will reveal their hands. But still, as it has been said, Israel would probably do something if it were covered honestly.

 

[hnd]

Transcript 97.01.11

There is a grave aura of danger over
the locator of Israel. Something big, big, big is going to
happen there. We can not say exactly "when", and will not
say exactly what, but it will be decidedly negative!!!!

According to http://www.internethaber.com/teror-saldirisi-israili-de-ikiye-boldu-256943h.htm a newspaper in Israel stated that their war is not about Gaza but it is a war between the liberal west and radical islam and the title of the article is `We Are Fighting For The Future Of The World`. Traditional religions at the root of violence as usual. Some play is in action which may possibly end with the big event mentioned in the transcripts. We still don't know `what` but what has been going on gives clues about the `when` part. As for the `why` part I guess the title of the article says it: there is a fight going on for the future of the world ( for some other reasons ) and we watch it. It horrifies a lot of people, makes many others very sad and fills some others with feelings of hatred and revenge. What a feast for them!

 

[lord jim]

flotilla = distraction???

great discussion, one interesting parallel to mention. the haaretz (israeli paper) is reporting that israel has deployed nuclear-armed submarines to the coast of iran. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/report-israel-to-deploy-nuclear-armed-submarines-off-iran-coast-1.293005

first thing to note: normally israel does not mention anything about its nuclear weapons; it has a sort of ambiguous stance on that. maybe we have some, maybe we don't. of course, we all know they have plenty.

second: they are of german design. "Dolphin, Tekuma, and Leviathan, all German-made Dolphin class submarines of the 7th navy Flotilla, have been reported as frequenting the Gulf in the past, however, according to the Sunday Times report, this new deployment is meant to ensure a permanent naval presence near the Iranian coastline."

thirdly: and this, in my mind, is not substantiated whatsoever yet...however, there are some reports that the torpedo used to destroy the south korean ship was of german design. the north koreans are not known that have done any torpedo business with germany. here's the report from reuters, noting the suspensions of some unnamed south korean official: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6460FC20100507

i don't know what all this means, fully...if it is connected. but if so, wow.

 

[lord jim]

a little snippet from the haaretz report (my emphasis):

The flotilla's commander, identified only as "Colonel O," was quoted by the Times as saying that the submarine force was "an underwater assault force. We’re operating deep and far, very far, from our borders."

i'm just sayin'. ;D

 

[lord jim]

JEEP actually has already mentioned this possible link a couple days ago. take a look at his/her (sorry JEEP) posting at the bottom of the page: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=17916.0

 

[Learner]

I've been following the developments on SOTT. This is very heart breaking. People trying to offer humanitarian aid to the suffering and they get death in return.

I also read about the flotilla in the last days on SOTT. I hoped, their mission would be successful; by reading the really sad and shocking news yesterday morning, I first couldn't believe it, but after I realized it, I cried in front of the monitor having approximately the same thought in my mind: these people just wanted to help those who are caged and suffering in Gaza, and they got shot, were wounded and jailed for attempting it. Just feeling this inner sadness right now while writing this post. My thoughts and especially my heart goes out to the activists and to their families and friends and is with them.

I am also thinking about those many people, who believe the MSM which report pro-israeli. I hope, that probably some more will awaken to the cruelty of the israelian psychopathic potentates. That they start to perceive and trust their feelings inside and start to question the propaganda that spreads a distorted version of what happened (f. ex. I am thinking about the version, that propagates, the activists attacked the soldiers first, with knives and axes, guns etc...). Blaming the victim, that is - to ward off the guilt from themselves. Sign of the psychopaths, indeed. This all just leaves me shaking my head.


EDIT: emoticon

 

[Biomiast]

Turkish FM called UN Security Council for an emergency meeting earlier today.

Turkish FM describes Israeli raid on aid flotilla as "piracy and banditry"

Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu on Monday described an Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound aid flotilla as "piracy and banditry".

Delivering a speech at an emergency session of the UN Security Council called on by Turkey after the raid that killed at least 10 activists, Davutoğlu said Israel "had blood on its hands," adding that the Jewish state had committed "a serious crime, in total disregard of all the values that we have vowed to uphold since the establishment of the United Nations system."

"A nation state that follows this path has lost its legitimacy as a respectful member of the international community," he said.

"Israel's action is a grave breach of international law. In simpler terms, it's tantamount to banditry and piracy. It's murder conducted by a state," Davutoğlu said.

"These boats that left from Turkey and other countries were checked in a strict way under the framework of the rules of international navigation and were only loaded with humanitarian aid," the top Turkish diplomat said.

http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-211754-turkish-fm-describes-israeli-raid-on-aid-flotilla-as-piracy-and-banditry.html

And here is the video of his speech:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MUXxLerFsY

 

[Navigator]

I just want to express my solidarity to the gaza cause and its supporters, and condemnation towards these horrible acts. Disbelief surrounded me while reading, then anger. True psychopaths at work. Are these events the trigger to something bigger?

 

[Vulcan59]

I just want to express my solidarity to the gaza cause and its supporters, and condemnation towards these horrible acts. Disbelief surrounded me while reading, then anger. True psychopaths at work.

I'll second that. Totally and utterly despicable. :(

Are these events the trigger to something bigger?

Wait and see, OSIT.

 

[Devar]

As all this happened while I was sleeping here in Australia, there's not much I can add that isn't already said here, except to say that I was utterly shocked, and like Navigator, then angry. I too cannot help but think there's more to this than it seems, especially since the events occured in International waters. Hmmmm. :(

 

[Biomiast]

As all this happened while I was sleeping here in Australia, there's not much I can add that isn't already said here, except to say that I was utterly shocked, and like Navigator, then angry. I too cannot help but think there's more to this than it seems, especially since the events occured in International waters. Hmmmm. :(

Well, I was reading some columnist in Turkish newspapers and they are saying this is Israel's punishment for Turkey. Now, there are many reasons for that. Firstly, Turkey supports Hamas as elected government of Gaza. Secondly, it wants to establish a unity between Hamas and Al-Fath. Turkey also presses for peace in the region, many times they condemned Israel for their attack on Gaza. Add to that, Turkey's increasing diplomatic power in the region. Forming strong ties with Iran, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine as well as other Arab countries. There is a general opinion in the West that Turkey is leaning toward East with its Islamist government. And Israel feels threathened because of that.

I think the tipping point was when Iran and Brasil signed a treaty with Iran about nuclear enrichment. Practically, Iran gives its enriched uranium to Turkey and receive new uranium instead. This ensures they wouldn't create nuclear weapons. This is a problem for U.S. who wants war with Iran but, most importantly, this is bad news for Israel, because they were using Iran as an excuse for their own nuclear weapons, and now that Iran will make none, what will their excuse be?

Here is a Sott article about U.S. pressing Israel for Nuclear Non-proliferation treaty. It is not so much about U.S. but whole U.N. wants to see that:

http://www.sott.net/articles/show/209599-More-posturing-US-calls-for-Israel-to-sign-nuclear-Non-Proliferation-Treaty

The columnist claim that the reason Israel attacked was getting a strong reaction from Turkey, most especially Islamist groups which are frankly quite open to provocation. This way, they will show the world how Islamists are involved in this issue, how Turkey with its radical Islamist point of view sided with Iran, Palestine etc. According to them, this will ensure casting a doubt on treaty between Iran, Turkey and Brasil. And it will decrease the popularity Turkey gained in the world.

When you consider it overall, it seems a strong possibility, but who knows what those psychopaths think. Maybe they did it "just for fun".

 

[Biomiast]

Recent developments:

Three Turkish people were released and sent back to Turkey. More are coming. Thankfully, a 1.5 year old boy in Mavi Marmara is alive, coming back to Turkey with her mother as well. They were interviewed and said they were the ship behind Mavi Marmara and saw the attack. Before boarding to Mavi Marmara, Israeli forces asked them to leave or they would board. Then when IDF soldiers attacked Mavi Marmara they decided to change their course and go away to avoid further conflict and problems and they set their course towards Tunusia. Despite the fact that they did what Israelis wanted them to do, they were chased and captured. They said the treatment wasn't too harsh, but not warm either. One of the man said when they were taking them into a vehicle, his feet stuck in the door, but the soldier tried to close it anyway. Another one said they had a undermining attitude, they didn't let them ask any questions, silence them in several occasions.

Also a Turkish journalist went to Ashdod harbor to obtain more information about the ships. Amazingly, as he was reporting, Israeli citizens were celebrating the event, waving their flags in front of the camera, as if they were happy that all those people are killed and they are "safe" now. Here is a video of that, but it is in Turkish. You can hear them singing from the beginning, but they wave their flags after 4 minutes.

_http://video.ntvmsnbc.com/ntv-asdodda-1.html



Finally, after 12 hours of meeting UN Security Council reached a decision:

UN Security Council condemns Israeli raid, urges investigation


The United Nations Security Council condemned the violence that resulted in passenger deaths during Israel’s raid on ships carrying aid to the Gaza Strip, and called for an investigation.

The Security Council’s 15 member governments agreed to a statement condemning “acts which resulted” in the deaths and endorsing a “prompt, impartial, credible and transparent investigation conforming to international standards.”

The statement requested the release of the ships and the captured civilians, and called the situation in Gaza “not sustainable.”

The violence occurred after Israel encountered resistance while intercepting the vessels, the Israeli military said. Israel said its forces were attacked with guns, knives and clubs after boarding a ship, and seven soldiers were wounded.

Adoption of the statement followed more than 12 hours of negotiations over a draft submitted by Turkey that initially condemned Israel’s use of force and sought an independent international probe.

The U.S. objected to the explicit condemnation of Israel, which was amended to create unanimity on the council.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=un-council-condemns-israeli-raid-violence-urges-investigation-2010-06-01